I you would like to quote me post the whole message.

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Dear Jagbir,

 

I you would like to quote me post the whole message.

Still I find your message quite hostile, contrary to what the

message of Sahaja Yoga is.

 

Irene

 

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Dear Jagbir,

 

Again I find the reply that you gave about announcing very haunty,

and arrogant. What do you know about what Sahaja Yogi's are doing

and saying and working out. You place yourself in an allknowing

position assuming that you can oversee the whole scope.

 

When people talk about what is going on in the collective it is a

means to see wheither their perception of reality is correct and so

often gets corrected since two see more than one. I have an

unshakable belief in the collective and our individual contribution

to it. So no use separating oneself from it since when one has a

problem with the collective one has to work it out oneself.

 

When you announce Shri Mataji's being~amongst~us one has to be sure

that the receiver will be able to bare it and that sometimes is a

slow process. Otherwise it doesn't mean anything to them and they

just get shocked. Not that it is not good to shock some people

sometimes in order to trigger something. So many Yogi's if not all

have walked the road of announcing and made the mistakes given

above. Above all one has to see what one can do for someone.

 

If you are met with a wall of silence, you might have to take in

account that not everyone has formed an opinion about what you are

suggesting. On the otherhand they might also have walked your way

and know that it didn't work for them. Now what works for you is

well and good.

 

But though has to respect others people's efforts how little and

small they seem to you. To call them chicken is unfair since you

cannot judge anyone untill you have walked in their shoes for three

moons.

 

So far my reply, you didn't reply to my last email, so I guesss you

did agree, since no reply usuallly means an agree. Not allways. But

then it is how you listen to whatever you hear. Do you take it in

with the left vishuddi or the right? Or can you see it as it is

meant; just as something stated as an opinion?

 

So much Knowledge is there within the collective and all seeds will

come to bloom in their own time.

 

One thing is true one cannot force anyone to step in the frontline

if they ar not ready for it. Nor can anyone oversee the whole circle

except our beloved Mother.

 

With love Irene

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shriadishakti , > Irene wrote

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>

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> Again I find the reply that you gave about announcing very haunty,

> and arrogant. What do you know about what Sahaja Yogi's are doing

> and saying and working out. You place yourself in an allknowing

> position assuming that you can oversee the whole scope.

 

I think Auntie Lyndals's excellent post 694 answers most of the

questions raised in your e-mail Irene and my personal opinion is that

what is arrogance and what is haughty is relative from person to

person.

 

So many Yogi's if not all

> have walked the road of announcing and made the mistakes given

> above.

 

Not a single Yogi(including myself) in Malaysia has gone around

announcing for the past 20 years and there are about a thousand of us

if I am not mistaken.

 

 

> If you are met with a wall of silence, you might have to take in

> account that not everyone has formed an opinion about what you are

> suggesting. On the otherhand they might also have walked your way

> and know that it didn't work for them. Now what works for you is

> well and good.

 

I agree with you

 

 

> But though has to respect others people's efforts how little and

> small they seem to you. To call them chicken is unfair since you

> cannot judge anyone untill you have walked in their shoes for three

> moons.

 

Yes we should never pass jugdement on others especially calling our

brothers and sisters chicken.Jagbir should find ways and means how he

can get them to reach his level so that they and we too can be as

brave as he is.

 

> So much Knowledge is there within the collective and all seeds will

> come to bloom in their own time.

 

A lot of people who are passionate about something and one in which

they have dedicated their whole life will tend to get impatient with

others whom they perceive as not doing enough or not doing it the

right way.I personally will not blame either party.

 

 

> One thing is true one cannot force anyone to step in the frontline

> if they ar not ready for it. Nor can anyone oversee the whole

circle

> except our beloved Mother.

 

I doubt Jagbir will ever be able to force me since he is on the other

side of the globe but I do hope with his constant prodding I will

step in the frontline in the near future.

 

>

> With love Irene

 

Jai Shree Mataji

 

Balwinder