Guest guest Posted June 6, 2003 Report Share Posted June 6, 2003 A STATEMENT ON A GLOBAL RELIGION FOR THE THIRD MILLENIUM FIRSTLY: ABOUT THE STATE WE ARE IN 1 GLOBALISATION AND RELIGIOUS FACTIONALISM * Religion like Yoga was meant to bind man and his God. Instead, it often let the demons loose. * The opening of this millennium challenges us all to review the foundations of our civilization. Today, caught between dogmatism and decay, the world religions are in crisis. On one hand, the eagerness of zealots to hate and kill in the name of a God of Love is a paradox that recalls the darker hours of our medieval past. On the other hand, corrupt religions encouraged widespread ethical and moral corrosion. In modern societies, this is expressed in the shallowness of people that have forgotten their God. * The history of mankind is replete with episodes of conflicts, aggressions or repression of our freedom of beliefs, linked to the assertion of religious creeds and dogmas. Despite the spread of modernity through globalization , the contemporary era is no exception. Armies again camp before Jerusalem. Recent wars, from Kosovo to Kashmir and terrorist aggression remind us that such misuse of religion is still alive in the present era of globalization. * Can we bring a global response to religious factionalism and fundamentalism's destructive trends? * Globalization is the driving force of contemporary history. Nevertheless, the importance of the economic dimension of this process occults the deeper aspects of relationships between the people of this earth. Globalization based only on the materialist values of present day modernity can unlash centrifugal forces, resentment, conflicts and wars. Globalization grounded on spiritual values will prepare the unifying field of our togetherness, well being and prosperity. * Squeezed in a global village, the various human tribes must rediscover the common message hidden behind the teachings of the religious instructors of mankind and reach the spiritual core of their humanity. This statement suggests why the genuine path of experimental spirituality must now render justice to the exhortations of Lao Tseu, Moses or Socrates and manifest collectively into a global religion. * The teachings of HH Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, revealing the potential of spontaneous meditation, represent the historical religious breakthrough that fulfills the prediction of world religions such as Hinduism, Taoism, Judaism, Jainism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam or Sikhism. Mankind must now clearly perceive the importance of this guidance in the context of the challenges that threaten peace and prosperity on the international scene. The time has come to give these teachings full exposure. 2 INEQUITY AND SOCIO POLITICAL THREATS * Technology, trade, finance and the liberalized economy seems at times, at odds with the fight against poverty, the wider distribution of wealth and the maintenance of regional cultures. The loss of the inner spiritual path causes the decay of traditional cultures, the egoism of corrupt elite, social alienation, violence and amorality. * Alienation and moral decay, in turn, contribute to a justified movement of rejection of modernity, which unfortunately translates in the return to jingoism and fundamentalism. Henceforth, in a global world, modern amorality and religious fundamentalism are in an opposite yet, mutually reinforcing relationship. * Globalization consists of the interaction between regional cultures that evolved around their respective religious core, information technology, the global economy, the common biosphere. A sharp increase in the rate and level of international transactions in these fields is an easily measurable index of the process of globalization. * At the present time globalization trends are called in question. Increasing discontent in parts of the world community could, in times of recession, roll back the process and leave the global trading system adrift. Concerns about the globalization engine focus on the ethnocentric agenda of the have=s who use the global momentum to perpetuate exploitation relationships with the have not=s, a situation which opens wider socio-economic disparities. * When spirituality declines, compassion and justice vanishes too. The present model of globalization could fail if it cannot be substantially adjusted to address solidarity, equity and ethical issues. In this process exclusively driven by materialist values, wider disparities exist within national societies and at the international level. * To this day, international statecraft and politicians have yet to demonstrate that globalization is equally beneficial to all. Existing international policy instruments are inadequate to hold a critical mass of " Global Equity Equilibrium " . Yet, starting to deal with the future before it reaches crisis level is the only way we will be able to avert real tragedy for our posterity. * At the beginning of the third millennium, natural catastrophes, resources depletions, environmental scarcity as well as widespread poverty are the consequence of our spiritual wasteland. Public security threats, forced refugee flow or extreme instability within vulnerable regions reflect our questionable stewardship of this beautiful planet. * An alternative scenario for evolutionary - as opposed to confrontational- globalization would call on policies to build up compatibility for a benevolent integration of societies. * Indeed globalization present an unique opportunity to identify, in the common heritage of mankind, the seeds of a new found understanding of our togetherness and solidarity. Global challenges call for global responses that must be applicable at the local level. SECONDLY:ABOUT A SPIRITUALITY BOTH GLOBAL AND PRACTICAL 3 SPIRITUALITY AS THE FOUNDATION FOR GLOBAL INTEGRATION * Religion is the living knowledge of our unity with Self, Nature and God. The emptied shell of our dogmas buried it. To overcome the present asphyxia of religions by superstitions, fanaticism or plain indifference, we must return to the inner spring of spirituality, at the heart of all religions. Only access to genuine spirituality will empower us to improve our societies and ourselves. * Spiritual messages had fashioned the diverse ancient cultures of this planet, which are now eroded by religious decline and modernization. The connections between spirituality, common well being and nature have been much neglected and this is an area were progress is badly needed in this era of globalization. These relationships must be investigated in the context of policy fora at the highest level. To balance the conflicting energies of globalization and to reach a new level of collective integration, we must rediscover the path of spiritual behavior both at the individual and at the global level. * An harmonious international integration process cannot be the fruit of economic relations alone. It ought to rest on the common denominator of the fundamental spiritual and ethical values at the core of all the great world civilization. * At the same time, most attempts at achieving spiritual harmony between the faiths has ended in theoretical constructs without clear positive impact on our personal lifestyle or society as a whole. Although well meaning, these interactions could not raise from the mental to the spiritual levels. International statecraft and all men and women of good will must demonstrate that globalization does not become a vehicle for exploitation, and, to this effect, build confidence that a spiritually enlightened globalization is equally beneficial to all. We all would wish to emphasize what binds us together rather than what divides us. Buddha spoke about enlightenment; Christ said we must be born again, Mohammed spoke of the inner Jihad of self purification. Jewish mysticism invites us to feel the Presence or the Shekina. The question is how to do it? THIRDLY: ABOUT THE GIFT OF HER HOLINESS SHRI MATAJI NIRMALA DEVI 4 THE MEANING OF SHRI MATAJI'S MESSAGE * Sustainability of development cannot be reached without reverting to ethics. Ethics cannot be reached without inner spiritual transformation. Inner spiritual transformation cannot be reached without Self-realization. Self-realization cannot be reached without kundalini awakening. What does this mean? * At this juncture we must recognize the transformational spirituality revealed through Sahaja Yoga. Sahaja Self Realization is an actual psychosomatic experience of the awareness of the Spirit, revealed by the awakening of a dormant spiritual energy, the Kundalini, which rises within the spine to cross the limbic area of the brain. This is the genuine meaning of baptism. * The experience is felt on the central nervous system. It does not boil down to yet another theological discourse. Consequences of this initiation unfold in a most concrete manner through improved health, enhanced cognitive capacities, emotional balance and spiritual insights. * The benevolent message of HH Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has already transformed the life of a significant numbers of people in over 65 nations including in the United States. This call is made effective by the unique capacity of Sahaja Yoga to develop, at the experimental level, a new area of development for spiritual consciousness. The new level of satisfaction and fulfillment now accessible to man is no longer predominantly depending on material ownership. * The objective of this spiritual revival is to achieve greater awareness for the individual and enhanced well being for the society through the establishment of a post materialist code of ethics. The New World shall be guided by the operating power of Love expressing itself in such principles as self-improvement, mutual respect, equity, compassion, justice and tolerance. * Revolutionary thinkers of the past endeavored to change society without changing the individual. Mostly, they did not succeed. The neglect of the connections between Self, spirituality, nature and collective well being unleashed the destructive trends of globalization in modern history. Now are the time to become our true self and to counter negative forces through a global religion manifesting wisdom, love, justice and spiritual transformation. * The spiritual capacity of Sahaja Yoga to empower individuals of all races and creeds makes this call uniquely effective! Rather than a revolution, the new consciousness represents a thorough but peaceful and benevolent evolutionary breakthrough. * This holistic form of meditation, as taught by HH Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, manifests the potential to reactivate the core messages of the ancient world religions in a more coherent manner, through the actualization of the happening of Self-realization. Its manifestation is clearly an event of historical magnitude and we hope the established powers and their media may grasp it. * Sahaja Yoga shall contribute both to personal fulfillment and to a new Global Equity Equilibrium. It calls for mutual understanding and tolerance between the world cultures, ethically driven policies, a more enlightened and equitable system of production, the valorization of hand made products and the respect for nature. * A medieval Cistercian monk, Joachim dei Fiori, announced that, after the age of the Father and of the Son we would enter the Age of the Mother. Perhaps we can understand what he meant. The divine work of Her Holiness Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi manifests the power of Love as the operative Force that can guide history, in full conformity with the work of Christ and of all the great prophets of the past. We recognize in Her the Avatar of the primordial mother, the manifestation of the Holy Ghost that had been promised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 shriadishakti , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org> wrote: > > > A STATEMENT ON A GLOBAL RELIGION FOR THE THIRD MILLENIUM > FIRSTLY: ABOUT THE STATE WE ARE IN > Dear Jagbir, Such a thorough article. One wonders why the authors wiched to be anonymous. There is a peculiar false modesty in some sahaja yogis which inspires them to sign themselves " a yogi " in newsletters or as in this case not to sign at all. We should always remember that future generations are going to find our communications very interesting and will want to know who wrote what. (No-one is going to be in any doubt about what you or I wrote.) They will also marvel at the fact that what we said was not comprehended or believed. I'm sure they will also be puzzled at the fact that a lot of the opposition sincere sahaja yogis experienced in this time actually came from within sahaja yoga groups as well. with love from Aunty Lyndal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 > shriadishakti , " jagbir singh " > <adishakti_org> wrote: > > > > A STATEMENT ON A GLOBAL RELIGION FOR THE THIRD MILLENIUM > > FIRSTLY: ABOUT THE STATE WE ARE IN > > shriadishakti , " in2centre " <supatni@b...> wrote: > > Dear Jagbir, > Such a thorough article. One wonders why the authors > wished to be anonymous. There is a peculiar false modesty in some > sahaja yogis which inspires them to sign themselves " a yogi " in > newsletters or as in this case not to sign at all. > We should always remember that future generations are going to > find our communications very interesting and will want to know who > wrote what. > (No-one is going to be in any doubt about what you or I wrote.) > They will also marvel at the fact that what we said was not > comprehended or believed. I'm sure they will also be puzzled at > the fact that a lot of the opposition sincere sahaja yogis > experienced in this time actually came from within sahaja yoga > groups as well. > with love from Aunty Lyndal > Dear Lyndal, In the Book of Prophecies John of Jerusalem writes about the present Third Millennium: " When the millennium that follows this millennium ends, Men will have finally opened their eyes. They will no longer be imprisoned in their heads and cities, But will be able to see from one end of the Earth to another, and understand each other. They will know what makes one suffer hurts another. Men will form one huge body of which each will be a tiny part. Together they will form the heart of this body. There will be a common language spoken by everybody, and thus, finally, a glorious humanity will come into existence . . . Because Woman will arrive to reign supreme; She will govern the future and decree Her philosophy to Man. She will be the Mother of the Millennium that follows the millennium. She will, after the days of the devil, radiate the gentle sweetness of a mother. She will, after the days of barbarity, embody beauty. The Millennium that follows the millennium, Will metamorphose into an age age of lightness: Men will love each other, sharing everything, dream, And dreams will turn into Reality . . . . Thus Man will have his second birth. Spirit will possess the mass of men, Who will be united in brotherhood. So an end will be proclaimed to barbarity. It will be an era of a new strength of belief. The dark days at the beginning of the Millennium that follows the millennium, will be ensued by days of jubilation: Men will once more find the righteous path of humanity, And Earth will find harmony once more. . . . There will be roads that connect one end of Earth, and the sky to the other; The woods will once more be dense, the desert will once more be irrigated, and the water will once more be pure. The Earth will be like a garden: Men will take care of every living thing, And he will clean everything he dirtied, He will understand that the whole of Earth is his home, And he will think with wisdom of the morrow. Man will know everything on Earth and his own body. Diseases will be cured before they are manifested, And everybody will cure themselves and each other. Man will have understood that he has to help himself to stay upright; And after the days of reticence and avarice, Man will open his heart and his purse to the poor; He will define himself curator of human species, And so, finally, a New Era will begin. When Man has learnt to give and share, The bitter days of solitude will be at an end. He will once more believe in the Spirit, And barbarians will once more be unheard of . . . But all this will happen after the wars and the fires. And this will arise from the ashes of the burnt Towers of Babel. And a strong hand will be needed to bring order to chaos, and to put Man on the right path. Man will learn that all creatures are bringers of light, and all creatures must be respected. Man, in his lifetime, will live more than one life, And will learn that the Light never goes out. " So Lyndal, we are just witnessing the very earliest dawn of the Third Millennium, just about 3 1/2 years. This is the most difficult period as the first faint rays of Light have only been perceived by those ancient devotees who descended with the Adi Shakti. So at this very early juncture when the millennium that follows this millennium ends only a few have opened their eyes and no longer imprisoned in their heads (are their own masters) and cities (allegiance only to country of birth). But we are very far from the days when finally, a New Era will begin when Man has learnt to give and share, when the bitter days of solitude will be at an end and humanity will once more believe in the Spirit, and barbarians will once more be unheard of . . . But all this will happen after the wars and the fires. And this will arise from the ashes of the burnt Towers of Babel. And a strong hand will be needed to bring order to chaos, and to put Man on the right path. Man will learn that all creatures are bringers of light, and all creatures must be respected. Man, in his lifetime, will live more than one life, and will learn that the Light never goes out. We are very, very far indeed from achieving this. The task is enormous and very difficult to achieve by the present 'official' SY modus operandi to spread the Message of the Woman who has arrived to reign supreme and govern the future and decree Her philosophy to Man. We fear telling the world that She is the Mother of the Millennium that follows the millennium and that She will, after the days of the devil, radiate the gentle sweetness of a mother. We are still reluctant to announce that Man will have his second birth to take part in the Last Judgment where the Spirit will possess the mass of men, who will be united in brotherhood and so an end will be proclaimed to barbarity. Many of us still do not possess the conviction to proclaim that it will be an era of a new strength of belief. There is more i can write but cannot. i myself am defeated by the opposition sincere sahaja yogis experience in this time coming strongly from within sahaja yoga groups. The only way i survive this constant negativity is to stay away and isolate myself. The internet and the forum is the only way for me to speak out loud and clear of things my own collective loathes to hear. The Adi Shakti has Her way of surmounting all opposition to Her, whether from Her own devotees or religious regimes. Without question i agree that future generations will " marvel at the fact that what we said was not comprehended or believed. " At the present moment very few know everything about Mother Earth and his own body, that diseases can be cured before they are manifested, and everybody can cure themselves eg. of vices, substance abuse and disease like diabetes and insomnia ............... or also cure each other by working on 'damaged' chakras. You are also correct that " they will also be puzzled at the fact that a lot of the opposition sincere sahaja yogis experienced in this time actually came from within sahaja yoga groups as well. " They will wonder why and shake their head in disbelieve at our 'fear' to announce so magnificent a Millennium. But all this announcement of the Message of the Woman who brings the Good News of the glorious Resurrection and Last Judgment will happen after the wars and the fires when will arise from the ashes of the burnt Towers of Babel a strong hand who will bring order to chaos, and to put Man on the right path. Only then will Man learn that all creatures are bringers of light, and all creatures must be respected. Then Man, in his lifetime, will live more than one life, and will learn that the Light never goes out. Till then Lyndal the very few of us must take on far more responsibility and bear a much heavier weight. Just as there is Light at this early dark Dawn of the Third Millennium, so is there a little joy in the immense pain. But these are duties that we vowed to uphold at all costs before descending on Mother Earth along with the great Adi Shakti Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. If you pursue your duty and squander tan man and dhan (mind, body, and wealth) in Her Cause be assured you will again and again ride with Her into Battle ........................ till the end of Eternity. So fight all of Her foes in all forms, within and without. jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 Jagbir wrote: > The task is enormous and very difficult to achieve by the > present 'official' SY modus operandi to spread the Message of the > Woman who has arrived to reign supreme and govern the future and > decree Her philosophy to Man. We fear telling the world that She is > the Mother of the Millennium that follows the millennium and that > She will, after the days of the devil, radiate the gentle sweetness > of a mother. We are still reluctant to announce that Man will have > his second birth to take part in the Last Judgment where the Spirit > will possess the mass of men, who will be united in brotherhood and > so an end will be proclaimed to barbarity. Many of us still do not > possess the conviction to proclaim that it will be an era of a new > strength of belief. > > There is more i can write but cannot. i myself am defeated by the > opposition sincere sahaja yogis experience in this time coming > strongly from within sahaja yoga groups. The only way i survive this > constant negativity is to stay away and isolate myself. The internet > and the forum is the only way for me to speak out loud and clear of > things my own collective loathes to hear. The Adi Shakti has Her way > of surmounting all opposition to Her, whether from Her own devotees > or religious regimes. > > Without question i agree that future generations will " marvel at the > fact that what we said was not comprehended or believed. " At the > present moment very few know everything about Mother Earth and his > own body, that diseases can be cured before they are manifested, and > everybody can cure themselves eg. of vices, substance abuse and > disease like diabetes and insomnia ............... or also cure > each other by working on 'damaged' chakras. > > You are also correct that " they will also be puzzled at the fact > that a lot of the opposition sincere sahaja yogis experienced in > this time actually came from within sahaja yoga groups as well. " > They will wonder why and shake their head in disbelieve at > our 'fear' to announce so magnificent a Millennium. > > But all this announcement of the Message of the Woman who brings the > Good News of the glorious Resurrection and Last Judgment will happen > after the wars and the fires when will arise from the ashes of the > burnt Towers of Babel a strong hand who will bring order to chaos, > and to put Man on the right path. Only then will Man learn that all > creatures are bringers of light, and all creatures must be > respected. Then Man, in his lifetime, will live more than one life, > and will learn that the Light never goes out. > > Till then Lyndal the very few of us must take on far more > responsibility and bear a much heavier weight. Just as there is > Light at this early dark Dawn of the Third Millennium, so is there a > little joy in the immense pain. But these are duties that we vowed > to uphold at all costs before descending on Mother Earth along with > the great Adi Shakti Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. If you pursue your > duty and squander tan man and dhan (mind, body, and wealth) in Her > Cause be assured you will again and again ride with Her into > Battle ........................ till the end of Eternity. So fight > all of Her foes in all forms, within and without. > > jagbir ------------------------------- Dear Jagbir, What you say is quite true. we have been given the commission to announce without fear. When I first came to sahaja yoga for a few years this was actually done...I mean we did actually tell people exactly what this is, and particularly that Sri Mataji is the Holy Ghost. Mostly this was by word of mouth as we had very little access to the media and the internet was a dream in the minds of some scientists and fiction writers. Many of us then were survivors of " alternative culture " or even " hippydom " . Nowdays most sahaja yogis come from more mainstream and what used to be called middle class or business class so they are a bit more worried about their reputations perhaps. BUT I REALLY BELIEVE THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY THINK THEY HAVE TO BE BELIEVED, ACCEPTED, COMPREHENDED. It is a missionary approach. Wanting to CONVERT large crowds. On re-reading some of the surahs on your site the other day I was struck buy the idea that we only have to announce (And of course offer realization to those who WANT it), But that for the most part WE CANNOT EXPECT TO BE BELIEVED, THEY WILL NOT BELIEVE, NOT IF WE AQUIRE OWNERSHIP OF EVERY T V STATION AND MEDIA OUTLET AND EVERY MICROPHONE. we still cannot expect the majority to believe what we say. Only the meek in spirit. Where you come from as a Sikh in a Muslim country you are well placed to announce the way you do in the medium you use. Even if you led a wild life for a while there, you had a good family background which has given you the secure centre heart. And no weird pseudo- christian conditioning. I don't think you can imagine how difficult it is for western men to begin to see the way to act. Or even to look closely at themselves. The fear of failure makes them hesitate and no amount of urging is going to alter that. If they could just accept that it is only our job to announce and not to recruit,or convince, masses of people MOST of whom are not seekers anyway, it might be easier to reach the ones who are...effortlessly. It is not our job to change anyone else. Sri Mataji said that after raising our kundalini even Her responsibility is then finished. It is then up to the individual to rise. So I conclude that we mustn't mind how everyone else is doing or not doing their bit. We cannot see the whole and there are all sorts of people working out things on all sorts of levels, as you know. We can only do things to the best of our abilities and enjoy the experience.....I am not trying to change the way you keep re- iterating your conviction (NEVER) but I don't like to think you feel it is so futile. Are all Sikh chaps conditioned to be easily enraged and outspoken and despondant at the apparent incompetence of others? Or was Mars in a stressful opposition to Jupiter when you were born perhaps? Just teasing, little brother. (I seem to remember some earlier posts where Ishmael was also trying to lighten your mood a bit.) We probably knew it would be like this when we chose to take birth this time. Lyndal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2003 Report Share Posted June 10, 2003 Dear All, Yesterday i watched part 2 of a three-episode documentary The Sacred Balance by David Suzuki concerning the water element. Suzuki, drawing on his life as a scientist, environmentalist, writer, and thinker, reveals his inspiring view of the human place on Earth. He identifies seven elements - earth, air, fire, water, biodiversity, love, and spirituality - which all human beings need to lead full, rich lives. i finally realized, albeit superficially, why Hindus pray to the river Ganges and revere all elements. My ignorance humbled me into silence as i became conscious of my birth in the primordial ocean, the Womb of Mother Earth, many billion of years ago. i realized that i am made of the same elements that belong to my long line of my ancient animal ancestors who emerged from that Primordial Womb. i understood why humans need to move away from global economic competition and towards a recognition of our connection with the Earth and Spirit. The exquisite balance of these elements creates and maintains the web of life on Earth. We too are part of that web: like all living things, we ARE the sacred elements. We are made from and sustained by earth and air, fire and water. We are part of the totality of biological diversity that maintains the planet's life-support systems. We are held together by love. And we express and celebrate our understanding of our place on Earth through the mysteries of the Spirit. Never have any religious organization or guru other than than Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi made me realize, through the mysteries of the Spirit, that i am a scared element. Never have anyone showed me the way to the Kingdom of Spirit (Sahasrara) within where God Almighty (as Light) and She rules supreme. Now i know that i AM sacred and eternal, and chose to take birth when this Primordial Spirit incarnated on Mother Earth. i am absolutely sure that we must make humans become conscious that the Last Judgment is the final evolution of homo sapiens into the eternal homo spiritus. That is why i can only feel a little Joy in the immense pain when Her devotees declare that She is a guru who does wonders for stress management. jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2003 Report Share Posted June 10, 2003 First: Congratulations to this wonderful experience! I kow what you are talking about, as I have had a similar revelation. Second: The Last Judgement is not the Goal. It is the " Entry Port " , through which those who do not " know " can't enter. Satya Yuga is the goal. Third: You might have met some strange weirdos, but none of MY immediate friends in SY believe that SY is just about stress reduction. Why are you complaining HERE in this forum? Whom are you talking to? Is this YOUR world alone? Why don't you go and get a life? Why not enjoy fully, not just a bit? Why just sit on the sidelines of SY and not in the very core (Remember, Shri Mataji is with us in Cabella at the moment)? PS: Should you decide to answer my questions, please keep it short. > > Dear All, > > Yesterday i watched part 2 of a three-episode documentary The Sacred > Balance by David Suzuki concerning the water element. Suzuki, > drawing on his life as a scientist, environmentalist, writer, and > thinker, reveals his inspiring view of the human place on Earth. He > identifies seven elements - earth, air, fire, water, biodiversity, > love, and spirituality - which all human beings need to lead full, > rich lives. > > i finally realized, albeit superficially, why Hindus pray to the > river Ganges and revere all elements. My ignorance humbled me into > silence as i became conscious of my birth in the primordial ocean, > the Womb of Mother Earth, many billion of years ago. i realized that > i am made of the same elements that belong to my long line of my > ancient animal ancestors who emerged from that Primordial Womb. i > understood why humans need to move away from global economic > competition and towards a recognition of our connection with the > Earth and Spirit. > > The exquisite balance of these elements creates and maintains the > web of life on Earth. We too are part of that web: like all living > things, we ARE the sacred elements. We are made from and sustained > by earth and air, fire and water. We are part of the totality of > biological diversity that maintains the planet's life-support > systems. We are held together by love. And we express and celebrate > our understanding of our place on Earth through the mysteries of the > Spirit. > > Never have any religious organization or guru other than than Shri > Mataji Nirmala Devi made me realize, through the mysteries of the > Spirit, that i am a scared element. Never have anyone showed me the > way to the Kingdom of Spirit (Sahasrara) within where God Almighty > (as Light) and She rules supreme. > > Now i know that i AM sacred and eternal, and chose to take birth > when this Primordial Spirit incarnated on Mother Earth. i am > absolutely sure that we must make humans become conscious that the > Last Judgment is the final evolution of homo sapiens into the > eternal homo spiritus. That is why i can only feel a little Joy in > the immense pain when Her devotees declare that She is a guru who > does wonders for stress management. > > jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2003 Report Share Posted June 10, 2003 shriadishakti , " herbert108 " <hreininger@c...> wrote: > First: Congratulations to this wonderful experience! I kow what > you are talking about, as I have had a similar revelation. > It is encouraging to know others on the same wavelength. > Second: The Last Judgement is not the Goal. It is the " Entry > Port " , through which those who do not " know " can't enter. Satya > Yuga is the goal. > Do not think that all those who know that it is the Last Judgment will make it. It is a daily work in progress to rid oneself of negativity and vices, and purify oneself in heart, mind and soul. > Third: You might have met some strange weirdos, but none of > MY immediate friends in SY believe that SY is just about stress > reduction. > i know that stress management is encouraged as a means to attract people to Sahaja Yoga. > Why are you complaining HERE in this forum? > i am NOT complaining, just putting my points across. If i use your criteria to ascertain " complaining " then everyone is complaining about everything - world affairs, politics, weather, food stamps, welfare fraud, stock exchange, family fueds, oil prices, evolution, the river Gangga, the Catholic Church, ex-prophet Simon, Palestine, 500 channel cable stations, Sahaja Yoga .................... and everything that can be discussed between humans. > Whom are you talking to? > To those who comprehend. > Is this YOUR world alone? > You are putting words in my mouth. > Why don't you go and get a life? > What makes you think i do not have one? > Why not enjoy fully, not just a bit? > i will when i am fully enlightened. > Why just sit on the sidelines of SY and not in the very core > (Remember, Shri Mataji is with us in Cabella at the moment)? > i know the Adi Shakti Shri Lalita Devi is within me. The day the physical Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, the incarnation of the Adi Shakti Shri Lalita Devi, leaves Her physical body you will understand and comprehend what i am talking about. Only then will you be fully conscious that i was all the time in the very core of Truth, not the sidelines of Sahaja Yoga. Anyway, i learnt far more sitting on the sidelines than the centre of collectivity. i cherish this self-enlightenment from Shri Mataji within and freedom from all fears, and will not redeem it. (This also answers a recent email from a concerned SY.) > PS: Should you decide to answer my questions, please keep it short. > i hope my answers were short enough. jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2003 Report Share Posted June 10, 2003 shriadishakti , " in2centre " <supatni@b...> wrote: > Nowdays most sahaja yogis come from more mainstream and what > used to be called middle class or business class so they are a bit > more worried about their reputations perhaps. > > BUT I REALLY BELIEVE THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY THINK THEY HAVE TO > BE BELIEVED, ACCEPTED, COMPREHENDED. > > It is a missionary approach. Wanting to CONVERT large crowds. > On re-reading some of the surahs on your site the other day I was > struck buy the idea that we only have to announce (And of course > offer realization to those who WANT it), But that for the most > part WE CANNOT EXPECT TO BE BELIEVED, THEY WILL NOT BELIEVE, NOT > IF WE AQUIRE OWNERSHIP OF EVERY TV STATION AND MEDIA OUTLET AND > EVERY MICROPHONE. We still cannot expect the majority to believe > > what we say. Only the meek in spirit. > Lyndal, you are probably the first to comprehend. i knew you were a very wise woman after reading your first few posts. > Are all Sikh chaps conditioned to be easily enraged and outspoken > and despondant at the apparent incompetence of others? Or was Mars > in a stressful opposition to Jupiter when you were born perhaps? > Just teasing, little brother. > " Guru Tegh Bahadur's martyrdom had far-reaching political effects. The Mughals had, not long after, to face stiff resistance from the Sikhs. Sikh opposition contributed significantly to the collapse of the Mughal empire. After the martyrdom of his father, Guru Gobind Singh, took several concrete steps to give a new orientation to the Sikh community. As a true soldier of the people and conscious of the role he had to play in the aftermath of ninth Guru's martyrdom, Guru Gobind Singh did not get overwhelmed by his tragic loss. Guru's public execution had outraged the Indians. From near and far they moved to Anandpur Sahib to be with the young Guru. They looked to him as the promised saviour and the man of the hour. A soldier of destiny, the tenth Guru started consolidating his resources and began building an army of saint-soldiers among his people. He gave a clarion call to all the Sikhs on the Baisakhi fair in 1699. Several thousand Sikhs came to participate in the fair in response to the Guru's call. He created the Khalsa in 1699 after baptising the 'Panj Pyara' (Five beloved ones) and asking them in turn to baptise himself. It was really a psychological feat of transformation of the community as also of democratising the religious authority, which had earlier vested in the personality of the Guru exclusively. Personal Guruship ended with his death and Guruship came to be vested in the scriptures and the Panth. After the creation of Khalsa, out of the fourteen battles they fought against the well-disciplined imperial army, not less than twelve times they defeated the enemy convincingly. In his struggle against intolerance, Guru Gobind Singh suffered grievious losses personally. His father was martyred and mother died in captivity. Two of his sons met their end fighting single-handedly against heavy odds. His two younger sons were walled-in alive. Nowhere in history has any leader given so much personal sacrifice. Aurangzeb ultimately decided to invite Guru Gobind Singh for reconcilation. Guru sent him a letter known as Zafar Nama, the Epistle of victory. In it he described Aurangzeb as faithless and irreligious. Guru told him, 'what if my four sons have been killed, I live to take their revenge. It's no herosim to extinguish a few sparks. You have only excited a devastating fire. You have the pride of your empire, while I am proud of the kingdom of God. You must not forget that this world is like a caravan sarai and one must leave it sooner or later. " The Khalsa was formed to defend Sikhs against persecution, and has always had a leading role within the Sikh community. As the producer of 'The Khalsa', Kristine Pommert explains: " the last Sikh Guru, or spiritual leader, Guru Gobind Singh, said 'my Khalsa should be both saints and soldiers.' " The faith taught justice, social harmony, peace and equality of all people regardless of religion, creed and race but in the face of tyranny eventually adopted a martial character. Sikhs have had " a very traumatic 500-year history " explains John Das, producer of 'The Sikhs', " particularly in the 20th century, with the storming of the Golden Temple, the subsequent killings of Sikhs in India, the partition of Punjab at the time of Indian Independence, and the consequent mass migrations. " The religion had to survive against the most astonishing odds, Delhi- based historian Patwant Singh adds, including " invaders, wars, persecution, repression - everything in the book was thrown at Sikhs and yet they came out of it stronger, better and more self- confident. " " Maj. General M. Khan of Pakistan wrote in his book 'Crisis of Leadership' about the bravery of the Sikh soldiers during the Indo- Pak war. Here are some excerpts: " ....the main reason of our defeat was Sikhs fighting facing us. We were helpless to do anything in front of them. Sikhs are very brave and they have a great craving for martyrdom. They fight so fiercely that they are capable of defeating an army many times bigger than theirs. " " ....On 3rd December 1971, we fiercely and vigorously attacked the Indian army with our infantry brigade near Hussainiwala border. This brigade included Pakistan army's fighter Punjabi regiment together with the Baloch regiment. Within minutes we pushed the Indian army quite far back. Their defence posts fell under our control. The Indian army was retreating back very fast and the Pakistani army was going forward with a great speed. Our army reached near the Kausre- Hind post. There was a small segment of the Indian army appointed to defend that post and their soldiers belonged to the Sikh Regiment. A few number of the Sikh Regiment stopped our way forward like an iron wall. They loudly greeted us with the ovation of 'Bole-so-Nihal' and attacked us like blood thirsty hungry lions and hawks. All these soldiers were Sikhs. There was even a dreadful hand-to-hand battle. The sky filled with roars of 'Yaa Ali' and 'Sat-Siri-Akal'. Even in this hand-to-hand fighting the Sikhs fought so bravely that all our desires, aspirations and dreams were shattered. " " .....In this war Lt. Col Gulab Hussain of Baloch Regiment got killed. With him Major Mohammed Zaeef and Captain Arif Alim also died. It was difficult to count the number of soldiers who got killed. We were astonished to see the courage of those handful of Sikh soldiers. When we seized the possession of the three-storey defence post of concrete, the Sikh soldiers went onto the roof and kept on persistently opposing us. The whole night they kept on showering fires on us and continued shouting the loud ovation of 'Sat-Siri-Akal'. These Sikh soldiers kept on the encounter till the next day. Next day the Pakistani tanks surrounded this post and bombed it with guns. Those handful of Sikhs got martyred in this encounter while resisting us, but other Sikh soldiers then destroyed our tanks with the help of their artillery. Fighting with great bravery they kept on marching forward and thus our army lost its foothold. " " ....Alas, a handful of Sikhs converted our great victory into a big defeat and shattered our confidence and courage. . " " ....The same thing happened with us in Dhaka (Bangladesh). In the battle of Jaissur, the Singhs opposed the Pakistani army so fiercely that our backbone and our foothold was lost. This became the main and important reason of our defeat and the Sikhs' fancy for martyrdom and mockery with death for the sake of safety and honour of the country, became the sole cause of their victory. " Similar type of comments were made by Pakistani army in East Pakistan under the leadership of General Niazi while surrendering their weapons to General Jagjit Singh Arora. The bravery and spirit of sacrifice of Sikhs were respected and honoured by one and all. May God rest the souls of all the fallen soldiers (Sikhs and Pakistanis), in peace. " Thought: " Sawa Lakh se ek laraun, chirian to(n) main baaj taranun, tabhe Gobind Singh naam kahaun " (Unless I raise one to stand against many, cause sparrow spurn hawk, I shall not deserve to be called Gobind Singh.) Lyndal, we Sikhs despise cowards who flee from battle and are thus " easily enraged and outspoken and despondant at the apparent incompetence of others. " Hundreds of thousands of Sikh warriors and soldiers have most willingly laid down their lives whether in battle or for a cause. We saints are just programmed to be soldiers, peaceful within and fierce without. Just like the Gurkhas, our loyalty is as legendary. We Sikhs are a proud race indeed. jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2003 Report Share Posted June 10, 2003 > Anyway, i learnt far more sitting on the sidelines than the centre > of collectivity. i cherish this self-enlightenment from Shri Mataji > within and freedom from all fears, and will not redeem it. (This > also answers a recent email from a concerned SY.) Oh really Jagbir, this is ridiculous! How many times does Shri Mataji have to say it? Sahaja Yoga is about collectivity. For myself, yes I enjoy the collectivity of the Sahaj internet. Sure. But my real strength comes from my local collective: taking part in new people's programs; welcoming brothers and sisters into my house for collective meetings. That's where the aggression of the 'I'-ness gets dissolved into the vibrations. Why not just rejoin your local collective? It might be a struggle for you initially but when the aggression and anger dissolve you'll feel better for it. And your children will be able to interact will their peers, the other born realised children. A win-win situation all round. Your Australian brother, John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 Jagbir wrote: > Lyndal, we Sikhs despise cowards who flee from battle and are > thus " easily enraged and outspoken and despondant at the apparent > incompetence of others. " Hundreds of thousands of Sikh warriors and > soldiers have most willingly laid down their lives whether in battle > or for a cause. We saints are just programmed to be soldiers, > peaceful within and fierce without. Just like the Gurkhas, our > loyalty is as legendary. We Sikhs are a proud race indeed. > > Dear Jagbir, thank you for your very full explanation of where your conditioning comes from. I had not looked into Sikhism much I must confess. I wonder what the role of women in the community is like? Are they listened to, or expected to remain silent like a lot of Indian women? On the topic of spreading Sahaja Yoga - I notice in Sri Matajis recent Birthday address She was saying : " The way you have got your spiritual powers and the way you are using it, is really beyond understanding-any human understanding. That is why people don't believe that there is something like Sahaja Yoga.........It's something beyond the conception of human beings that they can achieve this kind of spiritual growth within themselves. " Speaking about the war going on in iraq that the outcome with our efforts will bring peace everywhere, She said " We don't want to have wars but we have to change human beings. Otherwise you cannot trust them. This is a very big challenge to all of you to work very hard to get to this idea of giving realisation to everyone. Otherwise you cannot stop it But awakening is needed within which of course I don't know if everybody will try to have. But as many as can have it please try to give them awakening because they are all human beings born at this time so they deserve it. " " Everyone can have ten to fifteen people and will change the world. That is our ambition is to change the world to the new style of understanding. That we have to live peacefully as human beings " .... " Today that is the need of the hour. At the right time we are now ready to do sahaja yoga and spread it all over. As much as possible. Wherever you see the necessity. " All of which makes me think that this is a new era where it is suddenly much easier to give realisation than before, as well as being a more critical time. So the announcing bit is one thing, but actually manually raising the kundalini of at least 10 or 15 people each and that is probably a critical mass sufficient to turn things around. The shiva puja talk was very much emphasising peacefulness. Very certainly there is no place for anger at all. The current trend of demonstrating how to give vibrations in public is really a grass roots low tech approach wich probably would not have worked a few years back but is now very effective. I personally am very put off by the lecture hall system with rows of people facing a speaker (usually male) no matter how convincingly they announce, it is not as good as face to face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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