Nirvikalpa Samadhi and the bliss of collective ignorance

[Guest guest]

shriadishakti , " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

>

> Of all spiritual knowledge i consider this the least important, to

> be discarded within a few months of kundalini awakening. Far more

> progress can be made by learning how to attain the thoughtless

> state. Just tasting a single drop of the Nirvikalpa Nectar can

> transform fools into saints. Imagine what it will do to Self-

> realized souls.

>

> Many SYs have only made mediocre progress despite being years in

> Sahaja Yoga. If their much touted subtle system knowledge and

> cleansing expertise is any yardstick to measure spirituality, what

> reason is there for Shri Mataji to be concerned about quality of

> SYs?

>

>

> that is why ignorance is bliss,

>

>

 

 

NIRVIKALPA SAMADHI

 

The state of samadhi is beyond the reach of mind and speech. Even in

worldly experience, you cannot express taste. You cannot express the

taste of an apple to one who has not tasted it, nor can you explain

the nature of colour to a blind man. The state of samadhi is all joy,

bliss and peace; this much only can be said. One has to feel this for

himself.

 

In samadhi or the superconscious state, the meditator loses his

individuality and becomes identical with the supreme self. He becomes

an embodiment of bliss, peace and knowledge. So much only can be

said. This can be experienced by you through constant meditation.

 

Nirvikalpa samadhi is the state of superconsciousness or godhead.

There is no vikalpa or imagination of any sort in this condition.

This is the goal of life. All mental activities cease now. The

function of the intellect and the ten indriyas. (senses) cease

entirely.

 

The spiritual aspirant now rests in atman (self). There is no

distinction between subject and object. The world and the pairs of

opposites vanish absolutely. This is a state beyond all relativity -

though it is not a state of inertia. It is a condition of complete,

perfect awareness. It is indescribable. It must be felt and

experienced by the aspirant himself. In this state the triad - the

knower, known and knowable - disappears. Man is now Brahman - there

is no jivahood.

 

Try to enjoy that sleepless state wherein all senses and mind remain

in a state of quietude and the intellect ceases functioning. The

sleepless sleep is maha nidra (the superconscious state). There is no

waking from this sleep.

 

In samadhi the yogi gets himself merged in the Lord. All limitations

and differences disappear. The yogi attains highest knowledge and

bliss. This state is beyond description. You will have to realise it

yourself.

 

Samadhi is the superconscious state in which the veil of ignorance is

suddenly lifted and the devotee merges in the overwhelming glory of

the one true divine effulgence. In samadhi the soul becomes loosened

from its material prison and is separated from individual

consciousness. An ecstatic feeling of oneness arises and the soul

becomes absorbed in the infinite intelligence from which it emanated.

 

After attaining samadhi a man, though possessed of great spiritual

powers, does not wish to change the conditions and circumstances in

which he lived before attaining it. In samadhi, ordinary

consciousness has flowered into super­consciousness. The stream of

samsara (the stream of births and deaths) has ceased to flow.

 

Nirvikalpa samadhi

Swami Sivananda

[Guest guest]

Great article Jagbir,

 

But just wondering why did you say bliss of collective ignorance?

 

ajay

 

JSM

 

 

 

 

shriadishakti , " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

> shriadishakti , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org> wrote:

> >

> > Of all spiritual knowledge i consider this the least important,

to

> > be discarded within a few months of kundalini awakening. Far

more

> > progress can be made by learning how to attain the thoughtless

> > state. Just tasting a single drop of the Nirvikalpa Nectar can

> > transform fools into saints. Imagine what it will do to Self-

> > realized souls.

> >

> > Many SYs have only made mediocre progress despite being years in

> > Sahaja Yoga. If their much touted subtle system knowledge and

> > cleansing expertise is any yardstick to measure spirituality,

what

> > reason is there for Shri Mataji to be concerned about quality of

> > SYs?

> >

> >

> > that is why ignorance is bliss,

> >

> >

>

>

> NIRVIKALPA SAMADHI

>

> The state of samadhi is beyond the reach of mind and speech. Even

in

> worldly experience, you cannot express taste. You cannot express

the

> taste of an apple to one who has not tasted it, nor can you

explain

> the nature of colour to a blind man. The state of samadhi is all

joy,

> bliss and peace; this much only can be said. One has to feel this

for

> himself.

>

> In samadhi or the superconscious state, the meditator loses his

> individuality and becomes identical with the supreme self. He

becomes

> an embodiment of bliss, peace and knowledge. So much only can be

> said. This can be experienced by you through constant meditation.

>

> Nirvikalpa samadhi is the state of superconsciousness or godhead.

> There is no vikalpa or imagination of any sort in this condition.

> This is the goal of life. All mental activities cease now. The

> function of the intellect and the ten indriyas. (senses) cease

> entirely.

>

> The spiritual aspirant now rests in atman (self). There is no

> distinction between subject and object. The world and the pairs of

> opposites vanish absolutely. This is a state beyond all

relativity -

> though it is not a state of inertia. It is a condition of

complete,

> perfect awareness. It is indescribable. It must be felt and

> experienced by the aspirant himself. In this state the triad - the

> knower, known and knowable - disappears. Man is now Brahman -

there

> is no jivahood.

>

> Try to enjoy that sleepless state wherein all senses and mind

remain

> in a state of quietude and the intellect ceases functioning. The

> sleepless sleep is maha nidra (the superconscious state). There is

no

> waking from this sleep.

>

> In samadhi the yogi gets himself merged in the Lord. All

limitations

> and differences disappear. The yogi attains highest knowledge and

> bliss. This state is beyond description. You will have to realise

it

> yourself.

>

> Samadhi is the superconscious state in which the veil of ignorance

is

> suddenly lifted and the devotee merges in the overwhelming glory

of

> the one true divine effulgence. In samadhi the soul becomes

loosened

> from its material prison and is separated from individual

> consciousness. An ecstatic feeling of oneness arises and the soul

> becomes absorbed in the infinite intelligence from which it

emanated.

>

> After attaining samadhi a man, though possessed of great spiritual

> powers, does not wish to change the conditions and circumstances

in

> which he lived before attaining it. In samadhi, ordinary

> consciousness has flowered into super­consciousness. The stream of

> samsara (the stream of births and deaths) has ceased to flow.

>

> Nirvikalpa samadhi

> Swami Sivananda

[Guest guest]

shriadishakti , " drkomandur " <drkomandur>

wrote:

> Great article Jagbir,

>

> But just wondering why did you say bliss of collective ignorance?

>

> ajay

>

> JSM

>

 

Actually i should have written " the bliss of collective SY

ignorance " . By this i mean the chasm between feeling good about

vibrations, but failing to realize that it is far from attaining

Nirvikalpa Samadhi. i think many SYs are quite satisfied that they

feel vibrations and collectively hype it. They seem blissfully happy

when they feel vibrations ................. tons of it!

 

But what about the Nirvikalpa Samadhi state that is an uncompromising

minimum for liberation? Not only do many gurus confirm this but Shri

Mataji Herself has made it clear.

 

i remember Her telling SYs:

 

" Without breaking the Sahasrara we could not have achieved the

ascent en masse . . . To keep Sahasrara open should be very easy if

the western brains could understand and be aware of your Mother. When

your Mother is the Deity of Sahasrara the only way to be able to keep

the Sahasrara open has to be complete surrendering. For that many ask

Me, " How do we do it'? " It's a very funny question. It is

irrelevant. If your Sahasrara has been opened by someone, and luckily

that is the Deity before you, it should be the easiest thing to

surrender.

 

But it is not . . . What is surrendering? . . . What do you have to

surrender? A drop has to dissolve in the Ocean to become the Ocean,

and a drop cannot be greater than the Ocean — can it be? So what

is the surrendering? Surrendering of our conditionings, of our ego,

and the artificial barriers we have built around us . . .

 

But one should know this is the greatest of greatest opportunity for

you, not for the Divine. If you are not available the Divine can find

its own way of fulfilling its Last Culmination of Expression. Even to

understand how immense the task is you need a surrendering heart . . .

The area of the Sahasrara is the realm of God. When the Brahmarandhra

opens fully then the heavens open within yourself. The Kundalini,

which has risen up and given you Realization, creates the opening by

which the Divine starts pouring all its subtleties inside your

brain . . . All of us can achieve that state of Nirvikalpa . . .

 

After Nirvikalpa you cannot come down . . . The people who are not in

Nirvikalpa are not going to be saved. I am very sorry to say that.

They are not going to be saved . . . they will not occupy the seats

in the Realm of God Almighty . . . To get to Nirvikalpa you have to

really dedicate yourself fully. "

 

(You Have To Be In Nirvikalpa, Vienna, Austria — May 4, 1985)

 

 

So how many SYs have actually achieved this state? What hope is there

for those still needing chillies, lemons and daily foot-soaking after

years in Sahaja Yoga? And why is Shri Mataji concerned about the

quality of SYs if such towering souls walk among us?

 

Someone just asked me if it is wise to discuss problems affecting

SYs in public. My reply: Only the plain truth and transparency will

remove the bliss of collective ignorance. i am sure the approaching

tide of change will lift all boats.

 

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

> Actually i should have written " the bliss of collective SY

> ignorance " . By this i mean the chasm between feeling good about

> vibrations, but failing to realize that it is far from attaining

> Nirvikalpa Samadhi. i think many SYs are quite satisfied that they

> feel vibrations and collectively hype it. They seem blissfully

happy

> when they feel vibrations ................. tons of it!

 

 

Feeling vibrations is only beginning of spiritual journey with SY.

It all begins there. We are all at various points on our journey.

Who knows better where we are? Just we.. that simple. If someone

is pretending to be other than what they are in SY probably their

aim is not spiritual ascent might be something else or just got

confused and lack clarity in what they are doing. We can't take

their monkeys on our shoulders. Its not good for our ascent anyway.

i don't try to judge anyone in collectivity. That's not my job,

better judge myself.. And we cannot behave just like Shri Mataji as

well, as per as dealing with other sahaja yogis are concerned.

 

 

> But what about the Nirvikalpa Samadhi state that is an

uncompromising

> minimum for liberation? Not only do many gurus confirm this but

Shri

> Mataji Herself has made it clear.

 

 

That's true all should experience Nirvikalpa Samadhi.. But like

anything in life it is a numbers game. That's why i believe Shri

Mataji focussed on getting in more people into SY because relatively

lesser number of people out of masses will endure to the end and

reach that promised land of Nirvikalpa.. The more people into

Nirvikalpa the more faster and better the world is in

transformation.

 

All we have to do is introspect ourselves, are we one of those 5%

who are enjoying the Nirvikalpa or part of 95% who just satisfy with

vibrations. And again there is nothing to blame for these numbers

because it is like that and it will be like that like any thing in

life. We all reach whatever we have to in this life time and

continue our journey in future lives from where we leave in this.

God knows what he/she is doing better than what we know i guess.

 

 

So how many SYs have actually achieved this state? What hope is

there

> for those still needing chillies, lemons and daily foot-soaking

after

> years in Sahaja Yoga? And why is Shri Mataji concerned about the

> quality of SYs if such towering souls walk among us?

 

 

Honestly i don't have any trouble SY using chillies, lemons... The

more we are transforming the more we are prone to consume

negativities surrounding us. These methods only help us keep our

physical body clean and fit for our spiritual journey. Use them as

required. But the main thing is Devotion & Meditation.

 

 

JSM

 

Ajay

[Guest guest]

shriadishakti , " drkomandur " <drkomandur>

wrote:

>

> Honestly i don't have any trouble SY using chillies, lemons... The

> more we are transforming the more we are prone to consume

> negativities surrounding us. These methods only help us keep our

> physical body clean and fit for our spiritual journey. Use them as

> required. But the main thing is Devotion & Meditation.

>

>

 

Ajay,

 

i have to stare you in the eye on this till you blink. It has been my

experience based on years of observance that the more we are

transforming the easier it is to consume negativity, even prodigious

amounts.

 

Although i have left all vices, which may take many SYs seven

rebirths to experience, i have not abandoned my friends who still

enjoy the best of western decadence. When they occasionally visit me

i entertain them to their heart's delight ............ and follow

them as they paint the town red. And what better place to enjoy life

than French Montreal, the silent sin city of North America that is

the Bangkok of the West.

 

Yes, i feel drained the next day after absorbing so much negativity

but over the years it has been easier.

 

Nowadays there is little difference between having coffee in the mall

or bar. i know it is so because of the strides i have made in

meditation, and complete surrender to the Mother Kundalini to absorb

and clear negativity.

 

All i am saying is that the difference in progress between those who

trust the Mother Kundalini more than lemons is the same as the

difference between striving for Nirvikalpa Samadhi and enjoying

vibrations. Ignorance is indeed bliss ............. till you are told

it is not.

 

As a doctor you should be honest and give the best advise even if the

treatment is painful and medication bitter. But if you are a better

doctor you will strive to prevent the disease from spreading.

However, if you are truly a world-class specialist you will find a

way to eradicate the disease from the face of this Earth. Apply the

same principles and ethics to Sahaja Yoga and you will beyond doubt

have served the Adi Shakti.

 

 

jagbir

 

PS: To " apply the same principles " i meant in your capacity to become

a world-class specialist dedicated in tun, mun and dhun to eradicate

the DISEASE afflicting us SYs. When you are ready for this difficult

task the answers will come from the Inner Guide, and you will at last

realize that there is no room for compromise or cutting corners. That

is why it is necessary for prophets and avatars to keep returning in

order to eradicate what the religious regimes have corrupted and

clear the mystical path of all obstacles for genuine seekers. Any

doubt we SYs may, if there are no checks and balances, just begin to

corrupt Shri Mataji's teaching before She has even left Earth?

[Guest guest]

shriadishakti , " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

> shriadishakti , " drkomandur "

<drkomandur>

> wrote:

> >

> > Honestly i don't have any trouble SY using chillies, lemons...

> > The more we are transforming the more we are prone to consume

> > negativities surrounding us. These methods only help us keep our

> > physical body clean and fit for our spiritual journey. Use them

> > as required. But the main thing is Devotion & Meditation.

> >

> >

>

> Ajay,

>

> i have to stare you in the eye on this till you blink. It has been

> my experience based on years of observance that the more we are

> transforming the easier it is to consume negativity, even

> prodigious amounts.

>

 

 

Concerned SYs should realize, given the recent evidence that we have

of confusing, conflicting and contradictory methods of innovative

treatments, that this prevailing DISEASE must somehow be eradicated.

 

Those obsessed with the minutest details of how chakras get

caught, 'knowledge' that is yet subject to verification by reason of

opposing views, are ever ready to accept any catch-causing

explanation to justify their beliefs.

 

And what is more gift-wrapped than a belief that those who are

transforming will absorb more negativity. Now they will thump their

chest and declare to others: " See, my left swadhisthan has received

such an extensive hit that all my Ida Nadi chakras are badly caught.

But I am proud to have absorbed such a massive dose of negativity

which probably came from a group of Sai Baba believers chanting at my

local temple. "

 

Such SYs will be forever caught because the longer they stay in

Sahaja Yoga the more greater will be the negativity that will attack

them. They just want to find a convenient scapegoat for the seemingly

never-ending catches that plagues them, and what's better than

catches caused by transformation?

 

It is as if i should believe that the so intelligent negativity has a

peculiar compassion, i.e., different classes of negativity attacks

according to status. What i mean is that even evil entities have a

honorable tradition. Following the strict code of conduct a C class

negativity must never attempt to overpower a B or higher grade SY. It

must seek a lower caste SY (and i pity those low-caste pariahs

amongst us).

 

Only the upper-caste B bhoots are given that honor of tackling the

more transformed B-level SYs. Thus we SYs must strive to be so

transformed that only the noblest of these evil entities attack

us .......... and we will bravely absorb ALL that negativity, and

live to tell others about it.

 

Thus, given this belief, transforming SYs will continue to be ever-

increasingly caught and will be in constant need of innovative

cutting-edge cleansing techniques to overcome all the stronger and

more evil negativity their advancement is attracting. Getting caught

will become a status symbol, proof of a SY's advancement. (Already i

am feeling guilty and jealous because, unlike these transforming SYs,

i do not have catches to prove my progress.)

 

Why do i get the feeling that Ajay's timely post reflects

collective `enlightenment' revealed by transforming SYs?

 

 

Jagbir

 

PS: The only way to eradicate this confusing, conflicting and

contradictory DISEASE of catches and their causes is to leave it to

the Mother Kundalini. When you surrender all your problems to Her you

are assured of infallible subtle system cures. Otherwise we are going

to be continuously confronted with SYs and their confusing,

conflicting and contradictory innovations.