SM: You have to achieve your object while leading a normal life.

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> On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 00:39:00 -0700 herbert108 <hreininger@c...>

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> Why is this BBC story here on this forum???

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shriadishakti , <sattwa@h...> wrote:

 

> Hi,

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> Can i second that this does seem out of place even though i

> understand the point being made.

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> Jagbir can explain well enough for himself, but i can only say

> that as a SYogini i wasn't really offended by it, but it was

> perhaps unnecessary, a link to the BBC site would have been better.

>

 

To all,

 

The reality is that we witness more immorality daily through the

media or a walk downtown than any BBC link.

 

Just the other day i witnessed a beautiful young girl wearing such

a short skirt while riding the metro that there was silence .....

........... a silence caused by the uneasiness of witnessing

lusciously lusty legs and not getting caught doing so. It was a

difficult journey for many, especially for the young man sitting

directly opposite the young girl.

 

SYs should not overreact or appear prudish and easily offended by

sexual content as it makes us appear unbalanced. i know Shri Mataji

has specifically advised women to read the papers and keep touch

with events on Earth. Sex is the main dish of the daily western

social diet. We will have to learn to just witness without reaction

and not make sex a taboo subject, less a dirty word.

 

Let me tell you what the Adi Shakti thinks about sex.

 

i was told by my son about the presence of the Adi Shakti on Earth

early November 1993.

 

In April 1994 my wife gave birth to Lalita.

 

After our daughter's birth there was a growing disinterest in sexual

relations. ir had already read several Vedic books expounding the

virtues of celibacy in the search for higher consciousness,

especially A.C. Bhaktivedanta's Bhagavad-Gita As It Is. The founder

of ISKCON made it very clear that sex was taboo for those aspiring

freedom from material bondage. There was something distasteful about

this natural act and it was supposed to hinder the spiritual

struggle.

 

i began to frown on sex mainly due to AC's intense dislike for

flesh: According to him:

 

" Sex for pleasure compels one to identify with the body and takes

one far from Krsna consciousness. The scriptures teach that sex is

the most powerful force binding us to the material world. Anyone

serious about advancing in Krsna consciousness should minimize sex

or eliminate it entirely. "

 

Words like lower drives, pleasures of the flesh, and lust began to

have sinister meanings. There was a growing urgency to end the

urges. Moreover, the divine revelations of my son Kash had brought

massive, undeniable proof of the existence of God and His Kingdom.

There was no need now to be attached to this corporeal body and its

incessant demands. Sex was seen as a primitive, male aggression that

should be used solely for procreation — other than that it served

no purpose. Celibacy was the only way to overcome all attachments to

sexual pleasures.

 

It was decided to become a sanyasi as advocated by A.C.

Bhaktivedanta. My wife was told that our spiritual duties and ascend

required such sexual sacrifices.

 

For months this self-imposed vow of celibacy was carried out with

scriptural strictness. The celibate life was accepted with no

regrets or remorse. On the contrary, there was a tinge of pride and

exclusiveness at being able to attain self-sacrifice so easily.

 

Within months the body adjusted to this unnatural fast and the

internal enemy was starved to death. Life continued as normal for

there were completely no withdrawal symptoms, side effects or

thoughts; the dedication and devotion to perfect oneself knew no

bounds. To sacrifice the pleasures of sex or the sake of eternal

life was one of the easiest things to do, a duty performed by me

with happy devotion for the greater glory of God.

 

But over months the inner Knowledge of Self-Realization began to

slowly manifest itself: There was something wrong with this vow of

celibacy. These thoughts came not because of any sexual desire,

which had been totally eliminated, or were there any protest from my

loyal, level-headed wife who had witnessed and absorbed far greater

acts of my foolishness and social madness prior to being awakened by

Shri Mataji. So this sex abstinence was just another burden to bear.

 

But there was an inner consciousness that celibacy was against Self-

Realization. No matter how much i tried to self-justify that i was

doing a godly act that had the backing of certain scriptures and

gurus — including popes and priests — there was always a

deeper awareness that i was mired in ignorance. The lines of sexual

purity in various books were read repeatedly, just to reassure and

reinforce this 'sinless state.'

 

Despite all efforts this nagging conscience that i was going against

Self-realization and spiritual maturity remained.

 

Then i had to leave Canada for Malaysia early October 1994.

 

Finally, in December after spending nearly two months in Malaysia

and about to return back to Canada, i decided to seek the advice of

SY Tan, the Malaysian leader who informed that in Sahaja Yoga

celibacy is strictly forbidden.

 

When i returned to Canada this unnatural penance was discarded on

January 10, 1995. Nine months of sexual fasting had finally come to

an end.

 

The very next day my son Kash meditated as usual and met the Great

Eternal Mother in the Sahasrara. She told him that now the family

was normal again.

 

Kash, who had no idea what normal meant or why was She informing him

so for the first time, asked me what was Shri Nirmala Devi actually

referring to. After all the family had been normal ever since i got

Self-Realization; i had quit smoking, drinking, partying, and

swearing, suddenly transformed into a normal being dedicated to

family and spiritualism. So why was the family actually only normal

now?

 

Little did my son realize what Shri Mataji had meant by normal, for

nothing else had changed in the family.

 

i did not answer him and attention was deflected to some other

topic. i was in no position to tell that i had stopped making love

to his mother. Man, that sounds awful and i was just too embarrassed

to talk about this topic. Even Shri Mataji for nine months never

told Kash that i was on the wrong path and should stop being a

celibate, though She continued pointing out other faults and

falsehoods.

 

Only when i began fulfilling my duty as a husband again did Shri

Mataji inform Kash, without any hint of sex, that the family was

normal again ............... subtle enough for me to understand

how dumb and stupid i was to abstain from sex.

 

Her remarks on Earth about sex are no different:

 

" In our Indian society people take to sanyasa. They'll wear

kashi, go out. Many people, after certain age, take to sanyasa. Why

not take to sanyasa inside? Just now. What is the need to wait until

you get old and then absolutely haggard and then to say that you are

a sanyasi. You, in anyway, you are a sanyasi at that time. In Sahaja

Yoga there is no sanyas or renunciation of worldly ties. You have to

achieve your object while leading a normal life. There has to be non-

attachment to worldly pleasures while leading a normal life. "

 

So let's all be also normal on this forum.

 

jagbir