Faith in SatGuru leads to liberating truth of Ambaa Om (Shri Lalita Devi)

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

i have taken some quotes from , " a e-mail discussion group

comprising of devotees of shrImAtA and Lord shiva. Worshipping the

supreme being (saguNa brahman) as divine Mother and Father of this

cosmos is a part of ancient and eternal religious tradition (sanatana

dharma). " Like all SYs they also worship Shri Lalita Devi through

their gurus. Their discussion about SatGuru and Shraddha is worth

understanding:

 

 

" As Guru Gita declares " na guroradhikam na guroradhikam " . If one is

blessed with a SatGuru, then all other things including stutis,

samskaras don't even matter - " nimiShArdhArdha pAdadva yad vAkhyAt

vimucyate | svAtmAnam svaram;Adatte tasmai shrI gurave namaH || "

 

But it is also clear that one must be really providential to get a

SatGuru. In this context, it may be interesting to see contrasting

views as to which precedes what:

 

In Guru Gita, Lord Shiva declares :

 

veda shAstra purANAni itihAsAdikAni ca |

mantra yantra vidyAdIni mohanoccATanAdikam ||

shaiva shAktA .a gamAdIni hyanye ca bahavo matAH |

apab & #65007;raM & #65007;;shAH samastAnAm jIvAnam bhrAnta cetasam ||

japas tapo vRRitam tIrtham yaGYo dAnam tathaiva ca |

guru tattvam aviGYAya sarvaM vyartham bhavet priye ||

 

(Things like Vedas, Shastras, Puranas, Agamas, Mantras, Yantras,

Vidyas etc. and religions like Shaivism, ShAktam etc. will only

confuse people. All practices like Japam, Tapas, Vratas etc. are all

waste without Guru Tattva). " 1

 

" Faith is one of the greatest spiritual gifts. The mere collecting of

facts from books or from other external sources from the net or

groups is not enough to give us genuine faith. Our words never carry

any weight and it amounts to a mere belief. Belief comes from

reasoning and arguments. We hear something, which appeals to us, we

make a careful analysis on it reflect on it and decide that we may

believe it.

 

By another word someone more powerful in arguments and reasoning can

create a doubt in our mind and make us waver again. This process is

endless without any benefits.

 

To have faith in the scriptures and saviors is a fundamental teaching

of every religion and in our great Santana Dharma we need not believe

in the past saviors unseen -- hundreds of years back but only repose

faith in the saviors around you and called as " guru dev " .

 

But one may ask why should I have faith in the Guru who is after all

a human being like me. The answer could be that we are too weak to

discover the truth of Ambaa Om by ourselves due to constant thought

of our mind with the physical body. This strength is not great enough

and a guru with his Cosmic mind through Tapsya can matter a lot.

 

Gurus are God Men (despite of their human weaknesses should they have

one) help us with the spiritual charge through the Beeja mantras

initiated and if we have faith in them we actually see the Truth. It

is very likely a sishya may see the truth much earlier than the Guru

himself if his faith is strong and goes by the guru's words.

 

Therefore a Guru cannot be understood as an ordinary human being. Our

scriptures talk of the Supreme as Guru and every Guru is also supreme

if we have faith in scriptures.

 

Gurus guide us in dogmas, doctrines, ceremonies and rituals that help

us in realization of truth upon which our faith must rest. So long as

we follow these with the right spirit we have true faith, when

however we forget the real aim of these outer observances and go

through them in a mechanical fashion it becomes superstition and reap

no benefit.

 

The very modesty with which a sishya approaches a Guru and prostrates

is the first effort he makes to surrender or suppress his Ego to

which one is constantly attached.

 

In short belief is prone to doubts and is wasteful and destructive

while faith is constructive, as with faith we can accomplish

anything, as the road of faith through a Guru is definite and

positive. Faith is not to be equated with ignorance and uneducated --

as if the person has no power to investigate for themselves. Faith

through a guru has lead many and continues to lead to unfold the

Truth.

 

May I remind the devotees the DM shloka " Ya Devi Sarva Bhutheshu

Shraddha Rupena Samsthitha. "

 

As per Sri Vidya Upasana should the Guru's words override scriptures

then Guru's word becomes the scriptures. That is the power of Guru

and faith on the guru. " 2

 

" The word " shraddha " is more than faith. And the word faith is

understood differently in English by different cultures and commonly

for most people, faith is a firm or deep belief.

 

Going back to shraddhaa, it is defined quite nicely in

vivekachuuDamaNiH by our aachaarya.

 

shaastrasya guru vaakyasya satya-buddhi-avadhaaraNam |

saa shraddha kathita sadbhiH yayaa vastu upalabhyate ||

 

shraddha is a firm conviction or certainty that shastra-s and

instructions of guru is true, this is view of wise ones. This

shraddha will lead to brahma jnAnam.

 

There is another aspect built into shraddha -- that is -- it is ALWAYS

associated with adherence to that truth. This aspect is clearly

brought out by shraddhaa suuktam. The person who has shraddha is not

only certain that it is true, but also adheres to it. This makes a

sea of difference. " 3

 

1. /message/7038

2. /message/7035

3. /message/7039

 

 

i have yet to come across even a single SY website that dare claim

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi in the incarnation of Shri Lalita. Maybe we

should find out more about " shraddha " which is obviously lacking. Yet

SYs ridicule my family as possessed for the thousands of decade-old

mystical experiences with Shri Lalita Devi in the Sahasrara that

continues to compel us to adhere to shraddha and perform our dharma.

 

But for how long will this truth be suppressed? What evidence can SYs

present to claim Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is the incarnation of Shri

Lalita Devi in the Sahasrara? Or does the lack of evidence reflect

the lack of shraddha on SY websites? Remember this: Shraddha is

ALWAYS associated with adherence to Truth no matter what the

consequences to its bearer!

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

if one stay away from truth after self-realisation,then i can only

say one is actually still NOT self-realised

 

sampa

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> i have taken some quotes from , " a e-mail discussion group

> comprising of devotees of shrImAtA and Lord shiva. Worshipping the

> supreme being (saguNa brahman) as divine Mother and Father of this

> cosmos is a part of ancient and eternal religious tradition

(sanatana

> dharma). " Like all SYs they also worship Shri Lalita Devi through

> their gurus. Their discussion about SatGuru and Shraddha is worth

> understanding:

>

>

> " As Guru Gita declares " na guroradhikam na guroradhikam " . If one is

> blessed with a SatGuru, then all other things including stutis,

> samskaras don't even matter - " nimiShArdhArdha pAdadva yad vAkhyAt

> vimucyate | svAtmAnam svaram;Adatte tasmai shrI gurave namaH || "

>

> But it is also clear that one must be really providential to get a

> SatGuru. In this context, it may be interesting to see contrasting

> views as to which precedes what:

>

> In Guru Gita, Lord Shiva declares :

>

> veda shAstra purANAni itihAsAdikAni ca |

> mantra yantra vidyAdIni mohanoccATanAdikam ||

> shaiva shAktA .a gamAdIni hyanye ca bahavo matAH |

> apab & #65007;raM & #65007;;shAH samastAnAm jIvAnam bhrAnta cetasam ||

> japas tapo vRRitam tIrtham yaGYo dAnam tathaiva ca |

> guru tattvam aviGYAya sarvaM vyartham bhavet priye ||

>

> (Things like Vedas, Shastras, Puranas, Agamas, Mantras, Yantras,

> Vidyas etc. and religions like Shaivism, ShAktam etc. will only

> confuse people. All practices like Japam, Tapas, Vratas etc. are

all

> waste without Guru Tattva). " 1

>

> " Faith is one of the greatest spiritual gifts. The mere collecting

of

> facts from books or from other external sources from the net or

> groups is not enough to give us genuine faith. Our words never

carry

> any weight and it amounts to a mere belief. Belief comes from

> reasoning and arguments. We hear something, which appeals to us,

we

> make a careful analysis on it reflect on it and decide that we may

> believe it.

>

> By another word someone more powerful in arguments and reasoning

can

> create a doubt in our mind and make us waver again. This process

is

> endless without any benefits.

>

> To have faith in the scriptures and saviors is a fundamental

teaching

> of every religion and in our great Santana Dharma we need not

believe

> in the past saviors unseen -- hundreds of years back but only

repose

> faith in the saviors around you and called as " guru dev " .

>

> But one may ask why should I have faith in the Guru who is after

all

> a human being like me. The answer could be that we are too weak to

> discover the truth of Ambaa Om by ourselves due to constant

thought

> of our mind with the physical body. This strength is not great

enough

> and a guru with his Cosmic mind through Tapsya can matter a lot.

>

> Gurus are God Men (despite of their human weaknesses should they

have

> one) help us with the spiritual charge through the Beeja mantras

> initiated and if we have faith in them we actually see the Truth.

It

> is very likely a sishya may see the truth much earlier than the

Guru

> himself if his faith is strong and goes by the guru's words.

>

> Therefore a Guru cannot be understood as an ordinary human being.

Our

> scriptures talk of the Supreme as Guru and every Guru is also

supreme

> if we have faith in scriptures.

>

> Gurus guide us in dogmas, doctrines, ceremonies and rituals that

help

> us in realization of truth upon which our faith must rest. So long

as

> we follow these with the right spirit we have true faith, when

> however we forget the real aim of these outer observances and go

> through them in a mechanical fashion it becomes superstition and

reap

> no benefit.

>

> The very modesty with which a sishya approaches a Guru and

prostrates

> is the first effort he makes to surrender or suppress his Ego to

> which one is constantly attached.

>

> In short belief is prone to doubts and is wasteful and destructive

> while faith is constructive, as with faith we can accomplish

> anything, as the road of faith through a Guru is definite and

> positive. Faith is not to be equated with ignorance and

uneducated --

> as if the person has no power to investigate for themselves. Faith

> through a guru has lead many and continues to lead to unfold the

> Truth.

>

> May I remind the devotees the DM shloka " Ya Devi Sarva Bhutheshu

> Shraddha Rupena Samsthitha. "

>

> As per Sri Vidya Upasana should the Guru's words override

scriptures

> then Guru's word becomes the scriptures. That is the power of Guru

> and faith on the guru. " 2

>

> " The word " shraddha " is more than faith. And the word faith is

> understood differently in English by different cultures and

commonly

> for most people, faith is a firm or deep belief.

>

> Going back to shraddhaa, it is defined quite nicely in

> vivekachuuDamaNiH by our aachaarya.

>

> shaastrasya guru vaakyasya satya-buddhi-avadhaaraNam |

> saa shraddha kathita sadbhiH yayaa vastu upalabhyate ||

>

> shraddha is a firm conviction or certainty that shastra-s and

> instructions of guru is true, this is view of wise ones. This

> shraddha will lead to brahma jnAnam.

>

> There is another aspect built into shraddha -- that is -- it is

ALWAYS

> associated with adherence to that truth. This aspect is clearly

> brought out by shraddhaa suuktam. The person who has shraddha is

not

> only certain that it is true, but also adheres to it. This makes a

> sea of difference. " 3

>

> 1. /message/7038

> 2. /message/7035

> 3. /message/7039

>

>

> i have yet to come across even a single SY website that dare claim

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi in the incarnation of Shri Lalita. Maybe

we

> should find out more about " shraddha " which is obviously lacking.

Yet

> SYs ridicule my family as possessed for the thousands of decade-

old

> mystical experiences with Shri Lalita Devi in the Sahasrara that

> continues to compel us to adhere to shraddha and perform our

dharma.

>

> But for how long will this truth be suppressed? What evidence can

SYs

> present to claim Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is the incarnation of

Shri

> Lalita Devi in the Sahasrara? Or does the lack of evidence reflect

> the lack of shraddha on SY websites? Remember this: Shraddha is

> ALWAYS associated with adherence to Truth no matter what the

> consequences to its bearer!

>

> jagbir