Guest guest Posted April 3, 2004 Report Share Posted April 3, 2004 Dear Shri Jagbirji, I am totally contented and satisfied by your explanation.........You somehow seem to clear all doubts and misunderstandings through your simple and easy-to-understand explanations. It's a privilege to have you as our moderator. Thank you once again. Regards, Manoj ----- On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 jagbir singh wrote : >shriadishakti , " NAGY Adina " <adina.nagy@u...> >wrote: >> At hundreds of public programs Shri Mataji asked newcomers or new >> realized souls to go in collectivity, that is to the established >> Sahaj centers. >> >> Recall this and who She is, and make your own deductions. >> >> >shriadishakti , " jagbir singh " ><adishakti_org> wrote: >>> >>> So that in a nutshell is the inherent problems and weakness within >>> Sahaja Yoga - innovative SYs inventing their own improvements on >>> the 'faults' and 'flaws' of Shri Mataji, and lack of making it >>> very clear in very plain English what She really means ......... >>> or does not mean. >>> >>> That is why i am hesitant to advise newcomers to go to the local >>> collectives. Today i told a seeker to visit a SY centre to get >>> self-realization because i have no choice. My only hope is that >>> she will not meet SYs who believe that this world is full of >>> bhoots peculiarly fond of savagely attacking SYs? >> >> So who wants to be a SY and risk the wrath of these horrible evil >> entities? >> >Dear Adina, >As explained before we reap what we sow. Our harvest for the past >decade or so has been poor. There must be some darn good reason >because i see others successfully flourishing, and the planting field >is level. >We just have to stop frightening newcomers coming to collectives with >all these bhoots and negativity. People are intelligent and come to >Sahaja Yoga to have a better spiritual life, not introduced to >invisible pesky demons gnawing at their chakras. We have to really >improve the image of SYs who welcome these new seekers at our >collectives. >i have spent years checking hundreds of websites and forums on Yoga >and spirituality. Till today i have never come across any of their >followers talking about bhoots, badddas and negativity. i wonder why >only we SYs have to be introduced to these pesky little creatures. >Even Shri Mataji has regretted bringing this topic because of the >fear and obsession SYs have succumbed to, and continue spreading to >others ............ especially newcomers. Why can't we just overhaul >the whole method of introducing Sahaja Yoga to beginners by first >completely eradicating bhoots and other undesirable entities from the >agenda? Why can't we just allow them to meditate and forgo reading >the heavy cleansing manual? Why can't we tell them that the Mother >Kundalini will take care of all their internal problems? Why can't we >just follow what Shri Mataji has enlightened us with, not what others >have added or interpreted on their own over the years? >And regarding the footsoaking which many do daily. i still stand by >my realization that if you are having serious problems, like lack of >vibrations, you should footsoak. SYs like Balwinder should continue >footsoaking because he just got his vibrations flowing after nine >years. This is a good case for footsoaking and should be encouraged, >but not for petty catches. >i clearly remember Shri Mataji a few years ago asking why are SYs >footsoaking daily. Even She was wondering what is the point of doing >Sahaja Yoga if you have to footsoak daily. Looks like i am the only >person who heard this tape and this is one huge mystery. But i am >100% sure because i waited a long time for my realization -- in >contradiction to what other SYs were telling me to follow about >footsoaking -- to be vindicated. That is why i am so sure! >But, as the monkey story illustrates, all newcomers are told not to >eat bananas. All i am saying is that let the monkeys, especially >newcomers, be free to eat bananas. Don't confuse and entangle them >with all these elaborate cleansing rituals. (Has anyone died or been >hospitalized for not following these rituals?) Don't put fear and >apprehension at that early stage ............... in fact, never at >all. Let them enjoy a simple method of meditation. Just make Sahaja >Yoga as easy as possible to follow - like just rasing the Kundalini >and meditating. >If not we are going to see most of them leaving for the vast jungle >out there. And they are not going to come back if they taste those >juicy mangoes of Bikram or ripe TM papayas. Can't we just learn from >so many years of failure, and change for the better? >jagbir > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2004 Report Share Posted April 8, 2004 >DearJagbir, >Treatments are our weapons...( shobeating,lemmon chillie, healling our left canal when we down left etc..) >They must not been argued... >But unless they apply with meditation situation, they are useless... While we apply them we must in meditation situation...How can you denial shobeating , cause if shobeating done with heart in meditation situation we can see their results... < we must keep clean ourselves to be strong canal for mother... <jai Shri Mataji --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: > shriadishakti , " jagbir singh " > > <adishakti_org> wrote: > > > > > > What i am saying is that all this mechanical and > obsessive > > > application of treatments and cures for petty > catches and > > > physical problems are unnecessary. Just forget > them! What is the > > > point of meditating on the Adi Shakti for years > when you still > > > need a kilo of chillies every week? What > progress is this? Are > > > your type of SYs going to pass on the same > 'knowledge' to new > > > seekers like Sidin Ekaputra? > > > > > Please read Shri Mataji's advice on meditation > and the utmost > > > importance of establishing your thoughtless > awareness state. You > > > can buy all the chillies and lemons available at > your local > > > market but you will NEVER grow in Sahaja Yoga > until and unless > > > you establish your thoughtless state. > > > > > > " So first you become thoughtlessly aware. Then > the growth of > > > spirituality starts after thoughtless awareness, > not before - one > > > should know that. > > > > > > On a rational plane you cannot grow in Sahaja > Yoga. So first thing > > > is to establish your thoughtless awareness. > Still you might feel > > > little chakra blockages here and there - forget > it. Just forget > > > it. > > > > > > Now start your surrendering. Now if a chakra is > catching, you > > > should say, " Mother, I surrender this to you. " > Instead of doing > > > any of these things you can just say that. . . . > if there are any > > > thoughts coming in to you or any chakra > catching, just surrender. > > > And you see that the chakras are cleared up. . . > . You'll find > > > out most of your chakras will clear out in the > meditation. " > > > > > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi (Nirmala Yoga Jan-Feb > 1984) > > > > > > > shriadishakti , " Manoj " > <map5166@r...> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Jagbirji, > > > > I am totally contented and satisfied by your > explanation ... > > ...... You somehow seem to clear all doubts and > misunderstandings > > through your simple and easy-to-understand > explanations. It's a > > privilege to have you as our moderator. > > > > Thank you once again. > > > > Regards, > > Manoj > > > > Dear Manoj, > > Thanks you for this compliment. > > This was a poem recited in front of H.H.Shri Mataji > Nirmala Devi on > the occassion of Her 81st Birthday Felicitation > program. It was > written by Mr. Rajiv Kumar. > > http://www.sahajayoga.org/swan/view/swan_238_2004.asp > > > > MA KIS VIDHI KARUN STUTI TUMAHARI > > Ma kis vidhi karun stuti Tumahari > Tum palanhari, jag ki rakhwari, > Sab sankat tari, > dukh bhaya bhanjan kari, > Par mein kya janu yeh uunchi batein, > Meri to Tu hai bas Mayya Pyari > Ma kis vidhi karun stuti Tumahari > > Devon ke uupar pahunchaya > Mahadev ka marm jataya, > Shakti-Shiv ka milan dihkaya, > Sadashiv ka marg jataya, > Antarman pratibimbit karvaya, > Ma maine yeh sab bas yuhin paya. > > Mantramugdh mein alladh balak, > Mein kya janu yeh uunchi baten, > Mujhe to bhaye Teri chavi nyari > Teri bindiya pyari, Teri mahima bhari, > Meri to Tu hai bas mayya pyari > Ma kis vidhi karun stuti Tumahari > > KAUN MANIPUR KAISA ANHAT? > CHOD CHALE HAM IN CHAKRON KE CHAKKAR. > Saton Swargon ke bhi Uupar, > Barah adityon ko vash mein kar, > Samuhikta mein puure jam kar, > Bas mast huye chaitanya ko pikar. > > Purn trupt hain yeh tere balak, > Teri mamta ke aabhari, > Tujh par balihari, > Tere Aanchal ki chaya nyari, > Tu raj dulari, Teri chavi pyari. > Meri to Tu hai bas mayya pyari > Ma kis vidhi karun stuti Tumahari. > > > JAI SHRI MATAJI > > > > MA KIS VIDHI KARUN STUTI TUMAHARI > (English translation) > > Mother how do I sing your prayers > You are the nourisher, Protector of the world > Remover of all obstacles, > The One who does away with all sorrows and fears > But I am ignorant of all this high ideas and talks > For me, You are simply the Beloved Mother > Mother how do I sing Your prayers? > > You have lifted us above the gods, > Revealed to the essence of Mahadev > Shown to us the conjunction of shiva with shakti > Led us on the path to sadashiv > Illuminated our inner self and world > Mother You have given all this to us just like that! > > Me the mantra-bound and innocent child, > I know nothing of this high talk > I simply like your incomparable look > Your lovely bindi, Your unending compassion, > For me, You remain the beloved Mother > Mother how do I sing Your prayers? > > WHAT IS THIS SMALL TALK OF MANIPUR AND ANHAT, > WE HAVE LEFT BEHIND THESE RITUALS OF THE CHAKRAS, > Having risen above the seven heavens > We now control the fate of the twelve Adityas. > Rooted firmly in the enlightened sangha. > We are mast and enraptured with Chaitanya > > Fully satiated are Your children, > Grateful eternally for your motherly love, > We wish our lives be added to Yours, because > Incomparably soothing is the shade of Your saree > You are the princess with adorable countenance > But you above all are my most Beloved Mother > Mother how do I sing Your prayers? > > JAI SHRI MATAJI > > > > Again i remind you not to be influenced by any SY > singing the merits > of shoebeating or the protocol of using only the > finest Indian > chillies to destroy some invisible bhoots feasting > on their favorite > chakra. Let these stagnant SYs continue fighting the > demons of their > own imagination which only perpetuates the endless > catches they keep > experiencing. The more attention that is paid to > this stupid > pettiness or unfathomable theories the more the > catches will > manifest. If you join their company and small talk > about Manipur and > Anhat you will remain at their level and not > advance. ......... i am > speaking from my own experience! > > jagbir > === message truncated === Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions./design_giveaway/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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