Guest guest Posted July 18, 2004 Report Share Posted July 18, 2004 shriadishakti , sahaj hist <sahajhist> wrote: > I agree with Mahesh on this. > btw, this is why we Sahaja Yogis choose to cleanse our > subtle systems on a regular basis - so we can use > vibrational awareness, not mental activity, to > understand reality. > So, dear brother Jagbir, if you cannot feel Chopra's > vibrations then its obviously time to reincorporate > footsoaking and candle treatment in your weekly > routine! > John > > BTW, i forgot to mention that in 1452 the Inquisytion used vibrational awareness, not mental activity, to understand the reality of setting out the posse to rid the organization of possessed, demonic children. And i am talking about the most experienced world leader, gi Mahajunk Khan, and his cronies. i understand that this elite squad have been religiously footsoaking and using candle treatments for years - 5, 10, 15 - and continue till today. Care to comment? jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Jai ShriMataji Jagbirji Shri Mataji has enabled us to see the world beyond fanaticism and so called rationality . And the enabler for that was Param Chaitanya. With the help of the holy ghost, we are able to distinguish between what is good and what is bad and listen to and trust our hearts instead of mind which is limited. The moment I start interpreting things with my intellect and forget vibrations, I know that I might be mistaken (and always am!!) I agree fully with you that we as Sahaja Yogis have failed to spread Sahaja Yoga and while I dont know about it, reading your mails, it appears some of the leaders are guilty of doing many things that Shri Mataji never told us to do. However, we all have faith in divine and its because of it that those " leaders " are not even in Sahaja now. I have met many people in life who are not in Sahaja and yet are wonderful people and also have met people who are in Sahaja and yet do things that we should not do. However, what Shri Mataji taught us was to check the vibrations for they never lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 shriadishakti , " anujg_iitd " <anujg_iitd> wrote: > Jai ShriMataji Jagbirji > > Shri Mataji has enabled us to see the world beyond fanaticism and so > called rationality . And the enabler for that was Param Chaitanya. > With the help of the holy ghost, we are able to distinguish between > what is good and what is bad and listen to and trust our hearts > instead of mind which is limited. The moment I start interpreting > things with my intellect and forget vibrations, I know that I might > be mistaken (and always am!!) > Dear Anujji, Thank you for your input. i cannot be more agreeable that Shri Mataji has enabled us to see the world beyond fanaticism, and that is why Chopra was vigorously defended. SYs keep missing the point that compared to the likes of Sai Baba, Muktananda, Sri Chinmoy, Rev. Moon, etc., he never claimed himself to be a divine personality. Why do a few quotes agitate them so much and cause others to react? Ever since i started meditating on the Devi within a decade ago there has been no end to so-called established SYs mentoring me what to read, listen, see, wear, eat, visit. The seniority pecking order makes it almost impossible to become your own master. For them anything not making the list of Shri Mataji's recommendations are suspicious at best. (Do they honestly believe that Shri Mataji scans all the world's newspapers, magazines, movies, books, sitcoms, soap operas and radio stations to spoon-feed them with prized pickings, forbidden fruits and common sense?) The basis of their objection to my choices are vibrations, an infallible weapon subsequently used by the Inquisytion to pursue its infamous purge. Over the years i have become skeptical of SYs using vibrations to judge due to the abuse my family has suffered. There is no consistency in their findings. At times they even contradict each other, and confuse the rest. You are never sure of their conviction. Take for example Yogi Mahajan's book, The Geeta Enlightened. Many acknowledged years ago that it emitted good vibrations. When he was asked to leave in disgrace by Shri Mataji the same book started giving off bad vibrations. How can that be possible? The reverse happened the day Shri Mataji told that hatha yoga breathing exercises were valid. How come SYs stopped feeling bad vibrations from hatha yoga? Does truth contradict? give off bad vibrations? If i were to fanatically follow the advise of SYs who can pick up hot vibrations, bad mooladharas or false gurus i will have to stop 1) reading book, novels, magazines, newspapers, billboards; 2) cease listening to radios, political speeches, musical presentations; 3) see movies, watch television; 4) wear jeans, T-shorts, designer shoes; 5) eat in restaurants, MacDonald's, Subways, Wendys; 6) visit friends in pubs, drug-infested housing etc. Any fanatically conditioned SY will tell you that all these will trigger the catches of hot vibrations, bad mooladharas or false gurus. Why just single out Chopra for having a bad mooladhara when you can practically point the guilty finger at anyone. Do i have to stop watching BBC or reading the New York Times because their editors have horrible mooladharas? Do i stop eating at my neighborhood MacDonald's because most of their youthful employees have bad catches due to drinking, drugs and multiple sexual partners? Am i to flee from libraries and bookshops because most authors will either have hot vibrations, bad mooladharas or are followers of false gurus / corrupted religions? Do i refuse to see/follow the advise of a doctor who is Sai Baba devotee, and is catching horribly? All this unnecessary and excessive concern for the purity of the subtle system has retarded SYs and developed a sick siege mentality. Just check with the Vashi Clinic at Belapour, India and you will hear embarrassing stories from the SY doctors of how the fear of bhoots and negativity have SYs living in constant dread and anxiety. All this fanaticism with bhoots, baddhas, hot vibrations, bad mooladharas and false gurus are turning normal devotees in ailing SYs who need years of foot-soaking and candle treatments. The All-Pervasive Negativity keeps attacking them regularly and thus a daily regimen of cleansing continues for years .......................... with no end or solution in sight. But this siege mentality does not end here. It has bred a host of innovative observations. One that i witnessed was senior SYs checking for physical scars/defects. If you have a scar on the throat then automatically your Vishuddhi Chakra will always catch. A herniated disk is interpreted as a problem with the Sushumna Nadi. It is humiliating enough when such signs are examined but the insult to injury is when your are told that it is the Divine meting punishment. Don't think i am making this up; i was a victim of senior SYs who thought that 15 years in Sahaja Yoga brought them enlightenment and the right to dispense it in minuscule portions to ignorant seekers like me. And there was no room for argument. When their 'vibrations' are right who am i to say otherwise? SYs depend on vibrations but have yet to substantially harness a far superior means to ascertain truth and awareness - the thoughtless state. When all mental activity ceases what is there left to interpret? You just do your daily routine in Silence, without any need to check vibrations. One still needs to mentally asked vibrations about one's enquiry. So how can vibrations overrule the thoughtless state where all mental activity ceases, the Nirvikalpa that Shri Mataji insists must be reached? This is a level of consciousness that remains inaccessible to the majority because it is very difficult to attain and sustain. ......... and i am not talking about a few minutes during meditation but hours daily over weeks, months and years! Over time there has been this awareness that to destroy negativity one must first experience and learn what it is. This baseless fear and siege mentality of bhoots, baddhas, hot vibrations, bad mooladharas and false gurus, both real and imaginary, must come to an end. We cannot allow our minds to be agitated by all these mental perceptions of negativity. If you do then be assured that you will be foot-soaking and performing candle rituals for a very, very long time. jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 To Fletcher It is a delight to read your comment.If sy still cannot see the oneness in things,I have to honestly say that they are not self-realised.This conclusion is alarming as sy were given the head start by sri matagi.No wonder Jagbir have to be so patient to them and exhort them to reach the final goal of self-realisation which is the one and only truth. sampa > > Thank you Jagbir, > Your post is most appropriately spoken. > I'm very much in agreement with all that you have said. > In our physical world we have dualities, but what yoga has shown me, > is how to transcend those differences and see who the creator is, in > all beings, no exemptions. By becoming aware of the real self through > self-realization, we are reminded that we are not our bodies, rather they > are ours. We are not our thoughts, they are ours. We are not our emotions, > they are ours. So no matter what is taking place external to our main focus of > attention(our bodies), we are never subject to it. But instead we can observe it > for it's truth, which is we are ONE. > There is no such thing as good nor bad from the highest perspective. > There are only things that will help to evolve me and there are those > things that won't help to evolve me. But by mainataining the witness state we > can observe all without judgement or preconceptions of any kind, and thereby > gain a better perspective of the Divine overarching purpose. What is taking place > in the higher evolution is what really matters. > love, > fletcher > > -- > " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org> > shriadishakti > Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:05:03 -0000 > > ><html><body> > > > > > ><tt> > >shriadishakti , " anujg_iitd " <anujg_iitd> <BR> > >wrote:<BR> > >> Jai ShriMataji Jagbirji<BR> > >> <BR> > >> Shri Mataji has enabled us to see the world beyond fanaticism and <BR> > >so <BR> > >> called rationality . And the enabler for that was Param Chaitanya. <BR> > >> With the help of the holy ghost, we are able to distinguish between <BR> > >> what is good and what is bad and listen to and trust our hearts <BR> > >> instead of mind which is limited. The moment I start interpreting <BR> > >> things with my intellect and forget vibrations, I know that I might <BR> > >> be mistaken (and always am!!)<BR> > >> <BR> > ><BR> > >Dear Anujji,<BR> > ><BR> > >Thank you for your input.<BR> > ><BR> > >i cannot be more agreeable that Shri Mataji has enabled us to see the <BR> > >world beyond fanaticism, and that is why Chopra was vigorously <BR> > >defended. SYs keep missing the point that compared to the likes of <BR> > >Sai Baba, Muktananda, Sri Chinmoy, Rev. Moon, etc., he never claimed <BR> > >himself to be a divine personality. Why do a few quotes agitate them <BR> > >so much and cause others to react?<BR> > ><BR> > >Ever since i started meditating on the Devi within a decade ago there <BR> > >has been no end to so-called established SYs mentoring me what to <BR> > >read, listen, see, wear, eat, visit. The seniority pecking order <BR> > >makes it almost impossible to become your own master. For them <BR> > >anything not making the list of Shri Mataji's recommendations are <BR> > >suspicious at best. (Do they honestly believe that Shri Mataji scans <BR> > >all the world's newspapers, magazines, movies, books, sitcoms, soap <BR> > >operas and radio stations to spoon-feed them with prized pickings, <BR> > >forbidden fruits and common sense?)<BR> > ><BR> > >The basis of their objection to my choices are vibrations, an <BR> > >infallible weapon subsequently used by the Inquisytion to pursue its <BR> > >infamous purge. <BR> > ><BR> > >Over the years i have become skeptical of SYs using vibrations to <BR> > >judge due to the abuse my family has suffered. There is no <BR> > >consistency in their findings. At times they even contradict each <BR> > >other, and confuse the rest. You are never sure of their conviction.<BR> > ><BR> > >Take for example Yogi Mahajan's book, The Geeta Enlightened. Many <BR> > >acknowledged years ago that it emitted good vibrations. When he was <BR> > >asked to leave in disgrace by Shri Mataji the same book started <BR> > >giving off bad vibrations. How can that be possible? The reverse <BR> > >happened the day Shri Mataji told that hatha yoga breathing exercises <BR> > >were valid. How come SYs stopped feeling bad vibrations from hatha <BR> > >yoga? Does truth contradict? give off bad vibrations?<BR> > ><BR> > >If i were to fanatically follow the advise of SYs who can pick up hot <BR> > >vibrations, bad mooladharas or false gurus i will have to stop 1) <BR> > >reading book, novels, magazines, newspapers, billboards; 2) cease <BR> > >listening to radios, political speeches, musical presentations; 3) <BR> > >see movies, watch television; 4) wear jeans, T-shorts, designer <BR> > >shoes; 5) eat in restaurants, MacDonald's, Subways, Wendys; 6) visit <BR> > >friends in pubs, drug-infested housing etc. Any fanatically <BR> > >conditioned SY will tell you that all these will trigger the catches <BR> > >of hot vibrations, bad mooladharas or false gurus. <BR> > ><BR> > >Why just single out Chopra for having a bad mooladhara when you can <BR> > >practically point the guilty finger at anyone. Do i have to stop <BR> > >watching BBC or reading the New York Times because their editors have <BR> > >horrible mooladharas? Do i stop eating at my neighborhood MacDonald's <BR> > >because most of their youthful employees have bad catches due to <BR> > >drinking, drugs and multiple sexual partners? Am i to flee from <BR> > >libraries and bookshops because most authors will either have hot <BR> > >vibrations, bad mooladharas or are followers of false gurus / <BR> > >corrupted religions? Do i refuse to see/follow the advise of a doctor <BR> > >who is Sai Baba devotee, and is catching horribly?<BR> > ><BR> > >All this unnecessary and excessive concern for the purity of the <BR> > >subtle system has retarded SYs and developed a sick siege mentality. <BR> > >Just check with the Vashi Clinic at Belapour, India and you will hear <BR> > >embarrassing stories from the SY doctors of how the fear of bhoots <BR> > >and negativity have SYs living in constant dread and anxiety. All <BR> > >this fanaticism with bhoots, baddhas, hot vibrations, bad mooladharas <BR> > >and false gurus are turning normal devotees in ailing SYs who need <BR> > >years of foot-soaking and candle treatments. The All-Pervasive <BR> > >Negativity keeps attacking them regularly and thus a daily regimen of <BR> > >cleansing continues for years .......................... with no <BR> > >end or solution in sight.<BR> > ><BR> > >But this siege mentality does not end here. It has bred a host of <BR> > >innovative observations. One that i witnessed was senior SYs checking <BR> > >for physical scars/defects. If you have a scar on the throat then <BR> > >automatically your Vishuddhi Chakra will always catch. A herniated <BR> > >disk is interpreted as a problem with the Sushumna Nadi. <BR> > ><BR> > >It is humiliating enough when such signs are examined but the insult <BR> > >to injury is when your are told that it is the Divine meting <BR> > >punishment. Don't think i am making this up; i was a victim of senior <BR> > >SYs who thought that 15 years in Sahaja Yoga brought them <BR> > >enlightenment and the right to dispense it in minuscule portions to <BR> > >ignorant seekers like me. And there was no room for argument. When <BR> > >their 'vibrations' are right who am i to say otherwise?<BR> > ><BR> > >SYs depend on vibrations but have yet to substantially harness a far <BR> > >superior means to ascertain truth and awareness - the thoughtless <BR> > >state. When all mental activity ceases what is there left to <BR> > >interpret? You just do your daily routine in Silence, without any <BR> > >need to check vibrations. One still needs to mentally asked <BR> > >vibrations about one's enquiry. So how can vibrations overrule the <BR> > >thoughtless state where all mental activity ceases, the Nirvikalpa <BR> > >that Shri Mataji insists must be reached? This is a level of <BR> > >consciousness that remains inaccessible to the majority because it is <BR> > >very difficult to attain and sustain. ......... and i am not talking <BR> > >about a few minutes during meditation but hours daily over weeks, <BR> > >months and years!<BR> > ><BR> > >Over time there has been this awareness that to destroy negativity <BR> > >one must first experience and learn what it is. This baseless fear <BR> > >and siege mentality of bhoots, baddhas, hot vibrations, bad <BR> > >mooladharas and false gurus, both real and imaginary, must come to an <BR> > >end. We cannot allow our minds to be agitated by all these mental <BR> > >perceptions of negativity. If you do then be assured that you will be <BR> > >foot-soaking and performing candle rituals for a very, very long time.<BR> > ><BR> > ><BR> > >jagbir<BR> > ><BR> > ><BR> > ></tt> > > > > > ><br> > > > ><!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> > > > ><table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> > ><tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> > ><td align=center><font size= " -1 " color=#003399><b> Sponsor</b></font></td> > ></tr> > ><tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF> > ><td align=center width=470><table border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0> <tr> <td align=center><font face=arial size=-2></font><br><a href= " http://us.ard./SIG=129glk6k5/M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=g\ roups/S=1705077076:HM/EXP=1090335986/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http://compani\ on. 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