Suggestion (and sanity) needed.

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shriadishakti , " jagbir singh "

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> shriadishakti , " SINGH, RAJEEV KUMAR

(RAJEEV) "

> <rksingh@l...> wrote:

> > Jai Shri Mataji Dear Nitin Ji, Buket ji,

> >

> > Thanks for your valuable comments. My personal feeling is that

> > the main job of the Sahaja Yogis today is to become instrument of

> > love, to give realization to people. We can not force people to

> > have their self realization, it all depends on the desire and

> > seeking in them. So the way I have been working is to tell

> > people about what subtle system is, what shri Kundalini is and

> > what self realization means, what we really are. Once they get

> > self realization, it depends on their desire to ascend in Sahaja

> > Yoga. What I have observed is a very few people really understand

> > what self realization is and continue after self realization.

> >

> > I have been following up with people because my feeling is if I

> > call a person who got self realization and for some reasons he is

> > not continuing and my just calling or talking helps him what's

> > wrong in it. If people just take me casually that's also fine. So

> > even if I keep on saying that this is the time of last judgment,

> > until they get their self realization, it is of no use because

> > emancipation of humanity can only be achieved through Self

> > realization and meditation. Once a person starts settling in it

> > they will automatically come to know who Shri Mataji is really.

> > So I am announcing that this is time of last judgment or

> > resurrection but not just to any body. When we go to give

> > realization we have to tell a little bit about Sahaja yoga, what

> > we are going to achieve (that is to become spirit), and we do

> > talk about that Sahaja Yoga is not new, it is there in bible,

> > Quran or Gita. We talk about the last judgment that your hands

> > will speak, we do talk about cool breeze. That all is there but

> > we have to understand one thing when we go to new people we have

> > to keep in mind we are not talking to Sahaja yogis. This is my

> > exp. of being in Sahaja Yoga. Also we meet people of different

> > intellect so need to talk to them differently while objective

> > remains the same which is self realization. Appreciate your

> > valuable comments on this topic.

> >

> > Jai Shri Mataji!

> >

> > Rajeev Singh

> >

> >

>

>

> Dear Rajeevji,

>

> Thank you so much for this observation. Yes, very few understand

> what self-realization is. Even most SYs do not REALLY understand

> it. Have they realized their self? What is it actually? Can someone

> explain to me what SYs really mean by that? All i know is that it

> connects us to our Self. After that it is just Silence. The Self is

> beyond the grasp of comprehension ............. way beyond. It

> is just Silence, the thoughtless state that will unravel the

> mysteries of the Self. So how do you explain the Self? Nobody has

> been able to do since time immemorial and nobody ever can. It is

> your own personal experience which takes a long time to manifest,

> the true goal being the Nirvikalpa state and beyond. (How many SYs

> have achieved this level?)

>

 

 

Atman: The Innermost Self

 

We as individuals are also a part of this changing universe. Our

bodies are constantly undergoing change, while our minds, formed of

thoughts and feelings, are also in a state of flux. According to

Vedânta, however, our self consists of more than mind and body. At

its core lies the unchanging âtman, our innermost, transcendental

self, as opposed to the material self (our body, thoughts, and

feelings) that is part of the universe. The âtman is our true

self. But we lose sight of it because of our passionate involvement

with our material self and its search for happiness in this universe.

The universe can never provide perfect and permanent happiness,

however, because it, like our material self, is in a state of

constant flux. We attain true happiness only through an awareness of

our âtman and the discovery of its true relationship with Brahman.

 

By achieving awareness of our âtman and its unity with Brahman, we

attain not only happiness, but also moksha, or liberation. But

liberation from what? At one level, the liberation is from

unhappiness, but the answer provided by Vedânta Hinduism goes

deeper: Moksha is liberation from a chain of lives.

 

Samsâra: The Chain of Lives

 

We normally think of ourselves as coming into being when we are born

of our parents and as perishing when we die. According to Hinduism,

however, this current life is merely one link in a chain of lives

that extends far into the past and projects far into the future. The

point of origin of this chain cannot be determined. The process of

our involvement in the universe—the chain of births and

deaths—is called samsâra.

 

Samsâra is caused by a lack of knowledge of our true self and our

resultant desire for fulfillment outside ourselves. We continue to

embody ourselves, or be reborn, in this infinite and eternal universe

as a result of these unfulfilled desires. The chain of births lets us

resume the pursuit. The law that governs samsâra is called karma.

Each birth and death we undergo is determined by the balance sheet of

our karma—that is, in accordance with the actions performed and

the dispositions acquired in the past.

 

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761555715_2/Hinduism.html

 

 

So by this Hindu belief moksa and freedom from Samsara is offered by

the Adi Shakti to all. In this world ever descending into the chaos

of Kali Yuga She has come to enlighten humanity, offering the deepest

secrets of the Sanatana Dharma in the form of the Last Judgment and

Al-Qiyamah to all His children.

 

SYs think they can give self-realization and then teach those who

stay about the Last Judgment. The sad fact is that 99.999% leave

before there is any chance of them hearing about the Last Judgment

and Resurrection. The vast majority have thus left without this

crucial information. This has been a colossal costly mistake yet to

be acknowledged by the rank and file. And yet we retain this

unsustainable belief, despite years of countless failures, that we

should still continue to give just self-realization without the

truth. If this is not lack of common sense and wisdom, then what is?

 

i am absolutely convinced that many would have stayed on if told

about what is actually taking place on Earth. i myself am in Sahaja

Yoga ONLY because of the Last Judgment, nothing else. i am not the

least interested in the subtle system, chakras, kundalini, nadis etc.

Moreover, i know plenty of subtle system salesmen/women who sell

irresistible products at great discounts. So do 99.999% of the people

who have left Sahaja Yoga. Isn't it time to start blaming ourselves

for failure and not finding exotic excuses for all that ails Sahaja

Yoga, and the utter lack of public interest? As said before, we reap

what we sow. i am sure by now it is clear that the subtle system

seeds have brought endless seasons of extremely poor harvests. Aren't

we impoverished enough?

 

 

jagbir