Meditating without a photograph and collective - will i make progress?

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shriadishakti , " Ask Me " <dude11976>

wrote:

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> Do you know of anyone who has experimented meditating without a

> photograph? I found it quite unusual that even at Mataji's puja

> people were looking at their i.d. tags to see the photograph of

> mataji to meditate.

>

> I for one am confused. I stopped using the photograph sometime

> back and i cant say for sure if my meditation is the way it was

> intended to be. There is a regular barrage of thoughts and in a 30

> minute session, i have to pull back from my thoughts at least 5-6

> times. This is distinctly different from the experiences in the

> initial months. i'd appreciate any views on this.

>

> I've moved to Bangalore now. I went through the website and the

> sahaj ashrams are in odd places. i haven't yet gone to any in the

> past few weeks. For now, im meditating at home...again i wonder if

> I'll make any progress this way.

>

>

 

Dear Alex,

 

Almost all SYs meditate with Shri Mataji's photograph as most

believe it gives off vibrations, which it does, and thus necessary

for better meditation. This mindset excludes meditating on the

Shakti within without the help of external images. i tried some

years ago to reason with SYs wishing to meditate in a park that

since the Shakti is within we can do without any image. However no

one believed that and a small pendant of Shri Mataji was placed

amongst the blades of grass. Only then was it convincing that

meditation is possible. That is why the i.d. tag visualization is

necessary to assure a better meditation. My only hope is that they

do not pay attention to that visualization and project it during

meditation. The Adi Shakti always tells us to meditate on Her Lotus

Feet. After some time you will realize that even that is not

necessary, maybe even not She had in mind.

 

i have meditated a number of times without Shri Mataji's photo and

find no difference between the form and formless. In fact at times

the Formless induced deeper states. The Shakti within cannot be

confined to Her external incarnation as Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi.

Ultimately those who significantly advance in Sahaja Yoga will be

able to completely give up all external images and meditate on Her

within at all times and places. The only requirement is that we

recognize Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi to be the incarnation of the

Shakti. After that it is a matter of progress.

 

And Alex, meditation is a life-long struggle to reach perfect

Silence. This Stillness will take years and considerable effort. Any

obstacle or disturbance will bring you quickly down to Earth, and

you will have to consciously remind yourself to stop thinking

(read " reacting " ). This self-reminder is the best tool and i use it

too.

 

Think of the enlightened mind as a very large, placid lake. If a

stranger throws a small pebble you will feel the disturbing ripples.

Then if a friend throws a large stone you will react to the

upsetting splash. But if a loved one throws a big rock you will be

distressed by the waves. And waves take a longer time to return the

pool to peacefulness. This is the external reaction that our faces

may show.

 

What happens within is more than meets the eye. A big rock, unlike a

small pebble or large stone, agitates the mud which starts to rise.

Like thoughts this rising mud clouds the immediate area. It will

take a long time for the mud to settle. The lake will look

unpleasant, even ugly, with all the brown mud leaching into those

shades of topaz blue. The mind is no different.

 

And if pebbles, stones and rocks are continuously used the mud may

never settle. That is exactly what life is about, a constant

reaction of the mind. It is very, very difficult to stop humans from

disturbing the lake.

 

Enlightenment entails of life of dedication to the Shakti within.

SYs will not provide much information as many are still suckling the

subtle system. Non-SYs will provide better information on subtle

system knowledge that really matters. Take for example the English

translation and Commentary of " Astami " by Jankinath Kaul Kamal:

 

" Astami : Who is worshipped by the eight divine Powers.

 

Durga is also called Astami because she Permeated the eight

important organs of the body consisting of five organs of sensation,

mind, intellect and ego. It is by the grace of Durga that these

eight organs function in balance for the ultimate realization of

supreme self. Durga is the combinatin of Eight Saktis.

 

In the parlance of Tantra Yoga, Astami marks the point where power

of the awakened Kundalini turns to be  blissful. It is called the

square. Lumbika catuspatha where Ida and Pingala Nadis get absorbed

into susumna, the middle path, direct towards the sahasrara. It is

the measure of the eight digit, towards the higher regions in

sahasrara where complete union of Siva-Sakti takes place. Mother

Sakti is named the Eight ( Astami ) because she abides in the middle

path called Madhyama Vritti. Her graceful instant rise silence the

two struggling airs ( prana and apana ) which scale fifteen division

in the intake and outgo of human breath. This corresponds to the

waxing and waning of the moon. The Sixteen  digit makes ending of

one breath and beginning of the other. Just as the waxing eight

lunar digit is soothing and bright so is the direct middle path

glorious with grace. That graceful moment is called Visuvat. This is

the wonderful moment of non-bondage Krityasunya. "

 

i wonder if SY subtle system experts have progressed sufficiently to

match the knowledge of Jankinath Kaul Kamal. Sometimes it seems they

are trying to become specialists in niche areas where others like

Jankinath Kaul Kamal have no information - analysis, treatments and

cures for catches. But, then, is this what Shri Mataji had in mind

when She opened the Sahasrara (Kingdom of God, Dasam Dwar) May 5,

1970 to enable humans to take a giant leap in attaining

enlightenment?

 

Alex, you are now meditating at your new home in Bangalore without a

collective nearby, and wondering if you'll make any progress this

way. i heard good things about Bangalore, the Silicon Valley of the

East. So looks like financially you are secure. Now let me see where

is that Shangri-La where you can make progress and achieve

enlightenment? Did i mention being your own master in your own

Sahasrara?

 

And you are also without a collective. Do you think that once you

are your own master in your own Sahasrara you will need any external

stimuli, like a photograph of Shri Mataji, to continue your inner

spiritual journey? Alex, i have been without a collective for years.

You will learn to thrive in all enviroments. So please do not pay

attention to these temporary discomforts, if they are indeed that in

the first place. They say that booming Bangalore is a true

cosmopolitan city with liberal attitudes, and down-to-earth people

with a lot of civic sense. What more can we ask of an enviroment to

flourish economically, socially and spiritually?

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

shriadishakti , logbo mousse

<moussel2001> wrote:

> Jai jagbir

> I am looking for the first declaration(1970 to 1980)

> of our divin mother Shri Mataji. If it is possible,

> send me those text.

> Jai.

>

>

 

Hi Logbo,

 

Can you clarify " first declaration (1970-1980) " please? If i have

what you need it will be sent.

 

jagbir