All speeches of Shri Mataji are available to all

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shriadishakti , alex arthur <dude11976>

wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> I completely agree with you. The divine does not

> indeed manifest itself in lemons and chilies. 24 hours

> of foot soaking everyday day wouldn't help

> either...yes, you are right. My only contention is

> that if you have so much faith in the divine, then why

> hide the speeches of the divine mother because some

> sahajist told you to!

>

> I'm very keen on getting hold of the speeches before

> 1980. On a tape i was listening to quite recently,

> Mataji has said that we must read those speeches in

> particular. However, in the past few years, sahajists

> have ensured that no information about Sahaja reaches

> 'newcomers' easily. I've come across many people who,

> in two years still have no clue about common Sahaj

> cures. Those who know it, don't tell others because of

> some unsaid norm. Why this hypocrisy? Further, if you

> are on the other end of the spectrum that you want to

> tell people upfront that she is the Adishakti, then

> why are you subscribing to their views? Its a shame

> that you are sitting on all that information. More

> than that its incomprehensible. You are the last

> person I'd imagine who wants to win a popularity

> contest by obeying them.

>

> Even books like Dr. H.S. Sharmas on treatments are not

> made available any more. I did manage to get hold of

> one set from an obscure bookshop in Cannought Place.

> It cost me 600 bucks, was in three volumes, each a

> repition of the previous one, with the only

> significant change being that each had one-third of

> the cures!! Is this a money making racket or stairway

> to the divine??

>

>

 

Alex,

 

You are wrong on this. All speeches of Shri Mataji are available -

ALL OF THEM! Most countries have annual sets of all puja talks,

lectures and other advise given by Shri Mataji. Many SYs have

personal copies of tapes and written texts of talks available as i

have been to a number of SY homes. There was never a time when they

told me that i could not borrow any material. That SYs ensure

information about Shri Mataji does not reach newcomers is simply not

true.

 

Just go to your local/national collective and request that you want

to read the lectures of Shri Mataji. Maybe visit some homes where

such material is available.

 

i also do not know why you are crying over 600 rupees to buy three

books. Did SYs charge you that much? Is that too much to pay for a

private bookstore stocking material unavailable elsewhere? You could

have easily borrowed it from some SY if you had just waited, instead

of rushing to absorb as much available information in a short time. i

know you are unemployed but that that does not justify your apparent

misgivings. Anyway, Dr. H.S. Sharma's books on treatments were the

earliest available information before the advent of the Internet.

They are bound to go out of print as modern technology makes such

knowledge easily available for free.

 

As far as sharing the database i still cannot go back on my word. How

will you feel if i broke your trust? Moreover, since all material is

available, i do not see any reason for you to think i am sitting on a

treasure trove of enlightenment not available to others ..........

and selflessly refusing to share.

 

i also am very keen to get my hands on speeches before the 1980s

because so little is available. Even the database does not have much

to say. i believe Shri Mataji made just a handful of speeches in the

70s that were radical and forthright.

 

Over the years She progressively revealed less and less. i know She

knows far, far more than all Her lectures put together. She has

hardly described anything about Her existence in the Sahasrara.

Neither has She told about the eternal Spirit World where all

liberated souls live. And there is so much more knowledge about the

various prophets and messengers of God that She is extremely intimate

with. i know that this MahaDevi knows infinitely more because all

eternal inhabitants and gods of the Spirit World pay obeisance to,

and meditate on, this Shakti.

 

As She has correctly pointed out human minds are not capable of

absorbing Her knowledge. When SYs do not have the conviction and guts

to openly uphold Shri Mataji as the Adi Shakti and tell humanity Her

message they do not deserve to know more they can absorb. That is why

the Inquisytion was necessary to hunt down heretics and their demonic

children. Would it have been different if She told the same on Her

own?

 

jagbir

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shriadishakti , alex arthur <dude11976>

wrote:

> Hi Jagbir,

>

> Thank you for your reply. I did type a rebuttal but

> then i read through your mail again, you do have a

> point. Im not going to drag this anymore becuase you

> say you dont have any speeches of the 70's. Thats

> actually what I was searching for. What little you do

> have, please do share them whenever you can.

>

> With the Shaktis grace, I did land a job in early

> June. I can swear that it was no doing of mine. When i

> look back now, that six month gap in employment when i

> tried to get into business, was an absolute god send.

> So many physical and psychological problems have been

> solved. The most important thing is that i got the

> answer to the eternal question - what is the purpose

> of life!

>

>

> Best Regards,

> Alex

>

>

 

 

 

SHRI MATAJI EXPLAINS AND TRANSLATES 'JOGAVA':

 

Saint Eknath was from 'Pratishthana', called as 'Paithan' and he is

the one, who has written this " Jogava " , means the Yoga and at that

time he sang this in a very village language and it sung by so many

people all over the Maharastra. You can imagine that this song was

written so many years back and now they have converted into a kind

of a - for Sahaja Yoga - but it is a very - absolutely precisely

described - what they wanted at that time. Now, in the beginning he

says - the Goddess of Maharasthra was called as " BAYA " . You will be

amazed - in my childhood my name was Baya. They use to call me in my

family as Baya. So, he is saying that I will ask Mother to give me

the Yoga. In the villages it is said " Jogava " - again he says -

'Bayecha Jogava'.

 

Now ' ANANDI NIRGUNI' the one which is without any gunas has

manifested this " Bhawani " on this earth, and She has come to kill

this Mahishasura. Also she has come 'Trividh TAPANCHI KARAVAYA

JHADANI' to remove our three types of heating pains and now She is

going to come for our 'Nirvana', that time he had said, he says that

what I will I do when she will come for my 'Nirvana-Dwaitya' - I

have got, means I am thinking about myself as separate from

God. 'Dwaita' is that you think this world is separate from God,

then I will remove this 'Dwaita' and I will put a garland to Her and

in my hand I will take the flag of enlightened knowledge (already he

is describing it) and without any discrimination about cast or

religion or anything I will go to visit Her. Then what I will do,

for nine days I will do nine types of Bhakti of this Goddess and

then I will give up all other asking or anything and I will ask for

a son who is knowledge.

 

Then I will do (this is a lady singing, he sings like a lady) so he

says that this world is full of ego, 'Dambha' is false pride, so I

will give up that kind of bad son. It is the bad son and what will I

do in the 'PARADI' (basket) is the place in which you carry flowers

for the God. In the 'Paradi' I will put complete enlightened

knowledge and all the 'ASHA MANISHANCHA' means all the desires and

all aspirations. I will finish them, completely break

them. 'MANOVIKARA VIKARA KAREEN KURVANDI' all my 'Manovikaras', you

see all the mind, which is so much conditioned; (like they say in

Hindi that you take out the bad eye). So I will take out as that

from my mother earth. 'AMRIT RASACHI BHAREEN ME DHURDI - basket I

will be filling with the 'Amrit Rasa' that is the ambrosia.

 

'AATA SAZANI', (She is telling her friend) O my friend, now I have

become completely detached NISANG and my husband who was a doubt, I

have given up living with that husband of mine, means the doubt has

disappeared from me. Then she says that the 'Kama and Krodha' these

two are 'MANG' is the one, scheduled caste people who burn the

bodies and I have given them up and what ever left I have made my -

I have opened out my tunnel - that is of Sushumna - see now.

Such a Yoga I have asked and kept it with me when I got it. I went

to the great door and I thanked the God Almighty and I have now come

out of this life and death problems.

 

At that time he wrote all this and today you are getting the

results. Just that, so clearly and a lady singing this, we have to

take some vows, something about yourself and about others. We have

to remember one great thing - that we are Yogis now. That too we are

Sahaja Yogis and as Sahaja Yogis, we have to be 'par excellence', in

our behaviour, in our temperament, in our dealing with others,

tackling any situation or getting solution out of some problems. You

have to be of 'par excellence'. Now some of you find that you have

very good brain, I mean - intelligence - but you lack in your heart.

Some of you have got very large heart but you lack in your brains.

 

So the balance must be brought. But the greatest knowledge -

greatest of all the greatest knowledge is to know that GOD IS LOVE.

HE IS LOVE and if you cannot even love a Sahaja Yogi, then also must

know that there is something very wrong in you, which must go out.

The love has to be there and this love is what we call as 'Nirvajya'

means there is no interest on you, just the capital, meaning you

love each other in such a manner that you just give and don't expect

anything. Just give and enjoyment of giving is the highest.

 

I tell you from my experience. To me the greatest joy is when I can

give Realisation, second one is when I can give away things. The

third one could be that I can give it to others. So now, as you are

not the people, who are sitting at the receiving end, but at the

giving end, you must know what you have given to others. On the

contrary, even now, if you just give your tempers, you show your

greed and all kinds of things that does not behaves a Sahaja Yogi,

then, you have to know that there is something still left behind. Or

elseif you are so particular about small things like clothes, like

food, like comforts then know that there is something is missing,

that personality is not full and also remember one sentence

always, " ask a question to your self - Have I fulfilled my destiny? " .

This is one question you should ask, have I fulfilled my destiny?

and that will clarify the situation for you, because now you are a

guru of your own, you know, you understand. You know so much about

Sahaja Yoga mentally. But when it penetrates into your being and the

whole knowledge becomes a part and parcel of your being, then it's a

very different thing.

 

The whole attitude about facing anything is very different for a

realised soul. Like me, I would say - if I see a problem,

immediately I go into meditation, immediately, and the problem is

solved. Because that's my power. In the same way if you see a

problem and if you go into meditation, the problem will be solved by

me. That means in meditation you surrender to me, then it is my job.

But if you start solving it mentally or orally, you will fall into

traps. So, the best thing is, any such problem that bothers you, you

should just go into meditation, don't have to even pray - just go

into meditation with that problem and you will come out victorious.

What today you have been asking me for the victory, I have to tell

you that you are very safe in the fort of your meditative state and

very well in meditation only you can grow, you cannot grow

otherwise. It is like the sunshine for any tree. You have to be in

meditation, in Nirvichara, you don't have to oppose anybody, you

don't have to agree anybody, you don't have to say anything.

Specially for other Yogis, You don't have to say anything. Anybody

whom you find to be funny, just go into meditation and you will be

amazed how things will change, and this is your power. How many

people have got realisation in this world? Very few. They are

growing up - all right, they are working it out. But what is lacking

in them is the Meditative Force.

 

THE BEST WAY IS TO SURRENDER AND THE SURRENDERING IS EASIER. YOU

JUST PUT ME IN YOUR HEART, ALL THE TIME, THE SIMPLEST WAY. THEN YOU

CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT IT. YOU CANNOT EXIST WITHOUT IT. YOU FEEL

COMPLETELY LOST. IT'S KIND OF A VERY DETACHED LOVE. YOU JUST FEEL

ABSOLUTELY RESTED, BLISSFUL, AND CONTENT. THEN YOU DON'T WANT

ANYTHING. THAT IS THE STATE, ONE HAS TO ESTABLISH. IT IS SO EASY FOR

YOU BECAUSE I AM IN PERSON WITH YOU. ONLY PROBLEM THAT IS THERE AS I

TOLD YOU IN SAHAJA YOGA THAT YOU HAVE TO RECOGNISE ME TO BEGIN WITH.

But to recognise me is rather difficult because I am a Mahamaya and

so normally you might come into that mess created by Mahamaya. But

as I told you the other day that you could not have faced me in my

other form. Imagine a person with a sword in the hand sitting on a

lion. Could not have faced it. So I had to be Mahamaya and this is

what it is, that in this form you can come close to me, you can talk

to me, you can also take my advice, if you want. So this counseling

can be done better. I could decode everything to you. I could tell

everything about it. But to KNOW THAT YOU ARE SITTING BEFORE

MAHAMAYA ITSELF IS VERY HELPFUL. So don't get lost into the garb of

Mahamaya. In your protocol, in your understanding, in everything you

have to remember that we should not make mistakes and we should try

to surrender. Automatically you will learn everything. There is

nothing to be taught to you.

 

That state is such - like a tree. When it comes to its full bloom,

it gives flowers and the flowers come to it's own maturity that give

fruits. That is how you are built in. That is how you grow. What

then happens you yourself feel your own growth and enjoy it and just

live happily with it. So ultimately my destiny is one that I should

make you all very happy and joyous. That is my destiny. That is why

all this struggle is going on. I hope I fulfill my destiny and your

destiny too.

 

MAY GOD BLESS YOU

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi