Guest guest Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 Could we have the entire letter of the Muslim brother minus the sender's email address? We would be satisfied too. Regarding the following: > i am absolutely convinced that Shri Mataji's Message > of the Last Judgment and Resurrection cannot be challenged by any religious organization or individual. But despite Her assurance decades ago > that Her Truth will triumph few SYs ever had the > faith or conviction to announce it to all the nations. Even as the world continues to witness the destructive path of moral decadence and religious conflicts we SYs twiddle our thumbs and pretend we are doing our duty by fearlessly proclaiming the subtle system. The plain truth is that we SYs just cannot get out of our siege mentality. > We are just happy in our local collective caves where chieftains convince us to remain fearful that the public will flee from truth. It is a catch 22 situation that defies logic and common sense, let alone dharma. > The other day i had a talk with two long established SYs. Again this subject of the hypocritical stance taken by SYs was raised i.e. keeping the Last Judgment and Resurrection a secret from the public. Again the same collective answer came back: The public will flee. > i find this collective reason hypocritically repulsive and disgustingly adharmic. Maybe SYs should tell Shri Mataji not to declare the Last Judgment in public. It is high time we SYs start blaming Her for making the public flee from Sahaja Yoga for the last three decades, and take responsibility for the sad state of affairs, especially in North America. Maybe it would have been better if She had hoodwinked all of us with the subtle system, and then shocked everyone years later with the Last Judgment. But then isn't this the modus operandi of us SYs? Now i am getting confused. jagbir > Regarding the above: Well, you can't question or challenge the way She works. And coming from you, I find these words too strong. It would be almost anti SY. It is not advisable. The public will flee, but where will they flee if God is everywhere? We are happy in local collective, is true. We have a right to enjoy what She gave us, primarily because we deserve it due to our past good Karma, i don't see any sense in quibbing about something good. The reason why SY's do not announce it publicly except for people in their circle of acquaintance and around etc, is because it is Her work to do so, not yours and mine. She will do so when it is deemed fit by Her, not by you and me. I don't see any seige mentality in this, or the last thirty years. The Last Thirty years have been spent by Her in building up a foundation, a platform for other non Sahajayogis to jump in at the time the Last Judgement commences, because at that time it will be our duty to help and guide those who will be new. That is why SY centres are being established all over the place. Simultaneously, it gives us an opportunity to go in to the depths of truth. What you say amounts to self pity and disgust. I don't know why. Any Sahajayogi who does footsoaking and shoebeating twice a day should not have such bitterness and feelings. We do appreciate you being the owner of www.adishakti.org and compiling and transmitting large amounts of data, but I think a line of demarcation should be drawn which would help you to take on only that what is your responsibility and only that what you can handle. You are not responsible if the number of Sahajayogis do not increase despite our efforts. It would not be prudent to find faults in ourselves. That is something which we all can do without. You are going towards melancholy with this message, if it is yours, jagbir. You need to watch it. Acknowledge this email. Regards, Rajan Batra Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 shriadishakti , RAJAN BATRA <r_batra_2000> wrote: > > Could we have the entire letter of the Muslim brother > minus the sender's email address? We would be > satisfied too. > Assalamu Alaikum, " But there is a far, far sinister Evil that unite and drive the religious fanatics towards a common, cherished goal: " Islam must rule the world and until Islam does rule the world we will continue to sacrifice our lives, " Al-Badr spokesman Mustaq Aksari told CNN in an interview four months ago " Do you not agree with this?????? - It is a fundamental belief for a muslim that the islamic state must rule the world one day. Ive read the article on http://www.al-qiyamah.org/website_index.htm, and found that the writer is almost pro-american agenda, in some cases: " WTC may be a welcome wake-up call after all for the world, and may God help America triumph in its resolve to defeat the terrorists who stand behind this satanic perversion of Islam. " Im not saying i agree with 9/11, but how can one agree/disagree... when one does not, and will not, know the full facts and circumstances that led to it. And the Taliban, Al_ Qaeda, ..... are " terrorists " ?? or Mujahids. Wasalam > > Regarding the following: > > > i am absolutely convinced that Shri Mataji's Message > > of the Last Judgment and Resurrection cannot be > challenged by any religious organization or > individual. But despite Her assurance decades ago > > that Her Truth will triumph few SYs ever had the > > faith or conviction to announce it to all the > nations. Even as the world continues to witness the > destructive path of moral decadence and religious > conflicts we SYs twiddle our thumbs and pretend we > are doing our duty by fearlessly proclaiming the > subtle system. The plain truth is that we SYs just > cannot get out of our siege mentality. > > > We are just happy in our local collective caves > where chieftains convince us to remain fearful that > the public will flee from truth. It is a catch 22 > situation that defies logic and common sense, let > alone dharma. > > > The other day i had a talk with two long established > SYs. Again this subject of the hypocritical stance > taken by SYs was raised i.e. keeping the Last Judgment > and Resurrection a secret from the public. > > Again the same collective answer came back: The > public will flee. > > > i find this collective reason hypocritically > repulsive and disgustingly adharmic. Maybe SYs should > tell Shri Mataji not to declare the Last Judgment in > public. It is high time we SYs start blaming Her for > making the public flee from Sahaja Yoga for the last > three decades, and take responsibility for the sad > state of affairs, especially in North America. Maybe > it would have been better if She had hoodwinked all of > us with the subtle system, and then shocked everyone > years later with the Last Judgment. But then isn't > this the modus operandi of us SYs? Now i am getting > confused. > > jagbir > > > > Regarding the above: > > Well, you can't question or challenge the way She > works. And coming from you, I find these words too > strong. It would be almost anti SY. It is not > advisable. > Rajan, you are confusing my acidic humor as anti-SY, or almost. In a way i am also telling you how hypocritical it would have been had Shri Mataji hidden the truth what Sahaja Yoga is really all about. If She had been afraid that seekers will flee no mention of the Last Judgment would have been made by Her in public. Incidentally SYs seem to think they have a better finger of the public pulse than Her. But i am glad that i learnt Sahaja Yoga is about the Last Judgment from Her right from the beginning. If after learning about the subtle system for weeks/months and then some SY had said it is actually all about the Last judgment i would have been disgusted with that deception to get me into Sahaja Yoga. For me Truth is a virtue and not a vice. > > The public will flee, but where will they flee if God > is everywhere? > The public does not flee from public programs due to any announcement about the Last Judgment. They just leave for reasons that reflect the lack of attraction to Sahaja Yoga and other good grounds. We have beensweeping all these problems under the carpet. It is time to take out this dirt and examine it in detail. Perhaps we will learn to improve our method of spreading Sahaja Yoga. (You think that could be one of the reasons the World Council has been set up by Her?) > > We are happy in local collective, is true. We have a > right to enjoy what She gave us, primarily because we > deserve it due to our past good Karma, i don't see any > sense in quibbing about something good. > Yes, Rajan, you are Her devotee by reason of your glorious past lives. i have no doubts about this regarding all SY brothers and sisters. They are all Her devotees since ages and right now they are enjoying the blessings of previous rebirths lived righteously. i am not quibbling about this great souls who deserve every blessings, just questioning their perception of dharma. > > The reason why SY's do not announce it publicly except > for people in their circle of acquaintance and around > etc, is because it is Her work to do so, not yours and > mine. She will do so when it is deemed fit by Her, not > by you and me. > This announcement is DEFINITELY our work now, not Hers anymore. She has done all Her work and has left it entirely to us to carry Her Message to all humanity. It find this ignorance disturbing. She is past 80-years-old and yet you want Her to continue announcing. What is your solution when She leaves earth? > > I don't see any siege mentality in this, or the last > thirty years. > It is a siege mentality because SYs have been afraid of adverse public reaction should Her identity and Message of the Last Judgment be made public. There is no way you can deny this because it is based on my personal experience. i have just proven over the last few years with the websites that this unreasonable fear is a figment of their imagination. And if you are the son or daughter of the valiant Durga Maa, why should there be any reason to be alarmed? > > The Last Thirty years have been spent by Her in > building up a foundation, a platform for other non > Sahajayogis to jump in at the time the Last Judgement > commences, because at that time it will be our duty to > help and guide those who will be new. > Agreed in all aspects. > > That is why SY centres are being established all over > the place. Simultaneously, it gives us an opportunity > to go in to the depths of truth. > Right again, but the depths of truth is to reach the Nirvikalpa state and go beyond. i do not see how an obsession with catches, bhoots and badhas is going to help. Such minor problems should have been overcome within a few weeks or months. Battling them for years is a sign of little progress. > > What you say amounts to self pity and disgust. > > I don't know why. > i am not self-pitying myself. Why should that be so in the first place? Self-pity means " pity for oneself; especially a self-indulgent dwelling on one's own sorrows or misfortunes. " Can it be that i have a reason to introspect on collective problems and seek/initiate a way out of the stagnancy? Yes, i am disgusted that Sahaja Yoga is peddled as a subtle system gizmo. i will never compromise on this duty to uphold truth at all times, especially if it from the Adi Shakti Herself. > > Any Sahajayogi who does footsoaking and shoebeating > twice a day should not have such bitterness and > feelings. > i guarantee you that Shri Mataji has told SYs not to footsoak for years. It is just like taking antibiotics for years when apparently the body has its own immune system. i know that the Mother Kundalini, just like the immune system, takes cares of subtle system problems and there is no need of daily foot-soaking or shoe-beating. Foot-soak if you have a major problem. Don't foot-soak if your little pinkie has a slight catch. And discussing about problems that concern/plague Sahaja Yoga is not due to " bitterness " and " feelings " . At least we can be frank to admit them in the first place and perhaps find solutions. > > We do appreciate you being the owner of > www.adishakti.org and compiling and transmitting large > amounts of data, but I think a line of demarcation > should be drawn which would help you to take on only > that what is your responsibility and only that what > you can handle. > My responsibility to to spread Shri Mataji's message of the Last Judgment and Resurrection. Unlike talking only about the subtle system this is a rather heavy responsibility. > > You are not responsible if the number of Sahajayogis > do not increase despite our efforts. > You reap what you sow. > > It would not be prudent to find faults in ourselves. > That is something which we all can do without. > To point out our faults is not a crime or insult, although fragile egos do get bruised. Maybe that is one of the reasons for our poor past harvests. > > You are going towards melancholy with this message, if > it is yours, jagbir. You need to watch it. > i am not afraid to speak my mind. If you sense some depression there it just reflects the state of Sahaja Yoga today. i want to see the Adi Shakti triumph BEFORE Her departure. i have good reason to be unhappy with the pace of progress and the selling of God's truth as the subtle system. i know history will be judge us harshly for our lack of urgency and conviction. Thus even if i have to stand alone i will. Even if i get thrown out of Sahaja Yoga i will go most willingly. i have already made my position clear previously. But i will never compromise with the truth that Sahaja Yoga is the Last Judgment, and not the subtle system being projected to the public! > > Acknowledge this email. > jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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