ORF-INTERVIEW LEBENSBILDER 9. July 1986, VIENNA

[Guest guest]

ORF-INTERVIEW "LEBENSBILDER"

9. July 1986, VIENNA

 

Shri Mataji: So you want me to talk about my life. It’s a

good thing, because I have to go for that interview in Italy,

it’s a good preparation I mean for that, because I really don’t

know what to say about my own life.

 

Interviewer: Can you speak about your whole life?

 

Shri Mataji: I’m a story teller (Shri Mataji laughs) It is

something like an autobiography.

 

Interviewer: Can you describe the circumstances during

your childhood?

 

Shri Mataji: I belong to a family of very enlightened

people. My father was a linguist and he was master of fourteen

languages. He knew about 26 languages and he translated even

Koransharif into Hindi language. My mother was in those days,

was a honours in mathematics. So both they were very

well-educated and enlightened people.

 

At the time of my birth my mother dreamed something which

she could not explain. But after that she had a great desire

to go and see a tiger in the open field. My father was a great

hunter, because tigers were a menace in the area where we were

living. It was a hill-station called Chindwara. So there was

a king who was very much interested in my father.

 

Somehow or another a letter came that there is a tiger,

very big tiger and they are frightened of him that he might be

a maneater. So my father took my mother and moved to that

place. And they were sitting in what we call as a Machan.

Where they built something for people to sit on top of a tree,

from where they can shoot nicely. And then my mother tells me

that a big huge tiger, of very big size, very beautifully

appeared on the field and she felt tremendous love for the

tiger.

 

It was a full moon day and she felt extremely

compassionate towards the tiger and when my father raised his

gun to shoot, she stopped and she wouldn’t allow him. The

tiger went away and he never came to that forest again.

 

But that made my father think, because he himself is a

realised soul. That must be somebody what we call a goddess

Durga, who is fond of the tiger must be born to my mother,

because the symptoms where rather funny that the lady should

like to see a tiger. So he told my mother: "Now are you

satisfied?" Because they were struggling with the gun. He

said: "Is there of Durga sitting in your womb, that you are

trying to protect a tiger?" She said: "Yes, yes stop it now, I

won’t allow you!".

 

Like that there were many incidents in my life, because I

am of a Christian family, Protestants and when I was born my

mother didn’t feel any labour-pains or anything just I was

born. She did not know how and I had no blood on my body,

nothing. I was clean washed that is why they called me as

Nirmala.

 

But my grandmother said that she should be called as

Nishkalanka. That means the one which has no spots on her.

But that is the name of a man. So they said alright we call

her Nirmala meaning the same - Immaculate.

 

Now all these incidents. And then my father, being a

realized soul, he felt tremendous vibrations from me and he

felt that this life is great and that she will do something

great in this life. I do not know why, but I don’t know if he

dreamed or he understood it, but all the time if I remember

when he talked to me, he used to say that: "You have to find

out the way of giving "en mass" realisation all the time.

 

As I told you, he was a great scholar of so many things

and a very wide read man, so he gave me a good education in

religion, in different religions, and also a good education

about human beings. What are their problems? Why did they act

like this? Why don’t they take to God? Why are they

hypocritical? All kind of things he talked to me.

 

He also knew about Kundalini. But not so much. Of course

when I was born, I knew all about Kundalini myself. I knew all

about it, from my very childhood. So I was a very aware person

- extremely aware. I did not know how to talk to, because -

you see - people did not have that awareness, you can’t talk to

everyone like that.

 

So I was regarded as a very joyful person at the same time

very serious also, very deep and then I started my studies as a

child. I was not very much interested in the studies, though I

used to do them very well. But I used to read lives of great

men and things like that.

 

At a very young age I read Bernard Shaw. When people were

reading their expectations I was reading Bernard Shaw. But as

such I did not have any interest in particular, in reading some

text books, because I thought they were childish and there was

nothing to be read about it. Then I told my father that I have

to do medicine. So he said: "Why?" I said: "Because I have to

talk to doctors." He said: "You have to talk to doctors?"

"Yes!", I said.

 

But it so happened in my childhood, when I was about 7

years of age. My father was a congressman, he had joined

congress when I was 4 years of age. He used to live with a

style very westernized - you see. He threw away everything and

became a real Indian and started leading a life of a martial.

Then he made us study our languages, Sanskrit he made us study

in an Indian school not in a missionary school.

 

Because missionary is very, very unkind. They threw us out

of the school, when my father was in the congress. They were

against us completely. Then at the age of seven years, I

happened to go with my father to Mahatma Gandhi. He was about

70 miles living with us. But the first time he took me down

and Mahatma Gandhi, he liked me very much. He said: "Leave

this child here!"

 

So I had not taken clothes or anything to stay there and

my father sent to me everything. And he was very fond of me.

But I was a little girl. But he understood that there was

something about me. He consulted me on very serious problems

sometimes, surprisingly. Like one day he wanted to make me a

prayer-book alright, so he asked me: "How should I put these

series and all that." So I told him, how to put the series and

he put the series in that way.

 

I used to go back for my school and again to go back to

Gandhiji. Every year like that. And he called me Nepali. He

gave me a name "Nepali". Everybody used to call me Nepali that

time. Then I grew up with him very intimately, he was a very,

very kind person for children.

 

Otherwise an extremely strict man, with himself and with

others, very strict. A big disciplined man. And he would make

everybody get up at 4 o’clock, have your baths everything be

ready for your morning prayers at 5 o’clock - you see - and he

used to walk very fast. I also learned walking fast with him.

In his company I had to walk fast.

 

And he had been extremely loving and a very nice person.

And he would listen to me, because I was a child. Supposing I

had forced him to eat more or something then he would have

laughed and accepted. Very kind person.

 

But with others, he was very strict and I used to tell him

that: "Why are you strict with them too much?" He said: "But

you are a little girl, you got up in the morning, why can’t

they get up?" I said: "I am little, that’s why I get up, they

are big, so they can’t get up." Like that you see a little

child.

 

Then my father went to jail and my mother also went to

jail five times. My father went to jail twice. Once for about

two and a half years and he was the only supporting member of

the family. By the way we came from a very old royal familiy,

which is called as Shalivahanas. They have a calender also in

India.

 

And then, when they took my father to jail we had to leave

our house and we had to live in huts and had all kind of

problems. But also me, they pestered a lot because I helped

many people there. I joined effort to movement and in a very

serious way I became the leader there. But we were young

people.

 

I thought unless and until I take a very positive stand,

it may not work out with them. It is not gracious to say how

they tortured me. What they did to me. But they really

tortured me. I was a young girl of nineteen years that time.

It is over now, so it is finished. After that my father went

to jail again and then when he came back, he got elected as the

member of the central assembly, later on as the constructor of

the assembly and then of the parliament.

 

My brother was also member of the parliament later on, now

recently he was the minister in the cabinet. Another brother

is a high-court judge in Bombay. They are all doing well

despite the fact, that our parents neglected us in a way,

because they gave their lives to the country, but that never

deterred as from studies and we came up very well.

 

When I was in 1942 two movement my college justicabled me

from the college and threw me out and I had to go to another

college to study far away from my house. Then I studied for

two years science. Then I did my medical. I didn’t do fully,

because just after that the 1947 riots broke out. So college

was closed and I did not want to know more, because what I

wanted to know, I think to know about it. So I did not need,

and I got married.

 

You must have heard my husband work is now the secretary

in general of the International Maritime Organisation. He held

very high positions. He was also secretary to Shastri who was

our prime minister, who was another very great man. But he did

not survive long. If he had survived things would have been

different, I think, for our country, because he was a Gandhian,

out and out Gandhian.

 

I mean he lived like an ideal Gandhian personality. So

that’s how my life went on. But inner being was still seeking

the way and methods of giving "en mass" realization.

 

My father said: "Before you do not develop this technique

of giving "en mass" realization do not talk about religion.

Let nobody know that you know anything about it, because they

will crucify you or...." He was rather worried that people

won’t understand, or you may write another Bible or Gita - no

use.

 

First of all you must give them realization. If they get

their realization then they will realize that there is

something about it, about this human awareness. For example,

he always used to give an analogy. Supposing we are born on

the tenth storey and everybody is on the ground. You must at

least make them climb two storeys so they know that there is

something above. Otherwise no use talking about it.

 

And he said: "This is the mistake between the saints and

the incarnations was, that they never realized that these

people are still on the ground. They have to still enter into

the medium. So that is what you have to be very careful that

first of all you must give realization to them."

 

So I was seeking the ways and methods, working it out

inside myself through my own style of meditation in the sense

that I would work out all the permutations and combinations and

when I met one person then I would see what problems that

person had, how you can overcome it, like that I would try to

study that person internally.

 

And I went to many people to find out, but I found they

were great hypocrites. I saw so many of these Gurus, most of

them. When I saw them, I was surprised they were all

hypocrites. Money making and also. I went to Rash Neesh also

to see him and he said that I should come to his program. I

did not know what sort of man, because he was talking about

Gita and I thought he might be knowing something about it.

 

I went there but my husband said: "No, I won’t allow you

to go to this program. So he arranged his own........ There I

could see all the things which were going on. And that is the

day somehow or another I said: "I must open the last chakra!"

So the last chakra was opened and I saw the Kundalini, which is

the primordial force within us, which is the Holy Ghost within

us, rising, like a telescope opening out. And then I saw the

whole thing open and a big torrential rain of beams started

flowing through my head all over.

 

I felt I am lost, I am no more, there it’s only the grace

is there, that is there. I saw it completely happening to me.

But I was amazed that when I went to Rash Neesh, because he

forgot even to say good bye, because he never realized what had

happened or anything, so I was surprised, I said: "This man

doesn’t know anything about God!" and then I discovered that

they are all hypocrites and they are telling lies.

 

So in 1970, 5th of May this happened and just after that

we had a very big lecture in Carnagy Hall. This is a very big

hall and thousands of people had come and I told them very

frankly that these are all thugs and hypocrites, some of them

are demonic, some are evil people. I told their names

everything. I told them: "Do not go near them!" There were

some foreigners also.

 

And there were so many others whom I told these things

very clearly and they got frightened. They said: "You should

not say like this. They will come and murder you." But nobody

did anything and nobody even went to the courts. And that’s

how they try to bring bad name to me. They paid money to the

newspapers to publish things against me, because I said: "You

cannot pay money!" So they thought that I was trying to harm

them by saying such a thing that you can’t take money in the

name of God.

 

If it is a job you can do it, but Gods work is not a job.

And the struggle started from the day I started giving

realization. And I started with one lady who got realization

first. Then we got about twelve people who got realization.

In two years got only about 14 people realization. Then

gradually when 14 people got realization then many others

started getting realization.

 

But I started also curing people, because that was helping

a lot. Then my husband got elected to this post and we had to

come to London.

 

So when I came to London we had one program. So the

Indians abroad are not so much interested in God, they are more

interested in money. So none of the Indians stayed there.

They all run away and only the foreigners who were there, were

about seven hippies and so I had to work on them - seven

hippies - for four years I was working on them to give them the

realization. They were difficult, their liver was bad, their

head was off, terrible time. But in between I used to go to

India.

 

And in India also the work was done. For three month

always I have been in India. So we started working in the

villages, specially surprisingly were my forefathers were

ruling in that area. There we started moving in a very big

way. And there then we started taking the people from India.

 

And some people came from Australia to India, like that

and the work started moving in those directions. Gradually the

work improved and people found that this is the way we can

transform ourselves. Many people were taking drugs, or

alcoholics or mad people all kinds of people. They felt better

and they got cured. It was established that Sahaja Yoga is

something very important.

 

Now, when I travel all over the world first my husband

used to pay for everything, wherever I went he had to pay - any

expenses he used to do for me. Gradually now this people pay

for my travel, but otherwise they do not have to pay for

anything else. That is how we started our work. There was lot

of opposition and the media-people would never understand it.

Because it was not such a sensation as you can say, nothing to

people feel exited but in a way it is a very great thing,

because this is the solution of the whole world, one should try

to do it.

 

Then we had very great people who came to Sahaja Yoga,

like we can say the main high court judge, who is now the

president, who has given Nicaragua some judgement and many

lawyers and even barrister. We have one barrister here from

Algeria and doctors and then they took over and they started

helping me out how to propagate Sahaja Yoga.

 

But it was a difficult task in the west. Of course in

India it is spreading very fast in the villages, but the city

people in India also the people are westernized and they will

start analysing. They don’t know much about our past, they

don’t know anything about our heritage that we have our

Kundalini.

 

But some people do know about selfrealization. But these

Gurus could not stick on in India because nobody would accept

them. So they all run away abroad. And that was something a

blessing for me also, because I did not have to fight them

there. And it started working out and then people found that

it helps in every way and they found so many miracles about it

and that’s how Sahaja Yoga was settled quite a lot.

 

But still I would say that we have not been to certain

countries so far and in the west, I would say that so much work

has to be done there, because as soon as you start any work in

any place first of all they want me to cure people and to help

them with cure. Now if I pay attention more to that then the

main work is to create doctors out of everyone that is

neglected then you become unpopular. They think: "Oh, she’s

not sympathetic", this and that.

 

But now as we have everybody can cure now everyone. I

don’t cure anyone directly. But they don’t like it, they want

I should be there and their ego to be pampered and all these

things are there, it’s rather difficult. We are not running

any lecture like we should please others, sort of things, not

that, but whatever is reality. If a person has intelligence,

pure intelligence, he can see that this is something very

different.

 

And for that one has to understand that you cannot force

on anyone that you get your realization in the same way you

cannot force me that I give you realization, because if does

not work, it does not work, it’s such a living force. And that

upsets them very soon. I feel that the way this industrial

revolution has come in the west. People have lost their

knowings perhaps they are so confused with all these gurus

coming down here confusing them and all kind of new things

coming. They don’t know where to look.

 

Unless and until you get your evolution completed. Unless

and until you reach that absolute state of understanding the

chaos will remain.

 

So one has to try to get to that. But one must

understand: You cannot pay for it. There is no effort. After

getting realization they feel so satisfied, they forget about

it. But after that you must know how to give it to others. As

Christ has said: "The light which is enlightened you do not put

it under the table!"

 

That’s how what happens that, though I give realization to

some hundred people, only out of them five, six will come

forward to help us out. But still I must say, a lot of work

has been done. Especially Austria. I am very proud of

Austria, and the way they have never given me any problem,

never - very good people have come out of Austria. Very

balanced, level headed people. Very level headed.

 

They are not extremists, they don’t go to extremes, so

there is no fanaticism about them. They are sensible people.

And something so lucky that Austria was found out. Because I

never expected that in Austria there will be so many people.

But somehow - like water finds it’s own level, Sahaja Yoga

finds its own level. We just come down to Austria. We haven’t

been to Norway, to Sweden, to Denmark, Finland. I visited

those places, because of my husbands job but I have not .......

 

Now we have sixteen centers in Australia. And Australia

is a very progressive Sahaja Yoga thing. We have got schools

now there. They are running schools and the teachers are

extremely well-behaved and visionaries and they look after the

children very well. The government people sent somebody for

observation and they have remarked that whatever they proclaim

that’s what they manifest. And they have given good

certificates to us.

 

But the greatest achievement on the outward life is this

that Cambridge University has accepted Sahaja Yoga for research

work with respect. By one doctor Lee who is doing the research

about Sahaja Yoga in Cambridge University - he is already

doctor. And there is another great thing has happened in Delhi

University that the Delhi University has accepted that a person

can do, only a doctor can do a P.H.D. of we can say a doctorat

in Sahaja Yoga and he gets the highest degree, called the

doctor of medicine. And perhaps after some time they will

allow anyone to do that. This is about the medicine part of

it.

 

In agriculture we have done lots of research by say, we

have somebody here, an expert of agriculture. He has also done

a lot of research and he found out that with vibrations he

started after realization. If you vibrate the water and if you

water the plants with that then sometimes you might get even

ten times more breed that’s what they did in India. In one of

the agriculture universities. But here also they found out

that there is tremendous difference between the growth of an

ordinary plant.

 

Another thing that I found out in agriculture that if you

give vibrations, then even an ordinary cow can give lot of

milk. But if you have hybrid cows than you see it’s not good

for the brain, because a person who takes hybrid milk also,

gets hybrid. I mean his brain gets little wobbly. So better

to have a pure milk from a cow which is not been put to this

kind of an experimentation.

 

Moreover food also, if you eat hybrid food it’s not very

good for us, for that spoils our nerves I think. But ordinary

seeds you cannot use, because they have weakened and they

cannot reproduce. So, when we vibrate them, they produce very

well, just like - better than even sometimes hybrid things and

the food tastes very well, and it doesn’t give those

complications.

 

So this can help in agriculture in India and the

government has allotied us a lot of land where we are going now

to experiment and we are going to start experimentation there

to show that how we can use this. But many farmers who are

Sahaja Yogis have done a lot of job and they have discovered

that even animals and this what you call farming, everything is

helped very much by vibrations.

 

So it improves the lives of people. We have on the other

side, social side, I can tell you that we have marriages,

international marriages. We arrange international marriages

between people, they have to know each other and they are

together and first of all they are together for one and half

month with us on the tour.

 

They can see each other and the marriages are fixed and we

have seen that such marriages are extremely successful. 99 %

marriages are successful. Once in a while maybe a mishap but

mostly there are no divorces that take place. Once in a while,

if it’s not successful we have no objections to divorce also.

 

But mostly they are successful and they get children who

are very intelligent and who are themselves born-realized

children mostly. So the problem is much less and the family

life improves. The quality of life is 1000 times better.

People are very joyous, happy, they do not complain and they

enjoy life and they give to others. They share what joy they

have.

 

Interviewer: What do you think are the important points in

the education of children? What is important to be given to

the children?

 

Shri Mataji: First if they get realization. If they are

already born realized no problem, but if they have been given

their realization then they will start to see things from a

different level. They become the Spirit. So their self

respect awakens. Such children behave in a very dignified

manner. They talk in a very elderly manner. They see

solutions of all kinds and they are tremendous beings. But we

have to guide them properly by our own behaviour.

 

How we behave, the greatest thing is how we behave that’s

how the children like. We put the children to some tests how

they are. We find out if they have any physical problems, we

cure them. If they have mental problems we cure them. If they

have any other problems, social problems or anything, we try to

help them out. So that basically if a human being is alright

in childhood then fundamentals are alright for the child.

 

The foundation is laid down then to build a child up in a

good quality is not difficult. So now we find like great

artists are there. There are great musicians. At a very young

age, they have started playing violin. I mean suddenly they

have become dynamic also and very humble. They are very humble

and selfrespected and very well behaved.

 

Surprising how the atmosphere is and how it works out.

And the other day a lady asked me about the women then I told

her that a womans power as a mother is very great. She felt

hurt about it and I did not mean that you should be just a

mother. She is a mother, means she is compassionate. She is

kind. She is not aggressive like men. That is a very big

quality that is a very big power in a woman, that’s what I was

suggesting. That that is what we have to have. Is not to

compete with men. This is Madness. To compete with men, and

to go about like that.

 

So we have to understand that life has to be enjoyable.

Life should be a blessing, not to be a misery. We create our

own miseries by these false ideas by our own conflictions, we

have in our mind mental projections we have in our mind or our

own obstinacy, whatever it is. All these things can be cured

if you take to Sahaja Yoga, because you become a balanced

person, level headed, mild person and you become a witness.

The whole thing becomes like a show, like a drama and you

become fearless, you start seeing the whole thing like a drama.

This is what a human being has to achieve.

 

We talk of peace, we talk of no war, we talk of many

things like this, atomic bomb, this and that. All that is not

going to work out. Only what is going to work out is the

transformation of human beings. If the human beings are

transformed things will work out absolutely first class. Not

only that, but that they will enjoy the bliss of life.

 

We are missing the point all together. This is a very

important thing that human beings must say one thing: "What

have you achieved out of all this?" Just for a minute to stop

and think.

 

Interviewer: What are the causes of illness?

 

Shri Mataji: The physical, mental, emotional, all

illnesses are caused by the imbalances that live within us. By

our extreme behaviour. And supposing, say now cancer. Cancer is

caused by the overactivity of the sympathetic nervous system.

Supposing a person is a very sad person, he cries and weeps and

all the time feels guilty and thinks he is the worst person

ever born. He has committed so many sins and all sorts of

nonsense. Then he goes to the left side, according to us, and

crosses over to the collective subconscious area and there,

according to us, what they call as Protein 58 and Protein 52.

 

Doctors call it that way, but we call it as the dead

souls. They exist there and they catch hold of you and they

trigger the cancer. But supposing by any chance you can bring

the attention fully away from that in the centre. You can get

cured. So it is the centres within us which are subtle, which

are basically seven centres. There are many others, but

basically seven. If you can put them right you cannot have any

sickness or illness of any kind.

 

Interviewer: Can you explain. You said, that your parents

supported you very much in your learning and in your studies?

Is it correct?

 

Shri Mataji: Yes, of course!

 

Interviewer: Is it normal that the parents support their

child in a form like this?

 

Shri Mataji: In India all parents support their child.

 

Interviewer: And you can learn everything what you want to?

 

Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, I mean that is true. But the basic

thing is: Parents are very benevolent to their children, very

kind to their children. And to them the childs education, the

childs upbringing and the childs life is very important.

That’s why we know they are so we depend on them, they look

after us and they are very wise people. They sacrifice

everything for us. So whatever they say, we think it’s nice

and by doing this, we have not lost anything so far.

 

In India if you find Indian children, when they came

abroad they always stop. They are very obedient children and

they behave very well. We don’t have all this problem.

Teenage-problem, homosexuality, we don’t know even these

problems. Because we are so close with the parents all the

time. They all the time watch us we don’t have drug problems.

None of these - only in the cities little bit it happens and it

disappears. Because parents are all the time with their

children. They live together, the whole family lives

together.

 

And not only with the parents, but all the relations and

all the people in the village and in the city everyone knows

each other. Such a joyful system we have, that we do not

normally fall, sort of go to wrong ways and methods and we do

not become obstinate also.

 

Interviewer: But you grew up in a Christian family! It’s

not a normal situation that Indian people are Christian?

 

Shri Mataji: Yes, I know, I was born in a Christian family

deliberately, because I personally think that protestants are

the greatest fanatics. They are very sophisticated, their

fanaticism is in their brain. Nobody can make them out that

they have fanaticism, that they are very great fanatics, the

greatest of all. But that times were very enlightened people

they understood Christ very well.

 

They say, I told you about Paul when I was ..... First

time I took the Bible in the hand and I asked my father: "Who

is this Paul?" He said: "It’s an imprudor, forget it, don’t

believe him at all." So they understood all these things very

well because my father was a realized soul like Khalil Gibran.

 

If you read Khalil Gibran he says the same thing about

Paul, the same thing. So if you are an enlightened person you

see the essence of everything. Whatever religion you are born,

you don’t ignore any other religion, you try to learn about

other religion and then you find the essence is the same in

every religion.

 

What is there to fight? And that’s how you belong to no

religion, you belong to every religion that’s what happens.

But my parents were very enlightened people I must say, and I

was very lucky to choose them as my parents.

 

Interviewer: You have been an enlightened child - is it

correct?

 

Shri Mataji: Yes, I have been born as an enlightened child.

 

Interviewer: You don’t feel sometimes very lonesome,

because all the others are different?

 

Shri Mataji: No, No. If you know how to share with

others. Actually I was like a mother to them from my very

childhood. When my father and mother went to jail, I was about

5 1/2 years of age. So I had all the duties of the house in my

little frock and I used to get all the duties like the

grandmother. I never felt lost. My life on the whole is very

collective on temperament I am extremely collective. I can

live anywhere, I can sleep anywhere and I can live in the

jungles, I have no problems or that I am extremely collective.

 

I was expressing my temperament from very childhood. I

was very friendly with all the people from that area where we

were living and my mother was known as Nirmalas mother. Father

was known as Nirmalas father. So they said: "We have lost our

identity because of her."

 

So I was a very friendly person. I never felt lonely and

when I am with myself I am never lonely at all. I enjoy myself

very much.

 

Interviewer: When you have been to that ashram with

Gandhi. What were your impression, you remember about Gandhi?

 

Shri Mataji: Oh, Gandhiji was a tremendous man and I used

to learn a lot from him. He was not at all hypocrite that’s

one thing. And he was not like politicians who say something

do something wrong. He was very outspoken and always he put

himself on the testing point. And he used to confess if he

made mistakes immediately. One very great incident I remember

when I was a small child. They were having a meeting together

and we girls were there sitting, only giving them water and

things to all the people. People were there like Jawaherlal

Nehru and Mollana Azad. All these people were sitting there.

They were discussing something and then suddenly Mahatmaji

Gandhiji said: "I was very late, we will have lunch here." So

they said: "Yes we will have lunch here."

 

They had to go to the guest house which was far away. So

Mahatmaji Gandhiji asked for "Baa". She had gone out. So he

got up, he had a key with him always of the store-room, he

opened the store and he asked the people who were in charge of

cooking to measure everything according to the people there

are, properly everything. And then they measured it out

everything was done.

 

Then he put the key back and then he went and sat there

nicely. So these people said: "Bapu, we did not know you have

to take so much troubles. You see to go all the way and

looking for her. It didn’t take much time, about 15 minutes,

but still. So he said: "What do you think?" This is the blood

of my country, I cannot allow it to be wasted.

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