Being thoughtless - is it a matter of practice, will-power and meditation?

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shriadishakti , alex arthur <dude11976>

wrote:

>

> A question to both you and Jagbir, I'm just a little

> curious here, are you able to maintain the witness

> state even during a conversation with someone. Do both

> of you have full time jobs that involve meeting

> people, thinking and processing data? How do you do

> it, is it a matter of practice, will-power and

> mediatation? Do you maintain the witness state even

> during sleep? Please give me some pointers. I often

> fall asleep trying to be aware and conscious, but i

> soon drift into a dream.

>

>

 

Dear Alex,

 

There is a difference between witnessing and thoughtless awareness. i

believe being a witness is a conscious effort to bear the unpleasant.

Being thoughtless is a witness who does not experience the unpleasant

despite being aware.

 

Maybe it is a lack of clarification but i have never been thoughtless

for hours as thoughts, mostly useless reflections of the reacting

ego, still come. However, by consciously reducing the number of

thoughts, i manage to progressively increase the number of

thoughtless minutes per hour. This is never constant because you are

bound to get up on the wrong side of the bed or get a bad hair day.

The thoughtless state is a marathon taking years. So learn to take a

deserved rest and enjoy the view.

 

Being thoughtless is, as you questioned, a matter of meditation,

practice, will-power ............. in that order of importance. You

may want to add certain techniques as the fourth.

 

It is now routine, for me at least, to be thoughtless when talking.

You may makes 'mistakes' in the beginning like repeating answers or

giving winding answers etc. After some time your mind will adapt to

less thinking and settle down.

 

i think this is not difficult to be thoughtlessly aware if you begin

to practice certain techniques regularly. One way to increase the

thoughtless state is to maintain/practice it while traveling/driving

over long distances, watching television or reading. Highly

recommended! However the real test comes when some serious problems

arise. It is not easy to be thoughtless then. But don't be

disappointed because being thoughtless for hours is very difficult,

almost impossible for us humans who are faced with the stress and

problems of existence.

 

Alex, you should not worry about being thoughtlessly asleep. Your

awakened state will sooner or later reflect on your sleeping state,

and dreams will become progressively less. i think this should be the

least of any concern.

 

i do not have a job that involves meeting people but setting up,

maintaining and improving the websites does involve a lot of data

processing. And religious issues being so sensitive and contentious,

there is no room for error. Religious fundamentalists will attack you

the very instant they spot any error. The only refuge is the

thoughtless state.

 

i remember the swiftness of their reaction when i first uploaded

www.al-qiyamah.org. Muslims became incensed about the issue whether

Prophet Muhammad was the last prophet or not. Immediately they warned

others that this was a deviant website insulting Islam. One even

accused me of belonging to the Ahmadhiya sect.

 

The problem was i had no way of circumventing this highly emotional

issue of 'seal of the prophets'. How to endorse Shri Mataji's advent

when the last prophet excludes all others after prophet Muhammad?

These Muslims were just looking for a single webpage to invalidate

the remaining hundreds. If an answer was not found fast the www.al-

qiyamah.org website was going to be the cause of an ever-increasing

chorus of protests and anger, maybe even threats.

 

The only way was to seek answers in the thoughtless state. It lead me

to specific passages in the Qur'an that had me shaking my head in

disbelief, awe and triumphant jubilation - now there would be no way

that Muslims could deny Shri Mataji.

 

i deleted the contentious page and uploaded information of the newly

found facts. The results were almost instantaneous. All warnings were

removed from the internet and the critics were silenced ....... ever

since. That is the power of the thoughtless state!

 

 

jagbir

 

NOTE: A word of caution here. If your work requires critical

analysis/problem solving then please THINK. i do not want anyone to

lose a job or be reprimanded due to a lack of awareness. Take care

and time to master the thoughtless state. The ego is as addicted to

thoughts as a junkie in Vancouver is to heroin. So far i have never

heard anyone going cold turkey because it is impossible to do so.

Initial attempts may cause unpleasant withdrawal side-effects. But

there is nothing like an addict escaping the ceaseless chatter of

life's Hotel California, and attaining enlightenment. So just take it

easy on your journey to the Other Shore.