To Jagbir - What goes around comes around

[Guest guest]

What an irony Jagbir …...

 

I still remember the letter you sent to your brother Vipin about 10

years ago when you yourself found it hard to believe the events that

were unravelling each time Kash's Kundalini pierced his Sahasrara.

I still remember in that letter you wrote to Vipin about how Kash

would describe each Hindu deity he met together with AdiShakti in

his Sahasrara especially as to how they looked and you did not

believe your own son for weeks.

 

Finally after making light of your own son's experience , it finally

dawned upon you that it could be really be true and you finally

decided to check out about the Hindu God's and Godesses he was

describing in detail by going to the library. You were then

dumbstruck that a 12 yr old boy who had never seen any of the

deities and never gone to any Hindu temple in Montreal or Malaysia

could describe in such minute detail each and every deity. Was it

your Sikh ego that prevented you from confirming the daily

experiences of your son earlier?

 

After that letter you had written many more letters where you SLOWLY

begin to believe what Kash was experiencing was for real and not a

figment of his imagination. We (Vipin and myself) remember the way

you used to question him like a lawyer and rattle him with rapid

questions where he had little time to think and also ask some of the

same questions repeatedly spread over a period of days and weeks

during some totally unrelated topic just to get him caught off guard

but each and every time the answers were the accurately the same.

 

You had a tough time believing your own son of 12 yrs old at that

time. How do you expect a total stranger like brother Sahajist to

believe you or your children when he hardly knows you?

I would like to take a simple view of it just like now there are

some ex-SY like Simon who think SY is a bag of tricks , there will

be SYogi/nis who will think that what Kash , Arwinder and Lalita

experience is a figment of their imagination …………….. until the day

comes when the SY him/her self can reach that stage where their

Kundalini can effortlessly take them to the state of thoughtless

awareness and beyond and they too can meet The AdiShakti in their

Sahasrara.

 

 

Do not forget that at one stage in the beginning you yourself found

it hard to believe and thus there is no point in being upset with

Sahajist or anyone for that matter when they find it difficult to

believe it.

 

A lot of us feel that your websites adishakti.org and al-qiyamah.org

are really great works and are appreciated by many and thus those who

can feel it in their hearts would also have told you what the

AdiShakti told Arwinder even if She had not made that statement.

 

Jai Shree Mataji

[Guest guest]

For the record, I have never stated anything negative about Jagbir's

children and their experiences, nor intend to.

As Jagbir has now read way way too much into my simple statements

twice in recent days, I will withdraw from this forum, just as I

withdrew from the response forum when Ivan began his sanitisation of

the recent history of Sahaja Yoga.

Au revoir.

John

 

 

shriadishakti , " dr_balwinder "

<dr_balwinder> wrote:

> What an irony Jagbir …...

>

> I still remember the letter you sent to your brother Vipin about 10

> years ago when you yourself found it hard to believe the events

that

> were unravelling each time Kash's Kundalini pierced his Sahasrara.

> I still remember in that letter you wrote to Vipin about how Kash

> would describe each Hindu deity he met together with AdiShakti in

> his Sahasrara especially as to how they looked and you did not

> believe your own son for weeks.

>

> Finally after making light of your own son's experience , it

finally

> dawned upon you that it could be really be true and you finally

> decided to check out about the Hindu God's and Godesses he was

> describing in detail by going to the library. You were then

> dumbstruck that a 12 yr old boy who had never seen any of the

> deities and never gone to any Hindu temple in Montreal or Malaysia

> could describe in such minute detail each and every deity. Was it

> your Sikh ego that prevented you from confirming the daily

> experiences of your son earlier?

>

> After that letter you had written many more letters where you

SLOWLY

> begin to believe what Kash was experiencing was for real and not a

> figment of his imagination. We (Vipin and myself) remember the way

> you used to question him like a lawyer and rattle him with rapid

> questions where he had little time to think and also ask some of

the

> same questions repeatedly spread over a period of days and weeks

> during some totally unrelated topic just to get him caught off

guard

> but each and every time the answers were the accurately the same.

>

> You had a tough time believing your own son of 12 yrs old at that

> time. How do you expect a total stranger like brother Sahajist to

> believe you or your children when he hardly knows you?

> I would like to take a simple view of it just like now there are

> some ex-SY like Simon who think SY is a bag of tricks , there will

> be SYogi/nis who will think that what Kash , Arwinder and Lalita

> experience is a figment of their imagination …………….. until

the day

> comes when the SY him/her self can reach that stage where their

> Kundalini can effortlessly take them to the state of thoughtless

> awareness and beyond and they too can meet The AdiShakti in their

> Sahasrara.

>

>

> Do not forget that at one stage in the beginning you yourself found

> it hard to believe and thus there is no point in being upset with

> Sahajist or anyone for that matter when they find it difficult to

> believe it.

>

> A lot of us feel that your websites adishakti.org and al-

qiyamah.org

> are really great works and are appreciated by many and thus those

who

> can feel it in their hearts would also have told you what the

> AdiShakti told Arwinder even if She had not made that statement.

>

> Jai Shree Mataji

[Guest guest]

> shriadishakti , " dr_balwinder "

> <dr_balwinder> wrote:

>

> I would like to take a simple view of it just like now there are

> some ex-SY like Simon who think SY is a bag of tricks, there

> will be SYogi/nis who will think that what Kash, Arwinder and

> Lalita experience is a figment of their imagination ……………..

> until the day comes when the SY him/her self can reach that stage

> where their Kundalini can effortlessly take them to the state of

> thoughtless awareness and beyond and they too can meet The

> AdiShakti in their Sahasrara.

>

 

Sahasra-dala-padmastha (528th): Residing in the Thousand-Petaled

Lotus.

 

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Sahasrarambujarudha (106th): She ascends the Sahasrara-chakra. She

dwells there as saksi or chitkala in the liberated souls. This is

Moksa.

 

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Bhavanagamya (113rd): Realised by mental effort (called dhyana).

Here it may be Dhyana of (1) vigraha or pratika which is outside,

(2) or by concentration inside the heart on a mental image and

worshipping Her by various offerings, (3) or by losing the

devotee's individuality in Sri-Lalita-paramesvari in the

Sahasrara. This is the best and is called sattvika-bhavana.

 

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Yasavini (474th): Glorious. The following 62 names elaborately

describe Her seven forms in Chakras from Muladhara to Sahasrara.

Sri Lalita according to the Yogini-Nyasa has a distinct form and

name in each Chakra having distinctive faces, weapons, attendants,

favorite delicacy of food and a place in various dhatus of the body.

She evolves from the subtlest Siva state to the grossest Prthvi

state as She descends from Sahasrara to Muladhara in the body. The

devotees who are advanced in their sadhana with Her Grace can

experience Her various forms in these Chakras as a result of

Antaryaga. Sri Sankara has very beautifully described Her forms in

these Chakras in Saun. Lah. From slokas 36 to 41 and also in the 9th

sloka.

 

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Shri Maha-kailasa-nilaya (578th): Residing in the great Kailas —

Maha Kailasa means in Sri Chakra, the innermost Bindu and in the

body the Sahasrara-Padma below the Brahmarandhra.

 

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Rudra-granthi-vibhedini (104th): She cuts the knot of Rudra.

Hereafter the Jiva loses his individual consciousness (Siva) in

Sahasrara.

 

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Kulamrtaika-rasika (90th): She relishes the nectar of Kula. In the

internal discipline of Kaula-Marga, Sri-Lalita who resides in

Muladhara-Chakra as Kundalini is roused by Pranayama, and taken to

Sahasrara-Chakra in the head where the devotee feels great bliss

which spreads all over the body and mind. That bliss is the Amrta

mentioned here. Kalyanananda Bharati divides this name into two

names — Kula and Amrtaika-Rasika. Kula means chaste lady —

Amrtaika-rasika means one who enjoys Advaita-Sthiti. Kula means the

triad— Mata (measurer), Manam, (measure) and Meyam (measured).

 

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Sudha-srutih (879th): Ambrosial stream or flow of bliss resulting

from meditation on Sri Lalita in Sahasrara or the continuous flow of

the experience of Divine Bliss in devoted practice.

 

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Baindavasana (905th): Seated in Bindu, the innermost point of Sri

Cakra. It is stated to be the abode of Shiva. It corresponds to the

stalk of the Sahasrara-Padma in the head of the devotee.

 

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Lokatita (960th): Transcends al created universes. Also it means She

is seated above Sahasrara — the highest of the worlds or Lokas,

which is also called Sadasiva-Loka in the body.

 

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Maha-padmatavi-samstha (59th): She dwells in the Great Lotus Forest.

This means She dwells in Sahasrara. (See 21st Sloka of Saun. Lah.)

According to Arunopanisad inside this `Lotus Flower' is the

point of contact between the individual and Cosmic Consciousness.

 

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Padmasana (278th): She is seated in the lotuses i.e., from Muladhara

to Sahasrara.

[Guest guest]

> shriadishakti , " dr_balwinder "

> <dr_balwinder> wrote:

>

> I would like to take a simple view of it just like now there are

> some ex-SY like Simon who think SY is a bag of tricks, there

> will be SYogi/nis who will think that what Kash, Arwinder and

> Lalita experience is a figment of their imagination ……………..

> until the day comes when the SY him/her self can reach that stage

> where their Kundalini can effortlessly take them to the state of

> thoughtless awareness and beyond and they too can meet The

> AdiShakti in their Sahasrara.

>

 

 

" She is not only the Power of God as the whirling wheel of life

in its birth-bringing and death-bringing totality; She is also the

Force of the Centre, which bestows Consciousness and Knowledge,

Transformation and Illumination. Thus Brahma prays to the Great

Goddess: " Thou art the pristine spirit, the nature of which is

bliss; thou art the ultimate nature and the clear light of heaven,

which illuminates and breaks the self-hypnotism of the terrible

round of rebirth, and thou art the one that muffles the universe,

for all time in thine own very darkness. " "

 

Eric Neuman, The Great Mother, Princeton University Press 2nd.

Edition, 1963, p. 333.

 

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" The worship of Devi, the Goddess, is prevalent throughout India,

and archaeological evidence suggests that the worship of the female

in India is extremely ancient and may even be indigenous to the

area. The cult of the mother or female fertility symbol was probably

eclipsed by the Aryans, whose sacred texts were dominated by such

male divinities as Indra, Rudra and Varuna. However, the very power

(shakti) of these gods later emerged as one of the most powerful

aspects of the Goddess.

 

In the Vedas shakti refers to the divine powers displayed by each of

the gods; later it came to refer to the potential energy of the

gods, the internal force that causes them to act and primordial

matter to evolve. This creative, dynamic force was conceived of as

female . . .

 

The worship of shakti . . . and the Goddess is envisioned

simultaneously as the creator, sustainer and destroyer of the

universe . . . In the Devi-Mahatmyam, a well-known Hindu text, the

gods praise Devi as the mother of the universe, and describe Her as

the remover of all suffering, fear and evil; it is She who will

bring everyone to final liberation. Devi, in turn, promises to

protect those who remember Her and come to her for refuge. "

 

Professor Mary McGee, Eastern Wisdom,

Duncan Baird Publishers, UK, 1996 p. 42-3.

 

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" In the Astasahasrikaprajnaparamitasutra, the earliest known

Prajnaparamita (a word which is Sanskrit is grammatically feminine)

is presented as the female personification of liberating wisdom. She

is barely personalised in the sutra and is no deity, but the perfect

understanding which liberates is clearly imagined as feminine (Macy

1977, 315.) Prajnaparamita is the mother of the Buddhas and the

bodhisattvas, their instructors in this world, genetrix, and nurse

(Macy 1977, 319.) Without perfect wisdom there would be no perfectly

enlightened beings, and so, as teacher and as what is taught,

Prajnaparamita is the mother who bears and nutures the enlightened

ones. She is the source of light which reveals the truth; she is the

eye which perceives it. "

 

Nancy Schuster Barnes, Women in World Religion,

State University of New York Press, 1987, pg. 122.)

[Guest guest]

> shriadishakti , " dr_balwinder "

> <dr_balwinder> wrote:

>

> I would like to take a simple view of it just like now there are

> some ex-SY like Simon who think SY is a bag of tricks, there

> will be SYogi/nis who will think that what Kash, Arwinder and

> Lalita experience is a figment of their imagination ……………..

> until the day comes when the SY him/her self can reach that stage

> where their Kundalini can effortlessly take them to the state of

> thoughtless awareness and beyond and they too can meet The

> AdiShakti in their Sahasrara.

>

 

Sri Bhavani (112th) Giver of Life to Universe.

 

Sri Lalita Sahasranama, C. Suryanarayana Murthy,

Associated Advertisers and Printers, 1989.)

 

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" Eight Stanzas to Bhavani (The Divine Feminine)

 

No father have I, no mother, no comrade, no son, no father have I,

no mother, no comrade, no son,

No daughter, no wife, and no grandchild, no servant or master, no

wisdom, no calling:

In Thee is my only haven and refuge, in Thee, my help and my

strength, O Bhavani!

 

Immersed as I am in the limitless ocean of worldly existence, I

tremble to suffer.

Alas! I am lustful and foolish and greedy, and ever enchained by the

fetters of evil:

In Thee is my only haven and refuge, In Thee, my help and my

strength, O Bhavani!

 

To giving of alms and meditation, to scriptures and hymns and

mantras, a stranger,

I know not of worship, possess no dispassion:

In Thee is my only haven and refuge, in Thee, my help and my

strength, O Bhavani!

 

Mother! Of pilgrimage or of merit, of mental control or soul's

liberation, of rigorous vow or devotion, I know not:

In Thee is my only haven and refuge, in Thee, my help and my

strength, O Bhavani!

 

Addicted to sinning and worthless companions, a slave to ill

thoughts and to doers of evil,

Degraded am I, unrighteous, abandoned, attached to ill objects,

adept in ill speaking:

In Thee is my only haven and refuge, in Thee, my help and my

strength, O Bhavani!

 

I know neither Brahma nor Vishnu nor Siva, nor Indra, sun, moon, or

similar being —

Not one of the numberless gods, O Redeemer!

In Thee is my only haven and refuge, in Thee, my help and my

strength, O Bhavani!

 

In strife or in sadness, abroad or in danger, in water, in fire, in

the wilds, on the mountains,

Surrounded by foes, my Saviour! Protect me:

In Thee is my only haven and refuge, in Thee, my help and my

strength, O Bhavani!

 

Defenceless am I — ill, aging, and helpless, enfeebled,

exhausted, and dumbly despairing,

Afflicted with sorrow, and utterly ruined:

In Thee is my only haven and refuge, in Thee, my help and my

strength, O Bhavani! "

 

Swami Nikhilananda, Self-Knowledge [Atmabodha], Ramakrishna-

Vivekananda Center, 1989, p. 182-3.