Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Jai Dear Jagbir I want to have more informations concerning " the protocol " . I know that when Sahaja yogi talk about protocol he means; how to meditate, how to make a havan, when you are in meditation you have not to put your feeds towards the photographie of Shri Mataji. In the following answer you talk about protocol. Can you trie to explain me? Mousse logbo an african yogi from Côte d'ivoire(Ivory Coast). Jai Shri Mataji that i don't anderstand --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org a écrit : shriadishakti , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org> wrote: > > The knowledge that Shri Mataji has given us has little to do with > the confusing innovations that continue to plague Sahaja Yoga. > Despite all Shri Mataji has enlightened us since 5 May 1970 we come > across SYs in 2004 brainstorming wrong decade-old rituals, protocol > and procedures in an effort to purify them. (Didn't the vibrations > and catches that seem to plague hundreds of SYs inform that it was > all wrong? Is it possible that so many failed for so many years to > detect that man-made innovations, especially doing havan with > candles, are against the Divine?) ... > > And the Shakti within continues to provide evidence and inner > Knowledge that She is the Maha-Devi, the Shakti of All in contrast > to the subtle system teacher that SYs have made out of Her > incarnation Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. Thus those who want to rid > themselves of external ignorance that infects collectives and > advance towards the Turiya state, it is necessary to attain > internal Knowledge of Her which few SYs ever talk. Even if you > become a subtle system expert, an aspiration that seems to inspire > many, all your efforts will be in vain. These petty facts of > chakras and chillies will not liberate. On the contrary, they will > only continue confusing > " The protocol should be that `Yes Mother has said it, it doesn't matter, it may go wrong, doesn't matter. Whatever She said let's obey and see.' By experiencing only you will know. But in the beginning only you'll say `No, we'll not do this and that'; it's not good. So the protocol is the simplest of simple. So that's the essence of Sahaja Yoga, the simplest of the simple, is the protocol. If you understand the protocol, you don't have to do anything, you'll grow by it automatically. But you lack in protocol and that's how you do not grow. This is the point is that to grow best in Sahaja Yoga is to know the protocol, which you can ask others, the experienced people you can ask or if you want your own experience you can have. But some people try the other way round like answering me back and saying all kinds of things, they think `Let's experiment what happens'. And then they break their neck and come to me, for curing. That should not happen. Experience should be for betterment. And that's how if you can ask others, take their advice, those people who are rising higher than normal, what is the protocol. And put your attention to it. How can you improve your protocol. What should we do to grow, observe our protocol. What wrong are we doing, where are we going wrong, because the essence of Sahaja Yoga today is the protocol, which should be the simplest. Should be the simplest thing to do. And once you know the protocol, that She has said it if it is meant then it's alright. But some people are so funny that they start using me as a quotation, `Mother has said everybody must fast.' I told somebody that `You better fast', so a thin man comes next day fainting. I said `What happened'. When I say something to a particular person they just circulate it. Because they think `Why should I fast alone, everybody must fast.' It's a big problem that they always quote me. Nobody is to quote me to others. That's one thing which is important. Whatever you have to say you have to put it on the notice board, maybe with my signature, better. For general. And for particular whatever I have said you should do it for particular. At least that much discretion we all should have. And try, you'll be very much helped. You'll be surprised, you'll be very much helped. Because everything is for your betterment and a special grace if you understand the essence of protocol. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi Guru Puja, Lodge Hill, 24/7/83 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 shriadishakti , logbo mousse <moussel2001> wrote: > Jai Dear Jagbir > I want to have more informations concerning " the > protocol " . I know that when Sahaja yogi talk about > protocol he means; how to meditate, how to make a > havan, when you are in meditation you have not to put > your feeds towards the photographie of Shri Mataji. In > the following answer you talk about protocol. Can you > trie to explain me? > Mousse logbo an african yogi from Côte d'ivoire(Ivory > Coast). > Jai Shri Mataji > > that i don't anderstand > > shriadishakti , " jagbir singh " > <adishakti_org> wrote: > > > > The knowledge that Shri Mataji has given us has little to do with > > the confusing innovations that continue to plague Sahaja Yoga. > > Despite all Shri Mataji has enlightened us since 5 May 1970 we > > come across SYs in 2004 brainstorming wrong decade-old rituals, > > protocol and procedures in an effort to purify them. (Didn't > > the vibrations and catches that seem to plague hundreds of SYs > > inform that it was all wrong? Is it possible that so many failed > > for so many years to detect that man-made innovations, especially > > doing havan with candles, are against the Divine?) ... > > Dear Mousse, Actually Shri Mataji has made Sahaja Yoga a very simple, straightforward method of meditation and Self-realization. i believe that it is the easiest method of getting your kundalini awakened, sustaining the self-realization and advancing to higher states of consciousness. (Therefore i can see you already know the protocols.) However, this has not been the case as many SYs who (especially the Yuvashakti) are still mired in all kinds of rituals, protocols and so- called knowledge that has nothing to do with what Shri Mataji has told us over the years. Take for example the " locket of Shri Mataji " issue which ran for a few weeks at the divinesahajayoga group confirming that it was against protocol to visit toilets, bathrooms and bedrooms while wearing one. i have never heard such nonsense for a long time. The fact that so-called established SYs are agreeable with such stupidity is hard to fathom. What type of SYs are they when they do not have plain common sense to speak up against such nonsense? ................... or are their vibrations confirming that it is indeed against protocol to visit toilets, bathrooms and bedrooms while wearing Shri Mataji's pendant? Thus now we have nearly 500 easily influenced members youths of the divinesahajayoga group believing that it is against protocol to go to toilet or bedroom with Shri Mataji's locket. These young minds will be afraid of breaking this protocol which has nothing to do with Shri Mataji. And they will continue spreading this avidya to others, and make those have been doing so for years guilty. (i have always worn Shri Mataji pendant to all places and am not guilty because i know Shri Mataji never told us not to do so.) This so-called protocol must have been made up by some foolish SYs who think they know better than Shri Mataji, just like that havan with candles inventors. These SYs act without any authority to improve on the 'defects' of Shri Mataji and " they think, `Let's experiment what happens'. " What happens is that nonsense in the name of Shri Mataji has becomes protocol over the years. Some SYs have acquired rituals which have nothing to do with Sahaja Yoga protocol, and pass it on to others. When established SYs themselves are falsifying the protocols how does one, especially newcomers, escape from their nonsense? There is only one sure way to remove these obstacles to spiritual growth and that is to understand what Shri Mataji actually meant when She told us that " If you understand the protocol, you don't have to do anything, you'll grow by it automatically. " When you mature in SY and start progressing you will realize there is nothing to do externally - no rituals, no shoe-beating, no havans. Nothing! All you need to do is meditate, meditate, meditate. Yes, just meditate within and forget everything outside yourself. There is nothing to seek outside. Absolutely nothing! And when you put your attention on the Self, the Shakti, the Brahman within, there is nothing left to do either. In that thoughtless state you become absolutely free from all errors and false knowledge and conditioning. Then, and only then, will you actually begin to progress and ascend to higher states. Very little growth is possible prior to this realization and the sad fact is that many SYs are just walking around on this flat plateau. It may take them 5, 10, 22 years to realize this but realize they will eventually. Why not learn today what may take years to realize among the company of those who insist that taking Shri Mataji's locket to toilets, bathrooms and bedrooms is against protocol ........................... and make the deities angry. So Mousse, i presume that the confusion with strange and new rituals, protocols and so-called knowledge is the reason you want to be sure that you make no mistakes. You are making no mistakes because you already know the protocols and those who wish to know more are mostly made by ignorant SYs, not Shri Mataji. Don't seek such avidya (non- knowledge) but depend on the Shakti within to guide. She will tell you all you need to know without even speaking a single word. You must learn through your own experiences how to seek Her inner guidance at all times. i assure you that by listening and understanding what Shri Mataji has said you will never go wrong or feel guilty again: " If you understand the protocol, you don't have to do anything, you'll grow by it automatically. " And you will grow at a rate and depth few SYs ever have. Only in the thoughtless state " you understand the protocol, you don't have to do anything, you'll grow by it automatically. " Jai Shri Mataji jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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