Secret taught by living Jesus: If you know yourself then you know the Kingdom of God.

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"jagbir singh" <adishakti_org Sun Jul 25, 2004 9:51 am Secret taught by living Jesus: "If you know yourself then you know the Kingdom of God."

 

shriadishakti , "jagbir singh"<adishakti_org> wrote:>> On December 9, 1996, at 5:45 a.m. Kash was again asked about his> previously mistaken `out-of-body' belief. He still insisted> that it is impossible to believe that one is within the body —> even after being enlightened by the Great Adi Shakti that> everything is within the Sahasrara!>> In other words, despite his misconception being corrected by the> Great Supreme Spirit, he still could not feel or remember this fact> whenever he entered his own Thousand-Petal Lotus. He still thought> he left his body and went out into the Universe to

the place humans> call the Kingdom of God. According to Kash, it is impossible for> one to know that they are in their own Sahasraras. It is impossible> to feel the Kingdom of God within the human body.>> It is just impossible to comprehend, while being within the> Sahasrara, that this gross physical world exists outside! In> other words, on Earth it is impossible to comprehend the subtle> spiritual Sahasrara within. It is just as difficult within the> Sahasrara to comprehend that this gross physical Earth exists> without.>> On October 9, 1997, at 19.00 p.m. he was asked if the Spiritual> World was as real as this Earth, i.e., was it as tangible as> watching television, talking with his family and all the normal> activities that makes physical life so conscious and real. He> replied that not only is the Kingdom of God really real, just as> this physical world, but

also "better, quieter and more peaceful.">"One of these documents [found at Nag Hammadi] begins with thescribal note in the margin, "The Gospel According to Thomas." And thefirst sentence of that document says, "These are the secret wordswhich the living Jesus taught and which Judas Thomas Didymos wrotedown." And then they start a total of over 110 sayings, eachintroduced by "Jesus said...." . . .Now what is typical about these sayings is that in each instance,these sayings want to say that if you want to understand what Jesussaid, you have to recognize yourself. You have to know yourself, knowwho you are. It begins with a saying about the Kingdom of God, "ifyou seek the Kingdom of God in the sky then the birds will precedeyou. And if you seek it in the sea, then the fish will precede you,but the Kingdom is in you. And if you know yourself then you know theKingdom of God." (The Kingdom of the Father, in

fact, it always saysin the gospel of Thomas. Normally the Kingdom of the Father, not theKingdom of God.) "But if you don't know yourself, you live inpoverty." And poverty is understood as the ignorance of a life in itsphysical existence. Knowledge is understood to be the knowledge ofone's divine origin, of the fact that one has come from the Kingdom.That we are on this earth only in a sojourn....What does it mean really to know oneself? To know oneself is to haveinsight into one's own ultimate divine identity. You can go back tounderstand this to Greek models, which certainly exist. "Knowyourself" is a very old Greek maxim... that is, you have to know thatyour own soul is divine, and then you know that you are immortal,whereas the body is the mortal part of human existence. Now this isradicalized in the Gospel of Thomas into saying that everything thatis experienced physically and through sense perception, everything

inthis world that you can perceive in this way is nothing. It is, atbest, chaos and, at worst, it doesn't even exist in reality. The onlything that really exists is your divine spirit or your divine soul,which is identical in its quality with God himself. And Jesus is theone who teaches that....When one truly knows oneself, one understands that one is divine, butalso one understands that one is mortal. In such a way, you recognizethat this mortality is really meaningless, as physical existence ismeaningless. And therefore, death is no longer a problem, but deathis a solution, because in death finally all this mortality will fallaway, and the true self will be liberated to an independent existencethat's no longer dependent on physical existence. And on everythingthat goes with physical existence, sickness and poverty and so on.And so physical existence is often described as poverty. But when youknow yourself you are no

longer in poverty." Helmut Koester, PBS and WGBH/FRONTLINE, 1998(Helmut Koester: John H. Morison Professor of New Testament Studiesand Winn Professor of Ecclesiastical History Harvard Divinity School)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

 

 

 

 

 

“So the fear of death is another nonsense people has. First time when I started my work, everywhere they asked me what about death? I said, just now you're living why are you asking what about death? So many people ask me question what about death, why do you want to know? I'll tell you about today, just now.So there's another mad idea that we should know about our death what's going to happen and whatever happen. Once you are dead you are finished, you don't have to do anything after that. So what is the use of knowing when you will die, what will happen to you, whatever has to happen will happen. We never ask when we sleep what will happen to me,

do we? But this is permanent sleep and we worry so much about it that we should know what will happen after death. One has to die at the time whenever one has to die. Because whatever is born has to be dead. But you do know that you have got eternal life, you can never die.Death is not this body disappearing, death is where you are absolutely without any control of your soul life. Once you are a realized soul you have all the control, all the powers, take your soul wherever you feel like, to be born if you like, if you don't like you will not be born. To be born with the people in the families, in the communities wherever you like.There are many great souls, I know, that have taken birth daringlyinto societies which are very much I should say are in danger of getting destroyed because of stupidity they do.So this happening that we are afraid of death is absolutely absurd for Sahaja Yogis. What is there to think even about your death. Thereis nothing

like death for you, because you have got eternal life. Itis not that you continue with your same body, you may go on changingyour dress. But you are living, you are aware and you know. Even ifthis body is not there, you will be there, all the time, available for Sahaja Yoga for anything that is to be done in the name of reality. So you must know your position as eternal being, what is your work, what is your idea, what you have to do.So one has to get rid of this idea of death, because death doesn'texist for you, it's finished. Moreover all such people who are afraidof their death go on having insurances, this, that, all headaches yousee. And ultimately what happens, all these worldly things we leavehere and depart. There is, I don't think, anybody could carry even alittle dust with that soul which is departing.But in your case, when you people are no more on this earth socalled. Then you don't carry all this material thing,

because you'vealready given up, you have no interest in them. You're not materialistic. So your spirit is free and when you die is a verysimple thing that you feel very liberated, absolutely. And then youfeel your freedom, completely. And you can decide what you want todo. It's all under your own guidance, your own desire, everythingworks out. You don't feel that you have come out of your body, andthis is what should tell you that there should be no fear of death,but on the contrary it should be welcomed. Because you will feel muchmore liberated, much more at ease. You don't have other problems that you have to in any case carry on in this world so called because ofyour body. Now see, I have to take some medicines, I have to takesome vitamins, don't have to take anything. Don't need anything. Thisbody finished is a very good idea.So troublesome it is you see, all the time. Despite the fact you maysay that I don't care for this

body and all that. But this body won'tleave you. It's the most sticky thing we have is our body. So toforget about death should be the easiest thing for you!”Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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To all on Christmas Eve,

 

i came across an article today and reflected on it's deep spiritual

truth:

 

 

" Self-realization, a fact of experience

 

Enunciation of the nature of the Atman (soul, Self) forms the

central theme of the Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads. A common

feature of their approach is that this abstract spiritual knowledge

is conveyed through a dialogue between the Guru (preceptor) and the

Sishya (syudent). In the Bhagavad Gita for instance, the teaching

unfolded in the battlefield when Arjuna expressed his despondency to

Lord Krishna. The Lord who had till then been his charioteer assumed

the role of his teacher.

 

In the second chapter is the Lord's teaching of the nature of the

Atman to convince Arjuna about its eternal nature so that he would

not grieve over death which was inevitable in the war. The Lord

pointed out to him, " There is no permanent existence for the

destructible bodies. The soul, on the contrary never ceases to be. "

Only the wise understands the real nature of these two. Understand

that the soul which pervades, penetrates and comprehends is

imperishable and not being liable to destruction, nothing can cause

its destruction. "

 

In his lecture on the Bhagavad Gita Swami Paramarthananda said that

consciousness was intrinsic to the soul and it was external and

could exist independently of matter. This is a very important

feature of Vedanta which holds consciousness as the basis of

existence. This is opposed to the predominant view of science which

postulates matter as the fundamental principle and consciousness as

adventitious to matter. So according to Vedanta matter is only a

temporary phenomena.

 

Consciousness is always the experiencer and cannot become the object

of experience. Further it is not subject to growth and decay; and is

not a doer (akarta) or an enjoyer (abhokta). So it can never be

touched by Karma. Birth and death which take place according to the

dictates of Karma thus does not afflict the soul.

 

This is the reason why the Lord has said that it was only a wise

person (Jnani) who could truly know the nature of the Self. What is

the Jnani's understanding? He has the knowledge of the Atman as the

eternal consciousness which is indestructible, changeless, birthless

and decayless. This knowledge takes place in two stages.

 

When the student learns this from his teacher he first identifies

himself with his mind and body and is under the assumption that he

has an Atman which is eternal, unlike his body. By internalizing

this knowledge through constant meditation the student identifies

himself with the Self and understands that his body is adventitious

to it, which is the result of Self-realization. The whole process is

not just verbalization but a fact of experience. " (Pragati, Vol.21,

No.12 - Dec. 2005)

 

 

ad•ven•ti•tious

 

1. Arising from an external source or occurring in an unusual place

or manner; extrinsic.

2. Occurring accidentally or spontaneously, not caused by heredity.

3. Adventitial.

 

Source: The American Heritage® Stedman's Medical Dictionary

2002, 2001, 1995 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published

by Houghton Mifflin Company.

 

 

Main Entry: ad•ven•ti•tious

 

1 a : arising sporadically or in other than the usual location <an

adventitious part in embryonic development> b : occurring

spontaneously or accidentally in a country or region to which it is

not native <an adventitious insect>

2 : ADVENTITIAL

3 : not congenital <adventitious deafness> —ad•ven•ti•tious•ly

adverb

 

Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-

Webster, Inc.

 

 

 

The more I read the article the more it made me realize that Self-

realization is a subject extremely difficult to understand. It takes

time to realize the Atman as the eternal consciousness which is

indestructible, changeless, birthless and decayless. This knowledge

takes place in two stages.

 

From the physical Shri Mataji we learnt to identify ourselves with

our mind and body, still under the assumption that we have an Atman

which is eternal, unlike our bodies. By internalizing this knowledge

through the Sahasrara where She resides the Divine Mother directs us

to identify ourselves with the Self and understand that this body

is adventitious to it. The whole process of Self-realization is not

just verbalization but a fact of inner experience.

 

We can truly learn from those who have experienced both their

physical and spiritual self. The spiritual self within our physical

bodies is indeed made up of consciousness. Matter (physical body) is

only a temporary phenomena whereas consciousness (the soul) is

eternal. Kash, Arwin and Lalita have experienced thousands of times

that we are eternal souls (consciousness) living in a physical body

(matter). (Those SYs who cannot understand should not protest in

ignorance because Vedanta not only supports such experiences but

enable us to comprehend better this really difficult subject.)

 

Consciousness is indeed intrinsic to the soul and it is external and

can exist independently of matter. This is a very important feature

of Vedanta which holds consciousness as the basis of existence. This

is opposed to the predominant view of science which postulates

matter as the fundamental principle and consciousness as

adventitious to matter.

 

On this Christmas eve may this central teaching of the Sanatana

Dharma enlighten all. If you want to understand what Jesus said, you

have to recognize yourself. You have to know yourself, know who you

are. It begins with a saying about the Kingdom of God, " if you seek

the Kingdom of God in the sky then the birds will precede you. And

if you seek it in the sea, then the fish will precede you, but the

Kingdom is in you. And if you know yourself then you know the

Kingdom of God. " " But if you don't know yourself, you live in

poverty. " And poverty is understood as the ignorance of a life in

its physical existence. Knowledge is understood to be the knowledge

of one's divine origin, of the fact that one has come from the

Kingdom. We are on this earth only in a sojourn. Learn from the

Divine Mother that all Holy Scriptures, religions and messengers

urge us to attain Self-realization. The preachers in churches,

mosques, synagogues, temples and gurdwaras have no idea what it is

all about.

 

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays,

 

 

jagbir

 

 

 

 

 

>

> " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org>

> Sun Jul 25, 2004 9:51 am

> Secret taught by living Jesus: " If you know yourself

> then you know the Kingdom of God. "

>

> shriadishakti , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org> wrote:

> >

> > On December 9, 1996, at 5:45 a.m. Kash was again asked about his

> > previously mistaken `out-of-body' belief. He still insisted

> > that it is impossible to believe that one is within the body —

> > even after being enlightened by the Great Adi Shakti that

> > everything is within the Sahasrara!

> >

> > In other words, despite his misconception being corrected by the

> > Great Supreme Spirit, he still could not feel or remember this

> > fact whenever he entered his own Thousand-Petal Lotus. He still

> > thought he left his body and went out into the Universe to the

> > place humans call the Kingdom of God. According to Kash, it is

> > impossible for one to know that they are in their own

> > Sahasraras. It is impossible to feel the Kingdom of God within

> > the human body.

> >

> > It is just impossible to comprehend, while being within the

> > Sahasrara, that this gross physical world exists outside! In

> > other words, on Earth it is impossible to comprehend the subtle

> > spiritual Sahasrara within. It is just as difficult within the

> > Sahasrara to comprehend that this gross physical Earth exists

> > without.

> >

> > On October 9, 1997, at 19.00 p.m. he was asked if the Spiritual

> > World was as real as this Earth, i.e., was it as tangible as

> > watching television, talking with his family and all the normal

> > activities that makes physical life so conscious and real. He

> > replied that not only is the Kingdom of God really real, just as

> > this physical world, but also " better, quieter and more

> > peaceful. "

> >

>

>

>

> " One of these documents [found at Nag Hammadi] begins with the

> scribal note in the margin, " The Gospel According to Thomas. " And

> the first sentence of that document says, " These are the secret

> words which the living Jesus taught and which Judas Thomas Didymos

> wrote down. " And then they start a total of over 110 sayings, each

> introduced by " Jesus said.... " . . .

>

> Now what is typical about these sayings is that in each instance,

> these sayings want to say that if you want to understand what Jesus

> said, you have to recognize yourself. You have to know yourself,

> know who you are. It begins with a saying about the Kingdom of God,

> " if you seek the Kingdom of God in the sky then the birds will

> precede you. And if you seek it in the sea, then the fish will

> precede you, but the Kingdom is in you. And if you know yourself

> then you know the Kingdom of God. " (The Kingdom of the Father, in

> fact, it always says in the gospel of Thomas. Normally the Kingdom

> of the Father, not the Kingdom of God.) " But if you don't know

> yourself, you live in poverty. " And poverty is understood as the

> ignorance of a life in its physical existence. Knowledge is

> understood to be the knowledge of one's divine origin, of the fact

> that one has come from the Kingdom. That we are on this earth only

> in a sojourn....

>

> What does it mean really to know oneself? To know oneself is to

> have insight into one's own ultimate divine identity. You can go

> back to understand this to Greek models, which certainly

> exist. " Know yourself " is a very old Greek maxim... that is, you

> have to know that your own soul is divine, and then you know that

> you are immortal, whereas the body is the mortal part of human

> existence. Now this is radicalized in the Gospel of Thomas into

> saying that everything that is experienced physically and through

> sense perception, everything in this world that you can perceive

> in this way is nothing. It is, at best, chaos and, at worst, it

> doesn't even exist in reality. The only thing that really exists

> is your divine spirit or your divine soul, which is identical in

> its quality with God himself. And Jesus is the one who teaches

> that....

>

> When one truly knows oneself, one understands that one is divine,

> but also one understands that one is mortal. In such a way, you

> recognize that this mortality is really meaningless, as physical

> existence is meaningless. And therefore, death is no longer a

> problem, but death is a solution, because in death finally all

> this mortality will fall away, and the true self will be liberated

> to an independent existence that's no longer dependent on physical

> existence. And on everything that goes with physical existence,

> sickness and poverty and so on. And so physical existence is often

> described as poverty. But when you know yourself you are no longer

> in poverty. "

>

> Helmut Koester, PBS and WGBH/FRONTLINE, 1998

> (Helmut Koester: John H. Morison Professor of New Testament Studies

> and Winn Professor of Ecclesiastical History Harvard Divinity

> School)

>

>

>

 

 

" So the fear of death is another nonsense people has. First time

when I started my work, everywhere they asked me what about death? I

said, just now you're living why are you asking what about death? So

many people ask me question what about death, why do you want to

know? I'll tell you about today, just now.

 

So there's another mad idea that we should know about our death

what's going to happen and whatever happen. Once you are dead you

are finished, you don't have to do anything after that. So what is

the use of knowing when you will die, what will happen to you,

whatever has to happen will happen. We never ask when we sleep what

will happen to me, do we? But this is permanent sleep and we worry

so much about it that we should know what will happen after death.

One has to die at the time whenever one has to die. Because whatever

is born has to be dead. But you do know that you have got eternal

life, you can never die.

 

Death is not this body disappearing, death is where you are

absolutely without any control of your soul life. Once you are a

realized soul you have all the control, all the powers, take your

soul wherever you feel like, to be born if you like, if you don't

like you will not be born. To be born with the people in the

families, in the communities wherever you like.

 

There are many great souls, I know, that have taken birth daringly

into societies which are very much I should say are in danger of

getting destroyed because of stupidity they do.

 

So this happening that we are afraid of death is absolutely absurd

for Sahaja Yogis. What is there to think even about your death. There

is nothing like death for you, because you have got eternal life. It

is not that you continue with your same body, you may go on changing

your dress. But you are living, you are aware and you know. Even if

this body is not there, you will be there, all the time, available

for Sahaja Yoga for anything that is to be done in the name of

reality. So you must know your position as eternal being, what is

your work, what is your idea, what you have to do.

 

So one has to get rid of this idea of death, because death doesn't

exist for you, it's finished. Moreover all such people who are afraid

of their death go on having insurances, this, that, all headaches you

see. And ultimately what happens, all these worldly things we leave

here and depart. There is, I don't think, anybody could carry even a

little dust with that soul which is departing.

 

But in your case, when you people are no more on this earth so

called. Then you don't carry all this material thing, because you've

already given up, you have no interest in them. You're not

materialistic. So your spirit is free and when you die is a very

simple thing that you feel very liberated, absolutely. And then you

feel your freedom, completely. And you can decide what you want to

do. It's all under your own guidance, your own desire, everything

works out. You don't feel that you have come out of your body, and

this is what should tell you that there should be no fear of death,

but on the contrary it should be welcomed. Because you will feel much

more liberated, much more at ease. You don't have other problems

that you have to in any case carry on in this world so called

because of your body. Now see, I have to take some medicines, I have

to take some vitamins, don't have to take anything. Don't need

anything. This body finished is a very good idea.

 

So troublesome it is you see, all the time. Despite the fact you may

say that I don't care for this body and all that. But this body won't

leave you. It's the most sticky thing we have is our body. So to

forget about death should be the easiest thing for you! "

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

[Guest guest]

>

> In his lecture on the Bhagavad Gita Swami Paramarthananda said

> that consciousness was intrinsic to the soul and it was external

> and could exist independently of matter. This is a very important

> feature of Vedanta which holds consciousness as the basis of

> existence. This is opposed to the predominant view of science

> which postulates matter as the fundamental principle and

> consciousness as adventitious to matter. So according to Vedanta

> matter is only a temporary phenomena.

>

> Consciousness is always the experiencer and cannot become the

> object of experience. Further it is not subject to growth and

> decay; and is not a doer (akarta) or an enjoyer (abhokta). So it

> can never be touched by Karma. Birth and death which take place

> according to the dictates of Karma thus does not afflict the soul.

>

 

Those who are desirous of understanding this deep spiritual

knowledge must buy the " Upanishad Amrut " , a 2 CD collection that is

priceless.

 

" " Upanishad Amrut " : 2 CD set. Hindi/English version.

 

'Upanishad Amrut' (Amrut means Nectar) is a distillation of the

essence embedded in the deeply spiritual thinking underlying

the 'Vedas'. The album contains recitations of shlokas (hymns) from

ten of the Upanishads in Sanskrit. Shankar Mahadevan and Dewaki

Pandit have rendered the recitations, put to music by the Santoor

maestro, Pandit Shivkumar Sharma. After each shloka recitation, the

underlying philosophy and meaning is explained by his Holiness Swami

Chidanandji Maharaj, President of the Divine Life Society. His

explanations have been presented in two versions, Hindi and English,

to capture a wider audience. Musical accompanists: Pandit Bhawani

Shankar - Pakhawaj, Dhruba Ghosh - Sarangi, Rakesh Chaurasia -

Flute, Indrajit Kumar Sharma - Keyboard.

Features:

 

VOLUME 1 - Total Duration 53:34 min

 

Asato ma sada gamaya

 

Isavasyam idam sarvam

 

Yan manasa na manute yena

 

Uttishthata jagrata prapya

 

Sa yathema nadayah

 

Nayam-atma bala-hinena

 

VOLUME 2 - Total Duration 44:55 min

 

Nantah-prajanam na bahis-prajanam

 

Yato vacho nivartante

 

Esa Brahmaisa Indra esa Prajapatirete

 

Sa ya esho nima aitadatmyam

 

Brahma va idamagara "

 

http://www.sonarupa.co.uk/itm00418.htm

 

 

i did recommend these double CDs a year or two ago but now, after

having read the post below, am convinced are indispensible for those

who want to attain the much deeper and difficult knowledge of Self-

realization. Just get hold of these two CDs and listen to them for

the rest of your lives because Self-realization is much more than

what SYs generally understand. It is only when you know the nature

of Consciousness (Shakti within) will you truly, over many years,

slowly discover and realize your own divine nature too. It is very

difficult to sustain daily attention on the Spirit and that is why

regular listening of this excellent CD, with fantastic music to

match, is necessary. Please buy this CD and i guarantee you will

benefit in mind, body and soul. Pleeeeaaassseeee purchase it at any

cost because only if you know yourself will you know the Kingdom of

God (Brahman/Shakti in Sahasrara) within.

 

Jai Shri Mataji,

 

 

 

jagbir

 

 

 

, " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

>

>

> To all on Christmas Eve,

>

> i came across an article today and reflected on it's deep

spiritual

> truth:

>

>

> " Self-realization, a fact of experience

>

> Enunciation of the nature of the Atman (soul, Self) forms the

> central theme of the Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads. A common

> feature of their approach is that this abstract spiritual

knowledge

> is conveyed through a dialogue between the Guru (preceptor) and

the

> Sishya (syudent). In the Bhagavad Gita for instance, the teaching

> unfolded in the battlefield when Arjuna expressed his despondency

to

> Lord Krishna. The Lord who had till then been his charioteer

assumed

> the role of his teacher.

>

> In the second chapter is the Lord's teaching of the nature of the

> Atman to convince Arjuna about its eternal nature so that he would

> not grieve over death which was inevitable in the war. The Lord

> pointed out to him, " There is no permanent existence for the

> destructible bodies. The soul, on the contrary never ceases to

be. "

> Only the wise understands the real nature of these two. Understand

> that the soul which pervades, penetrates and comprehends is

> imperishable and not being liable to destruction, nothing can

cause

> its destruction. "

>

> In his lecture on the Bhagavad Gita Swami Paramarthananda said

that

> consciousness was intrinsic to the soul and it was external and

> could exist independently of matter. This is a very important

> feature of Vedanta which holds consciousness as the basis of

> existence. This is opposed to the predominant view of science

which

> postulates matter as the fundamental principle and consciousness

as

> adventitious to matter. So according to Vedanta matter is only a

> temporary phenomena.

>

> Consciousness is always the experiencer and cannot become the

object

> of experience. Further it is not subject to growth and decay; and

is

> not a doer (akarta) or an enjoyer (abhokta). So it can never be

> touched by Karma. Birth and death which take place according to

the

> dictates of Karma thus does not afflict the soul.

>

> This is the reason why the Lord has said that it was only a wise

> person (Jnani) who could truly know the nature of the Self. What

is

> the Jnani's understanding? He has the knowledge of the Atman as

the

> eternal consciousness which is indestructible, changeless,

birthless

> and decayless. This knowledge takes place in two stages.

>

> When the student learns this from his teacher he first identifies

> himself with his mind and body and is under the assumption that he

> has an Atman which is eternal, unlike his body. By internalizing

> this knowledge through constant meditation the student identifies

> himself with the Self and understands that his body is

adventitious

> to it, which is the result of Self-realization. The whole process

is

> not just verbalization but a fact of experience. " (Pragati,

Vol.21,

> No.12 - Dec. 2005)

>

>

> ad•ven•ti•tious

>

> 1. Arising from an external source or occurring in an unusual

place

> or manner; extrinsic.

> 2. Occurring accidentally or spontaneously, not caused by

heredity.

> 3. Adventitial.

>

> Source: The American Heritage® Stedman's Medical Dictionary

> 2002, 2001, 1995 by Houghton Mifflin Company.

Published

> by Houghton Mifflin Company.

>

>

> Main Entry: ad•ven•ti•tious

>

> 1 a : arising sporadically or in other than the usual location <an

> adventitious part in embryonic development> b : occurring

> spontaneously or accidentally in a country or region to which it

is

> not native <an adventitious insect>

> 2 : ADVENTITIAL

> 3 : not congenital <adventitious deafness> —ad•ven•ti•tious•ly

> adverb

>

> Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-

> Webster, Inc.

>

>

>

> The more I read the article the more it made me realize that Self-

> realization is a subject extremely difficult to understand. It

takes

> time to realize the Atman as the eternal consciousness which is

> indestructible, changeless, birthless and decayless. This

knowledge

> takes place in two stages.

>

> From the physical Shri Mataji we learnt to identify ourselves with

> our mind and body, still under the assumption that we have an

Atman

> which is eternal, unlike our bodies. By internalizing this

knowledge

> through the Sahasrara where She resides the Divine Mother directs

us

> to identify ourselves with the Self and understand that this body

> is adventitious to it. The whole process of Self-realization is

not

> just verbalization but a fact of inner experience.

>

> We can truly learn from those who have experienced both their

> physical and spiritual self. The spiritual self within our

physical

> bodies is indeed made up of consciousness. Matter (physical body)

is

> only a temporary phenomena whereas consciousness (the soul) is

> eternal. Kash, Arwin and Lalita have experienced thousands of

times

> that we are eternal souls (consciousness) living in a physical

body

> (matter). (Those SYs who cannot understand should not protest in

> ignorance because Vedanta not only supports such experiences but

> enable us to comprehend better this really difficult subject.)

>

> Consciousness is indeed intrinsic to the soul and it is external

and

> can exist independently of matter. This is a very important

feature

> of Vedanta which holds consciousness as the basis of existence.

This

> is opposed to the predominant view of science which postulates

> matter as the fundamental principle and consciousness as

> adventitious to matter.

>

> On this Christmas eve may this central teaching of the Sanatana

> Dharma enlighten all. If you want to understand what Jesus said,

you

> have to recognize yourself. You have to know yourself, know who

you

> are. It begins with a saying about the Kingdom of God, " if you

seek

> the Kingdom of God in the sky then the birds will precede you. And

> if you seek it in the sea, then the fish will precede you, but the

> Kingdom is in you. And if you know yourself then you know the

> Kingdom of God. " " But if you don't know yourself, you live in

> poverty. " And poverty is understood as the ignorance of a life in

> its physical existence. Knowledge is understood to be the

knowledge

> of one's divine origin, of the fact that one has come from the

> Kingdom. We are on this earth only in a sojourn. Learn from the

> Divine Mother that all Holy Scriptures, religions and messengers

> urge us to attain Self-realization. The preachers in churches,

> mosques, synagogues, temples and gurdwaras have no idea what it is

> all about.

>

> Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays,

>

>

> jagbir

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org>

> > Sun Jul 25, 2004 9:51 am

> > Secret taught by living Jesus: " If you know yourself

> > then you know the Kingdom of God. "

> >

> > shriadishakti , " jagbir singh "

> > <adishakti_org> wrote:

> > >

> > > On December 9, 1996, at 5:45 a.m. Kash was again asked about

his

> > > previously mistaken `out-of-body' belief. He still insisted

> > > that it is impossible to believe that one is within the body —

> > > even after being enlightened by the Great Adi Shakti that

> > > everything is within the Sahasrara!

> > >

> > > In other words, despite his misconception being corrected by

the

> > > Great Supreme Spirit, he still could not feel or remember this

> > > fact whenever he entered his own Thousand-Petal Lotus. He

still

> > > thought he left his body and went out into the Universe to the

> > > place humans call the Kingdom of God. According to Kash, it is

> > > impossible for one to know that they are in their own

> > > Sahasraras. It is impossible to feel the Kingdom of God within

> > > the human body.

> > >

> > > It is just impossible to comprehend, while being within the

> > > Sahasrara, that this gross physical world exists outside! In

> > > other words, on Earth it is impossible to comprehend the subtle

> > > spiritual Sahasrara within. It is just as difficult within the

> > > Sahasrara to comprehend that this gross physical Earth exists

> > > without.

> > >

> > > On October 9, 1997, at 19.00 p.m. he was asked if the Spiritual

> > > World was as real as this Earth, i.e., was it as tangible as

> > > watching television, talking with his family and all the normal

> > > activities that makes physical life so conscious and real. He

> > > replied that not only is the Kingdom of God really real, just

as

> > > this physical world, but also " better, quieter and more

> > > peaceful. "

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > " One of these documents [found at Nag Hammadi] begins with the

> > scribal note in the margin, " The Gospel According to Thomas. "

And

> > the first sentence of that document says, " These are the secret

> > words which the living Jesus taught and which Judas Thomas

Didymos

> > wrote down. " And then they start a total of over 110 sayings,

each

> > introduced by " Jesus said.... " . . .

> >

> > Now what is typical about these sayings is that in each instance,

> > these sayings want to say that if you want to understand what

Jesus

> > said, you have to recognize yourself. You have to know yourself,

> > know who you are. It begins with a saying about the Kingdom of

God,

> > " if you seek the Kingdom of God in the sky then the birds will

> > precede you. And if you seek it in the sea, then the fish will

> > precede you, but the Kingdom is in you. And if you know yourself

> > then you know the Kingdom of God. " (The Kingdom of the Father,

in

> > fact, it always says in the gospel of Thomas. Normally the

Kingdom

> > of the Father, not the Kingdom of God.) " But if you don't know

> > yourself, you live in poverty. " And poverty is understood as the

> > ignorance of a life in its physical existence. Knowledge is

> > understood to be the knowledge of one's divine origin, of the

fact

> > that one has come from the Kingdom. That we are on this earth

only

> > in a sojourn....

> >

> > What does it mean really to know oneself? To know oneself is to

> > have insight into one's own ultimate divine identity. You can go

> > back to understand this to Greek models, which certainly

> > exist. " Know yourself " is a very old Greek maxim... that is, you

> > have to know that your own soul is divine, and then you know

that

> > you are immortal, whereas the body is the mortal part of human

> > existence. Now this is radicalized in the Gospel of Thomas into

> > saying that everything that is experienced physically and

through

> > sense perception, everything in this world that you can perceive

> > in this way is nothing. It is, at best, chaos and, at worst, it

> > doesn't even exist in reality. The only thing that really exists

> > is your divine spirit or your divine soul, which is identical in

> > its quality with God himself. And Jesus is the one who teaches

> > that....

> >

> > When one truly knows oneself, one understands that one is

divine,

> > but also one understands that one is mortal. In such a way, you

> > recognize that this mortality is really meaningless, as physical

> > existence is meaningless. And therefore, death is no longer a

> > problem, but death is a solution, because in death finally all

> > this mortality will fall away, and the true self will be

liberated

> > to an independent existence that's no longer dependent on

physical

> > existence. And on everything that goes with physical existence,

> > sickness and poverty and so on. And so physical existence is

often

> > described as poverty. But when you know yourself you are no

longer

> > in poverty. "

> >

> > Helmut Koester, PBS and WGBH/FRONTLINE, 1998

> > (Helmut Koester: John H. Morison Professor of New Testament

Studies

> > and Winn Professor of Ecclesiastical History Harvard Divinity

> > School)

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> " So the fear of death is another nonsense people has. First time

> when I started my work, everywhere they asked me what about death?

I

> said, just now you're living why are you asking what about death?

So

> many people ask me question what about death, why do you want to

> know? I'll tell you about today, just now.

>

> So there's another mad idea that we should know about our death

> what's going to happen and whatever happen. Once you are dead you

> are finished, you don't have to do anything after that. So what is

> the use of knowing when you will die, what will happen to you,

> whatever has to happen will happen. We never ask when we sleep

what

> will happen to me, do we? But this is permanent sleep and we worry

> so much about it that we should know what will happen after death.

> One has to die at the time whenever one has to die. Because

whatever

> is born has to be dead. But you do know that you have got eternal

> life, you can never die.

>

> Death is not this body disappearing, death is where you are

> absolutely without any control of your soul life. Once you are a

> realized soul you have all the control, all the powers, take your

> soul wherever you feel like, to be born if you like, if you don't

> like you will not be born. To be born with the people in the

> families, in the communities wherever you like.

>

> There are many great souls, I know, that have taken birth daringly

> into societies which are very much I should say are in danger of

> getting destroyed because of stupidity they do.

>

> So this happening that we are afraid of death is absolutely absurd

> for Sahaja Yogis. What is there to think even about your death.

There

> is nothing like death for you, because you have got eternal life.

It

> is not that you continue with your same body, you may go on

changing

> your dress. But you are living, you are aware and you know. Even if

> this body is not there, you will be there, all the time, available

> for Sahaja Yoga for anything that is to be done in the name of

> reality. So you must know your position as eternal being, what is

> your work, what is your idea, what you have to do.

>

> So one has to get rid of this idea of death, because death doesn't

> exist for you, it's finished. Moreover all such people who are

afraid

> of their death go on having insurances, this, that, all headaches

you

> see. And ultimately what happens, all these worldly things we leave

> here and depart. There is, I don't think, anybody could carry even

a

> little dust with that soul which is departing.

>

> But in your case, when you people are no more on this earth so

> called. Then you don't carry all this material thing, because

you've

> already given up, you have no interest in them. You're not

> materialistic. So your spirit is free and when you die is a very

> simple thing that you feel very liberated, absolutely. And then you

> feel your freedom, completely. And you can decide what you want to

> do. It's all under your own guidance, your own desire, everything

> works out. You don't feel that you have come out of your body, and

> this is what should tell you that there should be no fear of death,

> but on the contrary it should be welcomed. Because you will feel

much

> more liberated, much more at ease. You don't have other problems

> that you have to in any case carry on in this world so called

> because of your body. Now see, I have to take some medicines, I

have

> to take some vitamins, don't have to take anything. Don't need

> anything. This body finished is a very good idea.

>

> So troublesome it is you see, all the time. Despite the fact you

may

> say that I don't care for this body and all that. But this body

won't

> leave you. It's the most sticky thing we have is our body. So to

> forget about death should be the easiest thing for you! "

>

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

>