Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 What Hania has mentioned is nothing but a treatment of Sahaj which is applicable for a specialised disturbance. Where is it mentioned not to call 911 or not to consult paramedics or not to use medical services. Shri Mataji has never ever said that Sahaj is a substitute for modern medicine. She readily advocates for Allopathy and readily agrees that medication like Homeopathy is a second grade or even a third grade medicine. When Shri Ganesh is watching all Sahajis and it is Yogakshem Awahamyam (Your Welfare Is My Responsibility) after crossing the Sahasrara, why do we or any Sahaji brother/sister need to worry about a court case? Samarpan & total trust in Shri Ganesh and the Nirakaar is necessary for all Sahajis. Where is the Avidya in this? Rajan > Can anyone confirm if what Hania so confidently > tells the Yuvashakti > is indeed the truth? Is this what Shri Mataji has > told us? Can She be > quoted on this? > > i think this dabbling trend among the Yuvashakti, > who do not seem to have a balancing counterweight, > is becoming dangerous and perhaps even liable to > cause great harm to Sahaja Yoga. > > Maybe i am wrong but i was under the impression that > one should call > 911 immediately and summon help from paramedics. > Then the victim > should be given CPR or even an Aspirin if possible. > > i do not see how ice applied to the right side of > the chest can > revive a victim of heart attack. Maybe by doing so i > may just hasten > death since SYs are led to believe that ice-packs - > instead of 911, > CPR and Aspirin - save heart-attack victims. > > In all my years practising Sahaja Yoga i have never > felt more > disturbed and concerned about the dangers creeping > into mainstream > Sahaja Yoga. > > Will we have to wait till we have a lawsuit and then > bring some > sanity back or is this subtle system infatuation > destined for greater > depths of avidya? > > jagbir > > --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: > > > > Dear Vic, > > > > Ice pack can be used not only for liver but for > any chakra on the > > right side of the subtle system. It is ecpecially > efficient on the > > Right Heart during the heart attack. (In this case > one could also > > put it on the stomach and in this moment we don`t > work with the > > candel at Heart Chakra). > > > > Jay Shri Mataji! > > Hania > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 > > --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org> wrote: > > > Can anyone confirm if what Hania so confidently > > tells the Yuvashakti is indeed the truth? Is this what Shri > > Mataji has told us? Can She be quoted on this? > > > > i think this dabbling trend among the Yuvashakti, > > who do not seem to have a balancing counterweight, > > is becoming dangerous and perhaps even liable to > > cause great harm to Sahaja Yoga. > > > > Maybe i am wrong but i was under the impression that > > one should call 911 immediately and summon help from paramedics. > > Then the victim should be given CPR or even an Aspirin if > > possible. > > > > i do not see how ice applied to the right side of > > the chest can revive a victim of heart attack. Maybe by doing so i > > may just hasten death since SYs are led to believe that ice- > > packs - instead of 911, CPR and Aspirin - save heart-attack > > victims. > > > > In all my years practising Sahaja Yoga i have never > > felt more disturbed and concerned about the dangers creeping > > into mainstream Sahaja Yoga. > > > > Will we have to wait till we have a lawsuit and then > > bring some sanity back or is this subtle system infatuation > > destined for greater depths of avidya? > > > > jagbir > > > > shriadishakti , RAJAN BATRA <r_batra_2000> wrote: > What Hania has mentioned is nothing but a treatment of > Sahaj which is applicable for a specialised disturbance. > > Where is it mentioned not to call 911 or not to > consult paramedics or not to use medical services. > > Shri Mataji has never ever said that Sahaj is a > substitute for modern medicine. > > She readily advocates for Allopathy and readily agrees > that medication like Homeopathy is a second grade or > even a third grade medicine. > > When Shri Ganesh is watching all Sahajis and it is > Yogakshem Awahamyam (Your Welfare Is My Responsibility) after > crossing the Sahasrara, why do we or any Sahaji brother/sister need > to worry about a court case? > > Samarpan & total trust in Shri Ganesh and the Nirakaar > is necessary for all Sahajis. > > Where is the Avidya in this? > > Rajan > i am no doctor but this is what i came across: " In the United States alone, " said Poeppel, " sudden cardiac arrests strike about 1,000 people a day, and the survival rate is at best 2 to 4 percent. If we can improve survival rate by just 1 percent, we will save the lives of 10 people every single day. " People who suffer cardiac arrests outside of the hospital have a lower recovery rate. Brain cells start dying rapidly 10 to 12 minutes after an arrest, because of the lack of blood flow to the brain. Beyond this time, the person cannot make a full recovery. Even if the heart can be restarted, the person is brain dead. ERC researchers wanted to investigate brain cooling using ice slurry to improve recovery rate. When cells cool, their metabolism and their chemical processes slow dramatically. " That slow-down process can be introduced by cooling cells 2 to 6 degrees Fahrenheit, " Kasza said. " It doesn't take a whole lot. " The difficulty, though, is cooling the body during cardiac arrest when there is no blood flow. External body-cooling is slow. In 10 minutes, external cooling only reduces temperature by 0.54 degrees Fahrenheit - not enough to protect the cells from damage. Fluid fix Because external cooling is too slow, the team proposed injecting ice slurry into the body to induce rapid internal cooling. Because of its viscosity, the ice slurry could spread to cool a large portion of the body. The question became where and how would the ice slurry be injected? The team reviewed various body sections before settling on the lungs. The lungs are an in-body heat exchanger, because almost all of the body's blood moves past the lungs at some time. Researchers reasoned that by filling the lungs with the ice slurry and maintaining chest compressions, the blood supply to the brain would be chilled and would slow cell activity and death. " So the window of recovery from a heart-attack is very slim and time a critical factor of utmost importance. That is why it is irresponsible for any SY, especially those with no medical background or credentials, to give such advise .................... especially if assured death is just round the corner. This being the case, it was imperative that Hania should have mentioned dialing 911. It is a lame excuse that her omission did not exclude that inclusion. We are talking about teenage Yuvashakti members who do not have the maturity and knowledge to know they have such a short time frame for a heart attack victim. (i did not until a few minutes ago.) And if they are that conditioned by catches and treatments, of which i am clearly disturbed, they will take Hania's advise right away and rush for the fridge. If this was the case of using an ice-pack, kum-kum, ajwan, chillies, lemons, candle etc., for some body ache or disease it would not have mattered. Catches do not kill and i have nothing against SYs trying for 18, 22 years or even entire lifetimes ridding of petty problems that the Mother Kundalini can cure in seconds, .......... provided they do not enlighten others with their ignorance. But we are talking about a heart attack that kills in a short time. Great care should be taken that the easily-influenced Yuvashakti are given precise instructions in such serious life-and-death situations. We just cannot assume they will know what to do. It is just irresponsible to presume so. And if in future some SY advises using a newly discovered ISYLCCCC matka treatment for appendicitis without first explicitly mentioning an immediate visit to a physician, i am not going to let it pass also. The court case was a worst-case scenario as probable as getting run down by a yellow Humvee while jay-walking on a red light on Sunday after sneaking out of mass at the EZ Salvation Church. We just cannot discount that possibility despite the astronomical chances of probability. But Rajan, you are absolutely right about Shri Ganesha and His protection. When Shri Ganesh is watching all Sahajis and it is Yogakshem Awahamyam (Your Welfare Is My Responsibility) after crossing the Sahasrara, why do we or any Sahaji brother/sister need to worry about a catch, bhoot or badha? Samarpan & total trust in Shri Ganesh and the Nirakaar is necessary for all Sahajis suffering from years of catches and negativity. But the problem, Rajan, is that SYs have more faith in chillies and lemons than Shri Ganesha and the Nirakaar. Can the ISYLCCCC come up with a cure for this lack of faith? ............... or, given my lack of expertise in this area, is it actually a catch? jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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