[shriadishakti] Ask About Mantra - but do not ask ask about lemon and chillies!

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<Dear Jagbir,

<Ý can't believe that how can you say Sahaja

Treatment's unnecessery...

<but what i learn that if Adi Shakti doesn^t give

permissison you never could apply treatments...

<As you said you never clean your substle sytstem

mechanic treatments it is true but delivering

everything Adi Shakti and you can apply that

treatments easily cause that time i make treatments

but not for i want only she makes me apply that

treatments...

<our friends and friends say make this ,that butmy

progress generaly i couldn't apply that time cause i

am not enough ready .( but good thing i learnt whole

treatments from them )

<after deep meditation and delivering everything Adi

Shakti ( Shri MAataji Nirmala Devi) i apply treatments

spoýntonously and i feel me better and better...

<WHOLE MY PRAY ÝS NOWADAYS " Pls Mother give

permission Whole people in the world understand you..)

ÝF YOU DOESN'T GÝVE PERMÝSSÝON AS A PEOPLE WE NEVER

UNDERSTAND YOU...pLS NEVER GÝVE PERMÝSSÝON EVERYTHÝNG

ÝS GO ON AS A BEGÝNÝNG OF UNÝVERSE... pLS CHANGE OUR

UNDERSTANDÝNG CAPACÝTY...

<JSM

 

 

<adishakti_org wrote:

> shriadishakti , " jagbir singh "

>

> <adishakti_org> wrote:

> > shriadishakti , " Sidin

> Ekaputra " <nshi@d...>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Jagbir,

> > >

> > > Thanks you very much..this list of mantra very

> help me.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> >

> >

> > Dear Sidin Ekaputra,

> >

> > Since you are new to Sahaja Yoga i really want to

> caution you

> > against paying attention to the so-called cures

> invented by SYs

> > over the years. This precautionary measure comes

> from my concern

> > that one day you may start attending the

> collective and be

> > overwhelmed by the unnecessary attention and

> detail paid to so-

> > called diseases of the subtle system.

> >

> > i have just come across an email from a confused

> SY, whom i believe

> > has spent many years in Sahaja Yoga, trying to

> give advise to

> > others:

> >

> > " My understanding is that the chillis are for the

> left side and the

> > lemons are for the right side. Is this correct? "

> >

> > i really appreciate SY Hania's response:

> >

> > " Thank you Joshua and Amar for enligthing this

> question. It was

> > really a big confusion about lemon and chili

> workings - since the

> > time of Mother's speech new mental ideas came

> about this topic.

> > Really misleading. "

> >

> >

>

> i forgot to add that the date of Shri Mataji's

> speech refered above

> is 24.05.1981 made at Chelsham Road, London, UK.

>

> So we have more than two decades of misleading

> innovations and

> inventions by SYs. With so much energy and time

> spent in concocting

> novel cures for all sorts of subtle diseases,

> probably more petty

> than serious, who has the energy left to learn about

> the knowledge

> necessary to present the Last Judgment and

> Resurrection to humanity?

>

> jagbir

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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>Dear Jagbir,

>Although i believe you are honest but sometimes you

shocked me your some statements..

>Treatments are our weapons against to negativities

and we must apply what we need ...cause i am not a

sahajasitit, i am not gunatit...and i need

treatments...( how can you say they are unnecesesery

to beginers)

>we apply treatments under meditation situation not

mechanic but at begining for learning we made them

mechanic....How can you say treatments are unnecesery

i couldn't understand... Our Treatments book whole

cure technichs and how can wee apply them are

written...And that book published the permission of

Shri mataji Nirmala Devi. and Ýn Sahaja hospital they

are applied by doctors to Sahaja Yogis...Your ideas

remind me some ex Sahaja yogi friends statements.They

say also meditation is unnecesesery and we are always

connect with god without meditation "

>as you know we don't do nothing, everything has been

made by Adi Shakti so i pray Adi Shakti " make people

close Sahaja Yoga , change them , make whole people in

the world as a Sahaja Yogi, make them see the truth

and give permission to understand who you are really "

 

--- jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote:

> shriadishakti , buket ak

> <buketak2000>

> wrote:

> > <Dear Jagbir,

> > <Ý can't believe that how can you say Sahaja

> > Treatment's unnecessery...

> > <but what i learn that if Adi Shakti doesn^t give

> > permissison you never could apply treatments...

> > <As you said you never clean your substle sytstem

> > mechanic treatments it is true but delivering

> > everything Adi Shakti and you can apply that

> > treatments easily cause that time i make

> treatments

> > but not for i want only she makes me apply that

> > treatments...

> > <our friends and friends say make this ,that butmy

> > progress generaly i couldn't apply that time cause

> i

> > am not enough ready .( but good thing i learnt

> whole

> > treatments from them )

> > <after deep meditation and delivering everything

> Adi

> > Shakti ( Shri MAataji Nirmala Devi) i apply

> treatments

> > spoýntonously and i feel me better and better...

> > <WHOLE MY PRAY ÝS NOWADAYS " Pls Mother give

> > permission Whole people in the world understand

> you..)

> > ÝF YOU DOESN'T GÝVE PERMÝSSÝON AS A PEOPLE WE

> NEVER

> > UNDERSTAND YOU...pLS NEVER GÝVE PERMÝSSÝON

> EVERYTHÝNG

> > ÝS GO ON AS A BEGÝNÝNG OF UNÝVERSE... pLS CHANGE

> OUR

> > UNDERSTANDÝNG CAPACÝTY...

> > <JSM

> >

> >

>

>

> Hi Buket,

>

> What i am saying is that all this mechanical and

> obsessive

> application of treatments and cures for petty

> catches and physical

> problems are unnecessary. Just forget them! What is

> the point of

> meditating on the Adi Shakti for years when you

> still need a kilo of

> chillies every week? What progress is this? Are your

> type of SYs

> going to pass on the same 'knowledge' to new seekers

> like Sidin

> Ekaputra?

>

> Please read Shri Mataji's advice on meditation and

> the utmost

> importance of establishing your thoughtless

> awareness state. You can

> buy all the chillies and lemons available at your

> local market but

> you will NEVER grow in Sahaja Yoga until and unless

> you establish

> your thoughtless state.

>

>

> " So first you become thoughtlessly aware. Then the

> growth of

> spirituality starts after thoughtless awareness, not

> before - one

> should know that.

>

> On a rational plane you cannot grow in Sahaja Yoga.

> So first thing

> is to establish your thoughtless awareness. Still

> you might feel

> little chakra blockages here and there - forget it.

> Just forget it.

>

> Now start your surrendering. Now if a chakra is

> catching, you should

> say, " Mother, I surrender this to you. " Instead of

> doing any of

> these things you can just say that. . . . if there

> are any thoughts

> coming in to you or any chakra catching, just

> surrender. And you see

> that the chakras are cleared up. . . . You'll find

> out most of your

> chakras will clear out in the meditation. "

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi (Nirmala Yoga Jan-Feb 1984)

>

>

> i do not know which foolish SY(s) have been teaching

> you that " if Adi

> Shakti doesn't give permissison you never could

> apply treatments. " If

> that is what you have been led to believe i wonder

> what fertile

> nonsense other SYs are capable of inventing. Is this

> what your

> collective believes: " that if Adi Shakti doesn't

> give permissison

> you never could apply treatments " ? No wonder some

> SYs are stuck at a

> mental level of confusion, fear and falsehood.

>

> And what do you mean by " Mother give permission

> Whole people in the

> world understand you " ? Shri Mataji has tirelessly

> spent the last

> three decades trying to put sense into the minds of

> humans. She has

> attended hundreds of public programs all over the

> world just to

> emancipate society, even at an advanced age. And you

> still want Her

> to give permission???!!!!

>

> i rest my case,

>

> jagbir

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear Shri Jagbirji,

 

In this context, could you kindly throw some light on foot-soaking? Is it really necessary? Is meditation the only method sufficient to attain thoughtless awareness?

 

Kindly enlighten.

 

Regards,

Manoj

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On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 jagbir singh wrote :

>shriadishakti , buket ak <buketak2000>

>wrote:

>> <Dear Jagbir,

>> <Ý can't believe that how can you say Sahaja

>> Treatment's unnecessery...

>> <but what i learn that if Adi Shakti doesn^t give

>> permissison you never could apply treatments...

>> <As you said you never clean your substle sytstem

>> mechanic treatments it is true but delivering

>> everything Adi Shakti and you can apply that

>> treatments easily cause that time i make treatments

>> but not for i want only she makes me apply that

>> treatments...

>> <our friends and friends say make this ,that butmy

>> progress generaly i couldn't apply that time cause i

>> am not enough ready .( but good thing i learnt whole

>> treatments from them )

>> <after deep meditation and delivering everything Adi

>> Shakti ( Shri MAataji Nirmala Devi) i apply treatments

>> spoýntonously and i feel me better and better...

>> <WHOLE MY PRAY ÝS NOWADAYS " Pls Mother give

>> permission Whole people in the world understand you..)

>> ÝF YOU DOESN'T GÝVE PERMÝSSÝON AS A PEOPLE WE NEVER

>> UNDERSTAND YOU...pLS NEVER GÝVE PERMÝSSÝON EVERYTHÝNG

>> ÝS GO ON AS A BEGÝNÝNG OF UNÝVERSE... pLS CHANGE OUR

>> UNDERSTANDÝNG CAPACÝTY...

>> <JSM

>>

>>

>Hi Buket,

>What i am saying is that all this mechanical and obsessive

>application of treatments and cures for petty catches and physical

>problems are unnecessary. Just forget them! What is the point of

>meditating on the Adi Shakti for years when you still need a kilo of

>chillies every week? What progress is this? Are your type of SYs

>going to pass on the same 'knowledge' to new seekers like Sidin

>Ekaputra?

>Please read Shri Mataji's advice on meditation and the utmost

>importance of establishing your thoughtless awareness state. You can

>buy all the chillies and lemons available at your local market but

>you will NEVER grow in Sahaja Yoga until and unless you establish

>your thoughtless state.

> " So first you become thoughtlessly aware. Then the growth of

>spirituality starts after thoughtless awareness, not before - one

>should know that.

>On a rational plane you cannot grow in Sahaja Yoga. So first thing

>is to establish your thoughtless awareness. Still you might feel

>little chakra blockages here and there - forget it. Just forget it.

>Now start your surrendering. Now if a chakra is catching, you should

>say, " Mother, I surrender this to you. " Instead of doing any of

>these things you can just say that. . . . if there are any thoughts

>coming in to you or any chakra catching, just surrender. And you see

>that the chakras are cleared up. . . . You'll find out most of your

>chakras will clear out in the meditation. "

>Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi (Nirmala Yoga Jan-Feb 1984)

>i do not know which foolish SY(s) have been teaching you that " if Adi

>Shakti doesn't give permissison you never could apply treatments. " If

>that is what you have been led to believe i wonder what fertile

>nonsense other SYs are capable of inventing. Is this what your

>collective believes: " that if Adi Shakti doesn't give permissison 

>you never could apply treatments " ? No wonder some SYs are stuck at a

>mental level of confusion, fear and falsehood.

>And what do you mean by " Mother give permission Whole people in the

>world understand you " ? Shri Mataji has tirelessly spent the last

>three decades trying to put sense into the minds of humans. She has

>attended hundreds of public programs all over the world just to

>emancipate society, even at an advanced age. And you still want Her

>to give permission???!!!!

>i rest my case,

>jagbir

>