Will Amma triumph as the Adi Shakti after Shri Mataji leaves?

[Guest guest]

> shriadishakti , jagbir singh

> <adishakti_org> wrote:

> >

> > Sai Baba became Bhagwan because his devotees advertised him

> > to be just that. Amma is now the Divine Mother of choice

> > because her devotees are beginning to proclaim so. Many of

> > Amma's devotees are well-financed, intelligent and convinced

> > professionals compared to SYs. They know that for their guru to

> > succeed Amma must be projected as the Divine Mother, as Shri

> > Lalita, the Devi, the Shakti of All. And they have vigorously

> > pursued this end since 1999, and it is beginning to pay handsome

> > dividends.

> >

> > The longer they continue the much harder will it become in future

> > for SYs to convince others that Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is

> > indeed the Divine Mother, as Shri Lalita, the Devi, the Shakti of

> > All. Once seekers are won over it becomes a very difficult task

> > to sway them back. (And i have no idea how more harder that will

> > become if Shri Mataji ever leaves Earth soon.)

> >

> > It is time for senior SYs, leaders and coordinator to venture out

> > of their collective caves and assess the dire straits they are

> > steering the Sahaja Yoga ship into by their lack of vision and

> > foresight. i am telling so because there is an abyss not far from

> > today. They should know that it takes considerable time to turn a

> > ship around. Do it while the physical Adi Shakti is still around

> > because the prevailing belief amongst the majority of SYs if She

> > is also within our Sahasraras remains highly controversial at

> > best. So don't be surprised if Amma also occupies the Thousand-

> > petaled Lotus ....................... and ride tigers as well!

> >

 

>

>

> Amma's devotees are now claiming that their guru once saw a vision

> of the Divine Mother when she was young, and that is the reason she

> is also Her incarnation. They are now using this single unverified

> claim of a 'vision' to stake their claim that Amma is the Shakti.

>

>

 

i have just checked and found the page where Amma claims having a

vision of the Divine Mother. It is on one of their homepage titled,

Union With The Divine Mother, and it states:

 

" Sublime as it was, Krishna Bhava was not the culmination of

Sudhamani's sadhana (spiritual practices). One day, soon after the

advent of Krishna Bhava, She had an unforgettable vision of Adi

Parashakti (the Primordial Power, or the Divine Mother). So

enrapturing was the vision that Sudhamani yearned with all Her being

to become one with the Divine Mother.

 

Before this, Sudhamani had been able to continue doing the housework

on days between Krishna Bhavas. Now, She could not even care for

herself. She often forgot to bathe or even eat, such was Her longing

to see Devi. She considered even these daily necessities as a waste

of time; she wanted to spend every moment thinking of the Divine

Mother. She would not even take a step without uttering, " Amma. " ...

 

Sudhamani's longing for the Divine Mother became so strong that she

could no longer think about anything else. She didn't take care of

herself or notice anything around her. She no longer knew the

difference between day and night. She lay on the ground in a state of

deep meditation. She didn't notice when the sun was burning hot or

when it poured with rain.

 

Her consequent transcendental union with the Divine Mother is

poignantly described in Her original bhajan, Ananda Veethi.

 

" … Seeing nothing as apart from my own Self,

A single unity, and merging in the Divine Mother,

I renounced all sense of enjoyment.

" Mother told me to ask the people

To fulfil their human birth. Therefore,

I proclaim to the whole world

The sublime truth that She uttered,

'Oh Man, merge in your Self!' "

 

After this experience, the Universal Motherhood that was awakened

within Her made Her spontaneously embrace everyone who came to Her,

experiencing each one as Her very own child. Hundreds of people were

coming each day to spend a few moments in Her arms. Amma would listen

to their sorrows and console them. She also began teaching them about

the true purpose of life. "

 

http://www.amritapuri.org/amma/life/union.htm

 

 

So SYs, that is how Amma laid claim to be the Universal Mother " that

was awakened within Her " . With growing number of devotees having more

faith and valor to openly declare that Amma is the Divine Mother who

will save humanity, it may soon become just too late for SYs to turn

the tide.

 

When i first came to know Shri Mataji in 1994 it surprised me that so

little was claimed in public, in contrast to the loud announcements

in private pujas and meetings. i asked around why we are keeping

quiet about our deepest conviction that Shri Mataji is the Adi

Shakti. The answers were almost parrot-like and hypocritically

untrue: New people will not be able to take it.

 

i just could not believe the number of SYs who actually believed this

nonsense. The whole collective consensus was that proclaiming Her

would just invite public ridicule and frighten seekers to flee. Shri

Mataji's identity was to be kept a secret until the new seeker was

established in Sahaja Yoga.

 

And a secret it was kept by zealous SYs to the point where most left

long before, saving SYs the obviously stressful task of unveiling the

identity of the Adi Shakti.

 

i remember meetings where a Polish woman, after a few public

meetings, practically begged us to tell more about Shri Mataji than

the introductory " great guru " response. She told us that she knew

Mother was more than just a great guru because Shri Mataji had begun

to help her solve serious problems.

 

But no one ever told her anything more, despite numerous pleas,

because of the official code of silence. That was the last we saw of

her. (i am sure there are many similar stories of lost opportunities

due to dumb 'official' codes of silence.)

 

Today we are confronted by the ironic success of a divine mother

whose devotees have no qualms about publicly proclaiming beforehand

what we SYs have been brainstormed to keep secret. Why are they

succeeding on the very grounds we were told to avoid?

 

So now we have come to the crossroads of a growing crisis. The longer

SY leaders twiddle their thumbs and hesitate to make a decisive move

to counter the rise of Amma as the Divine Mother, the more difficult

will it become to spread Shri Mataji's message in future. The fact

that Shri Mataji is now on the verge of retirement and the spread of

Sahaja Yoga excruciatingly slow, it is critical that leaders respond

to this emergency. It will be irresponsible of them to overlook the

growing possibility that Amma may just triumph as the Adi Shakti

after Shri Mataji leaves. Take a stand while the physical Shri Mataji

still inspires confidence and faith to act.

 

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

shriadishakti , " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

> http://www.amritapuri.org/amma/life/union.htm

>

>

> So SYs, that is how Amma laid claim to be the Universal

Mother " that was awakened within Her " . With growing number of

devotees having more faith and valor to openly declare that Amma is

the Divine Mother who will save humanity, it may soon become just

too late for SYs to turn the tide.

>

> When i first came to know Shri Mataji in 1994 it surprised me that

so little was claimed in public, in contrast to the loud

announcements in private pujas and meetings. i asked around why we

are keeping quiet about our deepest conviction that Shri Mataji is

the Adi Shakti. The answers were almost parrot-like and

hypocritically untrue: New people will not be able to take it.

 

i just could not believe the number of SYs who actually believed this

> nonsense. The whole collective consensus was that proclaiming Her

> would just invite public ridicule and frighten seekers to flee.

Shri Mataji's identity was to be kept a secret until the new seeker

was established in Sahaja Yoga.

>

> And a secret it was kept by zealous SYs to the point where most

left long before, saving SYs the obviously stressful task of

unveiling the identity of the Adi Shakti.

>

> i remember meetings where a Polish woman, after a few public

> meetings, practically begged us to tell more about Shri Mataji than

> the introductory " great guru " response. She told us that she knew

> Mother was more than just a great guru because Shri Mataji had

begun to help her solve serious problems.

>

> But no one ever told her anything more, despite numerous pleas,

> because of the official code of silence. That was the last we saw

of her. (i am sure there are many similar stories of lost

opportunities due to dumb 'official' codes of silence.)

>

> Today we are confronted by the ironic success of a divine mother

> whose devotees have no qualms about publicly proclaiming beforehand

> what we SYs have been brainstormed to keep secret. Why are they

> succeeding on the very grounds we were told to avoid?

>

> So now we have come to the crossroads of a growing crisis. The

longer SY leaders twiddle their thumbs and hesitate to make a

decisive move to counter the rise of Amma as the Divine Mother, the

more difficult will it become to spread Shri Mataji's message in

future. The fact that Shri Mataji is now on the verge of retirement

and the spread of Sahaja Yoga excruciatingly slow, it is critical

that leaders respond to this emergency. It will be irresponsible of

them to overlook the growing possibility that Amma may just triumph

as the Adi Shakti after Shri Mataji leaves. Take a stand while the

physical Shri Mataji still inspires confidence and faith to act.

 

 

 

What has been written about Amma is very " enlightening "

 

About 3 weeks ago I was in the office of a SYogi who is a lawyer by

profession and who some in my collective have already labeled as ex-

SYogi just because he stopped coming to the collective.He had 2

beautiful photos of Mother in his office and I am sure he has the

same in his home.He still meditates regularly and gives the credit to

his enlightment to Shree Mataji.At that time Amma was just about to

arrive in Malaysia to give her blessings via hugs.He mentioned the

fact that about 40,000 people are going to be there waiting for Amma

and look at SYoga , even with Shree Mataji who is the AdiShakti we

cannot muster such numbers and secondly hardly anyone knows who She

is.What are we doing about it , he asked. I was lost for words

because that is a fact we have to face like it or not.

 

Secondly the high and powerful members of society (top 0.001% in

Malaysia) paid a visit to her for her hugs and blessings and this

includes even Muslims.One of them even commented that she felt her

allergy had improved.This just makes the work to spread SYoga via al-

qiyamah to Muslims more urgent to me at least because it shows that

people are ready and have faith in Divinity be it a Hindu sounding

and looking lady like Amma – only that they got the " wrong Mother "

IMHO.

 

Your mails about the " ascent of Amma " as far as devotees and

popularity and financial clout and achievements may even make

SYogi/ni's spirits low and create a dreary and pessimistic future in

their minds.Many may/will deny the feeling and be in the witness

state and I would also like to do that but the facts of the last

30yrs of progress are too obvious to ignore.We have to really ask

ourselves what has SYoga achieved in the past 30yrs and whether we

could do much better in future in a much shorter time and how.The

World council meets in Mother's presence in the 1st week of July and

we hope that something concrete will come out of it giving a greater

sense of direction and urgency to the spread of Shri Adishatkti's

message.

 

I still have faith that Mother will triumph ultimately but all

SYogi/nis need to really,really work hard and do the work in whatever

way they feel will help.Some believe in giving lots of SR , lots of

classes – I am just going to focus on how to get the Muslims into

SYoga which is no easy task and am grateful for your al-qiyamah

site.I occasionally need the gloomy news of us SYogi/ni's getting

licked in the real world by followers of other " gurus " or even

by " commercially driven gurus " – it gives a proper prespective to the

actual picture.Nevertheless we do not know what tomorrow or even the

next hour may bring .........

 

Balwinder

[Guest guest]

shriadishakti , " indiblondi " <belanire>

wrote:

>

> This was something i was feeling from quite some time....the insane

> type of frantic following the bogus gurus have and how difficult it

> gets to convince someone to quit them and follow Shri Adishakti.

> Iam visiting my aunty's home ...can any SYogi tell me what can i do

> to help spread SY? ...i spoke about Mataji briefly to my aunty and

> she was just turned off by the idea of Shri Jesus and me not going

> vegetarian after joining SY...i will try again in few days to get

> them to visit the temple where i read on internet they have some SY

> on wednesday..and maybe just hold back some info that may turn her

> off again...ironically her husband socially plays tabla at bhajans

> and at those of the afro-hippie hair bogus sai baba who seems to

> have a good following...

>

 

Sohniya, you are right, false gurus have this gift of deceiving

people into believing they are divine. In this class i think Sai Baba

takes the crown with his diamonds and watches up his sleeve acts.

However modern technology caught up with him and his 'divinity'' was

actually a sleight of hand magic.

 

But it is his sexual liaisons with young devotees that is bringing

this 'bhagwan' down to earth and exposing him as a lecherous wolf in

sheepskin. You can get information like this on the internet exposing

his falsehood and bringing about his destruction:

 

---------------

 

" The Sai Baba expose in Denmark is heating up, and assuming the

dimensions of a big scandal. After the one hour documentary

titled " Seduced " on Danish National television DR, yesterday, Sai

Baba has become nationally known as the pedophile fake guru of India.

Several newspapers carried the story of the sensational expose

documentary, in prominent columns today. The prime time news again

carried reports of this documentary in most of the news editions

today, with prominent religious researchers, Church leaders, and

Mayors being interviewed for opinions.

 

Several foreign embassies based in Copenhagen have called DR asking

for details as well as reporting back to their respective countries.

Due to the tremendous interest and reactions to yesterday's

documentary, DR again decided to do a show on Sai Baba today. Jorgen

Trygved, one of the most prominent members of the Sai Baba

organization was returning from overseas today, and DR caught up with

him at the airport. He went straight to the TV studios and was put on

live on a program. He was given an opportunity to defend these

allegations against Sai Baba, with a telephone line open to the

public, on prime time.

 

Jorgen Trygved stuck to the usual line of SB followers , saying these

charges were just imaginations by a few people and just internet

rumours. Then the news program played clips of Jed Geyerhahn, Sam

Young etc, and asked Jorgen Trygved what he has to say to all this.

Jorgen Trygved tried to avoid the question, but was forced to admit

on national television that Sai Baba did indeed fondle the genitals

of young men, but that was for their own good, and for " energy

transformation " .

 

CCG member, exposee Ole Alstrup ( who,along with Anders Thisted, was

one of the prime moving forces behind the Danish developments),

called the live show by phone, and cornered Trygved by questioning

him whether he had ever spoken to any one victim at least. Trygved

was forced to admit he had not, and had to say that he would do so.

Alstrup further spoke to the show, detailing the extremely harmful

effect that the pedophile fake guru Sai Baba has had on individuals'

lives.

 

The TV show questioned Trygved, whether he thought that the UNESCO,

British Parliament, FBI, CBI, major media agencies around the world,

US Dept of State ( which has issued a warning) etc., were all fools

to be misled for a long time by " internet rumors " by a handful of

persons, and why they had taken these things seriously. Trygved could

not give any satisfactory response, kept repeating himself, and ended

up looking very foolish .

 

The Mayor was interviewed, and he confirmed that the Sai Baba

organization has indeed purchased a big castle in Frederiksburg, but

no permission has been sought, nor given for starting any educational

program. The transactions are being scrutinised, and the Mayor has

said that in the event of any legal development in the Sai Baba

pedophilia case, no permission will be granted, and the SB org's

status as a Faith society will be cancelled, and also Sai Baba

educational programs will not be given permissions.

 

Other TV channels, and media agencies in Denmark and elsewhere in

Europe are picking up these developments, and it appears that the SB

org is going to be torn to pieces in the media very soon. "

 

---------------------

 

As far as your auntie is concerned it is my experience that older

generations are very difficult to convince. Years of conditioning

into adulthood cannot be erased within weeks/months. Millions of

Hindus are vegetarians and worship idols despite being unable to

produce even a single verse of the holy scriptures that support these

practices. They know little about other religions and have their own

exclusive deity to worship. And if your auntie is a Hindu, then how

can she deny Christ as i thought Hindus embrace all religions and

their prophets? ....................... or is this just lip-

service?

 

It is not that i am discouraging you from trying but do not get

disappointed. And with a Sai Baba bhajan-intoxicated uncle your

chances are slim that his wife will listen.

 

>

> why is that?? is it all the publicity they generate..the

> instant " feel good " factor they offer to people...i agree with

> jagbirji on the way the SY leaders keep mum at giving out

> info...ironically this was what lead me to research on the net and

> i came across useful sites like this and valaya.com etc. if i hadnt

> i would have probably quit SY long ago at being frustrated on not

> knowing anything and getting the " just foot-soak " reply for ALLLLL

> my questions from my local SY collective. My SY collective seems to

> need a lot of improvement but who'll listen?

>

 

Some established SYs think they are highly realized souls. These

ignorant folks determine advancement by years in Sahaja Yoga

(multiply that by 10.8 if you are physically close to Shri Mataji and

attending to Her needs, or 108 times if appointed leader.) There is

nothing that can be done to break down this pecking order. Some

senior SYs running collectives think they know better and will regard

dissent as a sign of negativity that needs foot-soaking and shoe-

beating. So it is better you keep quiet because what you are

complaining today is the same i experienced ten years ago. If you are

new in Sahaja Yoga your opinions do not count.

 

Ten years ago i told my collective that we should be more transparent

in our efforts to project Shri Mataji and Her message. i was told

that the 'official policy' was to just give SR and Mother will take

care of everything. Over the years i kept emphasizing that Sahaja

Yoga will not progress until and unless we tell the truth, and stop

this subtle system obsession. The answers were the same. Today i

still stand on this principle .................... but no one

really cares. But for how long will they be able to witness empty

halls and dwindling collective members?

 

>

> Another thing is a lot of people havent even HEARD of Shri

> Mataji...they dont even know anything about " stuff called Sahaj

> Yoga " ..that includes ppl. living in my hometown as well as my

> aunties city. Sometimes i wish i could do something to have a

> documentary/film done on Shri Mataji and somehow generate publicity

> (read awareness), how can we expect more and more ppl. to come into

> Sy unless they even know about it and get curious/interested.

>

 

If you really want to help spread Sahaja Yoga your energy will be

optimally spent on a website. It will reach the maximum seekers with

least effort. By this i mean they will also get the self-realization

over the internet, complete strangers in far away places that you

will never meet. A SY website beats every other means of spreading

Sahaja Yoga hands down - no question at all! You will not have to

work like a Japanese beaver to be successful as being a lazy Siamese

cat will do fine. However, it MUST be your own original, not Xeroxed

copies that was part of Project 2800:

 

http://sahajayoga.ca/Project2800/

 

Free yourself from all external restrains and create your version of

Shri Mataji. Over months and years, with the guidance of the Shakti

within, it will turn out to be beyond all expectations. Few SYs

actually have really understood the immense potential of the

internet. If they had by now we would have had thousands of Sahaja

Yoga websites. Telling others of your kundalini experiences,

especially feeling the cool breeze, is vital to the success of Shri

Mataji's message to humanity. People will respond or at least be

aware that there is someone by the name of Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi.

 

My own website experience continues to amaze me as the Shakti within

watches and guides at all times ........................ provided

you remain thoughtlessly aware. If you unselfishly work for Her be

assured She will direct you. You will learn how to set free your own

vast potential to destroy falsehood and establish Truth. i cannot

explain this thoughtless state and how the Paramchaitanya responses

to your loyalty and devotion to the Maha-Devi within.

 

i keep emphasizing within as there is nothing to seek outside. Only

those who are able to seek Her within will comprehend what i am

talking about.

 

Let me give you an example. Last night i could not use the meditation

room with the altar upstairs, and the kids were watching TV in the

living room downstairs. So i meditated in the bedroom without any

image, something that i have been doing for some time,

against 'official' rules that Her photo is needed for meditation.

(SYs are so conditioned to 'see' Her photo prior to meditation.)

 

i just bowed to Her within me, raised my kundalini, said Shri

Ganesha's mantra and went into samadhi. It was one of the deepest

meditation i had.

 

So what is She telling me by this experience? ........... you are

progressing on the right path. That i why i keep telling SYs to be

their own masters, not slaves of the ignorant.

 

>

> Secondly, we must take care that once they do step in they do not

> get turned off by any stupid behaviour from existing SY who want to

> show off as the only possible existing true devotees of Mataji/

> critizing ppl.s catches/ not giving out useful info./ refusing to

> involve new comers into their tightly held watertight group or

> being open to suggestions to improve and learn/ to make Shri

> Mataji's tapes and other useful reading stuff easily available/

> guiding them to this website and other ones like valaya and

> shaja.so.uk/ having a well-behaved person to handle their queries

> and follow-up and encourage them to continue etc.

>

 

Sohniya, i am really thank you for pointing this out. Although you

will be labeled 'negative' please believe that only those who are

honest and really care about making changes will point out the

faults. SYs are conditioned to praise unconditionally. Those like you

and me are just misfits bringing trouble and negativity, and will be

exiled to the fringes of the collective. (But the backseat is the

best place to witness the centre stage clash of egos and power

struggles.)

 

The catch culture has now reached epidemic proportions, especially

with the Yuvashakti. SYs are getting so sick and resort to so many

treatments for countless catches that their claim of having their

kundalini awakened is actually an insult. When will these subtle

system diseases that continues plaguing SYs, even after years, end?

Why are they so sick for so long? Which sane seeker will actually

want to join Sahaja Yoga?

 

SYs also do not want to recognize that it is sometimes their behavior

that repels seekers. i have witnessed enough shocking, insensitive

behavior to understand why some leave Sahaja Yoga, and take others

along with them. Sometimes i wonder why even senior SYs can display

such disgusting behavior? (Like a SYogini very close to Shri Mataji

crudely scolding my 5-year-old son if he is high on drugs just

because she SUSPECTED him of using a marker pen on a tabla? What did

years in Sahaja Yoga teach her about compassion .............. and

you are innocent until proven guilty?)

 

If they had all those shining faces and blissful looks why are

seekers not joining them? If they are so enlightened why are others

not joining Sahaja Yoga? Why is the world not recognizing these

noble, self-realized souls?

 

The plain truth is that, except for a handful, most are just

ordinary. They can high-five each other till their palms get sore but

the fact will always remain that the outside world is far from

convinced. It will take a new breed of SYs to reverse this trend in

future.

 

>

> when i read the posts by " alex arthur " i am reminded of my days of

> intellectual questioning...but instead of advising him...i would

> like to inform him of my experience where i was a question bag like

> him.

> One day i realised or more like experienced something...that

> something was the knowledge that no way with my existing intellect

> would i ever receive all answers to my questions and once i get any

> answers new questions will crop up. I need to progress more & more

> into Sy untill i reach a point where i wont even have to ask...i'll

> just know all answers... and have the " intellect " to grasp them.

>

> what i mean is that becauze my " intellect " is limited that is why i

> have to ask questions...and belive me just asking isnt the way to

> advance it...progressing into SY will " develop " it to a point where

> you dont have to ask any questions...you will just know everything

> because you are one with the devine knowledge. ofcouse i still ask

> questions...i havent reached that point yet! but his questions seem

> more or less answered by the info in the below mentioned websites.

>

> www.valaya.co.uk = > Password = code2006

> www.sahajvidya.freeuk.com\jsmsy

>

 

You are absolutely right on this one. i agree 100% that you will know

the answers to everything by progressing in meditation. This is the

sure sign of a leap in consciousness leading to self-mastery. The

difference between seeking answers from SYs and the Adi Shakti within

is that of Earth and Heaven. i just cannot stop telling SYs that they

MUST learn to be their own masters and learn how to get answers from

within themselves. If newcomers like Sohniya are beginning to tap

into their Sahasraras, i do not see how some veteran SYs cannot.

 

There is just no substitute for Silence and Inner Guidance. If the

Shakti sits in your Saharara why look outside anymore?

 

>

> I think we should really do a movie on Shri Mataji and circulate it

> to as many channels/people as we can. Pictures can say a thousand

> words...or do anything to generate more publicity..

>

 

Actually a few tapes like the American Experience have been made. But

we cannot make progress until the world knows that there is a Shri

Mataji in the first place. At the present rate chances are slim.

 

But then Mother will do everything since She is within us and will

work with those who desire change and an end to all that plagues

Sahaja Yoga. People like you, Sohniya, with your awareness will do

more to first improve and then spread Sahaja Yoga than being the

silent witness. It is useless being thoughtless if there is no

awareness.

 

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

shriadishakti , " dr_balwinder "

<dr_balwinder> wrote:

>

>

> What has been written about Amma is very " enlightening "

>

> About 3 weeks ago I was in the office of a SYogi who is a lawyer by

> profession and who some in my collective have already labeled as ex-

> SYogi just because he stopped coming to the collective.He had 2

> beautiful photos of Mother in his office and I am sure he has the

> same in his home.He still meditates regularly and gives the credit

> to his enlightment to Shree Mataji.At that time Amma was just about

> to arrive in Malaysia to give her blessings via hugs.He mentioned

> the fact that about 40,000 people are going to be there waiting for

> Amma and look at SYoga , even with Shree Mataji who is the

> AdiShakti we cannot muster such numbers and secondly hardly anyone

> knows who She is.What are we doing about it , he asked. I was lost

> for words because that is a fact we have to face like it or not.

>

>

 

The fact that your friend, a professional lawyer, is labeled a non-SY

by some is a tag typically given to anyone who does not follow rules.

We SYs are to blame ourselves for some people staying away from the

local collective in order to remain in Her Collective Consciousness.

That is the only way they can continue in Sahaja Yoga and i don't

blame them.

 

These are the little insensitive behavior and uncaring attitudes of

certain SYs that all add up to repel new seekers and force others to

say goodbye. You mentioned earlier that your doctor friend left

because of the attitude of some SYs. Don't you think losing lawyers

and doctors is cause for concern? (i am talking about professionals

who can give academic weight and national respect to Sahaja Yoga.)

That is why we need not find scapegoats for our failures. All you

need to do is lift up the carpet and examine the dirt.

 

And 40,000 people were waiting for Amma ................ in

Malaysia?!!! (So how many devotees does she have in India? rest of

world?) That is just too high a figure, not that i do not believe it.

For a mere guru who is claiming, and believed by many, to be the

Divine Mother the numbers are just too many. At the rate she is

growing these numbers will pose serious problems and challenges for

SYs tomorrow.

 

And Shri Mataji, despite being the Adi Shakti, continues to remains

obscure and almost unknown despite 30 years.

 

Well, i have repeatedly blabbed for 10 years about announcing Shri

Mataji and the Last Judgment to the point of being lynched, and thus

had to leave the collective when none responded. So what other choice

do SYs or the World Council have to improve the present state of

affairs? Absolutely none since Amma grows because her devotees are

just doing that, and dare even claim she was nurtured and guarded by

cows, eagles, dogs and cobras after being thrown out of her house

when young. (And yet we do not have the faith and conviction to tell

more believable truths?!!!)

 

Or do SYs think we should collectively shoe-beat Amma silly and paper-

burn her devotees into crunchy crisp?

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

What is your Seniority in Sahaja yoga?

" There is a myth also in Sahaja Yoga, that he is a very senior Sahaja

Yogi. I don't understand, what is this? How can there be seniority in

Sahaja Yoga? It cannot be seniority, no question! Now let's say

somebody enters into the sea, some are there for ages standing near

the edge of the sea holding on to the earth because they are afraid

to swim, and some people who have come only yesterday might be

jumping and going ahead and enjoying the sea. So how is it., he's a

senior. We do not have this seniority business in Sahaja Yoga. "

(Navratri Puja, 24.10.1993)

 

> shriadishakti , " indiblondi " <belanire>

> wrote:

 

> > why is that?? is it all the publicity they generate..the

instant " feel good " factor they offer to people...i agree with

jagbirji on the way the SY leaders keep mum at giving out

> > info...ironically this was what lead me to research on the net

and i came across useful sites like this and valaya.com etc. if i

hadnt i would have probably quit SY long ago at being frustrated on

not knowing anything and getting the " just foot-soak " reply for

ALLLLL my questions from my local SY collective. My SY collective

seems to need a lot of improvement but who'll listen?

 

shriadishakti , " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

> Some established SYs think they are highly realized souls. These

> ignorant folks determine advancement by years in Sahaja Yoga

(multiply that by 10.8 if you are physically close to Shri Mataji and

attending to Her needs, or 108 times if appointed leader.) There is

nothing that can be done to break down this pecking order. Some

senior SYs running collectives think they know better and will regard

dissent as a sign of negativity that needs foot-soaking and shoe-

beating. So it is better you keep quiet because what you are

complaining today is the same i experienced ten years ago. If you are

new in Sahaja Yoga your opinions do not count.

>

 

 

 

I am a good example for not giving too much importance to " seniority "

in SYoga.This duration in SYoga being related seniority is just as

relevant as chronological age being taken as the degree of wisdom a

person has.

 

In Malaysia the seniority problem is not that bad and everyone is

given a chance although you will always have the odd person here and

there which IMHO is inevitable in any organization.

 

The other problem is when anyone suggests something against the norm

which maybe useful although not in line with the leadership clique,

there is a high chance that the person's thoughts maybe labeled

negative, unable to be in witness state, too right sided etc. etc

…………… but if you know it is for the good of the collective/SYoga you

must at all costs stand your ground humbly.This is from personal

experience.Some day a lot of them will be thankful for the stand you

took for the right reasons(not for popularity) – be sure that your

contribution will benefit SYoga , back it up well and stand your

ground humbly.Some people tend to mistake/label constructive

criticism for rebel rousing/trouble making. We have to take all the

misunderstood labels in our stride.

 

Let the Mother in your Sahasrara guide you and also follow Shree

Mataji's advise always.

 

Balwinder