Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 Dear Shri Jagbirji, Thank you very much for the complete enlightenment provided by you.....may God Bless You..... Regards, Manoj ------ On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 jagbir singh wrote : >shriadishakti , " Manoj " <map5166@r...> wrote: >> >> Dear Shri Jagbirji, >> >> In this context, could you kindly throw some light on foot- >> soaking? Is it really necessary? Is meditation the only method >> sufficient to attain thoughtless awareness? >> >> Kindly enlighten. >> >> Regards, >> Manoj >> >Dear Manoj, >Foot-soak ONLY if are having serious subtle system problems or severe >catches. Foot-soaking also aids the Mother Kundalini as it makes you >focus your attention on the problem and its cause. The basis for foot- >soaking must be to clear serious lingering problems. Do not foot-soak >just for petty catches as just your attention during meditation will >clear it - i assure you it will work! >You may also foot-soak every few weeks/months just to keep your >subtle system in good condition. This is recommended until you are >able to use the thoughtless state to overcome ALL obstacles and >problems. >Sahaja Yoga is a joy of living, not a daily conditioning to perform >rituals for the sake of having a catch-free personality. This >probable may never be achieved because even passing a negative person >can cause catche(s) to manifest. >i experience these petty catches nearly everyday when i visit the >nearby supermarket and humans pass me by. But the Mother Kundalini >immediately clears them after a few seconds, if not minutes. There >has been absolutely no need to foot-soak because i leave it all to >the Mother Kundalini within me. i have intentionally surrendered all >to the Mother Kundalini because i dislike rituals which are nothing >more than 'forced attention' to rectify a problem. It is far better >and easier to heal by being thoughtlessly aware and leaving it to the >Mother Kundalini. >i believe that Shri Mataji's early 80's intentions have, like bhoots >and badhas, just spun out of control. SYs have turned Her subtle >system knowledge and brief notes on catches into elaborate patented >cures that continue to defy common sense and logic. That probably is >the reason why Shri Mataji, after Her initial advise in 1981, had to >gently caution in 1983 that " if a chakra is catching, you should say, >'Mother, I surrender this to you.' Instead of doing any of these >things you can just say that. " >Those with common sense will immediately understand that Her advise >against " doing any of these things " has today become an fixation, >especially with the Yuvashakti. The only way to stop " doing any of >these things " - lemons, chillies, candle burning, matka, burning >pieces of negativity written on paper, foot-soak, ajwan, stuffing >ghee into nostrils etc., - is to become thoughtless aware. You Manoj >should believe Shri Mataji when She says that we SYs will " find out >most of your chakras will clear out in the meditation. " That means >even giving up the ritual of foot-soaking ..................... >unless you are having serious problems. It is simple as that. >Give up all these kindergarten toys that many SYs continue to play >with and learn how to be thoughtless. Become your own master and >start walking towards that mountain in the distance. Then you will >know that only the mediocre foot-soak because they have yet to begin >the real journey to attain moksa! When you climb to the top you will >reach that Turiya state that extremely few SYs have attained. >jagbir > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 shriadishakti , " Manoj " <map5166@r...> wrote: > > Dear Shri Jagbirji, > > Thank you very much for the complete enlightenment provided by you.....may God Bless You..... > > Regards, > Manoj IMHO in the previous mails about SY treatments , everyone has been " right " in their own way in what they are saying. The reason I believe Jagbir is so strong against the treatments is that quite a number (or quite a number who are vocal) have made it a daily routine almost to the point that they cannot step out of home thinking that without doing it otherwise bhoots & badhas & negativities will pounce on them.Even the doctors in SYIH, Belapur mentioned about this unnecessary " fear " among SYogi/nis. The other " problem " is focusing on so and so treatment for so and so problem and having so many " self created treatments " – has Mother not said that She is the greatest healer and have faith in Her.Ever wondered why people have been in SY for so long but they still come down with major problems(physical , mental financial etc) – I find it difficult to believe that it should happen to a SYogi/ni who meditates regularly with sharda(not mechanically) and lives according to Mother's definition of a SYogi/ni. Then there is the self created treatments and also self created rules/instructions to Mother's original treatment methods. I still remember an episode where I was accompanying my wife to the new classes middle of last year – that day we had finished footsoaking and there was long queue to throw the " footsoaked saltwater " into the WC and I decided to throw it in the kitchen sink – suddenly I saw a facilitator rushing towards me and saying No!No!No! Not allowed to throw in the empty kitchen sink.I did not know why and neither did she but obeyed her instructions – to all around me it looked that I had done a big blunder.I got my chance to check this at SYIH, Belapur and the doctor told me there is nothing wrong as long as flushed with normal water after discarding the saltwater. Another episode was the " tonguelashing " by a SYogi I got for wearing Mother's pendant using a black thread – happened at the shores of Ganapatipule in 1997.At the end of it I felt as if I had committed a crime and so had my Malaysian collective(for not informing me – not that I ever blamed for it) for wearing Mother's pendant using a black thread.I never bothered to find out but I did change it to gold. Many more episodes of different styles of holding the shoe when shoebeating, bandhan for every small desire – some say only when necessary, etc etc " Now if a chakra is catching, you should say, " Mother, I surrender this to you. " Instead of doing any of these things you can just say that. . . . if there are any thoughts coming in to you or any chakra catching, just surrender. And you see that the chakras are cleared up. . . . You'll find out most of your chakras will clear out in the meditation. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi (Nirmala Yoga Jan-Feb 1984) We have to go back to Mother's teachings always for the truth and our bearings when in doubt I still footsoak – never twice daily since leaving Belapur and sometimes not even daily but I still feel footsoaking is important to me and helpful.If one day I can do without it and still keep growing I will stop footsoaking.But right now I feel I need to footsoak and at the same time I am consciously aware that I must not make it a rigorous routine.Sahaja Yoga emphasises spontaneity. None of us can stop some people from mastering the art of chilli & lemon treatment, some ajwan , some shoebeating some all of it etc etc but the most important thing is meditating daily consistently and having total faith in Shree Mataji and your Kundalini.The rest come a very distant second IMHO. Since the original advise of Mother may be misinterpreted , the other important thing is we must never lose is the ability to question and criticize constructively. This we must always do when we feel something which is said/written by someone which is not quite right about Mother or Her advise and I leave you with this story. Jai Shree Mataji balwinder Put eight monkeys in a room. In the middle of the room is a ladder, Leading to a bunch of bananas hanging from a hook on the ceiling. Each time a monkey tries to climb the ladder, all the monkeys are Sprayed with iced water, which makes them miserable. Soon enough, whenever a monkey attempts to climb the ladder, all of the other monkeys, not wanting to be sprayed, set upon him and beat him up. Soon, none of the eight monkeys ever attempts to climb the ladder. One Of the original monkeys is then removed, and a new monkey is put in the room.Seeing the bananas and the ladder, he wonders why none of the other monkeys are doing the obvious, but, undaunted, he immediately begins to climb the ladder. All the other monkeys fall upon him and beat him silly. He has no idea why. However, he no longer attempts to climb the ladder. A second original monkey is removed and replaced. The newcomer again attempts to climb the ladder, but all the other monkeys hammer the crap out of him. This includes the previous new monkey, who, grateful that he's not on the receiving end this time, participates in the beating because all the other monkeys are doing it. However, he has no idea why he's attacking the new monkey. One by one, all the original monkeys are replaced. Eight new monkeys Are now in the room. None of them has ever been sprayed by iced water. None of them attempts to climb the ladder. All of them will enthusiastically beat up any new monkey who tries, without having any idea why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2004 Report Share Posted April 3, 2004 shriadishakti , " dr_balwinder " <dr_balwinder> wrote: > shriadishakti , " Manoj " <map5166@r...> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Jagbirji, > > > > Thank you very much for the complete enlightenment provided by > you.....may God Bless You..... > > > > Regards, > > Manoj > > IMHO in the previous mails about SY treatments , everyone has > been " right " in their own way in what they are saying. > The reason I believe Jagbir is so strong against the treatments is > that quite a number (or quite a number who are vocal) have made it > a daily routine almost to the point that they cannot step out of > home thinking that without doing it otherwise bhoots & badhas & > negativities will pounce on them. Even the doctors in SYIH, Belapur > mentioned about this unnecessary " fear " among SYogi/nis. > > Dear Balwinder, You forgot to mention that i was the first monkey who left the room prior to any of my kind climbing the ladder to get hold of the bananas. Don't get me wrong. i was really hungry but just could not stomach the rules and regulations set by senior primates on the protocol to follow if anyone wanted to taste the divine fruit dangling so temptingly above. Common sense told me that i would become just like them if i lingered too long in their company. Instead i looked around this vast jungle on my own and realized that i could really become my own master. In the course of my solitary journey as i happily swung from branch to vine to shoot, i discovered so many exotic fruits. So instead of just subsisting on plain bananas that many of my kind are now conditioned to enjoy, i gorged myself with all that this wonderful world had to offer. (i know all about the ugly rumors circulating among Youwannashaketree monkeys that they are only supposed to eat bananas and never to touch any fruit offered by those bogus baboons, fake silverbacks and false orangutans. But i have to tell all that this is not the case as their mangoes and papayas also grow on trees, just like bananas. It's alright because one day all my fellow monkeys will find that i was telling the truth.) But thanks for letting me know that all the new monkeys are now so conditioned by senior primates that none dare climb. i also believe that they do not even venture out into this bad world without tying a string of chillies round their waist to ward off all those hordes of invisible evil entities preying specifically on this special breed of monkeys who claim to be so enlightened and empowered beyond belief. i am glad that i had just enough brains in my small pre-homo sapiens cranium to leave before it was too late. i still wonder why. At times i suspect that i was actually a chimpanzee, and thus was endowed with an extra intuitive gene. i hope my fellow monkeys will not be offended by my unverified claim of superiority. i want them to be assuaged before i brag about my determination to evolve into a human. My quite selfish reason for attempting this unprecedented jump in evolution, which most will again laugh at as usual, is that i heard they get the best bananas that we monkeys and chimps can only dream of. ...................... and they don't even have to climb trees! jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2004 Report Share Posted April 3, 2004 shriadishakti , " dr_balwinder " <dr_balwinder> wrote: > shriadishakti , " Manoj " <map5166@r...> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Jagbirji, > > > > Thank you very much for the complete enlightenment provided by > you.....may God Bless You..... > > > > Regards, > > Manoj > > IMHO in the previous mails about SY treatments , everyone has > been " right " in their own way in what they are saying. > The reason I believe Jagbir is so strong against the treatments is > that quite a number (or quite a number who are vocal) have made it > a daily routine almost to the point that they cannot step out of > home thinking that without doing it otherwise bhoots & badhas & > negativities will pounce on them. Even the doctors in SYIH, Belapur > mentioned about this unnecessary " fear " among SYogi/nis. > > The other " problem " is focusing on so and so treatment for so and > so problem and having so many " self created treatments " – has > Mother not said that She is the greatest healer and have faith in > Her. Ever wondered why people have been in SY for so long but they > still come down with major problems(physical , mental financial > etc) – I find it difficult to believe that it should happen to a > SYogi/ni who meditates regularly with sharda(not mechanically) and > lives according to Mother's definition of a SYogi/ni. > > Then there is the self created treatments and also self created > rules/instructions to Mother's original treatment methods. > > I still remember an episode where I was accompanying my wife to the > new classes middle of last year – that day we had finished > footsoaking and there was long queue to throw the " footsoaked > saltwater " into the WC and I decided to throw it in the kitchen > sink – suddenly I saw a facilitator rushing towards me and > saying No!No!No! Not allowed to throw in the empty kitchen sink.I > did not know why and neither did she but obeyed her instructions – > to all around me it looked that I had done a big blunder.I got my > chance to check this at SYIH, Belapur and the doctor told me there > is nothing wrong as long as flushed with normal water after > discarding the saltwater. > > Another episode was the " tonguelashing " by a SYogi I got for > wearing Mother's pendant using a black thread – happened at the > shores of Ganapatipule in 1997.At the end of it I felt as if I had > committed a crime and so had my Malaysian collective(for not > informing me – not that I ever blamed for it) for wearing > Mother's pendant using a black thread.I never bothered to find out > but I did change it to gold. Many more episodes of different styles > of holding the shoe when shoebeating, bandhan for every small desire > – some say only when necessary, etc etc > Dear Balwinder, i understand your concern with the confusing and contradictory rules and regulations in Sahaja Yoga. During my early days i spent considerable time and energy just trying to find out who was right and wrong. Even then i had no confidence in the answers because what may be regarded as right today turns out to be wrong tomorrow, and vice versa. The other concern is how SYs try to interpret Shri Mataji's plain language. i will give you just one example. i once had two SY visitors at my home, one of whom had spent considerable time at the Rome ashram and had come over to Canada for a visit. i begun to notice that both meditated with their eyes open. Finding that unusual i kept quiet as is my habit of treating guests with great respect and making them feel at home. But then they stayed on for two weeks and i began to feel very uncomfortable at them continuously staring at Shri Mataji's photo and claim they were meditating. Upon questioning about their strange method of meditation they replied that it was recommended. Apparently they came to understand that Shri Mataji had said that if you have difficulty going into the thoughtless state just look at Her photograph. i told them it was true She said so, but that it should be just prior to going into meditation, and not staring at Her image in meditation. They disagreed. i then told them that meditation is attention focused within in the Sahasrara and that open eyes just project the senses outwards. i even told them that it was the first time i had come across any meditation of that kind. i even explained about how Shri Krishna instructed humans to meditate, i.e., with eyes closed and senses withdrawn inward. They disagreed. Instead i was advised to follow their style which they had learnt from another leader in Rome ashram, and is the better method of Sahaja Yoga meditation. (You can't disagree with such credentials and authority, can you?) So that in a nutshell is the inherent problems and weakness within Sahaja Yoga - innovative SYs inventing their own improvements on the 'faults' and 'flaws' of Shri Mataji, and lack of making it very clear in very plain English what She really means ......... or does not mean. That is why i am hesitant to advise newcomers to go to the local collectives. Today i told a seeker to visit a SY centre to get self- realization because i have no choice. My only hope is that she will not meet SYs who believe that this world is full of bhoots peculiarly fond of savagely attacking SYs? So who wants to be a SY and risk the wrath of these horrible evil entities? jagbir NOTE: If SYs do not radically change the way and method of presenting Sahaja Yoga, Shri Mataji and themselves to seekers, they are bound to fail again and again. Our Yuvashakti who are so afraid of mice today should never attempt stroking Shri Durga's lion tomorrow! The same goes for those SYs who have been dialing the Bhootbusters all these years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2004 Report Share Posted April 3, 2004 shriadishakti , " NAGY Adina " <adina.nagy@u...> wrote: > At hundreds of public programs Shri Mataji asked newcomers or new > realized souls to go in collectivity, that is to the established > Sahaj centers. > > Recall this and who She is, and make your own deductions. > > shriadishakti , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org> wrote: >> >> So that in a nutshell is the inherent problems and weakness within >> Sahaja Yoga - innovative SYs inventing their own improvements on >> the 'faults' and 'flaws' of Shri Mataji, and lack of making it >> very clear in very plain English what She really means ......... >> or does not mean. >> >> That is why i am hesitant to advise newcomers to go to the local >> collectives. Today i told a seeker to visit a SY centre to get >> self-realization because i have no choice. My only hope is that >> she will not meet SYs who believe that this world is full of >> bhoots peculiarly fond of savagely attacking SYs? > > So who wants to be a SY and risk the wrath of these horrible evil > entities? > Dear Adina, As explained before we reap what we sow. Our harvest for the past decade or so has been poor. There must be some darn good reason because i see others successfully flourishing, and the planting field is level. We just have to stop frightening newcomers coming to collectives with all these bhoots and negativity. People are intelligent and come to Sahaja Yoga to have a better spiritual life, not introduced to invisible pesky demons gnawing at their chakras. We have to really improve the image of SYs who welcome these new seekers at our collectives. i have spent years checking hundreds of websites and forums on Yoga and spirituality. Till today i have never come across any of their followers talking about bhoots, badddas and negativity. i wonder why only we SYs have to be introduced to these pesky little creatures. Even Shri Mataji has regretted bringing this topic because of the fear and obsession SYs have succumbed to, and continue spreading to others ............ especially newcomers. Why can't we just overhaul the whole method of introducing Sahaja Yoga to beginners by first completely eradicating bhoots and other undesirable entities from the agenda? Why can't we just allow them to meditate and forgo reading the heavy cleansing manual? Why can't we tell them that the Mother Kundalini will take care of all their internal problems? Why can't we just follow what Shri Mataji has enlightened us with, not what others have added or interpreted on their own over the years? And regarding the footsoaking which many do daily. i still stand by my realization that if you are having serious problems, like lack of vibrations, you should footsoak. SYs like Balwinder should continue footsoaking because he just got his vibrations flowing after nine years. This is a good case for footsoaking and should be encouraged, but not for petty catches. i clearly remember Shri Mataji a few years ago asking why are SYs footsoaking daily. Even She was wondering what is the point of doing Sahaja Yoga if you have to footsoak daily. Looks like i am the only person who heard this tape and this is one huge mystery. But i am 100% sure because i waited a long time for my realization -- in contradiction to what other SYs were telling me to follow about footsoaking -- to be vindicated. That is why i am so sure! But, as the monkey story illustrates, all newcomers are told not to eat bananas. All i am saying is that let the monkeys, especially newcomers, be free to eat bananas. Don't confuse and entangle them with all these elaborate cleansing rituals. (Has anyone died or been hospitalized for not following these rituals?) Don't put fear and apprehension at that early stage ............... in fact, never at all. Let them enjoy a simple method of meditation. Just make Sahaja Yoga as easy as possible to follow - like just rasing the Kundalini and meditating. If not we are going to see most of them leaving for the vast jungle out there. And they are not going to come back if they taste those juicy mangoes of Bikram or ripe TM papayas. Can't we just learn from so many years of failure, and change for the better? jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2004 Report Share Posted April 3, 2004 shriadishakti , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org> wrote: > shriadishakti , " NAGY Adina " <adina.nagy@u...> > wrote: > > At hundreds of public programs Shri Mataji asked newcomers or new > > realized souls to go in collectivity, that is to the established > > Sahaj centers. > > > > Recall this and who She is, and make your own deductions. > shriadishakti , " jagbir singh " > <adishakti_org> wrote: > But, as the monkey story illustrates, all newcomers are told not to > eat bananas. All i am saying is that let the monkeys, especially > newcomers, be free to eat bananas. Don't confuse and entangle them > with all these elaborate cleansing rituals. (Has anyone died or been > hospitalized for not following these rituals?) Don't put fear and > apprehension at that early stage ............... in fact, never at > all. Let them enjoy a simple method of meditation. Just make Sahaja > Yoga as easy as possible to follow - like just rasing the Kundalini > and meditating. > > If not we are going to see most of them leaving for the vast jungle > out there. And they are not going to come back if they taste those > juicy mangoes of Bikram or ripe TM papayas. Can't we just learn from > so many years of failure, and change for the better? > > jagbir This reminds me of the good doctor friend and his wife in SY to whom quite a number of people owe their introduction to SY. IMHO he and his wife were very good examples of SYogi/nis– regular daily meditation , regular collective , promoting SYoga and going for overseas SY functions etc.They also tried to convince my wife to join SY. I joined in 1994 and they left somewhere in 97 if I remember well. 2 reasons were given – he felt he had become too sensitive and was catching a lot of negativity .Secondly , Mother had bought some goods in Malaysia and this doctor friend was in charge of bringing the goods to India – he was really disappointed by the behavior of some SYogis in Delhi who were supposed to help him.Ultimately a non-SYogi stranger in Delhi airport helped him. I still feel he and his wife left SY for the wrong reasons and it is their loss more than that of SYoga's.We are still friends , he has found a " new way of meditation " (it is neither Bikram or TM style) and still meditates and does so in a 100yr old gurdwara in Malaysia with like minded spiritual seekers. Like I said before there are many good souls out there who are not in SYoga who will more than make the cut as far as Mother's definition of SYogi/ni is concerned. We are so few in number at the moment and can ill afford to not attract and/or lose good souls due to the inaccurate presentation of SYoga and/or emphasizing more on the minor aspects of SYoga and last but not least being poor examples of SYoga ourselves. I have a cardiologist in USA whom I gave SR but have yet to ask to go to the collective because I do not know someone " reliable " in USA who will focus on the teachings of Shree Mataji and also give priority to the appropriate teachings as Shree Mataji wants – now I am on the verge of advising him to go to the nearest collective. Another doctor in Adelaide is fortunate because someone put me through to a person whom I was told can be relied upon. Some may not agree with this cautious approach but I feel that I have a responsibility to the person being introduced to SYoga and cannot just say " I leave it to Mother " .I will only leave it to Mother once I am satisfied that I did my part as to the best of my abilities because I believe in the saying " God help those who help themselves " .We do our best using our discretion and only then should we leave it to Mother. Jai Shree Mataji Balwinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2004 Report Share Posted April 7, 2004 shriadishakti , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org> wrote: > > > > What i am saying is that all this mechanical and obsessive > > application of treatments and cures for petty catches and > > physical problems are unnecessary. Just forget them! What is the > > point of meditating on the Adi Shakti for years when you still > > need a kilo of chillies every week? What progress is this? Are > > your type of SYs going to pass on the same 'knowledge' to new > > seekers like Sidin Ekaputra? > > > Please read Shri Mataji's advice on meditation and the utmost > > importance of establishing your thoughtless awareness state. You > > can buy all the chillies and lemons available at your local > > market but you will NEVER grow in Sahaja Yoga until and unless > > you establish your thoughtless state. > > > > " So first you become thoughtlessly aware. Then the growth of > > spirituality starts after thoughtless awareness, not before - one > > should know that. > > > > On a rational plane you cannot grow in Sahaja Yoga. So first thing > > is to establish your thoughtless awareness. Still you might feel > > little chakra blockages here and there - forget it. Just forget > > it. > > > > Now start your surrendering. Now if a chakra is catching, you > > should say, " Mother, I surrender this to you. " Instead of doing > > any of these things you can just say that. . . . if there are any > > thoughts coming in to you or any chakra catching, just surrender. > > And you see that the chakras are cleared up. . . . You'll find > > out most of your chakras will clear out in the meditation. " > > > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi (Nirmala Yoga Jan-Feb 1984) > > > > shriadishakti , " Manoj " <map5166@r...> wrote: > > Dear Shri Jagbirji, > > I am totally contented and satisfied by your explanation ... > ...... You somehow seem to clear all doubts and misunderstandings > through your simple and easy-to-understand explanations. It's a > privilege to have you as our moderator. > > Thank you once again. > > Regards, > Manoj > Dear Manoj, Thanks you for this compliment. This was a poem recited in front of H.H.Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi on the occassion of Her 81st Birthday Felicitation program. It was written by Mr. Rajiv Kumar. http://www.sahajayoga.org/swan/view/swan_238_2004.asp MA KIS VIDHI KARUN STUTI TUMAHARI Ma kis vidhi karun stuti Tumahari Tum palanhari, jag ki rakhwari, Sab sankat tari, dukh bhaya bhanjan kari, Par mein kya janu yeh uunchi batein, Meri to Tu hai bas Mayya Pyari Ma kis vidhi karun stuti Tumahari Devon ke uupar pahunchaya Mahadev ka marm jataya, Shakti-Shiv ka milan dihkaya, Sadashiv ka marg jataya, Antarman pratibimbit karvaya, Ma maine yeh sab bas yuhin paya. Mantramugdh mein alladh balak, Mein kya janu yeh uunchi baten, Mujhe to bhaye Teri chavi nyari Teri bindiya pyari, Teri mahima bhari, Meri to Tu hai bas mayya pyari Ma kis vidhi karun stuti Tumahari KAUN MANIPUR KAISA ANHAT? CHOD CHALE HAM IN CHAKRON KE CHAKKAR. Saton Swargon ke bhi Uupar, Barah adityon ko vash mein kar, Samuhikta mein puure jam kar, Bas mast huye chaitanya ko pikar. Purn trupt hain yeh tere balak, Teri mamta ke aabhari, Tujh par balihari, Tere Aanchal ki chaya nyari, Tu raj dulari, Teri chavi pyari. Meri to Tu hai bas mayya pyari Ma kis vidhi karun stuti Tumahari. JAI SHRI MATAJI MA KIS VIDHI KARUN STUTI TUMAHARI (English translation) Mother how do I sing your prayers You are the nourisher, Protector of the world Remover of all obstacles, The One who does away with all sorrows and fears But I am ignorant of all this high ideas and talks For me, You are simply the Beloved Mother Mother how do I sing Your prayers? You have lifted us above the gods, Revealed to the essence of Mahadev Shown to us the conjunction of shiva with shakti Led us on the path to sadashiv Illuminated our inner self and world Mother You have given all this to us just like that! Me the mantra-bound and innocent child, I know nothing of this high talk I simply like your incomparable look Your lovely bindi, Your unending compassion, For me, You remain the beloved Mother Mother how do I sing Your prayers? WHAT IS THIS SMALL TALK OF MANIPUR AND ANHAT, WE HAVE LEFT BEHIND THESE RITUALS OF THE CHAKRAS, Having risen above the seven heavens We now control the fate of the twelve Adityas. Rooted firmly in the enlightened sangha. We are mast and enraptured with Chaitanya Fully satiated are Your children, Grateful eternally for your motherly love, We wish our lives be added to Yours, because Incomparably soothing is the shade of Your saree You are the princess with adorable countenance But you above all are my most Beloved Mother Mother how do I sing Your prayers? JAI SHRI MATAJI Again i remind you not to be influenced by any SY singing the merits of shoebeating or the protocol of using only the finest Indian chillies to destroy some invisible bhoots feasting on their favorite chakra. Let these stagnant SYs continue fighting the demons of their own imagination which only perpetuates the endless catches they keep experiencing. The more attention that is paid to this stupid pettiness or unfathomable theories the more the catches will manifest. If you join their company and small talk about Manipur and Anhat you will remain at their level and not advance. ......... i am speaking from my own experience! jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2004 Report Share Posted April 8, 2004 shriadishakti , buket ak <buketak2000> wrote: > >DearJagbir, > >Treatments are our weapons...( shobeating,lemmon > chillie, healling our left canal when we down left > etc..) > >They must not been argued... > >But unless they apply with meditation situation, they > are useless... While we apply them we must in > meditation situation...How can you denial shobeating , > cause if shobeating done with heart in meditation > situation we can see their results... > < we must keep clean ourselves to be strong canal for > mother... > <jai Shri Mataji > Dear Buket, You should realize that i am agreeable that those who enjoy these treatments should not give them up. i also encourage those having or recovering from serious subtle system problems to continue treatments. What i am really emphasizing and very concerned are newcomers becoming addicted, as you seem to be, to these pleasurable rituals. PLEASE LET NEW SEEKERS LEARN HOW TO USE THE MOTHER KUNDALINI TO CURE ALL SUBTLE SYSTEM PROBLEMS. Let them become their own masters by discovering the far deeper and successful healing done by the Mother Kundalini. Don't stall and slow them down with all the treatments which you obviously enjoy and find so necessary to be performed daily. Do not engage them in this small talk of manipur and anahat as penned by Rajiv Kumar in his poem to Shri Mataji. Free them from the rituals of the chakras and make them rise above the seven heavens. Allow them to control the fate of the twelve Adityas, rooted firmly in the company of enlightened sangha. Show them the way to that Moksa Mountain in the far distance. Buket, if you have yet to climb it how can you keep harping about the beauty of the flat plateau you obviously enjoy immensely ............ ..................... and want others to enjoy collectively? Please try to visualize the point of view from where i am standing and encouraging other to aspire. You definitely cannot climb much with all the heavy subtle system baggage (of lemons, chillies, matkas, candles) you are carrying. And even if you do it will be one slow, laborious and difficult journey. Can you imagine having to do treaments every now and then up that steep path? And what will you do if you run out of chillies and lemons half-way up? jagbir PS: So what will you do if you run out of chillies and lemons half- way up? You will at last realize they were unnecessary in the first place. Please take this advise my brother. I assure you will never regret doing so. Just try asking your Kundalini in clearing your catches during meditation. At least try for a month and, if it is not working, you can always go back to what you have been doing in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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