Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 I read Islam Enlightened: And yet, as a Sahaja Yogini with a SY Moslim husband; we still find we have issues when it comes to how to meditate together. He feels under the rules of the Hadiths and the Quran that some of the " practices " in SY are Shirk. He already started reading the website for SY practicing Moslims (al- qiyamah)and he says he has more understanding and really liked the web site and will continue studying. But what are the rules of etiquette when it comes to wearing her pendant and prasad during pujas when she isn't physically present, calling out the different deities names, meditating with her picture and so on. I don't have a problem with it of course because I've been in SY since I was 4, but in any event, I don't know how to assure him he is not going against what was written by Allah by doing any of these things.... or are we? I'm not well read on the Quran or the Bible for that matter. I just don't know what to tell him. I was too young when SY was being established to really know from Her WHY we do these things. I simply say for vibrations and respect and that's usually good enough for anyone else. I'm trying to educate myself now more then ever because we have children that need to know these things too - not out of habit but for the REASON. Does anyone have any suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 shriadishakti , " Isha " <shanti442> wrote: > I read Islam Enlightened: > And yet, as a Sahaja Yogini with a SY Moslim husband; we still find > we have issues when it comes to how to meditate together. He feels > under the rules of the Hadiths and the Quran that some of > the " practices " in SY are Shirk. > He already started reading the website for SY practicing Moslims (al- > qiyamah)and he says he has more understanding and really liked the > web site and will continue studying. But what are the rules of > etiquette when it comes to wearing her pendant and prasad during > pujas when she isn't physically present, calling out the different > deities names, meditating with her picture and so on. > I don't have a problem with it of course because I've been in SY > since I was 4, but in any event, I don't know how to assure him he > is not going against what was written by Allah by doing any of these > things.... or are we? I'm not well read on the Quran or the Bible > for that matter. I just don't know what to tell him. I was too > young when SY was being established to really know from Her WHY we > do these things. I simply say for vibrations and respect and that's > usually good enough for anyone else. I'm trying to educate myself > now more then ever because we have children that need to know these > things too - not out of habit but for the REASON. Does anyone have > any suggestions? Dear Isha, Only after reading the entire www.al-qiyamah.org will Muslims understand the depth of centuries-old deception, falsehood and conditioning the Ummah has been led regarding the Resurrection. So my question off the bat: When the ulema are so erroneous about Al- Qiyamah, the heart and soul of Islam explicitly entrenched in numerous surahs, what makes them think there are correct in even more difficult issues? Why talk about purifying Islam when the unsurpassed beauty of His Holy Qur'an regarding the Resurrection has been mutilated beyond recognition by the same people? We have to understand that His Ruh (Adi Shakti) Shri Mataji was thus sent to announce and explain the Last Judgment and Al-Qiyamah in detail to all, and the technique to attain Self-realization. That is why we humans are now able to comprehend for the first time in history the relationship between the Islamic Resurrection, Christian Last Judgment and Vedic Sanatana Dharma. It applies to all traditions and none are accorded special status, regardless of what religion they follow. Those who have surrendered and submitted to Allah's (SWT) Will to commence the Resurrection are the true Muslims. The opening lines of Surah 75 Al-Qiyamah declare: LAA UQSIM BI-YAWM AL-QIYAMAH: WA-LAA UQSIM BI-AN-NAFSAL- LAWWAAMAH I do call to witness the Resurrection Day And I do call to witness the self-reproaching Spirit. i do not see any shirk in meditating on His self-reproaching Spirit (Shakti). That is what we SYs are learning to do, i.e. going directly to the source Brahman by meditating on His Shakti. It must be emphasized that the " Shakti that is described here is not independent of Brahman but an aspect of Him. " " Brahman is the central theme of almost all the Upanishads. Brahman is the indescribable, inexhaustible, omniscient, omnipresent, original, first, eternal and absolute principle who is without a beginning, without an end , who is hidden in all and who is the cause, source, material and effect of all creation known, unknown and yet to happen in the entire universe. He is the incomprehensible, unapproachable radiant being whom the ordinary senses and ordinary intellect cannot fathom grasp or able to describe even with partial success. He is the mysterious Being totally out of the reach of all sensory activity, rationale effort and mere intellectual, decorative and pompous endeavor. The Upanishads describe Him as the One and indivisible, eternal universal self, who is present in all and in whom all are present. Generally unknown and mysterious to the ordinary masses, Brahman of the Upanishads remained mostly confined to the meditative minds of the ancient seers who considered Him to be too sacred and esoteric to be brought out and dissected amidst public glare. Though impassioned and above the ordinary feelings of the mind, the masters of the Upanishads some times could not suppress the glory, the emotion, the passion and the poetry that accompanied the vast and utterly delightful , inner experience of His vast vision. In the Mundaka Upanishad the mind explodes to reverberate with this verse, " Imperishable is the Lord of love, as from a blazing fire thousands of sparks leap forth, so millions of beings arise from Him and return to Him. " Again in the Katha Upanishad we come across a very poetic and emphatic expression, " In His robe are woven heaven and earth, mind and body...He is the bridge from death to deathless life. " The Brahman of the Upanishads is not meant for the ordinary or the ignorant souls, who are accustomed to seek spiritual solace through ritualistic practices and rationalization of knowledge. Discipline, determination, guidance form a self-realized soul, purity of mind, mastery of the senses, self-control and desireless actions are some of the pre-requisites needed to achieve even a semblance of success on this path. Only the strong of the heart and pure of the mind can think of dislodging layer after layer of illusion and ignorance that surrounds him and see the golden light of Truth beckoning from beyond. He is not like the other gods either. He is incomprehensible even to almost all the gods. And He chooses not to be worshipped in the temples and other places of worship but in one's heart and mind as the indweller of the material body and master of the senses, the charioteer. He is too remote and incomprehensible to be revered and approached with personal supplications although He is the deepest and the highest vision mankind could ever conceive of or attain. The weak and the timid stand no chance to approach Him even remotely, except through some circuitous route. For the materialistic and the otherworldly who excel in the art of converting everything and anything into a source of personal gain, He does not offer any attraction, solace or security as a personal God. That is why we do not see any temples or forms of ritualistic worship existing for Brahman either at present or in the past. " So, Isha, if there are no temples or forms of ritualistic worship existing for Brahman either at present or in the past, haven't we reached the purest form of monotheism that Islam demands? When He is incomprehensible even to almost all the gods what do mere humans know about Him? i do not consider saying mantas as shirk because they are words uttered to aid spiritual ascend. According to Shri Mataji: " What is a mantra? It is that power of the word that expresses Spirit. A mantra is nothing but a thought which is vibrated. Any thought that is vibrated is a mantra. " (Vienna, 4. September 1983) " Your mantras are to be seen. Mantras are to be such that they should not be mechanical, just saying something mechanically. You should say it from your heart. Again, if you do not say mantras through your heart, the mantra is not siddha. Means you may go on saying one hundred times, it will have no effect. Siddha mantra is that, that you say, that it has an effect, it works. If it does not work, then your mantra has no meaning. " (Diwali Puja, London, 6. November 1983) We must always remember that all SY mantras begin and end with " Om Twameva Sakshat ....... Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah. " There is absolutely no shirk in supplicating the Shakti for help, no matter who the ........ are. Without mentioning Her the mantra just don't work. It is simple as that! Then how can we regard Her mantras as shirk? Now regarding meditating on Her images when She is not physically present. But even angels have come down to pay homage to Her: http://www.al-qiyamah.org/angels_sent_forth_(al_mursalat).htm According to Muslim theologians " Angels are invisible beings created from light. On the authority of `A'ishah : The Messenger of Allah sallallahu alayhe wa sallam said, " Angels were created from light, jinn were created from smokeless fire, and Adam was created from that which has been described to you [in the Qur'an]. " (Related by Muslim) They do not have desires of their own, nor do they eat or drink. They are honored servants of Allah, and never disobey Him. They are perpetually in His service, in prostration, in a standing posture, or through various other forms of worship. " And those who are before Him are not scornful of worshipping Him, nor do they tire or get bored. They glorify [Him] night and day; they do not halt. " [21 (Al- Anbiya'), 19-20] " They are honored servants, who do not precede Him in speech, and they act according to His command. He knows what is ahead of them and what is behind them, and they do not intercede, except for those whom He approves. [21 (Al-Anbiya'), 26-27] " So if angels themselves are paying homage to the image of His Ruh Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, who are mere humans to regard this as shirk? Moreover the Holy Qur'an tells us that during the Resurrection humans will be able to see the face of their Lord: Some faces, that Day, [5822] will beam (in brightness and beauty) — Looking towards their Lord; And some faces, that Day, will be sad and dismal, In the thought that some backbreaking calamity, Was about to be inflicted on them; surah 75:22-25 Al Qiyamah http://www.al-qiyamah.org/surah_22-25.htm Thus i do not find anything wrong with wearing a pendant. i am sure " some faces, that Day, will beam (in brightness and beauty) — looking towards their Lord. " i have a beautiful pendant of Shri Mataji glued to the my monitor of the computer i work. Every time i look at Her i feel joyous and peaceful. So if the Holy Qur'an upholds this image of His Ruh, including His angels sent forth, how can it be shirk? The Holy Qur'an is flawless in its message of the Resurrection. Innovations have plagued all religions. It is no different now. If there are minor issues like lemons, matkas, foot-soaking, shoe- beating etc., feel free to regard them as shirk, and discard them completely. Depend on the Source for all cures. The same self- reproaching Spirit that informs you whenever there is transgression will also heal you in mind and body. If you depend only on His Ruh within for guidance and meditation the question of shirk can never arise. jai Shri Mataji, jagbir NOTE: Prophet Muhammad was meditating (doing Yoga) in a cave when he was approached by Angel Gabriel. How was he able to learn such secret rites when the rest of his tribe were still worshipping rocks and trees? i think this is worth investigating. To take part in Al-Qiyamah humans have to again learn how to meditate. The question of shirk cannot arise as in meditation all forms are obliterated. It is the highest form of Tawheed ever revealed to humans. Rare are those humans who can attain this perfection, the Turiya state that no words can describe. Allah (God Almighty, Brahman) is the deepest and the highest vision mankind could ever conceive of or attain in sustained, daily meditation. Sahaja Yoga is second to none to attain Brahman during the Last Judgment and Resurrection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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