Guest guest Posted April 16, 2004 Report Share Posted April 16, 2004 Hi All, This is with reference to the mail about not telling new comers about bhoots and badhas. Mr. Jagbir was expressing his view that newcomers must not be told. i am relatively new to sahaj yoga. By virtue of being very free (read unemployed) for the past 6 months, and being ditched by a very dear girlfriend, i've had loads of time on my hands. I jumped straight into sahaj and i think i crossed the spiritual speed and time barriers by over-meditating(2,4 or maybe more hours a day). I started to experience fantastic vibrations within the first 2 months and was totally amazed. Just then we celebrated matajis 81st birthday puja and at the mela here i met some sahaj doctors who called me the next day at a fellow sahaj yogis house for personalised advice. Cutting a long story short, i did go to the house, got all the medicines and advice for my medical problems and when i got home, i started getting anxious/depressed. I thought i'm tired and went to sleep. When i woke up, it felt like someone had reached into my chest and pulled my heart out. I was SO SO SO SO SO SCARED. I packed my suitcase in the next one hour, asked my maid to wait around while i packed because i was so terrified....and was going to catch a flight to spend time with my folks. Fortunately though, my reiki/pranic healing master was around and he managed to pacify and give me healing too. I've recovered from the incident and though my aunt is frantically trying to get me back into sahaj....i'm honestly not sure. I'm here though..and this time i guess i'll slow down. --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: > shriadishakti , " NAGY Adina " > <adina.nagy@u...> > wrote: > > At hundreds of public programs Shri Mataji asked > newcomers or new > > realized souls to go in collectivity, that is to > the established > > Sahaj centers. > > > > Recall this and who She is, and make your own > deductions. > > > > > > shriadishakti , " jagbir singh " > > <adishakti_org> wrote: > >> > >> So that in a nutshell is the inherent problems > and weakness within > >> Sahaja Yoga - innovative SYs inventing their own > improvements on > >> the 'faults' and 'flaws' of Shri Mataji, and lack > of making it > >> very clear in very plain English what She really > means ......... > >> or does not mean. > >> > >> That is why i am hesitant to advise newcomers to > go to the local > >> collectives. Today i told a seeker to visit a SY > centre to get > >> self-realization because i have no choice. My > only hope is that > >> she will not meet SYs who believe that this world > is full of > >> bhoots peculiarly fond of savagely attacking SYs? > > > > > So who wants to be a SY and risk the wrath of > these horrible evil > > entities? > > > > Dear Adina, > > As explained before we reap what we sow. Our harvest > for the past > decade or so has been poor. There must be some darn > good reason > because i see others successfully flourishing, and > the planting field > is level. > > We just have to stop frightening newcomers coming to > collectives with > all these bhoots and negativity. People are > intelligent and come to > Sahaja Yoga to have a better spiritual life, not > introduced to > invisible pesky demons gnawing at their chakras. We > have to really > improve the image of SYs who welcome these new > seekers at our > collectives. > > i have spent years checking hundreds of websites and > forums on Yoga > and spirituality. Till today i have never come > across any of their > followers talking about bhoots, badddas and > negativity. i wonder why > only we SYs have to be introduced to these pesky > little creatures. > > Even Shri Mataji has regretted bringing this topic > because of the > fear and obsession SYs have succumbed to, and > continue spreading to > others ............ especially newcomers. Why can't > we just overhaul > the whole method of introducing Sahaja Yoga to > beginners by first > completely eradicating bhoots and other undesirable > entities from the > agenda? Why can't we just allow them to meditate and > forgo reading > the heavy cleansing manual? Why can't we tell them > that the Mother > Kundalini will take care of all their internal > problems? Why can't we > just follow what Shri Mataji has enlightened us > with, not what others > have added or interpreted on their own over the > years? > > And regarding the footsoaking which many do daily. i > still stand by > my realization that if you are having serious > problems, like lack of > vibrations, you should footsoak. SYs like Balwinder > should continue > footsoaking because he just got his vibrations > flowing after nine > years. This is a good case for footsoaking and > should be encouraged, > but not for petty catches. > > i clearly remember Shri Mataji a few years ago > asking why are SYs > footsoaking daily. Even She was wondering what is > the point of doing > Sahaja Yoga if you have to footsoak daily. Looks > like i am the only > person who heard this tape and this is one huge > mystery. But i am > 100% sure because i waited a long time for my > realization -- in > contradiction to what other SYs were telling me to > follow about > footsoaking -- to be vindicated. That is why i am so > sure! > > But, as the monkey story illustrates, all newcomers > are told not to > eat bananas. All i am saying is that let the > monkeys, especially > newcomers, be free to eat bananas. Don't confuse and > entangle them > with all these elaborate cleansing rituals. (Has > anyone died or been > hospitalized for not following these rituals?) Don't > put fear and > apprehension at that early stage ............... in > fact, never at > all. Let them enjoy a simple method of meditation. > Just make Sahaja > Yoga as easy as possible to follow - like just > rasing the Kundalini > and meditating. > > If not we are going to see most of them leaving for > the vast jungle > out there. And they are not going to come back if > they taste those > juicy mangoes of Bikram or ripe TM papayas. Can't we > just learn from > so many years of failure, and change for the better? > > jagbir > > Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes./filing.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2004 Report Share Posted April 17, 2004 Hi Alex Be not afraid of your own self. Jagbir has just given Shri Mataji's advice. " Surrendering " to thy highest self. Hold on to Her Hand and never let go of it. You are going to experience what thy Self can become. It is scarry at first only if your attention looks sideways. You have to maintain your attention on The Master, Shri Mataji. Whatever questions you have, She will answer them, when the time is right. I was overwhelmed for the first six months. Steadfast and with nothing to lose I remained, my hand in Hers always. Get in the car and drive very very fast! That is the way to do it. Françoise shriadishakti , alex arthur <dude11976> wrote: > Hi All, > This is with reference to the mail about not telling > new comers about bhoots and badhas. Mr. Jagbir was > expressing his view that newcomers must not be told. i > am relatively new to sahaj yoga. By virtue of being > very free (read unemployed) for the past 6 months, and > being ditched by a very dear girlfriend, i've had > loads of time on my hands. > > I jumped straight into sahaj and i think i crossed the > spiritual speed and time barriers by > over-meditating(2,4 or maybe more hours a day). I > started to experience fantastic vibrations within the > first 2 months and was totally amazed. Just then we > celebrated matajis 81st birthday puja and at the mela > here i met some sahaj doctors who called me the next > day at a fellow sahaj yogis house for personalised > advice. Cutting a long story short, i did go to the > house, got all the medicines and advice for my medical > problems and when i got home, i started getting > anxious/depressed. I thought i'm tired and went to > sleep. When i woke up, it felt like someone had > reached into my chest and pulled my heart out. I was > SO SO SO SO SO SCARED. I packed my suitcase in the > next one hour, asked my maid to wait around while i > packed because i was so terrified....and was going to > catch a flight to spend time with my folks. > > Fortunately though, my reiki/pranic healing master was > around and he managed to pacify and give me healing > too. I've recovered from the incident and though my > aunt is frantically trying to get me back into > sahaj....i'm honestly not sure. > > I'm here though..and this time i guess i'll slow down. > > > > --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org> wrote: > > shriadishakti , " NAGY Adina " > > <adina.nagy@u...> > > wrote: > > > At hundreds of public programs Shri Mataji asked > > newcomers or new > > > realized souls to go in collectivity, that is to > > the established > > > Sahaj centers. > > > > > > Recall this and who She is, and make your own > > deductions. > > > > > > > > > > shriadishakti , " jagbir singh " > > > > <adishakti_org> wrote: > > >> > > >> So that in a nutshell is the inherent problems > > and weakness within > > >> Sahaja Yoga - innovative SYs inventing their own > > improvements on > > >> the 'faults' and 'flaws' of Shri Mataji, and lack > > of making it > > >> very clear in very plain English what She really > > means ......... > > >> or does not mean. > > >> > > >> That is why i am hesitant to advise newcomers to > > go to the local > > >> collectives. Today i told a seeker to visit a SY > > centre to get > > >> self-realization because i have no choice. My > > only hope is that > > >> she will not meet SYs who believe that this world > > is full of > > >> bhoots peculiarly fond of savagely attacking SYs? > > > > > > > > So who wants to be a SY and risk the wrath of > > these horrible evil > > > entities? > > > > > > > Dear Adina, > > > > As explained before we reap what we sow. Our harvest > > for the past > > decade or so has been poor. There must be some darn > > good reason > > because i see others successfully flourishing, and > > the planting field > > is level. > > > > We just have to stop frightening newcomers coming to > > collectives with > > all these bhoots and negativity. People are > > intelligent and come to > > Sahaja Yoga to have a better spiritual life, not > > introduced to > > invisible pesky demons gnawing at their chakras. We > > have to really > > improve the image of SYs who welcome these new > > seekers at our > > collectives. > > > > i have spent years checking hundreds of websites and > > forums on Yoga > > and spirituality. Till today i have never come > > across any of their > > followers talking about bhoots, badddas and > > negativity. i wonder why > > only we SYs have to be introduced to these pesky > > little creatures. > > > > Even Shri Mataji has regretted bringing this topic > > because of the > > fear and obsession SYs have succumbed to, and > > continue spreading to > > others ............ especially newcomers. Why can't > > we just overhaul > > the whole method of introducing Sahaja Yoga to > > beginners by first > > completely eradicating bhoots and other undesirable > > entities from the > > agenda? Why can't we just allow them to meditate and > > forgo reading > > the heavy cleansing manual? Why can't we tell them > > that the Mother > > Kundalini will take care of all their internal > > problems? Why can't we > > just follow what Shri Mataji has enlightened us > > with, not what others > > have added or interpreted on their own over the > > years? > > > > And regarding the footsoaking which many do daily. i > > still stand by > > my realization that if you are having serious > > problems, like lack of > > vibrations, you should footsoak. SYs like Balwinder > > should continue > > footsoaking because he just got his vibrations > > flowing after nine > > years. This is a good case for footsoaking and > > should be encouraged, > > but not for petty catches. > > > > i clearly remember Shri Mataji a few years ago > > asking why are SYs > > footsoaking daily. Even She was wondering what is > > the point of doing > > Sahaja Yoga if you have to footsoak daily. Looks > > like i am the only > > person who heard this tape and this is one huge > > mystery. But i am > > 100% sure because i waited a long time for my > > realization -- in > > contradiction to what other SYs were telling me to > > follow about > > footsoaking -- to be vindicated. That is why i am so > > sure! > > > > But, as the monkey story illustrates, all newcomers > > are told not to > > eat bananas. All i am saying is that let the > > monkeys, especially > > newcomers, be free to eat bananas. Don't confuse and > > entangle them > > with all these elaborate cleansing rituals. (Has > > anyone died or been > > hospitalized for not following these rituals?) Don't > > put fear and > > apprehension at that early stage ............... in > > fact, never at > > all. Let them enjoy a simple method of meditation. > > Just make Sahaja > > Yoga as easy as possible to follow - like just > > rasing the Kundalini > > and meditating. > > > > If not we are going to see most of them leaving for > > the vast jungle > > out there. And they are not going to come back if > > they taste those > > juicy mangoes of Bikram or ripe TM papayas. Can't we > > just learn from > > so many years of failure, and change for the better? > > > > jagbir > > > > > Tax Center - File online by April 15th > http://taxes./filing.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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