Guest guest Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 I was also thinking, is dressing like a stereotypical saint just as important as acting like one? I was thinking on what I posted in the pervious post, and it occurred to me that dressing in fashions of today all the time may actually add to the identification with the body and the ego, or make it more difficult to be freed from those things, especially if all you wear is what you wore and thought of as " you " for the previous couple years. Also, that wearing traditional Indian dress and others of a more humble yet dignified manner may be beneficial in aiding in detachment, yet completely unpractical in modern WESTERN society. On the same token, what would that mean for people who got huge works of art on their bodies(tattoo's) that are very noticeable( like full sleeves or covering of the arm and other things of that nature that can't be removed or at least for the budget of the average person)? That's a very permanent thing and I'm assuming the ideals, identifications and beliefs that originally spawned such well thought out pieces of art that related to " you " before attempting the sahaj way of life, would loose their meaning or significance as the ego is demolished by the power of the spirit. IF this is not the case, then I would suspect that it would be something that would enslave you in some degree, no matter how detached one is, to identifying with your body and old identifications, thus never allowing you to be free from such things due to constant visual reminders of that person who initially planed, brooded and thought out in great detail these works of permanent art. I would really appreciate some conformation or dispelling of these assumptions in both of these examples and am hoping very much that someone could shed some light on these subjects to give me a better idea of what can be done to maximize the effect and what should b avoided, but MOST IMPORTANTLY how these relate to acting dressing like a saint or a work in progress saint should dress; " outside must reflect the inside " . Thanks so much for your time and i hope to hear a response from these from many people who have great knowledge or insight into this. WArmest regards, Kyyan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 shriadishakti , " kyvolk " <kyvolk> wrote: > I was also thinking, is dressing like a stereotypical saint just as > important as acting like one? I was thinking on what I posted in the > pervious post, and it occurred to me that dressing in fashions of > today all the time may actually add to the identification with the > body and the ego, or make it more difficult to be freed from those > things, especially if all you wear is what you wore and thought of > as " you " for the previous couple years. Also, that wearing > traditional Indian dress and others of a more humble yet dignified > manner may be beneficial in aiding in detachment, yet completely > unpractical in modern WESTERN society. > There is no dress code to follow. Women are only asked to be modest in attire. Wearing the traditional Indian dress to become detached may be less desirable than wearing jeans to attain enlightenment. The mind should not be conditioned in any way. > On the same token, what would that mean for people who got huge > works of art on their bodies(tattoo's) that are very noticeable( > like full sleeves or covering of the arm and other things of that > nature that can't be removed or at least for the budget of the > average person)? That's a very permanent thing and I'm assuming > the ideals, identifications and beliefs that originally spawned > such well thought out pieces of art that related to " you " before > attempting the sahaj way of life, would loose their meaning or > significance as the ego is demolished by the power of the spirit. > IF this is not the case, then I would suspect that it would be > something that would enslave you in some degree, no matter how > detached one is, to identifying with your body and old > identifications, thus never allowing you to be free from such > things due to constant visual reminders of that person who > initially planed, brooded and thought out in great detail these > works of permanent art. > The power of the thoughtless state will definitely destroy the ego and reconfigure your mind. It is far easier to forget external, permanent tattooos than heal the mind. Let the Universal Silence teach you more than anything you have ever known. Maybe one day you will be able to look at the tattoos and will be glad they remind you of an ignorant past. A few years ago i suddenly met an old drinking buddy. He was shocked by my spiritual life, a far cry from those days of drinking binges and decades-old self-abusive lifestyle. He was so taken aback by such a radical change that he asked, " What happened to you? " i replied, " From an animal i have become a human being. " > I would really appreciate some conformation or dispelling of these > assumptions in both of these examples and am hoping very much that > someone could shed some light on these subjects to give me a > better idea of what can be done to maximize the effect and what > should be avoided, but MOST IMPORTANTLY how these relate to acting > dressing like a saint or a work in progress saint should > dress; " outside must reflect the inside " . > Saintliness cannot be attained by wearing saffron dhotis or becoming vegetarians. It must be reflected in your love and compassion for fellow humans. You should know that it is easier to be a saint than become enlightened. The first spark of enlightenment only begins when the Kundalini rises from the Mooladhara and reaches the Sahasrara. That first spark was recorded by your spirit some months ago. It is indeed a long journey that will probably take you years to attain and retain. jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 shriadishakti , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org> wrote: > > Saintliness cannot be attained by wearing saffron dhotis or > becoming vegetarians. It must be reflected in your love and > compassion for fellow humans. You should know that it is easier to > be a saint than become enlightened. The first spark of > enlightenment only begins when the Kundalini rises from the > Mooladhara and reaches the Sahasrara. That first spark was > recorded by your spirit some months ago. It is indeed a long > journey that will probably take you years to attain and retain. > > Friday 24 of September, 2004 by John L. Noyce in John Noyce's Blog A prophecy When the millennium that comes after this millennium ends, men will have finally opened their eyes. They will no longer be imprisoned in their head and in their cities, but will be able to see from one end of the Earth to another and understand each other. They will know that what makes one suffer hurts another. Men will form one huge body of which each one will be a tiny part. Together they will form the heart of this body. There will be a common language spoken by everybody and thus, finally, a glorious humanity will come into existence .... because Woman will arrive to reign supreme; She will govern the future and decree her philosophy to man. She will be the Mother of this millennium that follows the millennium. She will, after the days of the devil, radiate the gentle sweetness of a Mother. She will, after the days of barbarity, embody beauty.The millennium that follows the millennium will metamorphose into an age of lightness: Men will love each other, share everything, dream and the dreams will turn into reality... Thus man will have his second birth. Spirit will possess the mass of men who will be united in brotherhood. So an end will be proclaimed to barbarity. It will be the era of a new strength of belief. The dark days at the beginning of the millennium that follows the millennium will be followed by days of jubilation: man will once more find the righteous path of humanity and Earth will find harmony once more.. There will be roads that connect one end of the Earth and the sky to the other; the woods will once more be dense, the desert will once more be irrigated and the water will once again be pure. The Earth will be like a garden: man will take care of every living thing and he will clean everything he has dirtied. He will understand that the whole of Earth is his home and he will think with wisdom of the morrow. Man will know everything on Earth and his own body. Diseases will be cured before they are manifested and everybody will cure themselves and each other. Man will have understood that he has to help himself to stay upright; and after the days of reticence and avarice Man will open his heart and his purse to the poor; he will define himself curator of the human species and so, finally, a new era will begin. When man has learnt to give and share the bitter days of solitude will be at an end. He will once more believe in the Spirit and the barbarians will be unheard of... But all this will happen after the wars and the fires, all this will arise from the ashes of the burnt towers of Babel. And a strong hand will be needed to bring order to the chaos and to put Man on the right path. Man will learn that all creatures must be respected. Man, in his lifetime, will live more than one life and will learn that the light never goes out... (John of Jerusalem, Secret Register of Prophecies (1119)) ------------ Paradise Paradise is at the feet of the Mother. (Hadith of the Prophet Mohammed) ------------ When a man reflects When a man reflects upon himself, responds to the Holy Spirit that lives and calls within him, and follows its secret nod instead of his own whims or the advice of others, by applying himself and adhering to the station for which he was born into the world and to which he was assigned by the Highest Being Himself – this is to undertake happily one's calling with God. (Hryhorij Skovoroda (1722-1794), Ukraine) ------------ Wisdom shines bright Wisdom shines bright and never fades; she is easily discerned by those who love her, and by those who seek her she is found. She is quick to make herself known to those who desire knowledge of her; the man who rises early in search of her will not grow weary in the quest, for he will find her seated at his door. To set all one's thoughts on her is prudence in its perfect shape, and to lie wakeful in her cause is the short way to peace of mind. For she herself ranges in search of those who are worthy of her; on their daily path she appears to them with kindly intent, and in their purposes meets them halfway. The true beginning of wisdom is the desire to learn, and a concern for learning means love towards her; the love of her means the keeping of her laws; to keep her laws is a warrant of immortality; and immortality brings a man nearer to God. Thus the desire of wisdom leads to kingly stature. (The Wisdom of Solomon chapter 6) (Greek text from Alexandria, Egypt, 2nd century BCE) ------------ When realisation came to me When realisation came to me, I was filled with joy and all fear departed from me. I found pure deliverance in the realm of the unapproachable, the unthinkable. The Unapproachable has come near, the message of the Unthinkable abides with me always, the Unutterable find utterance. From separation I have come to Union. The bonds of self are loosened, all error has fled, and the light of the Brahman shines upon my soul. (Dadu Dayal (1544-1603) Rajasthan, India) ------------ The Mother The most beautiful word on the lips of mankind is the word `Mother', and the most beautiful call is the call of `My mother'. It is a word full of hope and love, a sweet and kind word coming from the depths of the heart. The mother is everything – she is our consolation in sorrow, our hope in misery, and our strength in weakness. She is the source of love, mercy, sympathy, and forgiveness. He who loses his mother loses a pure soul who blesses and guards him constantly. Everything in nature bespeaks the mother. The sun is the mother of earth and gives its nourishment of heat; it never leaves the universe at night until it has put the earth to sleep to the song of the sea and the hymn of birds and brooks. And this earth is the mother of trees and flowers. It produces them, nurses them, and weans them. The trees and flowers become kind mothers of their great fruits and seeds. And the mother, the prototype of all existence, is the eternal spirit, full of beauty and love. (Kahlil Gibran, `The Broken Wings', first published in Arabic in 1912) ------------ O Mother On the face of the earth there is no one more beautiful than You. Wherever I go I wear Your image in my heart. Whenever I fall in a despondent mood I remember your image and my spirit rises thousand fold. Your advent is the blossom time of the universe. O Mother you have showered Your choicest blessings upon me. Also remember me on the Day of Judgement. I don't know if I will go to heaven or hell, But wherever I go, please always abide in me. (Unknown Sufi) ------------ I entered not knowing where I entered not knowing where. And I remained not knowing. Beyond all science knowing. I did not know where I entered, But when I saw myself there, Not knowing where I entered, Many things I suddenly learned; I will not say what these things were, For I remained not knowing, Beyond all science knowing. It was peace, it was love, It was the perfect knowledge, In deep loneliness I saw with wisdom; It was a thing so secret I was left babbling and trembling, Beyond all science knowing. I was so far beyond, So lost and absorbed, I lost all my senses I was of all sensing dispossessed; And my spirit was filled With knowledge not knowing, Beyond all science knowing. Whoever truly reaches there, To himself he is lost; All he knew before Now appears very base; But his knowledge grows, And he remains not knowing Beyond all science knowing. … This knowing by not knowing, Is of such high power, That the arguments of the wise Are unable to grasp it; For their knowledge does not explain Not to know knowing, Beyond all science knowing. And this exalted wisdom Is of such excellence, That no faculty of science Can hope to reach it; But he who learns to conquer himself With this knowledge of not knowing, Will always go beyond all science knowing. (In this song, found in a manuscript of his works, Juan de la Cruz (a.k.a. John of the Cross)(1542-1591) described his entry into nirvikalpa-samadhi) ------------ The great mystery The primary matter of all things is the " great mystery " … Like children are born to the mother, from the " great mystery " issues all things, with or without feelings, as well as the other things, all in the same manner. The " Great mystery " is the only mother of all mortal things. (Paracelsus (1490-1541), Swiss spiritual alchemist) ------------ The Divine flow of blessings There is a Water that flows down from Heaven To cleanse the world of sin by grace Divine. At last, its whole stock spent, its virtue gone, Dark with pollution not its own, it speeds Back to the Fountain of all purities; Whence, freshly bathed, earthward it sweeps again, Trailing a role of glory bright and pure. This Water is the Spirit of the Saints. Which ever sheds, until itself is beggared, God's balm on the sick soul; and then returns To Him who made the purest light of Heaven. (the Islamic Sufi, Rumi) ------------ There are seven lights, which split up into seven seas, and one sea Shechina contains them. This one sea is the supernal sea in which all the seven seas are contained. These seven lights enter the sea, and smite the sea on seven sides, and each side splits up into seven rivers, as it is written " and He will smite it into seven rivers " (Isaiah 11:15) and each river splits up into seven streams, and each stream splits up into seven roads, and each road splits up into seven paths, and all the waters of the sea enter them. The seven supernal lights enter the sea – they are really six emerging from the uppermost one. As the sea receives them so it distributes its waters to all the seas, to all the rivers. (the Jewish Kabbalistic text, the Sefer ha-Zohar 1:52a) http://people.lulu.com//blogs/view.php?blog_id=193 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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