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I dont know why, but i think that people are

intentionally not replying to my mail (ref: all the

things about - have i crossed sahastrara or not, the

feeling that something is blooming on my head)

 

Even the last time I was really wondering what (just

out of 'pure' intellectual curiosity) happens if

someone puts heat on the right heart. (Courtesy:

zenyogi)Of course jagbir, you had did drive a point

through that i should not waste time with these

things....what choice do i have anyways.

 

Even at the temple, if i ask anyone anything, they say

just leave it to mother. i.e A month or so ago, i felt

this huge ball of heat behind my nose, and it was

causing great discomfort. I was under the impression

that its a blockage on the path of the kundalini, and

nobody would give me a solution.

 

A month or so before that, i used to get pains on the

sides of my head, sometimes in front sometimes at the

back...phew!! That almost almost got me panicky. Again

i thought it must be the seats of the chakras that are

reacting to something, maybe my own negative thought

patterns. Someone told me that those were the baloons

of the ego and superego that have since

subsided.....maybe its true...but what if it had been

a physical problem!

 

I just dont understand what the big secret is about!!!

I get mails all the time from ex-sahaja yogis who give

me facts and figures on why i should quit. But i

havent. In fact i write to them, trying to explain

esoteric philosophy to them, and try to convince them

not to waste a lifetime in frivilous things....to get

back into sahaj. Call it a change in nature induced by

Mataji, or call it anything. Maybe its an inherent

trait that I am concerned for those who get lost on

the path.

 

Jagbir...gulp..im out this time...arent I ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Alex why do you think that people are intentionally not replying to

ur mail?

 

You are free to wonder anything out of " pure intellectual curiosity "

and even subject anyone on this forum or in your collective to

your " pure intellectual curiosity " but do not expect an answer to

each and every one of your " pure intellectual curiosity " .No one has

all the answers.

 

I also had some " pure intellectual curiosity " early on but then I

somehow knew which were worth pursuing and which are just

plain " imagination " of my own.Also after a while if you mix with the

collective you will know who can give you proper explainations to

your " pure intellectual curiosity " if you must have the answers.I

always believed nobody owed me a solution/remedy to my

problems/curiosity and still do so.There is no secret ...........

sometimes no one has the answers, sometimes you get the answers as

you progress in your ascent.

 

If you cannot surrender it all to Mother and at the same time are

fearful that what you are going thru maybe a physical problem you

would be better off being re-assured by a medical doctor.

 

I have friends who are ex-SYogi/nis but they never ever tell me to

leave SYoga.Since you are still struggling it is best to stop

discussiing SYoga with those telling you to leave for a certain

period of time.They have left for their own reasons and I know people

leave for the most absurd of reasons - due to another SYogi

(equivalent to Lord Jesus's disciples forsaking Him due to Judas

Iscariot), pressure to marry within SYoga(which I believe is non-

existent since I never experienced it and have yet to come across

anyone having experienced it), lies about Mother[no point discussing

lies ] etc etc

 

So meditate twice a day , read/listen Shree Mataji's talks and ask

yourself whether the " pure intellectual curiosity " is top priority or

becoming more grounded in SYoga knowledge is.

 

As a last resort , you may want to go to SYIH at Belapur to really

get yourself going in SYoga if everything else fails(the ex-SYogis

will tell you that it is a ploy to make money for SYoga......... ha!

ha!).

 

Balwinder

 

shriadishakti , alex arthur <dude11976>

wrote:

> I dont know why, but i think that people are

> intentionally not replying to my mail (ref: all the

> things about - have i crossed sahastrara or not, the

> feeling that something is blooming on my head)

>

> Even the last time I was really wondering what (just

> out of 'pure' intellectual curiosity) happens if

> someone puts heat on the right heart. (Courtesy:

> zenyogi)Of course jagbir, you had did drive a point

> through that i should not waste time with these

> things....what choice do i have anyways.

>

> Even at the temple, if i ask anyone anything, they say

> just leave it to mother. i.e A month or so ago, i felt

> this huge ball of heat behind my nose, and it was

> causing great discomfort. I was under the impression

> that its a blockage on the path of the kundalini, and

> nobody would give me a solution.

>

> A month or so before that, i used to get pains on the

> sides of my head, sometimes in front sometimes at the

> back...phew!! That almost almost got me panicky. Again

> i thought it must be the seats of the chakras that are

> reacting to something, maybe my own negative thought

> patterns. Someone told me that those were the baloons

> of the ego and superego that have since

> subsided.....maybe its true...but what if it had been

> a physical problem!

>

> I just dont understand what the big secret is about!!!

> I get mails all the time from ex-sahaja yogis who give

> me facts and figures on why i should quit. But i

> havent. In fact i write to them, trying to explain

> esoteric philosophy to them, and try to convince them

> not to waste a lifetime in frivilous things....to get

> back into sahaj. Call it a change in nature induced by

> Mataji, or call it anything. Maybe its an inherent

> trait that I am concerned for those who get lost on

> the path.

>

> Jagbir...gulp..im out this time...arent I ?

>

 

>

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shriadishakti , alex arthur <dude11976>

wrote:

> Dear Doctor Balwinder,

>

> I am a little confused as to whether I should thank

> you or shy away from what seems like reprimand. In any

> case your sarcasm came shining through. Your constant

> and incessant use of my 'pure intellectual curiosity'

> is indeed commendable. After going through so many of

> mothers lectures, I am sure you must be one of the

> advanced sahaj yogis who have developed sarcasm as one

> of the divine qulaities reflected in the devas.

>

 

Alex,

 

You are reading sarcasm in Balwinder's reply?!!!!! i am flabbergasted

and definitely not envious at your ability to read insults in what

many will regard as an honest reply.

 

So you are offended by " pure intellectual curiosity " , which Balwinder

himself admitted confused him as the infinite range of questions

requiring answers can make even advanced gurus sick ............ of

the questions and the person asking. Have you really met a guru who

will answer the " pure intellectual curiosity " of their ignorant

disciples?

 

So your question was whether your kundalini crossed the Sahasrara?

After so many months in Sahaja Yoga you are asking this dumb

question. It is just like doubting yourself if you were given human

birth ................ or bought off a supermarket shelf. Haven't you

realized yet that from the very moment you were given self-

realization your kundalini DID CROSS THE SAHASRARA?!!!! .............

even if just a single strand made it. You mean you are still in the

dark?

 

All these months your Mother Kundalini has been working really hard

to heal you, and that is why you are still feeling the problems. i

don't know but your past must have been one hell of a one-night-

stand, and that is why you are still not stabilizing. (Now don't

crucify me on this one-night-stand because i enjoyed similar days

before Shri Mataji turned an animal like me into a human being.)

 

However, if you still persist in satisfying your " pure intellectual

curiosity " then you have another thing coming. Your Agnya will only

increase reacting and answers will like a hydra divide itself into

more questions. There is no end to this " pure intellectual curiosity "

that you are seeking from SYs. We are all trying to cease this

useless mental chatter in our minds and seek answers from the Divine

Silence. So why are you trying to get suspect answers from mere

humans when the Divine can answer all your can throw ...........

provided you learn to pose your answers in a humble, dignified manner.

 

But if you have any physical problems just go and see a doctor. Do

your consider Dr. Balwinder's request you do so an insult?!!!!! i

just cannot believe you feel offended by everything he has told you

because i would have given you similar advise .............. and not

take your Bata shoe and find a nice spot to beat the ground. He is a

doctor Alex, for crying out loud. Your physical complaints may just

turn out to be, Shri Mataji forbid, a cause for concern:

 

" I dont even want to imagine the total cost and trauma

associated with a CAT scan/MRI and specialist fees in

trying to figure out if im dying of a brain tumor!! "

 

Howver, the preliminary examination may be just turn out to be a

small pimple growing on your head, and you will be really relieved

that you do not have a brain tumor .......... or need to pay 92,000

rupees. So why flog him for trying to honestly help you?

 

i have no problems about you enlightening those against Shri Mataji

with esoteric essays and kundalini courses. Remember Jesus' parable

about casting pearls before swine?

 

And regarding the snail-pace spread of Sahaja Yoga. Everything will

turn out just fine in the future. She has just begun to recede from

Her external physical form and turning attention to Her internal,

eternal spiritual reality as the Maha-Devi, Shri Lalita, Divine

Mother - the Shakti of All. Everything is just proceeding perfectly!

 

jagbir

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Alex

 

You have a very humble way of adressing this forum and it is to your

advantage. Remember, there is no one higher or lower in sahaja

yoga. The Adi Shakti will be subtle and not scare you.

 

When the kundalini enlightens a thousands petals, it has a thousands

ways of doing it. Every time you will go into a state of

thoughtless awareness, you will experience it's enlightening

nature.

 

Just enjoy!

 

Françoise

 

 

-- In shriadishakti , alex arthur <dude11976>

wrote:

> I dont know why, but i think that people are

> intentionally not replying to my mail (ref: all the

> things about - have i crossed sahastrara or not, the

> feeling that something is blooming on my head)

>

> Even the last time I was really wondering what (just

> out of 'pure' intellectual curiosity) happens if

> someone puts heat on the right heart. (Courtesy:

> zenyogi)Of course jagbir, you had did drive a point

> through that i should not waste time with these

> things....what choice do i have anyways.

>

> Even at the temple, if i ask anyone anything, they say

> just leave it to mother. i.e A month or so ago, i felt

> this huge ball of heat behind my nose, and it was

> causing great discomfort. I was under the impression

> that its a blockage on the path of the kundalini, and

> nobody would give me a solution.

>

> A month or so before that, i used to get pains on the

> sides of my head, sometimes in front sometimes at the

> back...phew!! That almost almost got me panicky. Again

> i thought it must be the seats of the chakras that are

> reacting to something, maybe my own negative thought

> patterns. Someone told me that those were the baloons

> of the ego and superego that have since

> subsided.....maybe its true...but what if it had been

> a physical problem!

>

> I just dont understand what the big secret is about!!!

> I get mails all the time from ex-sahaja yogis who give

> me facts and figures on why i should quit. But i

> havent. In fact i write to them, trying to explain

> esoteric philosophy to them, and try to convince them

> not to waste a lifetime in frivilous things....to get

> back into sahaj. Call it a change in nature induced by

> Mataji, or call it anything. Maybe its an inherent

> trait that I am concerned for those who get lost on

> the path.

>

> Jagbir...gulp..im out this time...arent I ?

>

 

>

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shriadishakti , alex arthur <dude11976>

wrote:

> Dear Jagbirji,

>

> 'pure intellectual curiosity' - Though i must

> disagree, most gurus do answer questions and dont get

> sick of disciples..some of them have so much knowledge

> that they write books. As far as i am concerned, you

> are my guru as i asked you the questions.

>

 

Alex, i always want you to be your own guru. This is one of the main

reasons this forum has been set up i.e., allow newcomers to ascend

faster than going through all that hurdles and obstacles many

encounter. But a more pressing reason is to prevent them from getting

conditioned and fearful of negativity and all that pettiness.

 

Don't call me a guru because by doing so you just confirm yourself to

be a lesser being. Answering questions does not make one a guru. i am

just giving you advise and options that you must cross-examine with

your own discretion. What i know is just what my Guru within has

taught me. The same Guru also can teach you if you care to meditate

and reach a deeper state of consciousness than others.

 

 

>

> 'pure intellectual curiosity' -Bata shoe works, its a

> method suggested by mataji to combat ego. If you

> symbolize it to beating yourself with shoes, you will

> perhaps be kind to neophyte sajhaj yogis

>

 

SYs use shoe-beating for destroying the ego far less than getting rid

of catches and negativity. i am just telling you to spare your shoes

and instead harness the vast powers of the Mother Kundalini within.

Why follow temple priests to journey a hundred miles when mystics can

teach you how to reach that destination without even taking a step?

 

 

> 'pure intellectual curiosity' -As for the parable on

> casting pearls before swine...well what can i

> say...they are seekers too. They have doubts that we

> cant answer...does not make them people of a lesser

> standard. Besides, you yourself wrote about someone

> from malaysia who saw present day sahaj yogis and

> decided he was better off meditating in a gurudwara.

>

 

If Jesus can say that to those who were with Him why can't i say the

same to those who are against Shri Mataji? How can you clear the

doubts of those who claim to be incarnations of Shri Vishnu etc, and

get thrown out of Sahaja Yoga? Why waste so much energy on swine when

you can enlighten genuine seekers?

 

It is better a SY happily meditating in a temple, even leaving Sahaja

Yoga, than a disgruntled one disturbing the whole collectivity.

 

 

> 'pure intellectual curiosity' can we please have peace

> now. I got all my answers. Thank you and may the

> divine blessings ensure a fun weekend.

>

 

Alex, we are all here to learn and progress, and that uncludes

myself. i sure have learnt from this forum and that is going to help

me check my bearings and move in the right direction. Sure some

feathers are going to be ruffled. i for one will not sweeten my words

and try to woo you to stay in Sahaja Yoga. If you want honest answers

the truth may just hurt. So better the truth that hurts today so that

tomorrow you will enjoy the freedom of being your own guru. i really,

REALLY want you and all SYs to be inner mystics rather than external

priests. So don't be offended in any way.

 

jagbir

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shriadishakti , alex arthur <dude11976>

wrote:

Dear Doctor Balwinder,

 

I am a little confused as to whether I should thank

you or shy away from what seems like reprimand. In any

case your sarcasm came shining through. Your constant

and incessant use of my 'pure intellectual curiosity'

is indeed commendable. After going through so many of

mothers lectures, I am sure you must be one of the

advanced sahaj yogis who have developed sarcasm as one

of the divine qulaities reflected in the devas.

 

Balwinder:

I do not consider myself advanced sahaja yogi.

As for sarcasm ........ I am sorry that you feel that way since no

sarcasm was meant.

 

True to my expectation, I did not get one single answer. Oh well, if

such is our expectation then such will be the result I can only

wonder what the other sahaj yogis are going to say in response (my

expectation is heading south from sarcastic to ascerbic). Anyways,

thank you for the reply. I gather that your answer was

a)You dont know

Balwinder:

Jagbir has already answered most if not all your questions.

 

b) I should go to Belapur (To find out if my kundalini

has crossed the sahastrar!!!!!!!)

Balwinder:

I wonder how you reached to that conclusion.All I wrote was " As a

last resort , you may want to go to SYIH at Belapur to really get

yourself going in SYoga if everything else fails " .As for crossing the

Sahasrara , it happened the day you got your Self realization (as

Jagbir mentioned and any SYogi/ni will tell you) – I am very

surprised that you actually want to know that since everyone is told

that on the very day they get their SR.

 

c)Dont expect replies on a forum

Balwinder:

I wonder how you reached to that conclusion.You can expect replies

but IMHO you should refrain from saying " that people are

intentionally not replying to my mail " when only a few people reply

or you get few replies.IMHO I seriously doubt any SYogi/ni is

intentionally not relpying your mail.

 

d)If I feel something perfectly natural, I should rush to a doctor to

console myself

Balwinder:

I wonder how you reached to that conclusion.

You said that " A month or so before that, i used to get pains on the

sides of my head, sometimes in front sometimes at the back...phew!!

That almost almost got me panicky. Again i thought it must be the

seats of the chakras that are reacting to something, maybe my own

negative thought patterns. Someone told me that those were the

balloons of the ego and superego that have since subsided.....maybe

its true...but what if it had been a physical problem! "

You are talking about your head/brain and sound seriously concerned

and are not talking about something perfectly normal, you are doubting

(maybe its true but what if) - You seek medical advise when in doubt

about it being a physical problem.I would rather advise SYogi/nis who

doubt about something being a physical problem to seek medical

opinion than them later blaming SYoga(for delay or not seeking

treatment) if it really turns out to be a medical problem.Here you

were doubting whether you had a physical problem in your head.I know

it has passed but in future too the advise is the same - when in doubt

whether you have a physical problem and no one can clear your doubt ,

seek medical opinion.

 

After reading the following remainder of your mail , I cannot

understand why you are accusing me of " you must be one of the

advanced sahaj yogis who have developed sarcasm as one of the divine

qulaities reflected in the devas " .Please do not

(1)confuse years in SYoga as measure of advancement in ascent

(2)confuse genuine advise as sarcasm even if it is not something that

you expected to hear.This reaction could just be the very reason

people refrain from replying to your mails - IMHO.

 

In shriadishakti , alex arthur <dude11976> wrote:

Lets explore point >d< in greater detail

Givens:

Distance from home to doc: 16km

Transport: AC car

Traffic: Maddening

Consultation charge: Rs. 500

 

CASE 1

Doctor Doctor my hands keep itching all the while.

This centre part mostly, and doctor doctor they become

dry and itchy too.

 

Prescription

 

Candiderma B - 3 times a day

Anti allergic tabs

Come back again in 4 days

 

Total estimated damage:

 

Two consultations + Petrol + 5 hrs of cumulative

wait/transport time + medication

.....OUCH!

 

CASE 2

Pains on the side of my head (Perfectly normal in

sahaj as this is the time that the seats are being

activated in the head and negativity fights a losing

battle. Also indicated as catches. Note: Incidence is

more when the disciple tries to ascend at a high

speed)

 

Prescription

I dont even want to imagine the total cost and trauma

associated with a CAT scan/MRI and specialist fees in

trying to figure out if im dying of a brain tumor!!

 

In summary, doctor Balwinder, if i were to ever become

one of the advanced sahaj yogis as you are, then I

would pray for the souls of all those who ever dare to

ask a question in my presence.