SY websites have failed to deliver message of Shri Mataji

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shriadishakti , " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

>

> To all SYs,

>

> i have received another email from a non-SY who thoroughly browsed

> the www.adishakti.org website. (i know he went through the site in

> detail from the web rankings.) It reads:

>

>

> -----------

> " A.C.Dxxxxxxxxx " <acdxxxxxxxx@h...>

> adishakti_org

> Spiritual Science based on system of chakras and nadis

> Sat, 3 Apr 2004 19:10:09 +0530

>

>

> Dear Sirs,

>

> I am amazed to read profound literature that you have provided on

> your site. It is simply rare and most magnificent literature.

> If you have some sort of newsletter, I shall be pleased to

> for it. You may kindly respond at your convenience.

>

> Thanking you,

>

> AC Dxxxxxxxx

>

> -----------

>

> This is despite the fact that on almost every page Shri Mataji is

> claimed as Adi Shakti, the Last Judgment is announced and Qiyamah

> is upheld. Yet complete strangers continue to heap praise and agree

> with the most open and radical declaration of Truth this world has

> ever known.

>

> Official SY websites on the other hand continue to shield

> themselves from the perceived fear of public ridicule and media

> attack. This siege mentality clearly reflect in the way SYs conduct

> their programs to attract outsiders.

>

> Again i am telling all SYs that history will judge them harshly for

> hiding the truth of the Last Judgment and Qiyamah from humanity for

> so long. One day they will be ridiculed for behaving in such a

> cowardly manner despite their profound responsibility to humankind

> which Shri Mataji keeps reminding. They will never be able to

> remove this terrible blot on their character and dharma. Doesn't

> all these years of footsoaking and shoe-beating even make them

> realize this simple fact??!!!

>

> There is absolutely no justification or reason for continuing to

> fear that the public will flee from the truth. On the contrary, the

> Last Judgment and Qiyamah will be the very basis for seekers to

> join Sahaja Yoga.

>

 

Dear All,

 

i came across this interesting article:

 

" A careful perusal of the New Testament sections will show that

although most of them may conveniently be classified as first degree,

i.e., purely religious matter, there is also a thin vein of mysticism

of the second degree running right through them. For instance, the

sentence " The kingdom of heaven is within you, " has absolutely no

connection whatsoever with official religion and entirely refers to

the experiences of yogis and mystics. 

 

The explanation why such a mixture of concepts exists, is twofold.

Firstly, the compilation of these records in a single volume did not

occur until a few hundred years after Jesus is believed to have

passed away. The obscure Council of Nicea found numerous gospels

extant when it sat to make the compilation, consisting of a mixed

collection of religious books intended for the masses and mystical

ones intended for the elect few. The immense number of bishops who

constituted this council had quite a fight over the nature of Christ,

they naturally made their selections and rejections according to

their personal temperaments and outlook. Hence the somewhat uneven

selection of authentic gospels and unjustifiable rejection of certain

apocrypha. 

 

Secondly, Jesus was in revolt against the stiff orthodoxy of the

Jewish priests most of whom were not only ignorant of the higher

degree themselves but deliberately persecuted those who were

mystically inclined. His indignation expressed itself in the

words, " Woe unto you! Ye entered not in yourselves, and them that

were entering ye prevented. "

 

 

My 2 cents worth of questions to those in charge of spreading Sahaja

Yoga:

 

Is it possible that we SYs can be accused of preventing humanity from

taking part in the Last Judgment by our deliberate and conscientious

refusal to tell them the Truth on all our official websites?

 

Are we not guilty of preventing them from entering the Kingdom of God

by our hypocritical collective silence, notwithstanding all that

trumpeting of being realized souls?

 

How are so many able to sleep soundly every night and never register

any thought or speak up in protest that we are committing the

greatest wrong against humanity?

 

 

jagbir

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shriadishakti , " NAGY Adina " <adina.nagy@u...>

wrote:

> Dear all,

>

> If these sites were wrong (or had a negative effect on the long

run) as Jagbir seems to believe, there vibratiuons would be hot,

won't they ? It is an issue that overpasses my ability to foresee

the future (and who really can ?) so I can really rely only on

vibrations.. If you assume vibrations are an expression of Chaytania,

then you admit that Chaitanya Knows better than our minds, isn't it ?

>

> sincerely,

> adina

>

Dear Adina,

 

I missed the part whereby Jagbir seems to believe that these sites

were wrong (or had a negative effect on the long run).

I was under the impression that he seems to believe that they are not

proclaiming at all Shree Mataji's message about the Last Judgement

or not proclaiming prominently enough on the sites.

Although my vibratory awareness is in it's infancy , I agree that

once fully developed , vibrations make better judgement than the mind

anytime.

 

Balwinder

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shriadishakti , " NAGY Adina " <adina.nagy@u...>

wrote:

> Dear all,

>

> If these sites were wrong (or had a negative effect on the long

run) as Jagbir seems to believe, there vibratiuons would be hot,

won't they ? It is an issue that overpasses my ability to foresee

the future (and who really can ?) so I can really rely only on

vibrations.. If you assume vibrations are an expression of Chaytania,

then you admit that Chaitanya Knows better than our minds, isn't it ?

>

> sincerely,

> adina

>

>

 

 

Dear Adina,

 

One of the amazing ability of the western mind is the ability to

tweak and twist words to mould any wishful thinking or satanic sin.

Just a few months ago i watched a documentary on sado-machismo and

bondage sex. There was one particularly fat, hairy and ugly guy who

had clients coming to get whipped and subject to all kinds of sexual

depravity. Though revolting i could not help admiring the eloquent

and convincing manner in which he explained the merits and necessity

for others to indulge in sexual deviation. It was if he was

describing a wholesome hobby that should be pursued by even our

mothers. i was mesmerized by the words he used so innocently and

convincingly to justify his pursuit of pleasure. Mere words to turn

sin into virtue. Even Shri Mataji is at a loss at how they can

justify anything - ANYTHING - by rational explanation.

 

You must have heard of the half-full glass. That is our case, to a

certain extend. i am saying that the glass must be full whereas you

are convinced that it is fair to be half-full. But you are not

understanding what i am telling you in plain words. You insist that

there is nothing wrong with a half-empty glass and your vibrations

are cool. Yes, they should be cool as you are convinced that you are

telling the truth. i am not disputing that fact. What i am saying,

and read my lips, please: T...H...E G...L...A...S...S I...S

N...O...T F...U...L...L. The official websites are only telling

half the truth and hiding the most important, relevant and critical

message of Shri Mataji to humanity. They are not telling seekers

about the Last Judgment and this, IMO, is tantamount to stealing away

their right to participate in the Last Judgment. SYs have no right to

take away their birthright to salvation!

 

There is a limit to how long Shri Mataji's message of the Last

Judgment and Al-Qiyamah is hidden from public. i cannot condone the

way my brothers and sisters are presently behaving and not letting

others know of this central message of Sahaja Yoga ........... even

as this world increasingly continues its path of death and

destruction, ........ even as Shri Mataji continues reminding us

of our profound responsibility to humanity! i cannot remain silent

just because others are conditioned to remain silent by fear of

public reaction.

 

And you, Adina, are using mere words to justify the contents official

SY websites. All i am saying is that they must say, even in a single

sentence, that " Sahaja Yoga is about the Last Judgment " . Are these

words one too many to be included in all SY websites?

 

 

jagbir

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shriadishakti , " adina_nagy " <adina.nagy@u...>

wrote:

> Thank you for the explanations, Jagbir.

>

> I better figure out now what you mean.

>

> After a search on Last Judgement + Sahaja in google it

> unfortunately came out that most of the anti-Sahaj web pages speak

> about this part of Shri Mataji's message.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> adina

>

>

 

 

Can you elaborate what you mean by:

 

" unfortunately came out that most of the anti-Sahaj web pages speak

about this part of Shri Mataji's message " ?

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

shriadishakti , " NAGY Adina " <adina.nagy@u...>

wrote:

> Good morning Jagbir,

>

> please type within a search engine (I tried Google) Sahaja

> Judgement or Sahaja Last Judgement, and you will see what kind of

> pages you receive for the most

>

> anti-cults pages, sometimes 'extremely documented' as the one of

> the 'free reason' stuff, and other SD stuff.

>

 

Adina,

 

Are you by any figment of my suspicious imagination trying to imply

that we cannot announce or discuss the Last Judgment on the internet

because of some anti-cult pages popping up?

 

Maybe you should again read how it is possible for that fat, ugly and

hairy guy to convince himself that even his own mother should

participate in sado-masochism. It is all about the mind twisting and

tweaking words to justify anything, ANYTHING .......... including

masking our own fears and finding a convenient, suitable scapegoat!

 

And Balwinder just complained about me flogging a quite dead horse.

Haven't we SYs flogged SD enough? Maybe the question should be: Are

we not embarrassed by the ridiculous heaping of our failures on

that poor miserable SD? How about asking if we are transparent and

truthful about spreading Sahaja Yoga? Or maybe question ourselves

why -- if we indeed are those radiant, beautiful self-realized souls -

- no one seems eager to join them? In plain read-my-lips lingo:

D...O...N...T B...L...A...M...E O...T...H...E...R...S F...O...R

O...U...R O...W...N F...A...I...L...U...R...E...S!

 

 

jagbir

 

PS: i really hope SYs are not lulled into a false sense of belonging

to an angelic superior caste living in a sea of untouchables. Few SYs

meet the criteria and standard set by Shri Mataji, even though She

continues to praise them so sweetly over the decades.

 

i remember my 1999 trip to Cabella where i was shocked by a SY and

his wife cussing and cursing while waiting for someone who took some

time to join them in their car. And this is a long-established SY

whom i knew years before joining Sahaja Yoga.

 

In the evening six of us had to carry Shri Mataji's pandal, and this

senior SY was in front of me. Shri Mataji came and sat on the pandal.

In my mind i was sure Shri Mataji would tick him off for his

deplorable behaviour, or at least ignore him. But to my surprise She

spoke to him in such a sweet language, enquiring about his family and

children. i felt embarrased and a bit confused by Shri Mahamaya

because i know in his Sahasrara She witnessed the tongue-lashing, and

yet never admonished him by at least ignoring.

 

Then i realized that only a genuine Mother will have kind, caring

words for a horrible son.

 

My question: Can it be not true that we have not transformed

ourselves to the point where seekers will join us due to our care,

compassion, humility, mild manners, transparency and other admirable

qualities? ............. and stop blaming SD for our own failures?

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shriadishakti , " adina_nagy " <adina.nagy@u...>

wrote:

> >

> > Adina,

> >

> > Are you by any figment of my suspicious imagination trying to

> > imply that we cannot announce or discuss the Last Judgment on the

> > internet because of some anti-cult pages popping up?

> >

 

>

> Absolutely not. It was simply to say that if someone (a 3rd part as

> most of the seekers) wants information about the connection of SY

> and Last Judgement it will find many antiSY sites and a few

> explanations of SYs. A challenging information coming from the

> wrong side it's not a really strong point.

>

> And you are right on the point of SD.. some focused on his acts but

> perhaps a few know that there are already 2 published books against

> SY.

>

> As far as your story is concerned, I think a Mother will never

> focus on the weak points of a child, but see the sea of qualities.

> Furthermore, as SY we are not supposed to focus on these points

> either... it is useless. And I am really sad to see this points and

> only these negative points coming again and again in your messages.

>

 

 

Adina,

 

You are by the " figment of my suspicious imagination trying to imply

that we cannot announce or discuss the Last Judgment on the

internet because of some anti-cult pages popping up. " It is just you

are tweaking and twisting different words to pretend you are not

meaning what i know you mean.

 

You are also not correct about your evidence that people " will find

many antiSY sites and a few explanations of SYs " if they want

information about Sahaja Yoga and Last Judgment. Any reader may

google to see for themselves that you have made a mountain out of a

molehill. (Remember also that if other SY websites talk about Last

Judgment there is no way any anti-cult sites will have a chance.)

 

You also do not want to see the positive image of www.adishakti.org

being right on top of search page. In fact nothing satisfies you

about announcing Last Judgment on the internet because it will just

attract anti-cult pages. Thus, in your opinion, it is just better to

keep the public in the dark about the Last Judgment. i just cannot

bring myself to conscientiously lie in the face of overwhelming

evidence that humankind is just hurtling downwards in a growing

spiral of mayhem, death and destruction.

 

SYs have swept the undesirable points under the carpet just too long,

and that past practise is to some extend responsible for the rut and

complacency that has set in. You may want to cheer with the rest but

i am going to admit that the emperor does not wear any clothes. You

may dislike or hate me for doing so but i prefer being forthright so

that we all can learn from our mistakes.

 

i have just received a letter from someone contemplating leaving

Sahaja Yoga. Apparently it has something to do with fellow SYs, i

presume. It surprises me why this person should take such a drastic

step if he/she has loving SYs around. So why do people leave Sahaja

Yoga even after spending years in good company? It just makes no

sense and finding scapegoats is not my style. So i will try my best

to be frank and ask this realized soul to stay, even if it means

admitting mistakes made by SYs. Maybe in the end the only reason that

will really matter is the Last Judgment, something that most SYs

consider a taboo subject to be told in public.

 

So Adina, we should not give new seekers false impressions. Sooner or

later they will find out the truth that all of us are just like them,

maybe just Self-realized. It is better being humble and truthful that

we still have many faults (and catches to clear) than we care to

admit. Perhaps this will bring forth the change and, together with

other radical changes, reverse the tide that has seen many bad moons

rising over the years. Sahaja Yoga just cannot proceed at the snail

pace as Shri Mataji continues to implore us to shoulder our enormous

responsibility to humanity. There must be a complete overhaul of the

way we project Sahaja Yoga. For this to take place transparency and

honesty is of utmost importance ................. and the freedom to

criticize all faults and seek solutions. It is going to be a long and

windy winding road.

 

 

jagbir

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shriadishakti , " adina_nagy " <adina.nagy@u...>

wrote:

>

> Honestly, I really don't have an opinion (but trying to reach one,

>

 

Dear Adina,

 

Many years ago i went to one of my best drinking buddy's house and

saw a beautiful poster with the words: " To do the impossible you have

to see the invisible. " For some reason these words remained ingrained

in my mind and many times i have contemplated its paradoxical meaning.

 

i really cannot explain in simple language the invisible task we SYs

are requested to shoulder, impossible it appears if my AD 8023

calculations are correct ......... give or take a century or so. The

problem is that even explaining the word " invisible " is impossible.

This is because our comprehension, though quite similar, can easily

deteriorate into an word-fight should anyone of us choose not to see

eye to eye (invisible) or think mind to mind (impossible).

 

i am just following what Shri Mataji wants us SYs to do, i.e.,

shoulder our enormous responsibilty to humanity. If you think that

She means talking about the subtle system then fine. If i think She

means that we should announce the Last Judgment then let me start

first with the internet. If you think SYs are great souls then be

happy. If i think SYs are not up to the mark then let me be unhappy.

If you are satisfied with the way things are then just lay back and

relax. If i am displeased with the state of collectives then let me

complain and find solutions.

 

So if you believe it is impossible let me remind that is just not

visible yet. If you believe you cannot see the invisible let me

assure you it is possible. i just cannot spend so much energy trying

to convince you that to do the impossible you have to see the

invisible.

 

jagbir

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shriadishakti , "jagbir singh" <adishakti_org> wrote:> > i am just following what Shri Mataji wants us SYs to do, i.e., > shoulder our enormous responsibilty to humanity. If you think that > She means talking about the subtle system then fine. If i think She > means that we should announce the Last Judgment then let me start > first with the internet. >

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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And the www.adishakti.org continues its upward trend, gaining another 30,000 jump in rankings. As i have told before, the Adi Shakti will triumph in Her announcement of the Last Judgment and Al-Qiyamah to all humanity. Maybe the difference between official websites and the 'other' that Adina differentiated is that of emphasizing the subtle system and announcing Shri Mataji's overriding message of the Last Judgment and Al-Qiyamah. To be more precise it is the difference between the subtle system that all types of gurus talk about and the Kingdom of God (Sahasraras) within that none have any scant knowledge of.Maybe SYs still have not realized that all spiritual and religious organizations have their own unique core message that distinguishes them from the rest. The Mormons have Smith seeing Christ in North America and given tablets (that have never been presented as divine evidence), the Jehovah's Witness have real estate reserved in

paradise for the first 144,000 souls making their way up the Stairway to Heaven (which has been filled since the 1920's according to my Casio calculator), Bhagwan's devotees have Sai Baba who claims Jesus' support because ancient sheep of the Holy Land prophesied his coming through their bleating, "Baa, Baaa" (and i am not making this up! Balwinder, remember the quote from their own booklet i sent to you years ago?)SYs, instead of capitalizing on the unique exclusivity of Shri Mataji message and knowledge of the Last Judgment and Al-Qiyamah, have instead overwhelmingly emphasized on the common subtle system. Thus, instead of having a clear monopoly and assured envious profits they choose for some unfathomable reason to compete head-on with thousands of slick subtle system salesmen employed by organizations with deep pockets.Today SY shareholders are staring in the face of bankruptcy as Reiki and Bikram, to name just two of the hundreds of subtle system corporations,

outsell SY products at a conservative ratio of 1:1000. Despite decades of falling sales and recruiting disasters the Sahaja Yoga CEOs seem unable to grasp the dire straits we are in. No one seem able to instill confidence that we will succeed by giving us a sense of direction and change that will convincingly revive the fortunes of the shareholders. There is still no blueprint on the drawing board. All we hear are empty pledges, embarrassing bravado and hype of current events.So what are we concerned employees to do now? Nothing much because creativity is frowned upon by CEOs who may regard it as their field of expertise, and no support is given to aspiring individuals. And even if it is allowed to flourish i doubt any brilliant ideas will flow from minds conditioned by years of subtle system indoctrination. We are indeed in deep trouble. So please do not try to undermine the morale and fortunes of niche SY companies slowly making their way to the Fortune 500

list.janitor jagbir

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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shriadishakti , " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

>

> There is a limit to how long Shri Mataji's message of the Last

> Judgment and Al-Qiyamah is hidden from public. i cannot condone the

> way my brothers and sisters are presently behaving and not letting

> others know of this central message of Sahaja Yoga ...........

> even as this world increasingly continues its path of death and

> destruction, ........ even as Shri Mataji continues reminding

> us of our profound responsibility to humanity! i cannot remain

> silent just because others are conditioned to remain silent by fear

> of public reaction.

>

>

 

 

" After a careful study of Indian religion, one contemporary Christian

theologian found twelve basic characteristics in the avatar

doctrines: 1) in Hindu belief the avatar is real, a visible and

fleshly descent of the divine to the terrestrial plane; 2) the human

avatars are born in various ways but always through human parents; 3)

their lives mingle divine and human qualities; 4) the avatars finally

die; 5) there may be a historical basis for some of the Hindu avatars

Rama, Krishna, Chaitanya, Ramakrishna, for example; 6) avatars are

repeated: one appears whenever there is a catastrophic decline in

righteousness; 7) one avatar differs from another in character,

temperament and worth; 8) each comes with work to do: the restoration

of harmony in human society and universe; 9) avatars are not world-

renouncing, and constantly advocate the importance of action rather

than contemplation alone; 10) avatars for Hindus provide " special

revelation " as the self- manifestation of Godhead; 11) they reveal a

personal rather than impersonal God; 12) avatars prove the existence

of a God of grace, in Hindu eyes; as Ramanuja insisted, a man cannot

maintain his existence without God and God cannot maintain Himself

without man. "

 

This theologian then concluded: " The Avatars of Hinduism lead up to

Christ and they are valuable preparations for him. More easily than

Jews or Greeks, Indians can understand the coming of God in human

form. Yet this very ease has great dangers, and the casual way in

which many modern Hindus consider Christ as just another Avatar

deprives him of significance and challenge. " Ramakrishna taught that

the saviors of humanity are those who see God and are so anxious to

share their happiness of divine vision that they voluntarily undergo

the troubles of rebirth in order to lead a struggling humanity to its

goal. An avatar serves as a human messenger of God, like the viceroy

of a mighty monarch. When there is a disturbance in some distant

province, the king sends his representative to quell it; likewise,

when religion wanes in any part of the world, God sends His avatar to

guard it. In such a way Christ, Krishna, Buddha, Chaitanya, etc. were

incarnations of God, that is, extraordinary human beings who were

entrusted with a divine commission. "

 

www.euro-tongil.org/swedish/english/ehindu.htm

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shriadishakti , " adina_nagy " <adina.nagy@u...>

wrote:

> Thank you for the explanations, Jagbir.

>

> I better figure out now what you mean.

>

> After a search on Last Judgement + Sahaja in google it

unfortunately

> came out that most of the anti-Sahaj web pages speak about this

part

> of Shri Mataji's message.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> adina

>

Dear Adina,

 

I am a bit late in this conversation due to being occupied with the

birth of my fourth boy.

I searched exactly as above on google

1)first 10 sites had 2 anti sites and one of them is the results of

the trial of the case for the domain of sahajayoga.org.The rest 8

were all pro SYoga

2)the next 10 had one antiSY site and it is a repeat of the results

of the trial of the case for the domain of sahajayoga.org.

3(12,13 & 14) were proSYoga sites and rest were related to yoga or

sahaja(which is a malay word too)

 

None of the 3 anti-SYoga sites spoke about Last Judgment.The 2 anti-

sites related to the trial were related to the " judgement " by the

judge.

 

Could you enlighten us as to how you reached the conclusion " came

out that most of the anti-Sahaj web pages speak about this part of

Shri Mataji's message. " ?

 

Thank you and Jai Shree Mataji

 

Balwinder

[Guest guest]

shriadishakti , " adina_nagy " <adina.nagy@u...>

wrote:

> I re-cheked google.fr with Sahaja Yoga and Last Judgement, there

are 6 SY sites and 4 anti, in the top 10, while with Sahaja and Last

Judgement the topic is exactly as you descrtibed it However, I

looked into teh contents and found the peotry pages were lovely but

not relevant for the subject of Last Judgement... the amazon revision

just claimed it. Which leaves 2 SY sites (Aaron?s which gives an

explanatioon in one line and adishakti.org) againt 3 documented anti

Sy ones.

 

Thnaks for the wishes about the newborn to you Adina and also to

Senan.

 

When I searched using google using sahaja yoga and last judgement the

results were as follows

1)Sahaja Yoga, Last Judgment & Al-Qiyamah

2)Shri Adi Shakti Sahaja Yoga Forum At

3)POETRY ENLIGHTENED - Sahaja Yoga

4)POETRY INSPIRED BY SAHAJA YOGA (SPONTANEOUS SELF-REALISATION)

5)Sahaja Yoga

6)Aaron's Sahaja Yoga Site

7)Broughton Astley Evolution Pages - Sahaja Yoga

8)Vishwa Nirmala Dharma aka Sahaja Yoga v. Sahaja Yoga Ex-Members ...

9)Islam, Qur'an And Al-Qiyamah

10)sy-yuvashakti

 

Number 5 and 8 are anti and out of this only number 5 makes a small

mention on last judgement - only one single anti site and that too

just mentions about last judgement

 

Rest are pro and number 1,2 and 9 talk passionately about last

judgement while 6 as you said mentions it as does number 10. Total is

5 pro sites out of which 3 discuss it extensively with evidence.

 

The score is the same when you type sahaja and last judgement with

just some minor changes in the ranks

 

1)Sahaja Yoga, Last Judgment & Al-Qiyamah

2)Prophecy 19: Saoshyant (Zoroaster or Zarathusthra)

3)POETRY ENLIGHTENED - Sahaja Yoga

4)POETRY INSPIRED BY SAHAJA YOGA (SPONTANEOUS SELF-REALISATION)

5)Aaron's Sahaja Yoga Site

6)Sahaja Yoga

7)Last Judgement

8)sy-yuvashakti

9)Vishwa Nirmala Dharma aka Sahaja Yoga v. Sahaja Yoga Ex-Members ...

10)Broughton Astley Evolution Pages - Sahaja Yoga

 

Number 6 and 9 are anti and out of this only number 6 makes a small

mention on last judgement - only one single anti site and that too

just mentions about last judgement

 

Rest are pro and number 1 & 2 talk passionately about last judgement

while 6 as you said mentions it as does number 7 & 10. Total is 5 pro

sites out of which 2 discuss it extensively with proofs.

 

 

> However, there is still a question I have ... on a more or less

private exchange, a SY passed a few days ago a message from Dr.

Manocha : he wrote about how embarassing is to speak on SY to

physicians, because of the too enthusiastic SYs who approach public

by claiming all about Shri Mataji.

 

> What is your opinion about this subject ?

 

Could you be more elaborate because I know people tend to take a

sentence out of context and whatever little I know about Dr Manocha ,

I find it difficult to believe that he has made the above statement

literally.

 

Thankyou

 

balwinder

[Guest guest]

> shriadishakti , " adina_nagy "

<adina.nagy@u...>

> > wrote:

> > I re-cheked google.fr with Sahaja Yoga and Last Judgement, there

> > are 6 SY sites and 4 anti, in the top 10, while with Sahaja and

> > Last Judgement the topic is exactly as you descrtibed it

> > However, I looked into teh contents and found the peotry pages

> > were lovely but not relevant for the subject of Last Judgement...

> > the amazon revision just claimed it. Which leaves 2 SY sites

> > (Aaron?s which gives an explanatioon in one line and

> > adishakti.org) againt 3 documented anti Sy ones.

>

 

shriadishakti , " dr_balwinder "

<dr_balwinder> wrote:

 

>

> When I searched using google using sahaja yoga and last judgement

> the results were as follows

>

> 1)Sahaja Yoga, Last Judgment & Al-Qiyamah

> 2)Shri Adi Shakti Sahaja Yoga Forum At

> 3)POETRY ENLIGHTENED - Sahaja Yoga

> 4)POETRY INSPIRED BY SAHAJA YOGA (SPONTANEOUS SELF-REALISATION)

> 5)Sahaja Yoga

> 6)Aaron's Sahaja Yoga Site

> 7)Broughton Astley Evolution Pages - Sahaja Yoga

> 8)Vishwa Nirmala Dharma aka Sahaja Yoga v. Sahaja Yoga Ex-

> Members ...

> 9)Islam, Qur'an And Al-Qiyamah

> 10)sy-yuvashakti

>

> Number 5 and 8 are anti and out of this only number 5 makes a small

> mention on last judgement - only one single anti site and that too

> just mentions about last judgement

>

> Rest are pro and number 1,2 and 9 talk passionately about last

> judgement while 6 as you said mentions it as does number 10. Total

> is 5 pro sites out of which 3 discuss it extensively with evidence.

>

 

Adina, can you explain to me this whole exercise that does not make

sense to me. You are telling everyone that googling " Last Judgment "

will bring forth some anti-SY sites? Your search has been researched

by Balwinder and i have been enlightened by the danger of " Last

Judgment " . What i gather from your rather perculiar concern is that

it is not in the public interest to talk about such a controversial

subject by reason of attracting negativity. It seems we just cannot

tell the truth about the Last Judgment because of its highly

controversial nature.

 

Can you please explain to me why, ever since the websites

www.adishakti.org and www.al-qiyamah.org have been set up, only SYs

like you are fretting about bad publicity? Have you ever considered

the torment and anguish they have caused thousands of montly visitors

ever since 1-1-2000? And why has no one advised me about the witness

protection program to escape the death fatwas issued by furious

Aytalloahs for desecrating the Qur'an and bringing unforgivable shame

to Islam?

 

> shriadishakti , " adina_nagy "

<adina.nagy@u...>

> >

> > However, there is still a question I have ... on a more or less

> > private exchange, a SY passed a few days ago a message from Dr.

> > Manocha : he wrote about how embarassing is to speak on SY to

> > physicians, because of the too enthusiastic SYs who approach

> > public by claiming all about Shri Mataji.

> >

> > What is your opinion about this subject ?

> >

 

shriadishakti , " dr_balwinder "

<dr_balwinder> wrote:

>

> Could you be more elaborate because I know people tend to take a

> sentence out of context and whatever little I know about Dr

> Manocha,

> I find it difficult to believe that he has made the above statement

> literally.

>

 

i find this single incident, subject to (i) verification (ii)

circumstances (iii) caliber of SY(s) talking about Shri Mataji,

disturbing. We cannot criticize just because murmuring souls gossip

behind his back. (i have had enough of these rumourmongers.)

 

i wonder what are " SYs who approach public by claiming all about Shri

Mataji " are really revealing about Her. Given the subject of " Re: SY

websites have failed to deliver message of Shri Mataji " , what is it

that SYs are so fearlessly talking in public? .......... and

embarrassing physicians? Adina, this is indeed contradicting

confusion ................ although it does give me cause to be

optimistic, or is it just another figment of my suspicious mind?

 

And don't you think that since ordinary SYs are not qualified to talk

to well-educated professionals, which may indeed have enough grains

of truth, don't you think a DOCTORS ONLY network is essential? Thus,

not only can we SYs attract physicians but many other professionals

as well.

 

In fact i was just thinking of Belapour having an official website.

Can you imagine what the evidence of research data and success

stories of cures can do to spread SY amongst physicians, and other

professionals? We are at the final frontiers of human evolution that

99.99% of the world does not know. It is time to rise up and awaken

humanity ..................... and i am not crying " wolf " .

 

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

shriadishakti , " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

>

> In fact i was just thinking of Belapour having an official website.

> Can you imagine what the evidence of research data and success

> stories of cures can do to spread SY amongst physicians, and other

> professionals? We are at the final frontiers of human evolution

> that 99.99% of the world does not know. It is time to rise up and

> awaken humanity ..................... and i am not crying " wolf " .

>

>

 

Just want to clarify that by " success stories of cures " i mean

patients receiving treatment for various subtle system diseases.

There must be sufficient data on the hundreds of patients checking in

for problems with the subtle system, being diagnosed by doctors, and

warded/ given out-patient treatment.

 

What i am trying to say is that the world medical body must be

EVENTUALLY aware that there are tens of thousands of humans who are

feeling the Cool Breeze, and is not a figment of their imagination.

There must be irrefutable evidence of completely sane and well-

educated professionals, like Dr. Balwinder for example, who have gone

there to seek treatment and can bear witness that they were cured.

There must be an awareness of increasing numbers of self-realized

humans, especially doctors, experiencing an invisible inner subtle

dimension that the medical society has no idea.

 

As Shri Mataji has said: " In the medical studies, whatever we have

discovered so far, is available there already. Whatever we can

discover with human awareness has its own limitations . . . First the

doctor has to become the spirit. He has to feel the cool vibrations

on his head, which are the fruit of this All-Pervading Power of Love.

This is the instrument which you have to use, first of all for

cleansing yourself, and for cleansing others. "

 

So first doctors have to become aware of the self-reproaching Spirit

within in Sahaja Yoga, and stand by their experience. They must

provide evidence of subtle system cures for others to cross-examine.

 

Otherwise there is going to be very difficult to convince physicians

and professionals as to what Shri Mataji is talking about the subtle

system. People need to see proof of what She is talking about. And

given the vast time and energy spent by SYs in promoting the subtle

system, we must gather evidence/experience of healing and present it

to the public.

 

Those who have better vision will be able to see how such a website

will encourage Muslims, especially Sufis, to take part in Sahaja

Yoga. The Qur'an upholds the Wind of Qiyamah and " hands will talk " as

some of the sure signs of the Resurrection. And those of us who know

Muslims better will understand that they, unlike SYs, are not going

to shirk from announcing Al-Qiyamah.

 

Islam is indeed the fastest growing religion but we should know that

the majority of converts, especially in the West, are Sufis. This is

a potent, potential source of the messengers of Al-Qiyamah whom God

Almighty has preordained must and will triumph. They will be far more

successful in spreading the message of Shri Mataji than what we SYs

have been capable of. The reason for the triumph of these messengers

is simple -Truth.

 

SYs tend to seek Shri Mataji at Cabella for direction and advise on

almost every issue. Any project they want to do must somehow be

sanctioned or blessed by Shri Mataji, otherwise they will not

participate (or it will be doomed to fail?) They seem incapable of

believing that the Adi Shakti within their Sahasraras is a far better

means of seeking guidance. (What is their solution to solving

problems and initiating projects after the physical Shri Mataji

leaves?)

 

Shri Mataji has told us numerous times to do everything in our power

to spread Sahaja Yoga and that we need not ask Her permission, or

anyone else for that matter, to do so. We all have our own special

talents. All we need to do is pursue ideas with a single-minded

purpose, even if the rest are skeptical, fearful or not interested.

You will always be helped by the Adi Shakti within, even though Shri

Mataji at Cabella is not aware ............... or it seems to be!

 

 

jagbir