shhh! more enlightenment from Kali Yuga gurus who wrote books

[Guest guest]

shriadishakti , alex arthur <dude11976>

wrote:

>

> 'pure intellectual curiosity' - Though i must

> disagree, most gurus do answer questions and dont get

> sick of disciples..some of them have so much knowledge

> that they write books. As far as i am concerned, you

> are my guru as i asked you the questions.

>

 

There are more falsehoods of Mr. A.C. in his bulky seven volume

Collected Lectures on Bhagavad-gita As It Is but only one more

example will be mentioned to enlighten his misguided Hare Krsna

devotees.

 

On pages 654-659 of Vol. 7 a guest with a sharp mind tears to shreds

the knowledge that Swami A.C. dispenses worldwide and, indirectly,

his claim of ancient `Krsna lineage.' In the end this

vegetarian brahmin flees from battle and seeks shelter under the

skirt of diversionary tactics and rambling dialogue. The highlights

are:

 

Guest: If I am not mistaken, I think I heard that Krsna

established religion, re-established.

 

(Indian man): Now who established before Krsna?

 

Prabhupada: Krsna.

 

Guest: When Krsna was born, who was born before Krsna?

 

Prabhupada: Krsna is never born.

 

Guest: Krsna was not born?

 

Prabhupada: No

 

Guest: Oh, that satisfies me very much. I was taught

that . . .(indistinct)

 

(Next highlight)

 

Guest: Yes, I understand. This Caitanya was incarnation of

Krsna.

 

Prabhupada: Yes.

 

Guest: Before Caitanya was who, Krsna or anyone in between?

 

Prabhupada: Before Caitanya? In the Kali-yuga. . . . Krsna was in

the Dvapara-yuga, and Caitanya was in the Kali-yuga.

 

Guest: So between Caitanya and Krsna there was not anybody.

And before there was no one.

 

Prabhupada: No, there were others also, before Krsna.

 

Guest: Before Krsna, who was?

 

Prabhupada: Before Krsna there was Lord Ramacandra. Yes.

 

Guest: So Krsna took the incarnation of Lord Ramacandra.

 

Prabhupada: No. Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He

appears sometimes as Lord Ramacandra, or as Lord

Caitanya, or sometimes others, like that.

 

Guest: But with the name Krsna, He appeared after Ramacandra.

 

Prabhupada: Yes. Yes.

 

Guest: And I heard you also saying that Caitanya was

disciple of Madhvan-dasa-pura. (?)

 

Prabhupada: Yes, Madhva. Madhvacarya samoradaya, yes.

 

Guest: He was disciple of. Now, was he born after Krsna

or . . .

 

Prabhupada: No, he was born before. . . Who? Madhvacarya, you

mean to say? He was born long, long before Lord

Caitanya, after Krsna. Yes. Krsna. . . Krsna. . .

Krsna appeared on this planet five thousand years

ago. Madhvacarya appeared about one thousand years.

 

Guest: One thousand years before. That means he appeared

after Vyasa. Sri Vyasa.

 

Prabhupada: Yes. Vyasa was contemporary to Krsna. Vyasa.

 

Guest: And Caitanya was disciple of Madhvan-dasa-pura.

 

Prabhupada: Madhva. . . Not Madhvacarya directly. By his

disciplic succession.

 

Guest: Yes. But Madhva was not a incarnation of Krsna.

 

Prabhupada: No. no, no, no. A acarya does not require to become

incarnation of Krishna. Not always all the acaryas

are incarnation of Krsna. No. They are devotees. They

are devotees.

 

Guest: Yes. That means Caitanya was incarnation of Krsna?

 

Prabhupada: Yes.

 

Guest: But was a disciple of someone who was not incarnation.

 

Prabhupada: Yes.

 

Guest: Thank you.

 

Prabhupada: Yes. That is possible. (Hindi) You were inquiring

about Isvara Puri, who was direct spiritual master of

Lord Caitanya?

 

Guest: No. I thought because Lord Caitanya was incarnation

of Krsna. . . (break)

 

Prabhupada: Yes.

 

Guest: So he would not have a guru or. . .

 

Prabhupada: Yes, yes, yes, yes. There is no difference between

devotee and God. You see? Sometimes a devotee is

given a greater place than God Himself. . .

 

Guest: But Krsna was not disciple of anyone.

 

Prabhupada: Yes.

 

Guest: Whose disciple was Krsna?

 

Prabhupada: He was disciple of Sandipani Muni. Everyone has to be

a disciple. That is the Vedic system. Tad-

vijnanartham gurum evabhigacceth. Without becoming

disciple, nobody can understand.

 

Guest: No, but Krsna was Supreme God.

 

Prabhupada: That not. . . Supreme. . . But He was playing. . .

[long diversionary dialogue ending with further

insult to intelligence] " If you become bhakta,

then you can understand bhagavat. . . (Hindi)

Otherwise it is not possible. " (Hindi) (End)