Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 shriadishakti , ashishcool tandon <ashishcooltandon> wrote: > Dear Jagbir, > > JSMJ, > > The reason for the query was i have never read about > Shri Kalki being during any of the visits to the > Sahasrara. > > Does a avtaar manifest ni the sahasrara only after he > incarnates on earth? Does he remain in the > unmanifested state till then? Shri kalki as we now > understand would be the tenth avtaar of Shri Vishnu. > > Love > Dear Ashish, As far i can recall there was never a time that any of my children ever met Shri Kalki, even though they confirmed all the major gods and prophets. If He was around then Shri Mataji would definitely have introduced Him, as it was Her impeccable manners to always introduce the Divine Unity of Gods and Prophets forming a semi-circle before Her Throne. But the Great Divine Mother once told Kash in the Sahasrara that Shri Kalki has manifested on Earth. Those days i did not know what to make of it - whether this personality exists as an individual or is Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi Herself. We have to always keep in mind verse 9 of Mundakopanisad II, 1, that all incarnations issue forth from Her: " From Her take their origin the numerous Gods, The heavenly beings, men, beasts, and birds, The in-breath and the out-breath, rice and barley, ascetic fervor, faith, truth, purity, and law. " Moreover, the Mahamantra of the Adi Shakti declares: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Mahalakshmi Mahasaraswati Mahakali Trigunatmika Kundalini Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Kalki Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Kalki Sakshat Shri Sahasrara Swamini Moksha Pradayini Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah All this evidence compels me today to believe that Shri Kalki will issue forth from the Shakti again. Shri Kalki will manifest from Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi because She is verily Shri Kalki, and no one else. Otherwise this portion of Her Mahamantra which SYs utter daily is a lie: Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Kalki Sakshat Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Kalki Sakshat Shri Sahasrara Swamini Moksha Pradayini Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah It is absolutely clear that it means that " Verily, verily You are Shri Kalki Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah. " No one else can claim this title. Those who do will open a Pandora's box that they might really regret. Jai Shri Mataji, jagbir " So today is the Day of telling you about the danger of playing with the Divine. So far people have been taking them for granted. They have tortured people like Christ, tortured great saints; all the time human beings have been torturing and I have been warning in every lecture practically that don't try that trick today because Kalki is already on. And don't try to trouble anybody who is a saintly person, who is a good person. Be careful about it because Kalki is on and once this Power comes on you, you would not know how to hide yourself. Not only those who are Sahaja Yogis but this I am telling to the whole world today: BE CAREFUL. DO NOT TRY TO HARM OTHERS. DO NOT TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE of OTHERS AND DO NOT TRY TO SHOW OFF YOUR OWN POWER. " Shri Tri-murtih Devi Kundalini And Kalki Shakti, Bombay, India — September 28, 1979 Tri-murtih (628th): Of the three forms of `Brahma, Visnu and Siva' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 shriadishakti , ashishcool tandon <ashishcooltandon> wrote: > Dear jagbir, > > JSMJ, > > Good Interpretation but Shri Mataji is every god and > goddess. We use her mantra for all the chakras, and for > all the deities. > > So if she has proclaimed that Shri Kalki has > manifested, could it also mean another personality > apart from the physical form of Shri Mataji or shall > Shri Kalki manifest only as Shri Mataji? > > Dear Ashish, That's a good way of putting it and it makes sense. i will further complicate it by asking: Could it also mean that we SYs are consciously manifesting the Shri Kalki personality in our Sahasraras, who will physically appear in future. Shri Mataji has told that great self-realized souls will, with the powers endowed upon them, consciously will Shri Kalki to take form? Let's see what the truth is concerning this Kalki avataar. The current age Kali Yuga is also called the age of darkness and ignorance. It is the most degenerate and fallen of the ages, characterized by wars and conflicts, a hardening of the spiritual core of mankind, an almost total lack of sacredness, and extreme materialism. In their ignorance humans can no longer determine what is essential for living in this fallen age and what is irrelevant. The Vishnu Purana describes this present age of Kali Yuga thus: The Kings will be of churlish spirit, violent temper, And will be ever addicted to falsehood and wickedness. They will inflict death to women, children, and cows; They will seize the property of subjects, be of unlimited power, And will, for most part, rapidly rise and fall; their lives will be short, Their desires insatiable, and they will display but little piety. The people of various countries intermingling with them, Will follow their various example; And the barbarians being powerful in the patronage of princes, Whilst purer tribes are neglected, the people will perish. Wealth and piety will decrease day by day, Until the world shall be wholly depraved. Property alone will confer rank, wealth will be the only source of devotion, Passion will be the sole bond of union between the sexes, Falsehood will be the only means of success in litigation, And women will be the objects merely of sensual gratification. Earth will be venerated only for its mineral treasures; The brahminical thread will constitute a brahmin; External types will be the only distinction of the several orders of life, Dishonesty will be the universal means of subsistence, Weakness will be the cause of dependence, Menace and presumption will be the subterfuge for learning, Liberality will be devotion, simple ablution will be purification. Mutual assent will be marriage, fine clothes will be dignity, And water afar will be esteemed a holy spring . . . Thus, in the Kali Yuga shall decay flourish, Until the human race approaches annihilation. Vishnu Purana Prior to the advent of the Adi Shakti no one could unravel the secret of this Vishnu Purana parable, especially the non-existent village of Sambhala where Shri Kalki is supposed to take birth: When the practices taught by the Vedas and the institutes of law, Shall nearly have ceased, and the close of the Kali age shall be nigh, A portion of that Divine Being who exists of his own spiritual nature, In the character of Brahma, and who is the beginning and the end, And who comprehends all things shall descend upon the earth. He will be born as Kalki in the family of an eminent brahmin, Of Sambhala village, endowed with the eight superhuman faculties. By his irresistible might, He will destroy all the barbarians and thieves, And all whose minds are devoted to iniquity. He will then reestablish righteousness upon earth; And the minds of those who live at the end of the Kali age, shall be awakened, and shall be as pellucid as crystal. The men who are thus changed by virtue of that peculiar time, Shall be as the seeds of human beings, And shall give birth to a race who shall follow the laws of the Krita Age, the Age of Purity. (end) Vishnu Purana 4.24 According to Shri Mataji in one of Her earliest talk titled " Kundalini And Kalki Shakti " at Bombay, India — September 28, 1979: " The word Kalki is actually an abbreviation of the word Niskalankh. Niskalankh means the same as My name is, which means Nirmala. That it is spotlessly clean. Something that is spotlessly clean is Niskalankh — without any spot marks. Now this Incarnation has been described in many Puranas as will be coming on this Earth on a white horse in a village of Sambhalpur. They call it Sambhalpur. It is very interesting how people take everything so literally. The word Sambhalpur means bhal is the forehead; sambhal means at that state; that means Kalki is situated at your bhal. Bhal is the forehead and here He is going to be born. That is the real meaning of the word Sambhalpur. In between Jesus Christ and His destroying Incarnation of Mahavishnu called as Kalki there is a time given to human beings to rectify themselves, for them to enter into the Kingdom of God, which in the Bible is called as Last Judgment. " (end) According to tradition Shri Kalki is the tenth avatar or incarnation of Vishnu (Buddha was the ninth avatar of Vishnu). The symbolic form of Kalki on a white horse wielding a sword is similar to the Second Coming of Shri Christ. The Vedic Kalki and the Biblical King of Kings are one and the same personality. The Revelations of St. John 19: And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean . And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword (the Word, the knowledge), that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. (end) Shri Mataji has warned that " In between Jesus Christ and His destroying Incarnation of Mahavishnu called as Kalki there is a time given to human beings to rectify themselves, for them to enter into the Kingdom of God, which in the Bible is called as Last Judgment. " At present it is Her devotees who fit this prophecy perfectly: And the minds of those who live at the end of the Kali age, shall be awakened, and shall be as pellucid as crystal. The men who are thus changed by virtue of that peculiar time, Shall be as the seeds of human beings, And shall give birth to a race who shall follow the laws of the Krita Age, the Age of Purity. (end) Thus there is hope for humanity even in this darkest of ages. That brings us back to the question of Shri Kalki. It is obvious it will be a future incarnation of Jesus Christ who, like all Gods, trace His origin from the Shakti. In the end both our presumptions and speculations mean the same - another personality apart from the physical form of Shri Mataji is the same as Shri Kalki manifesting only as Shri Mataji is the same as SYs consciously manifesting the Shri Kalki personality in our Sahasraras, who will physically appear in future after Shri Mataji has left. But all this speculation keeps the Pandora's box tightly shut. It is only if you believe there is another personality already on Earth who is Shri Kalki that it opens. There have been a number of fake Kalkis in the past, some of whom have made fools of themselves. You will be surprised to know how many are just waiting in the wings to claim this coveted title the moment they are told that Shri Kalki, separate and distinct from Shri Mataji, walks amongst us. i think it is about time to bring this matter to closure. We SYs do not wish to hold a Kalki Kontest to find the genuine one. Those aspiring should present their credentials to Shri Mataji before She leaves Earth. This will in future save much squabbling and rumor mongering amongst rival Kalki Kamps. So please do us a favor by presenting Shri Mataji with certified copies of Kalki testimonials. And please let me know so i can send my felicitations. i am not joking. If Shri Mataji confers the Kalki Krown on some SY who am i to disagree? jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2004 Report Share Posted July 10, 2004 shriadishakti , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org> wrote: > shriadishakti , ashishcool tandon > <ashishcooltandon> wrote: > > Dear jagbir, > > > > JSMJ, > > > > Good Interpretation but Shri Mataji is every god and > > goddess. We use her mantra for all the chakras, and for > > all the deities. > > > > So if she has proclaimed that Shri Kalki has > > manifested, could it also mean another personality > > apart from the physical form of Shri Mataji or shall > > Shri Kalki manifest only as Shri Mataji? > > > > > > Dear Ashish, > > That's a good way of putting it and it makes sense. i will further > complicate it by asking: Could it also mean that we SYs are > consciously manifesting the Shri Kalki personality in our > Sahasraras, who will physically appear in future. Shri Mataji has > told that great self-realized souls will, with the powers endowed > upon them, consciously will Shri Kalki to take form? ... > > That brings us back to the question of Shri Kalki. It is obvious it > will be a future incarnation of Jesus Christ who, like all Gods, > trace His origin from the Shakti. In the end both our presumptions > and speculations mean the same - another personality apart from the > physical form of Shri Mataji is the same as Shri Kalki manifesting > only as Shri Mataji is the same as SYs consciously manifesting the > Shri Kalki personality in our Sahasraras, who will physically > appear in future after Shri Mataji has left. > > 35-38. Then O Brahmana, the merchant Samadhi and the noble king together approached the sage (Medhas); and after observing the etiquette worthy of him and as was proper, they sat down and conversed (with him ) on some topics. The king said: 39-45. 'Sir, I wish to ask you one thing. Be pleased to reply to it. Without the control of my intellect, my mind is afflicted with sorrow. Though I have lost the kingdom, like an ignorant man - though I know it - I have an attachment to all the paraphernalia of my kingdom. How is this, O best of sages? And this merchant has been disowned by this children, wife and servants, and forsaken by his own people; still he is inordinately affectionate towards them. Thus both he and I, drawn by attachment towards objects whose defects we do know, are exceedingly unhappy. How this happens, then, sir, that though we are aware of it, this delusion comes? This delusion besets me as well as him, blinded as we are in respect of discrimination.' The Rishi said: 46-49. Sir, every being has the knowledge of objects perceivable by the senses. And object of sense reaches it in various ways. Some beings are blind by day, and others are blind by night; some beings have equal sight both by day and night. Human beings are certainly endowed with knowledge, but they are not the only beings ( to be so endowed), for cattle, birds, animals and other creatures also cognize (objects of senses). 50-58. The knowledge that men have, birds and beasts too have; and what they have men also possess; and the rest (like eating and sleeping) is common to both of them. Look at these birds, which though they possess knowledge, and are themselves distressed by hunger are yet, because of the delusion, engaged in dropping grains into the beaks of their young ones. Human beings are, O tiger among men, attached to their children because of greed for return help. Do you not see this? Even so men are hurled into the whirlpool of attachment, the pit of delusion, through the power of Mahamaya ( the Great Illusion), who makes the existence of the world possible. Marvel not at this. This Mahamaya is the Yoganidra, of Vishnu, the Lord of the world. It is by her the world is deluded. Verily she, the Bhagavati, the Mahamaya forcibly drawing the minds of even the wise, throws them into delusion. She creates this entire universe, both moving and unmoving. It is she who, when propitious, becomes a boon- giver to human beings for their final liberation. She is the supreme knowledge, the cause of final liberation, and eternal; she is the cause of the bondage of transmigration and the sovereign over all lords. The king said: 59-62. 'Venerable sir, who is that Devi whom you call Mahamaya? How did she come into being, and what is her sphere of action, O Brahmana? What constitutes her nature? What is her form? Wherefrom did she originate? All that I wish to hear from you, O you supreme among the knowers of Brahman.' The Rishi said: 63-71. She is eternal, embodied as the universe. By her all this is pervaded. Nevertheless she incarnates in manifold ways; hear it from me. When she manifests herself in order to accomplish the purposes of the devas, she is said to be born in the world, though she is eternal. THE DEVI-MAHATMYAM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 shriadishakti , ashishcool tandon <ashishcooltandon> wrote: > --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org> wrote: > > > > Dear Ashish, > > > > That's a good way of putting it and it makes > > sense. i will further complicate it by asking: Could it also mean > > that we SYs are consciously manifesting the Shri Kalki personality > > in our Sahasraras, who will physically appear in future. > > Shri Mataji has told that great self-realized souls will, with the > > powers endowed upon them, consciously will Shri Kalki to take > > form? ... > > > > That brings us back to the question of Shri Kalki. > > It is obvious it will be a future incarnation of Jesus Christ who, > > like all Gods, trace His origin from the Shakti. In the end both > > our presumptions and speculations mean the same - another > > personality apart from the physical form of Shri Mataji is the > > same as Shri Kalki manifesting only as Shri Mataji is the same as > > SYs consciously manifesting the Shri Kalki personality in our > > Sahasraras, who will physically appear in future after Shri > > Mataji has left. > > > > > Dear Jagbir, > > JSMJ, > > This has referene to your interesting mail above (Shri > Kalki personality being manifested by the SY's). > > I have read in a lot of places that Shri Kalki will be > endowed with 8 super human facilitied. > > Shri Mataji as per the valaya site has said that SY's > can get the below siddies. > > SIDDIES (POWERS) > > ALL THE SIDDIES A SAHAJA YOGI CAN HAVE: > > 1) The Anima becomes like a small particle > (invisible) > > 2) The Anima becomes small > > 3) The Anima becomes big > > 4) Sahaja Yogis can create Gods out of human beings > > 5) Sahaja Yogis express the power of attraction > (gravitational force) > > 6) Sahaja Yogis enjoy the power of manifestation > > 7) Sahaja Yogis obtain enjoyment, fulfillment of > desires > > 8) Sahaja Yogis obtain attainment - salvation > > Since they are also 8 in number, what u said could > very well be true > The Science of Consciousness Even as scientists all over the world are making concerted efforts to understand the human mind and the human consciousness, a plethora of provocative questions still remain unanswered. As someone said, if we could satisfactorily explain the workings of our minds, our brains would be so simple and underdeveloped that we wouldn't be able to understand anything! This is a definite limitation of the conventional sciences. And here's where people take recourse to spirituality, imagination and the occult. Vedic Science Has the Answers! Professor Ashok Sharma, a former Indian professor of Applied Physics, who was also a scientist at Harvard University, has formulated some path-breaking theories and postulations based on the ancient Vedic Sciences that give us some powerful insights into the gray regions of the human mind, and help us understand our consciousness. Even after treading for long in the realm of science, Prof Sharma feels that science fails to understand consciousness as an independent entity. He says, " Science cannot integrate a non-physical entity, like consciousness, into its conceptual framework, and views human personality as a non-conscious physical system. " What is Consciousness? Consciousness, according to Prof Sharma, is a non-physical entity, which is essentially different from the four basic entities of space, time, energy and matter of the conventional science. Consciousness does not have any physical attribute or property or action, but is endowed with autonomous will power of creation, retention and annihilation of the knowledge of an individual or that of the universe. http://hinduism.about.com/library/weekly/aa072101a.htm What is in general Hindu religion or philosophy? Hinduism is a way of living according to one's understanding of principles of the Vedas and the Upanishads. The Vedas are revealed knowledge. Just as the knowledge of gravity was revealed to Newton, similarly, in India, many Rishis or Seers were awakened to certain transcendental Eternal Truths. These Rishis realized that their real nature was not concerned with or linked with 'body or mind', nor was it dependent on sense perceptions, but was in fact Divine and identical with Universal Consciousness. The Upanishads These Seers realized their oneness with all beings, and even identified themselves with Transcendental Truth beyond all beings. The state of altered consciousness in which the Seers become one with Truth is spoken of as Samadhi. The Self-realized Seers termed this Reality as Atman, Brahman, Pure Consciousness, or Supreme Being. In course of time, the word God was also interchangeably used with Brahman or Atman. This state of being one with Brahman or Atman was transient but very intense, and many a person gave up his or her body in this blissful state. Thus, their experiences were buried or cremated with them. Fortunately, a few Seers could come back from the state of Transcendental Consciousness to human consciousness, and they were able to express, albeit sketchily, their experiences of that state. They, and their disciples, tried to describe the state that was beyond words and speech. Therefore, their words were inadequate to give full account of the nature of those experiences and of the Truth. The Upanishads contain closest possible approximation of such transcendental states in the language full of poetic richness, similes, and metaphors. But as the Seers lived in different time, culture, and place, the text describing their experiences appeared different. However, one thing was certain and common: That the state they experienced or realized was full of Bliss, beyond comparison with any pleasure or joy obtained by one or all the five senses. It was much higher than sensuality of sex, much enthralling than the sweetness of music, more beautiful than any scenery experienced by the eyes, or any taste perceived by the tongue. Secondly, these Seers felt, out of compassion and love, that everyone should experience such a wonderful and unique state. They were also sure that every being is potentially capable of reaching there, because it was the inner and real nature of all! http://www.geocities.com/neovedanta/a53.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Dear Jagbir, It is my understanding that the power of Shri Kalki is coming from Shri Mataji, but it is manifesting through all Sahaja Yogis. In other words, it is manifesting through many, many individuals at this Time of the Last Judgment and Resurrection in order to usher in the New Age. i have actually heard Shri Mataji say that it is Shri Kalki that is manifesting through all of us, so perhaps Shri Kalki is a collective manifestation. Have you ever heard this too, Jagbir? Violet , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org wrote: > > shriadishakti , ashishcool tandon > <ashishcooltandon> wrote: > > Dear Jagbir, > > > > JSMJ, > > > > The reason for the query was i have never read about > > Shri Kalki being during any of the visits to the > > Sahasrara. > > > > Does a avtaar manifest ni the sahasrara only after he > > incarnates on earth? Does he remain in the > > unmanifested state till then? Shri kalki as we now > > understand would be the tenth avtaar of Shri Vishnu. > > > > Love > > > > Dear Ashish, > > As far i can recall there was never a time that any of my children > ever met Shri Kalki, even though they confirmed all the major gods > and prophets. If He was around then Shri Mataji would definitely have > introduced Him, as it was Her impeccable manners to always introduce > the Divine Unity of Gods and Prophets forming a semi-circle before > Her Throne. > > But the Great Divine Mother once told Kash in the Sahasrara that Shri > Kalki has manifested on Earth. > > Those days i did not know what to make of it - whether this > personality exists as an individual or is Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi > Herself. We have to always keep in mind verse 9 of Mundakopanisad II, > 1, that all incarnations issue forth from Her: > > " From Her take their origin the numerous Gods, The heavenly beings, > men, beasts, and birds, The in-breath and the out-breath, rice and > barley, ascetic fervor, faith, truth, purity, and law. " > > Moreover, the Mahamantra of the Adi Shakti declares: > > Om Twameva Sakshat > Shri Mahalakshmi Mahasaraswati Mahakali Trigunatmika Kundalini Sakshat > Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah > > Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Kalki Sakshat > Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah > > Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Kalki Sakshat > Shri Sahasrara Swamini Moksha Pradayini Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi > Namoh Namah > > > All this evidence compels me today to believe that Shri Kalki will > issue forth from the Shakti again. Shri Kalki will manifest from Shri > Mataji Nirmala Devi because She is verily Shri Kalki, and no one > else. Otherwise this portion of Her Mahamantra which SYs utter daily > is a lie: > > Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Kalki Sakshat > Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah > > Om Twameva Sakshat Shri Kalki Sakshat > Shri Sahasrara Swamini Moksha Pradayini Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi > Namoh Namah > > > It is absolutely clear that it means that " Verily, verily You are > Shri Kalki Shri Adi Shakti Mataji Shri Nirmala Devi Namoh Namah. " No > one else can claim this title. Those who do will open a Pandora's box > that they might really regret. > > > Jai Shri Mataji, > > > jagbir > > > > > " So today is the Day of telling you about the danger of playing > with the Divine. So far people have been taking them for granted. > They have tortured people like Christ, tortured great saints; all the > time human beings have been torturing and I have been warning in > every lecture practically that don't try that trick today because > Kalki is already on. And don't try to trouble anybody who is a > saintly person, who is a good person. Be careful about it because > Kalki is on and once this Power comes on you, you would not know how > to hide yourself. Not only those who are Sahaja Yogis but this I am > telling to the whole world today: BE CAREFUL. DO NOT TRY TO HARM > OTHERS. DO NOT TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE of OTHERS AND DO NOT TRY TO SHOW > OFF YOUR OWN POWER. " > > Shri Tri-murtih Devi > Kundalini And Kalki Shakti, Bombay, India — September 28, 1979 > Tri-murtih (628th): Of the three forms of `Brahma, Visnu and > Siva' > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 , " Violet " <violet.tubb wrote: > > Dear Jagbir, > > It is my understanding that the power of Shri Kalki is coming from > Shri Mataji, but it is manifesting through all Sahaja Yogis. In > other words, it is manifesting through many, many individuals at > this Time of the Last Judgment and Resurrection in order to usher > in the New Age. i have actually heard Shri Mataji say that it is > Shri Kalki that is manifesting through all of us, so perhaps Shri > Kalki is a collective manifestation. > > Have you ever heard this too, Jagbir? > > Violet > Dear Violet, You must know of a most important aspect of the Kalki prophecy, the promised incarnation of the Man on the White Horse. It is about the location of the village Shambala in India. No one seems to know where it is, if indeed it exists at all in the frist place. Thus if you understand that this village is non-existant then Shri Mataji's interpretation points Kalki's eventual manifestation through human consciousness. Thus it is more in according with the Book of Revelation. Having said that, i wish to say that both Christian and Vedic holy texts are in agreement over the more important facts of the prophecy and the events leading to His Coming. After understanding Shri Mataji's interpretation you will realize both are in collective agreement, with one complimenting the other and vice versa. According to G. de Purucker " The 'second coming' of Christ -- not of Jesus but of the Christ-spirit -- alludes to the universally held belief that Adi-buddha or the Christos, the Logos, manifests itself from time to time in the world. In other words, the 'second coming' is simply a new manifestation of the Logos, the Christos. As Krishna says in the Bhagavad-Gita: Whenever, O descendant of Bharata, a decline of duty comes into being -- a springing up of unrighteousness -- then, indeed, I emanate myself. For the preservation of the righteous, for the destruction of the evil-doers, for the sake of establishing Duty, I take birth from age to age. -- Chapter iv, slokas 7-8 Here we have Krishna, the type-avatara of Hindustan, implying that he comes at different times into the manifested world as an avataric energy at the beginnings of descending or materializing cycles in human experience. He spoke in his divine capacity as being one of the gods who inspirit and invigorate our universe. It is obvious from the reach of this teaching that many gods can and do have avataric manifestations. The one who was in Krishna as the divine essence may have manifested as an avatara many times before, and inevitably will manifest again; and the same divinity which worked through Jesus must have sent a divine ray into other human beings in the past, i.e. into other avataric entities, and will do so again. In a way every human being's own inner god, who is a spark of the cosmic spirit, could say the same words as those ascribed to Krishna. For the average man today, buffeted as he is by the winds of destiny because he has no spiritual holding-power, it would be a manifestation resembling that of an avatara if his inner divinity -- the heart of his reincarnating ego -- were to express itself more or less continuously through his consciousness, and therefore through his physical brain. … One of the oldest mythologic Hindu legends tells how Vishnu plunges into the 'waters' in the form of a boar and holds up the earth on his tusks. The story is found in some of the literary works of the Vedic cycle as well as in the Mahabharata and the Puranas. In its earliest forms, the avataras of a deity are ascribed to Prajapati, the father of mankind and of the beasts, the vegetation and all the mineral world; in other words, to Brahma. Later forms of the story as given in the Puranas attribute ten avataras to Vishnu, the Sustainer. These range from the fish-avatara, through the tortoise, the boar, the man-lion, the dwarf, and so forth to Krishna, the eighth incarnation, and on up to and including the tenth, called the Kalki-avatara. Each succeeding avatara in the world order is in a higher grade of beings than the preceding one. The Kalki-avatara has not yet appeared, and this incarnation represents what the Occident popularly speaks of as 'the coming of the Messiah' -- when all wrongs shall be righted, and when righteousness and justice shall be firmly established on earth. (end) According to Stephen Knapp's Kalki: The Next Avatar of God and the End of Kali-yuga, " at the conjunction of two yugas [Kali-yuga and Satya-yuga], the Lord of the creation will take His birth as the Kalki incarnation and become the son of Vishnuyasha. At this time the rulers of the earth will have degenerated into plunderers. " (Bhag.1.3.25) " Lord Kalki will appear in the home of the most eminent brahmana of Shambhala village, the great soul Vishnuyasha. " (Bhag.12.2.18) " At the end of Kali-yuga, when there exist no topics on the subject of God, even at the residences of so-called saints and respectable gentlemen of the three higher castes, and when the power of government is transferred to the hands of ministers elected from the lowborn shudra class or those less than them, and when nothing is known of the techniques of sacrifice, even by word, at that time the Lord will appear as the supreme chastiser. " (Bhag.2.7.38) The Vishnu Purana (Book Four, Chapter 24) also explains that, " When the practices taught in the Vedas and institutes of law have nearly ceased, and the close of the Kali age shall be nigh, a portion of that divine being who exists of His own spiritual nature, and who is the beginning and end, and who comprehends all things, shall descend upon earth. He will be born in the family of Vishnuyasha, an eminent brahmana of Shambhala village, as Kalki, endowed with eight superhuman faculties. " The Padma Purana (6.71.279-282) relates that Lord Kalki will end the age of Kali and will kill all the wicked mlecchas and, thus, destroy the bad condition of the world. He will gather all of the distinguished brahmanas and will propound the highest truth. He will know all the ways of life that have perished and will remove the prolonged hunger of the genuine brahmanas and the pious. He will be the only ruler of the world that cannot be controlled, and will be the banner of victory and adorable to the world. Here in these verses we find that Lord Kalki will come as a chastiser or warrior. By this time the planet will be filled with people who will be unable to understand logical conversations. They will be too slow-minded and dull-witted, not capable of being taught much, especially in the way of high philosophy regarding the purpose of life. They will not know what they need to do or how to live. And they certainly will be unable to change their ways. Therefore, Lord Kalki does not come to teach, but simply to chastise, punish, and cleanse the planet. Furthermore, we also find the name of the place where Lord Kalki will appear and the name of the family in which He will be born. The family will be qualified brahmanas. This means that a disciplic and family line of spiritually qualified brahmanas will remain on the planet throughout the age of Kali, no matter how bad things get. Though they may be hidden, living in a small village somewhere, it will be this line of bhaktas, spiritual devotees, from which Lord Kalki will appear in the distant future. No one knows where this village of Shambala is located. Some feel that it is yet to manifest, or that it will be a hidden underground community from which Lord Kalki will appear. " (end) This is what Shri Mataji has to say: " The word Kalki is actually an abbreviation of the word Niskalankh. Niskalankh means the same as My name is, which means Nirmala. That it is spotlessly clean. Something that is spotlessly clean is Niskalankh — without any spot marks. Now this Incarnation has been described in many Puranas as will be coming on this Earth on a white horse in a village of Sambhalpur. They call it Sambhalpur. It is very interesting how people take everything so literally. The word Sambhalpur means bhal is the forehead; sambhal means at that state; that means Kalki is situated at your bhal. Bhal is the forehead and here He is going to be born. That is the real meaning of the word Sambhalpur. In between Jesus Christ and His destroying Incarnation of Mahavishnu called as Kalki there is a time given to human beings to rectify themselves, for them to enter into the Kingdom of God, which in the Bible is called as Last Judgment. " Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi Kundalini And Kalki Shakti, Bombay, India — September 28, 1979 Violet, Shri Mataji makes it clear that Shri Kalki is going to be born from the collective Sahasraras of all who are taking part in the Last Judgment. He will manifest through collective consciousness and not take physical birth. Thus no human can ever claim to be the Kalki Avatar because He will have no biological father or mother. It is the collective consciousness of millions of conscientious and dharmic souls calling forth for Divine help that will bring forth His incarnation. The worst is yet to come for humanity in future and that will trigger the consciousness necessary for His birth. Shri Kalki will manifest from the collective consciousness of those surrendering to the Divine Message of God Almighty – The Good News of the Last Judgment and Resurrection for humanity.) Another obvious reason that Shri Mataji's interpretation is correct is because there is no such village by the name " Shambala " in the whole of India, or elsewhere in the world. Shambala just does not exist as a physical location. So no scholar can interpret it logically and claim Kalki will be taking birth there. Stephen Knapp continues his Kalki: The Next Avatar of God and the End of Kali-yuga: THE ACTIVITIES OF LORD KALKI The Srimad-Bhagavatam (12.2.19-20) describes Lord Kalki's activities as follows: " Lord Kalki, the Lord of the universe, will mount His swift white horse Devadatta and, sword in hand, travel over the earth exhibiting His eight mystic opulences and eight special qualities of Godhead. Displaying His unequaled effulgence and riding with great speed, He will kill by the millions those thieves who have dared dress as kings. " … IS LORD KALKI PREDICTED IN THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS? Here are some additional interesting points to consider. There are verses from the book of Revelations in the Bible that are very similar to the above descriptions in the Puranas about Lord Kalki. These verses are so similar that they cannot be ignored and may provide additional insight for Christians and similarities they may share with Vedic culture. In Revelations (19.11-16, & 19-21) it states: " And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, but no man knew but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat on the horse. " This sounds so much like the incarnation of Lord Kalki that it could hardly be anyone else. Surely, by the time Lord Kalki appears, no one will have the slightest expectation of Him or His appearance. No one will know His name. And His army of brahmanas will be as pure as if they had descended from heaven. At the time of Lord Kalki's appearance, He will kill the remaining miscreants and deliver the few saintly people from the present conditions of the earth, changing it back to the Golden Age of Satya-yuga. In this regard, Revelations (14.1-3) also describes: " And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb [a typical symbol for the Divine or an incarnation of the Divine] stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps; And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. " … So herein could be an indication that when the last of society is delivered from the earth during the end times, they will be those who wear the name of God on their foreheads, at least according to these verses. Also, as in accord with other Vedic prophecies, we can understand that there will be very few people left in the world who will have any piety at all. (end) The biblical warning that " during the end times, they will be those who wear the name of God on their foreheads " carries the same Vedic message that it " is the collective consciousness of millions of conscientious and dharmic souls calling forth for Divine help that will bring forth His incarnation. " Only those taking part in the Last Judgment can understand that the holy scriptures of Christianity and Hinduism (and Islam) are warning humanity of impending doom, pleading with them to wear the name of God on their foreheads i.e., meditate on the Divine in their Sahasraras (Kingdom of God) within. The worst is yet to come for humanity. In future the unbearable degeneration of society will trigger the consciousness necessary for His birth. Shri Kalki will manifest from the collective consciousness of those surrendering to the Divine Message – the Last Judgment and Resurrection for humanity. Thus we can say that Satya Yuga is also about to break its faintest of Light and penetrate the darkest hour of Kali Yuga. Those who follow the Divine Message will experience Satya Yuga while the majority will sink deeper into the worst of Kali Yuga. It is the future decadence of humanity that will profoundly disturb and repulse the conscience of those taking part in the Last Judgment and Resurrection. It is the consciousness of these souls that will manifest and eventually bring forth His birth. Every incarnation bears a special message. The central message of the Adi Shakti's incarnation is the warning to humanity to prepare and escape the Second Coming. Those souls surrendering to the Great Event and Good News of the Divine Message are conscious that Shri Kalki will eventually appear. They know that " between Jesus Christ and His destroying Incarnation of Mahavishnu called as Kalki there is a time given to human beings to rectify themselves, for them to enter into the Kingdom of God, which in the Bible is called as Last Judgment. " They are the ones who, by their sustained consciousness of His destroying Incarnation, will eventually bring forth Kalki. This last incarnation of Shri Vishnu is already manifesting in our Sahasraras, the Kingdom of God within. So Violet it is all true. Shri Mataji did say that " it is Shri Kalki that is manifesting through all of us " and that " Shri Kalki is a collective manifestation. " Thanks for asking a most important collective prophecy that is promised by the holy scriptures of Christianity, Hinduism and Islam to eventually manifest. i am sure many seekers in future will benefit immensely from its harmonious synthesis of the major religions and help break the barriers that divide the religious masses. i really feel good as i too found knowledge that was non-existent before. Jai Shri Mataji, jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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