Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Dear All, i sent this post a few days ago to the MahdiUnite moderator and something told me it will not be accepted. So i kept a copy which has been posted below. i presume the moderator must have gone through www.al-qiyamah.org site which he cannot deny, despite Islam being turned on its ear by Shri Mataji. It is safer for him to only accept posts that Muslims have answers to. Anything that goes against their accepted beliefs will be censored for the sake of keeping the faithful ignorant, whether it is about the Comforter, Imam Mahdi or Al-Qiyamah. jagbir MahdiUnite , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org> wrote: > > Greetings to all believers of the Imam Mahdi, > > i have just joined this group and being a Sikh believer of the Imam > Mahdi and the Day of Judgement, it may come as a bit of a surprise. > The source of my believe comes from http://www.al-qiyamah.org/ > regarding the Qur'an, Last Judgment and Imam Mahdi. > > However, since this group also discusses the same subject it is > vital to comprehend the very basis of faith - TRUTH. So before > discussing it will be fitting to introduce the sages' defination of > the term truth. > > According to Paul Brunton, Ph.D. it has been " demonstrated that > without such a defination men wander in a dry wilderness of hollow > fancies, unfounded opinions, worthless theories and hypostatized > words. This defination may sound quite simple, but it implications > are most profound. It should be graven deeply on the heart. Here it > is: TRUTH is that which is beyond all contradiction and free from > all doubt; which is indeed beyond the very possibility of both > contradiction and doubt; beyond the changes and alternations of > time and vicissitude; forever one and the same, unalterable and > unaltering; universal and therefore independent of all human > ideation. " > To all believers of the Imam Mahdi, In MahdiUnite , " Mohamed " <makfan@r...> wrote: " The word " Mahdi " is a name but it is Arabic, from the root word " Hidaya " (Guidance). So, to say that Mahdi is from Ma Adi is a mere conjecture. Secondly, the Bible mentions that Jesus had foretold of the coming of " Comforter " to his followers who will explain more in guidance after Jesus had departed. The Qur'an too mentions of what Jesus (Isa) had foretold and revealed the name of the one who would come after him as " Ahmad " , but the writers of the Bible distorted the name to " Comforter " . Remember that the original language in which the Bible was revealed is not in existance and what the Bible now has is a collection of narrations from different persons. So Comforter was a reference to Prophet Muhammad and not a Mahdi. " MahdiUnite/message/4397 With the definition of truth in mind i will deal with the Comforter first before proceeding to the Imam Mahdi. Again i would like to insist that being a believer of Imam Mahdi, Prophet Muhammad, the Qur'an and Day of Judgment, i am in no way trying to injure Islam. On the contrary, by seeking only the truth and nothing but the truth, all believers will benefit. Only the truth about the Comforter that is beyond all contradiction and free from all doubt can be regarded as Truth. In the Bible " the four texts quoted that Comforter, Holy Spirit, and Spirit of Truth are interchangeable terms and that Jesus is speaking of the same person in each instance. The one obvious fact that emerges is that the Comforter is a spirit. " In other words the Comforter (Spirit) of Bible better fits Ruh of Qur'an, both being the Christian and Islamic definition of " Spirit " . Brother Mohamed has made a claim that is subject to contradiction and doubt. We cannot allow our intense love and loyalty towards Prophet Muhammad cloud our better judgment and beliefs as this allows others to subject Prophet Muhammad and Islam to ridicule. Thus to make a false claim about Prophet Muhammad being the Comforter injures his good name and reputation. Since i believe Prophet Muhammad is the prophet of God Almighty i cannot condone this act of giving him a false title that clearly antagonizes Christians. Only the truth will bridge the differences between all the believers. Since brother Mohamed and others insist Prophet Muhammad is the Comforter, i have gathered researched evidence of Christians to the contrary. May the truth prevail. warmest regards, jagbir The controversy on the word for Comforter/Advocate used in the Bible, John 14 & 16, for the Holy Spirit. While the Greek manuscripts have paraclete, paracletos, meaning " one who comes along side " , some Muslims argue that the word should be periklutos, meaning " Praised One " , which in Arabic is Ahmad, which Muslims take to be Muhammad. There is a direct reference to " Ahmad " in the Quran, surah as-Saff 61:6, and so Muslims find periklutos appealing because then a prophecy of Muhammad can be deduced from the Bible. The problem, however, is that there is not a shred of evidence in support of this theory, and the thousands of NT manuscripts predating Islam all do not have periklutos. Christians and all extant manuscripts have all confirmed that the word is paraclete as it stands. Early testimonies of Muslims testify that the Bible's paraclete is correct, * The quotes from the Bible concerning the Paraclete: " And I will pray the Father, and he will give you another Comforter, to be with you for ever, even the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him; you know him, for he dwells with you, and will be in you " . (John 14:16-17) " But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you " . (John 14:26) " But when the Comforter comes, whom I shall send you from the Father, even the Spirit of Truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness to me " . (John 15:26) " Nevertheless I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Comforter will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you " . (John 16:7) In fact, the context of the verses also do not support periklutos, as shown below. If Comforter refers to Muhammad, then we also have to accept: 1) that Muhammad is the Holy Spirit in John 14:26, contradicting Muslim belief that the Holy Spirit is the angel Gabriel, 2) that Jesus sends Muhammad in (John 15:26 and 16:7) and 3) that Jesus sends Muhammad in Jesus' name, 4) that Muhammad dwells with the disciples forever. (John 14:16-17). Not only is Muhammad too late by 600 years, he can't dwell with them forever. The argument that the truth, law given by Muhammad will be with them forever is spurious of course, since they never receive it. that the disciples of Jesus know Muhammad. (John 14:16-17). all of which are unthinkable to a Muslim. As-Saff 61:6 means " Praised One " in Arabic, Muslims identify this name with Muhammad. Muslims have identified the Comforter mentioned in the Bible in John 14 & John 16 that Jesus said he will send to be Muhammad. In order to do that, the Muslims charged that the word for Comforter should not be Paraclete (or Paracletos), but have been changed from the original Periklutos, meaning " Praised One " . However, the Qur'anic verse in question has variants found in other codices that were also in circulation before the Uthmanic codex became standard. According to Ubayy b. Kab, one of the secretaries of Muhammad, the verse reads: " O children of Israel, I am God's messenger to you, and I announce to you a prophet whose community will be the last community and by which God will put the seal on the prophets and messengers " where " Ahmad " is not mentioned. This is also attested to by Ibn Ishaq and Ibn Hisham's account of the verse, as recorded in Ibn Ishaq's biography of Muhammad: " Among the things which have reached me about what Jesus the Son of Mary stated in the Gospel which he received from God for the followers of the Gospel, in applying a term to describe the apostle of God, is the following. It is extracted from what John the apostle set down for them when he wrote the Gospel for them from the Testamant of Jesus Son of Mary: " He that hateth me hateth the Lord. And if I had not done in their presence works which none other before me did, they had not had sin: but from now they are puffed up with pride and think that they will overcome me and also the Lord. But the word that is in the Law must be fulfilled, 'They hated me without a cause' (ie. without reason). But when the Comforter has come whom God will send to you from the Lord's presence, and the spirit of truth which will have gone forth from the Lord's presence he (shall bear) witness of me and ye also, because ye have been with me from the beginning. I have spoken unto you about this that you should not be in doubt. " The Munahhemana (God bless and preserve him!) in Syriac is Muhammad, in Greek he is the Paraclete. " (Ibn Ishaq, The Life of Muhammad, tr. Guillaume, pp. 103-104) Ibn Ishaq does not say that the word " Paraclete " is " Periklutos " . In fact, he confirmed that the word in Greek is Paraclete. Moreover, he affirms that John wrote down the Gospel that was revealed to Jesus. He also used Comforter when translating that word. In order to apply the verse to Muhammad, Ibn Ishaq identifies the Syriac word Munahhemna to Muhammad, instead of using " Ahmad " in both the above passage as well as in as-Saff 61:6, which would be the best (obvious) way to prove that the " Paraclete " is Muhammad. " The most interesting word is that rendered `Comforter' which we find in Palestinian Lectionary, but all other Syriac versions render it `Paraclete' following the Greek. ... The menahhemana in Syriac means the life-giver and specifally the one who raises from the dead. Obviously such a meaning is out of place here and what is meant is one who consoles and comforts people for the loss of one dear to them. " (ibid, Guillaume in footnote) As Guillaume pointed, Muhammad hardly fits the description of one who raises the dead, nor is he a life-giver. When the Syriac Christians applied that title to Jesus, it is perfectly within his authority to give life and raise the dead, as he had demonstrated. " Muslim children are never called Ahmad before the year 123AH. But there are many instances prior to this date of boys called 'Muhammad.' Very rarely is the name 'Ahmad' met with in pre-Islamic time of ignorance (Jahiliya), though the name Muhammad was in common use. Later traditions that the prophet's name was Ahmad show that this had not always been obvious, though commentators assume it after about 22 (AH) (W.M. Watt who researched the name " Ahmad " , as quoted by G. Parrinder, Jesus in the Koran, Sheldon Press, pp. 98-99) " It has been concluded that the word Ahmad in Quran as-Saff 61:6 is to be taken not as a proper name but as an adjective... and that it was understood as a proper name only after Muhammad had been identified with the Paraclete. (J. Schacht, Encyclopaedia of Islam, Vol I, 1960, p.267) Note that by the middle of the 2nd century AH, Muslims already identified Muhammad with the Greek word " Paracletos " (Counsellor/ Advocate) or the Aramaic translation " Menahhemana " (New Encyclopaedia of Islam, Vol I, 1960). However, it is only after the middle of the 2nd century AH that Muslims begin to say that the word " Paracletos " should be " Periklutos " , and this has been the favourite argument since then. Note the following: In the Syrian Bible translation, the word in dispute is translated as " Paraqlit " , and in Arabic it is " Faraqlit " , which is very close to be confused. This could the source of confusion among Muslims, but the Greek is very clear. Whenever Muslims seek to prove that Muhammad is foretold in the New Testament, they immediately appeal to the promise of Jesus that the " Comforter " would follow him and claim that this Comforter was Muhammad (particularly as in the Qur'an, Jesus is alleged to have foretold the coming of Muhammad in Surah 61.6 in similar language). Whereas the Revised Standard Version uses the word " Counsellor " rather than " Comforter " , we shall use the word " Comforter " throughout this chapter because it is more familiar to the Muslims. The texts where the Comforter is mentioned by Jesus are: " And I will pray the Father, and he will give you another Comforter, to be with you for ever, even the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him; you know him, for he dwells with you, and will be in you. " John 14.16-17. " But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. " John 14.26 " But when the Comforter comes, whom I shall send you from the Father, even the Spirit of Truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness to me. " John 15.26 " Nevertheless I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Comforter will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. " John 16.7 It is generally alleged by Muslims that the Greek word " paracletos " (meaning Comforter, Counsellor, Advocate, etc., in effect, one who unites men to God) is not the original word but that Jesus in fact foretold the coming of Muhammad by name and that the translation of his name into Greek (or at least the meaning of his name in Greek) is " periklutos " , that is, the " praised one. " There is not a shred of evidence in favour of the assertion that the original word was " periklutos. " We have thousands of New Testament manuscripts pre- dating Islam and not one of these contains the word " periklutos. " In view of the fact that Muslims are prone to levelling false allegations that Christians are regularly changing the Bible, it is rather intriguing to find that they have no scruples about doing this themselves when it suits them to do so. In any event a cursory reading of the texts where the word " paracletos " appears will show that this is the only word that suits the context as I will show in one instance later on in this chapter. Some wiser Muslims admit that " paracletos " is correct, but they claim in any event that Muhammad was the Comforter whom Jesus was referring to. Let us briefly examine some of the texts in a truly exegetical manner to discover whether Muhammad is indeed the Comforter whose coming Jesus foretold. It is quite obvious from the four texts quoted that Comforter, Holy Spirit, and Spirit of Truth are interchangeable terms and that Jesus is speaking of the same person in each instance. The one obvious fact that emerges is that the Comforter is a spirit. (The fact that Jesus always speaks of the Spirit in the masculine gender in no way suggests that the Comforter must be a man as some of the publications in the Bibliography suggest. God himself is always spoken of in both the Bible and the Qur'an in the masculine gender and God is spirit — John 4.24. In the same way Jesus always speaks of the Comforter as a spirit and not as a man). If we apply sound exegesis to John 14.16-17 we shall discover no less than eight reasons why the Comforter cannot possibly be Muhammad. 1. " He will give YOU another Comforter. " Jesus promised his disciples that God would send the Comforter to them. He would send the Spirit of Truth to Peter, and to John, and to the rest of the disciples — not to Meccans. Medinans or Arabians. 2. " He will give you ANOTHER Comforter. " If, as Muslims allege, the original word was periklutos and that Christians changed it into paracletos, then the sentence would have read, " He will give you another praised one. " This statement is both out of place in its context and devoid of support elsewhere in the Bible. Jesus is never called the " periklutos " in the Bible (the word appears nowhere in the Bible) so it is grossly unlikely that he would have said " He will give you another praised one " when he never used that title for himself. Worse still, as the Muslims allege that he actually foretold the coming of Muhammad by mentioning his name, the sentence in that case would have read " He will give you another Muhammad. " The further the Muslims try to press the point, the more absurd it tends to become. John 16.12-13 makes it clear that the word " paracletos " is obviously the correct one. The text reads: " I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth. " In other words, I have been your Comforter, your paracletos, and have many things to tell you, but I send the Spirit of Truth to you, another Comforter, another paracletos. In 1 John 2.1 we read that Christians have an " advocate " with the Father, " Jesus Christ the Righteous " , and the word translated " advocate " is paracletos in the Greek. So Jesus is our paracletos, our Comforter and advocate with the Father, and he promised to give his disciples another Comforter. It is therefore logical to find that Jesus promised another paracletos when he himself was described as the paracletos of his followers, but it is illogical to suggest that he would speak of " another periklutos " when the word was never used to describe him in the first place. 3. " To be with you FOREVER. " When Muhammad came he did not stay with his people forever but died in 632 AD and his tomb is in Medina where his body has lain for over 1300 years. Nevertheless Jesus said that the Comforter, once he had come, would never leave his disciples, but would be with them forever. 4. " The Spirit of Truth whom the world CANNOT receive. " The Qur'an says that Muhammad came as a universal messenger to men (Surah 34.28). If so, Jesus was not referring to Muhammad for he said that the world cannot receive the Comforter, the Spirit of Truth. 5. " You KNOW him. " It is quite obvious from this statement that the disciples knew the Spirit of Truth. As Muhammad was only born more than five hundred years later, it certainly could not be him. The next clause brings out just how the disciples knew him. At this stage we can see quite clearly that the Comforter is a spirit who was in the disciples' presence already. 6. " He dwells WITH you. " Where did the Comforter dwell with them? From various verses, especially John 1.32, we can see that the Spirit was in Jesus himself and so was with the disciples. 7. " He will be IN you. " Here the death-blow is dealt to the theory that Muhammad is the Comforter, the Spirit of Truth. As the Spirit was in Jesus, so he would be in the disciples as well. The Greek word here is " en " and this means " right inside. " So Jesus was in fact saying " he will be right inside you. " 8. The last reason is really a re-emphasis of the first one. Do you notice how often Jesus addresses his own disciples when he speaks of the sphere of influence of the Comforter? " You know him ... he dwells with you ... he will be in you. " Quite clearly the disciples were to anticipate the coming of the Comforter as a spirit who would come to them just after Jesus had left them. No other interpretation can possibly be drawn from this text. Only wishful thinking makes the Muslims allege that Muhammad was foretold by Jesus, but a practical interpretation of the texts destroys this possibility. . . . What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man conceived, what God has prepared for those who love him, God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For what person knows a man's thoughts except the spirit of the man which is in him? So no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God, that we might understand the gifts bestowed on us by God. 1 Corinthians 2.9-13. Paul makes it plain that the Spirit had already been given and if it had not, it could not have been to any advantage to the disciples to be without Jesus once he had ascended to heaven. So it is abundantly proved that Muhammad is not the Spirit of Truth, the Comforter, whose coming Jesus foretold. Who is the Comforter then? He is the very Spirit of the living God as can be seen from some of the quotations already given. On the day when the Comforter duly came upon the disciples, his coming was accompanied by a tremendous sound, " like the rush of a mighty wind " (Acts 2.2). When the Jews heard this, they rushed together to see what was happening. Peter declared to them all: " This is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 'And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh.' " Acts 2.16-17. The Comforter, the Spirit of God, had come down on the disciples as Jesus had promised and was to be given to believing Christian men and women from every nation under the sun. . . . The Comforter is also called " the Spirit of Christ " (Romans 8. 9) and the reason is plain from what Jesus said: 1. " He will glorify me " (John 16.14). 2. " He will bear witness to me " (John 15.26). 3. " He will convince the world concerning sin because they do not believe in me " (John 16. 8-9). 4. " He will take what is mine and declare it to you " (John 16.14). 5. " He will bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you " (John 14.26). Quite obviously the great work of the Comforter is to bring people to Jesus, to make them see him as Saviour and Lord, and to draw them to him. The Comforter was given so that the glory of Jesus might be revealed to men and in men. A beautiful example of this is given by the Apostle John: His disciples did not understand this at first; but when Jesus was glorified, then they remembered that this had been written of him and done to him. John 12.16 Without the Spirit, they had no understanding, but when they received the Spirit after Jesus was glorified, then they remembered as Jesus said they would. John illustrates this in this passage as well: On the last day of the feast, the great day, Jesus stood up and proclaimed, 'If any one thirst, let him come to me and drink. He who believes in me, as the scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water'. Now this he said about the Spirit, which those who believed in him were to receive; for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified. John 7.37-39. As soon as Jesus was glorified the Spirit was given so that the glory of Jesus in heaven might become real to men here on earth. As Peter said (Acts 2.33), once Jesus was exalted at the right hand of God, the Spirit was freely given to his disciples. Again Peter said, " The God of our fathers glorified Jesus " (Acts 3.13). We cannot see or comprehend this glory of Jesus here on earth (and Jesus himself said, " I do not receive glory from men " John 5.41), but he sent the Spirit so that we might behold this glory by the eye of faith. As Jesus himself said to his disciples of the Spirit: " He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. All that the Father has is mine, therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you. " John 16.14-15. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and he is given to all true believers so that the glory of Jesus in heaven may become real to men on earth. John makes it plain how a man receives the Holy Spirit: Now this he spoke about the Spirit, which those who BELIEVED in him were to receive. John 7.39 To receive the Comforter, the Spirit of God, one must believe in Jesus and surrender body and soul to him. Without the Spirit no one sees or believes in the glory of Christ, but for those who are his true followers and who are sanctified by the Holy Spirit (1 Peter 1.2), Peter says: Without having seen him, you love him, though you do not now see him, you believe in him and rejoice with unutterable and exalted joy. As the outcome of your faith you obtain the salvation of your souls. 1 Peter 1.8-9. The distinction between those who have received the Spirit and those who have not, those who have beheld the glory of Christ and those who have not, comes out very clearly as Peter continues to speak to his fellow-believers: To you therefore who believe, he is precious, but for those who do not believe, 'The very stone which the builders rejected has become the head of the corner'. 1 Peter 2.7 The Bible says much about the Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, but the great and most handsome work of the Spirit is summed up in Jesus' words: " He WILL GLORIFY ME. " John 16.14 Although the Spirit had been at work in the world before the advent of Jesus Christ, and had indeed filled many of the great prophets and men of old with a longing for the coming Christ, he only finally united himself to men, and men to God, and indeed true believers to one another after the resurrection and ascension of Christ to heaven. Jesus Christ spoke to his own disciples of the coming of the Comforter because the Spirit was sent down to comfort and regenerate all true believers in Jesus. This is one of the most significant and consistent elements of the teaching of Jesus about the Comforter. The prime purpose of the coming of the Comforter . . . was to draw men to him so that those who are influenced by the work of the Comforter will therefore become followers of Jesus. It is further evidence against the theory that Muhammad was the Comforter for, whereas the Comforter would not speak of himself but only of Jesus, Muhammad drew attention away from Jesus to himself, describing himself as the ultimate apostle of God to be followed and obeyed. The Comforter was never to do a thing like this. Jesus made it plain that the Comforter would draw the attention and faith of all men to himself and would glorify him before the eyes of faith of true believers as the Lord of glory in heaven. 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