Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: > > > > Alex, > > i would prefer you verifying your facts first and > giving quotes. It > becomes tiresome and irritating to first prove your > facts wrong and > then answer questions based on false assumptions, > stale rumours or > plain ignorance. > > But don't construe this as an attempt to dodge your > bullets. i would > never despite watching the Matrix series. Anyway i > have a sore back > that even rules that out. > > jagbir > > shriadishakti , alex arthur > <dude11976> > wrote: > > Dear Jagbir, > > > > I think the tape i heard which brings up this > topic is > > called 'Inherent dangers in sustaining our self > > realisation' or something to that effect. > > > > She categorically states that if you see me in > dreams > > it is ok, but you if see me otherwise it is a > problem. > > She meant 'real life' seeing. > > > > It brings one to question, are yours the only kids > in > > sahaj yoga to be pure enough to be granted these > > visions? Its a long shot! Also, by deciding to > > propogate this information, you are tempting > people to > > ask for these experiences too. A sure shot way to > make > > them go nuts. But then again, its your group, your > > website etc etc > > > > Alex > > --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org> wrote: Dear Jagbir, I have a limited number of tapes 10, 15 at most. I've heard the one i quoted over and over and im sure its one hundred percent accurate. Its part of the revelation series. It may not be so apparent you, so let me tell you where your website and is going. A true SY, that is, one who has been initiated and belongs to a collective, would dread joining your website, far less become a member. They would suffer innumerable catches, experience heat on the hands and would probably palpitate to death on reading your quotes from 'false gurus' in the SY meaning of the word. You are probably aware, if you have the sensitivity, experience and will to understand that the kundalini awakening is much like a rebirth. Only, this spiritual rebirth drops a person right into the cult like phenomenon of Sahaj Yoga. Its a whole new set of conditionings that are difficult to break out of and requires a lot of guts and determination to do so. Thats why you see that the people in the TASY forum go on posting the same messages incessantly. Its not that they are obsessed or evil or anything like that. Its just that it serves as a kind of support group for them. They were 'conditioned' into sahaj yoga and breaking free was not easy. I dont know if i'll be able to make my point well in such a brief mail but what i'm getting to is that all the 'real' sahaj yogis arent on your list. Some who do venture in here are quickly alarmed and often leave. A few might even revolt. A case in point being the lady who objected to your 'penis enlargement' quotes of a false guru. Im quite sure she did not hang around to read your rebuttal. If shes still on the group you can definitely coax her to express further displeasure at your posts. So if thats what your group membership is 'not'. then what is it? Its basically a bunch a people who are half conditioned or perhaps not conditioned at all. People who might be meditating regularly or might not. If they arent, they wont feel guilty or fear the wrath of the goddess. Its something like a 'can do' attitude. These people surely arent part of closely knit, share-all collectives. Its a more liberal breed we are talking of here. But if one is liberal, he/she still needs guidance. And whether you realise it or not, you are the leader of the pack. To close, my whole point is that, YOU are the only person claiming visits to the goddess in some spiritual realm. Of all the thoudands of SY's around the world..YOU YOU YOU are the ONLY one!!! Now just imagine what effect that migt have on the pack you are leading!! I mean the members of this group!! They will invariably feel that only Kash and Arvinder are worthy of this blesing to meet the goddess in the sahasrar and will pray and meditate harder and plead with the goddess for a visit too!!! In due time they will get it, its a different matter they might also be in a mental institution by then. But like i said before, its your group and your website! Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 shriadishakti , alex arthur <dude11976> wrote: > > > To close, my whole point is that, YOU are the only > person claiming visits to the goddess in some > spiritual realm. Of all the thoudands of SY's around > the world..YOU YOU YOU are the ONLY one!!! Now just > imagine what effect that migt have on the pack you are > leading!! I mean the members of this group!! They will > invariably feel that only Kash and Arvinder are worthy > of this blesing to meet the goddess in the sahasrar > and will pray and meditate harder and plead with the > goddess for a visit too!!! In due time they will get > it, its a different matter they might also be in a > mental institution by then. > > Alex, Shri Mataji has on five separate occasions over the years - before national leaders and other SYs - expressed Her approval and congratulations regarding what i have written in the 2,200 page SHRI ADI SHAKTI: THE KINGDOM OF GOD. The last time She spent half an hour browsing through it, and was again very pleased. Perhaps that was not enough or did She miss something? However i do not intend to ask Her the sixth time just because you think She made a huge mistake and need to be corrected. Anyone who is displeased can do so. May those so-called anti-www.adishakti.org SYs you are talking about also find a way to prove that She is indeed the Adi Shakti. And not to forget She is indeed the bearer of the Last Judgment and Resurrection. i will be happy to see them shoulder this dharmic responsibility, even close down all my websites if Shri Mataji tells me to do so. Just as it is no big deal for my children that they can meet the Adi Shakti in the Sahasrara, it is also no big deal for me to stop trying to convince others that Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is the incarnation of the Shakti. (You think we are craving attention and recognition!!!???) Alex, so far no one has landed in a mental institution and i would not want you to be the first causality. Please do not remain a member of this forum and read what you apparently strongly disagree and which causes so much distress to you and certain SYs. Is that too much to ask? jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 dear alex, even if you do not believe the website completely you cannot deny the sincerity with which jagbir tries to help seekers on this forum. the so called TRUE SAHAJA YOGIS that you talk of also tend to make sahaj yoga seem like a cult with emphasis on clearing techniques/treatments. i have met only a few true sys who have talked of the need to achieve thoughtless awareness whereby you do not need these treatments.the aim of sahaj yoga is union with param chitanya which is achieved in thoughtless awareness.maybe this text of a talk by shri mataji will help you realize that jagbir is doing a great job of helping seekers and disillusioned sahaj yogis approach sahaja yoga meditation with clarity. In a lecture delivered in Sydney in March 1983, Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, founder of Sahaja Yoga, talks about man's seeking for this lost inner paradise of eternal happiness, and what is at the end of the journey. " Now you all have realized by this time that within us lies the peace, the beauty, the glory of our being. There's an ocean of all that. We can not seek it outside. We have to go within - what they call " in the meditative state " [where] you seek it, you enjoy it. Like when you are thirsty, you go to a river, or you go to an ocean, and try to quench your thirst. But even the ocean cannot give you sweet water. So, how can anything that is spread outside give you that deep thing that is within you. You are trying to find it outside, where it does not lie. It is within us, absolutely within us. It is so simple because it is your own. It is within your reach. Just there. Whatever you have been doing - going out to find the joy, the so-called joy, so-called happiness, so-called glory of worldly powers and worldly possessions - you have to reverse it back, the whole thing. You have to project 'within yourself.' It was not wrong that you went out. You should not feel sorry for what ! you have done so far.[...] It has worked in so many people, that you have entered into that subtler understanding. Some people are only at a mental level, maybe, doesn't matter. Maybe some are only at a physical level that they can feel it. Doesn't matter. But you are on the correct lines. You are moving correctly.Try to meditate. Meditate more, so that you reach that inner being. And this inner being is the vast ocean of bliss which exists in every one of us. [it is] the vast flood of light, that floods everybody's inner beauty. So to approach it, you have to go " within " yourself - by denying things which are against it, against your movement.Sometimes the wind can be very very strong for you to not understand that the glory of God is within - but turn back. Every movement remember, that your movement has to be inward. When you move inward, you forget the ideas of your outer glories. [...] It is an individual journey towards God.When you meditate and when you reach there, then you become collective. Before that it's an " absolute individual journey within " . It's [an] absolutely individual journey!You should be able to see this; that in this journey nobody is your relation. Nobody is your friend. You are absolutely alone. 'Absolutely alone'. You have to move alone within yourself. Don't hate anyone. Don't be irresponsible, but in meditative mood you are alone. No one exists there. You alone. And once you enter into that ocean then the whole world becomes your whole family. The whole world is your own manifestation. All the children becomes your children. And you treat all people with equal understanding.The whole expansion takes place when you enter inside 'your' spirit and start seeing through eyes of the spirit. There's such calm, such peace, such bliss within you. You have to be ready for that journey. That journey is alone in your meditativeness. And the more you find something in your meditation, the more you want to go and distribute it to others. That has to be. If that does not come into you then it has not worked out; there is no purity; there is some sort of a bias. In that individual pursuit, whatever you find, you want to enjoy it with others, you wantto give it to others. This is the sign of the person who has been really meditative. The one who has been meditative and has not been able to distribute what he has found is cheating himself and cheating others as well. Because that joy that you receive in your meditation has to be distributed. Has to be given. Has to be shown. It should flow in your being as the light radiates from every illumined lamp. You don't have to take a vow to say that this is an enlightened light. In the same way a saint should not have to be certified that he is a saint. The depth you achieve within yourself spreads all over. It is such an action and reaction. The deeper you become, the radiation is much more. [A] simple, very ordinary person, uneducated person, can be like that. We have you know, one gentleman called as Varick in Bombay. He is an old man, and is so deep. He radiates love. He's so meditative. You don't have to spend too much time on meditation. But whatever time you spend, whatever you gain, has to be visible outside - how you radiate and how you give it to others. [...] Everyone of you has to decide for oneself. " i believe jagbir is stating the truth. keep up the good work,jagbir. best regards, chandrashekar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2004 Report Share Posted November 14, 2004 In shriadishakti , alex arthur > > <dude11976> > > wrote: > > > Dear Jagbir, > > > I think the tape i heard which brings up this > > topic is called 'Inherent dangers in sustaining our self > > > realisation' or something to that effect. Balwinder: Alex,could you please tell us the exact title of the talk , the month and year. " I think " and " something to that effect " is not sufficient for such and important issue .In the next post you have gone on to say that " I've heard the one i quoted over and over and im sure its one hundred percent accurate " which is what mort people want to hear. > > > She categorically states that if you see me in > > dreams > > > it is ok, but you if see me otherwise it is a > > problem. > > > She meant 'real life' seeing. Balwinder: Could you take the trouble to provide the exact words that Shree mataji said - the whole talk or at least the whole para(1 minute of talk before the sentence you mentioned and 1 minute of talk after the sentence). There is now a project going on to transcribe the exact words of Shree Mataji into text.Despite the transcribers being handpicked there are still a few who sometimes give their own meaning to what Shree Mataji said(read give their own meanings to her simple words , twisting Her words to fit their thinking/conditioning or bluntly said " put words into Her mouth " )) but not to worry because there is now a fool proof way in place to ensure what Shree Mataji said is what that is transcribed. I have many more examples where Shree Mataji's words have been twisted or where words have been put into Her mouth but for the moment this will do.So could you do all the members and non-members alike a great favour by typing the exact words of Shree Mataji speech on this matter? Rgds Balwinder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Dear brothers, One of our shaji is in need of 108 names of shri kubera.if any one of u have the knowledge of it,could u please send it. your love and regard shall always be felt. with nirmal love, Gautam India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Alex, I politely suggest that you should not judge people whom you dont know much about. Sure we are all sahaja yogis here but as is clear from your mail, it will take a lot of time before even sahaja yogis can understand each other and more importantly understand the message of Shri Mataji. About visting Shri Mataji in Sahasrar, let me assure you Jagbirji's children are not the only ones there are many more (this is first hand information) And lastly, I think we all should remember the purpose of this egroup. I believe that its purpose is more than just to find remedies for catches but to recognize our responsibility towards Sahaja Yoga and this world. And for this cause, I believe Jagbirji has done a marvellous job in adishakti.org and this group. And if some messages appear strong to some people, the real intention behind them have to be understood. Take care and all the best Jai Shri Mataji anuj shriadishakti , alex arthur <dude11976> wrote: > --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Alex, > > > > i would prefer you verifying your facts first and > > giving quotes. It > > becomes tiresome and irritating to first prove your > > facts wrong and > > then answer questions based on false assumptions, > > stale rumours or > > plain ignorance. > > > > But don't construe this as an attempt to dodge your > > bullets. i would > > never despite watching the Matrix series. Anyway i > > have a sore back > > that even rules that out. > > > > jagbir > > > > shriadishakti , alex arthur > > <dude11976> > > wrote: > > > Dear Jagbir, > > > > > > I think the tape i heard which brings up this > > topic is > > > called 'Inherent dangers in sustaining our self > > > realisation' or something to that effect. > > > > > > She categorically states that if you see me in > > dreams > > > it is ok, but you if see me otherwise it is a > > problem. > > > She meant 'real life' seeing. > > > > > > It brings one to question, are yours the only kids > > in > > > sahaj yoga to be pure enough to be granted these > > > visions? Its a long shot! Also, by deciding to > > > propogate this information, you are tempting > > people to > > > ask for these experiences too. A sure shot way to > > make > > > them go nuts. But then again, its your group, your > > > website etc etc > > > > > > Alex > > > --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org> wrote: > > Dear Jagbir, > > I have a limited number of tapes 10, 15 at most. I've > heard the one i quoted over and over and im sure its > one hundred percent accurate. Its part of the > revelation series. It may not be so apparent you, so > let me tell you where your website and is > going. > > A true SY, that is, one who has been initiated and > belongs to a collective, would dread joining your > website, far less become a member. They would suffer > innumerable catches, experience heat on the hands and > would probably palpitate to death on reading your > quotes from 'false gurus' in the SY meaning of the > word. > > You are probably aware, if you have the sensitivity, > experience and will to understand that the kundalini > awakening is much like a rebirth. Only, this spiritual > rebirth drops a person right into the cult like > phenomenon of Sahaj Yoga. Its a whole new set of > conditionings that are difficult to break out of and > requires a lot of guts and determination to do so. > Thats why you see that the people in the TASY forum go > on posting the same messages incessantly. Its not that > they are obsessed or evil or anything like that. Its > just that it serves as a kind of support group for > them. They were 'conditioned' into sahaj yoga and > breaking free was not easy. > > I dont know if i'll be able to make my point well in > such a brief mail but what i'm getting to is that all > the 'real' sahaj yogis arent on your list. Some who do > venture in here are quickly alarmed and often leave. A > few might even revolt. A case in point being the lady > who objected to your 'penis enlargement' quotes of a > false guru. Im quite sure she did not hang around to > read your rebuttal. If shes still on the group you can > definitely coax her to express further displeasure at > your posts. > > So if thats what your group membership is 'not'. then > what is it? Its basically a bunch a people who are > half conditioned or perhaps not conditioned at all. > People who might be meditating regularly or might not. > If they arent, they wont feel guilty or fear the wrath > of the goddess. Its something like a 'can do' > attitude. These people surely arent part of closely > knit, share-all collectives. Its a more liberal breed > we are talking of here. But if one is liberal, he/she > still needs guidance. And whether you realise it or > not, you are the leader of the pack. > > To close, my whole point is that, YOU are the only > person claiming visits to the goddess in some > spiritual realm. Of all the thoudands of SY's around > the world..YOU YOU YOU are the ONLY one!!! Now just > imagine what effect that migt have on the pack you are > leading!! I mean the members of this group!! They will > invariably feel that only Kash and Arvinder are worthy > of this blesing to meet the goddess in the sahasrar > and will pray and meditate harder and plead with the > goddess for a visit too!!! In due time they will get > it, its a different matter they might also be in a > mental institution by then. > > But like i said before, its your group and your > website! > > Alex > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 > > Balwinder: > Alex,could you please tell us the exact title of the > talk , the month > and year. " I think " and " something to that effect " is > not sufficient > for such and important issue .In the next post you > have gone on to say > that " I've heard the one i quoted over and over and > im sure its one > hundred percent accurate " which is what mort people > want to hear. Dear Balwinder, Sure, i'll source that out when time permits. But suppose i dont, are you implying that Mataji is fine with people claming to meet her in the saharar? Were that the case, wouldnt she be openly proclaiming that as a bench mark on the path to spiritual liberation? How come, there is no mention of her saying ' yes children, you must meet me in the sahasrar. From there ill take you for complimentary joyrides and we'll meet all the other dieties. We'll make shri Hanuman rip open his chest in a far away galaxy and we'll meet shri ram and mother sita there too!! Let me give you another half baked quote which will also clear Jagbirs doubts on why SM has not commented adversely on his book. In a certain tape (Chronologicallly, all these quotes are within the first 15 tapes available in the delhi ashram in Saket) She said that People often claim having seen me etc but i know that they are lying. But i cannot tell them that because if they know that i know then they are 'finished' (end of half baked quote)Now, 'finished' may mean different things to different people...so dream away. Jagbir, quit getting so aggressive about my posts. Again I say that it is your group so you have the liberty to post what you like. If i had a problem, with subscribing here then i'd have left long ago. I definitely enjoy reading all the research work you post here. So think i'll stay. I think its up to individual members to aborb what they want at their own discretion. Jai Shri Mataji Alex Check out the new Front Page. www. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Alex, You are just not getting it. So i am reposting again so that perhaps you cease putting your own half-baked words into Shri Mataji's mouth and, worse, imply that you know better what She probably said/meant 20 years ago. i mean you are telling others that YOU know better and that Shri Mataji deliberately lied to me all the SYs present over the years. That is what you are saying, perhaps unconsciously. And the more you continue the further you are entangling yourself. jagbir ---------------------------- Shri Mataji has on five separate occasions over the years - before national leaders and other SYs - expressed Her approval and congratulations regarding what i have written in the 2,200 page SHRI ADI SHAKTI: THE KINGDOM OF GOD. The last time She spent half an hour browsing through it, and was again very pleased. Perhaps that was not enough or did She miss something? However i do not intend to ask Her the sixth time just because you think She made a huge mistake and need to be corrected. Anyone who is displeased can do so. ------------------------------ " RE: Editing of book Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:29:29 -0400 " Kumar, Manoj (MMRX) " <manoj_kumar " 'Jagbir Singh' " <jagbir, " 'Arun Goel' " <mother CC: " Kumar, Manoj (MMRX) " <manoj_kumar Dear Jagbir, I presented your book to Shri Mataji when I was in India. She spent almost half an hour to go through the book. Overall, She was very pleased with the book and especially with your effort in compiling the information. She Mataji felt that it needs some editing. She asked me to convey to you " Tell Jagbir now to leave it to Her " . She suggested that She will get it published in India in 4 volumes because the print is very small in its existing format which will be made bigger and will than be more readable. She suggested that since it is going to be a priced item that you should remove it's free availability from the web. You can contact the leader of India Arun Goyal who was present at the time of my discussion with Shri Mataji to get further status. Shri Mataji will be India till the 18th and then will come to Europe. Arun Goyal's email address in India is mother. <mother !jai Shri Mataji! Your brother, Manoj " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 shriadishakti , alex arthur <dude11976> wrote: > > Let me give you another half baked quote which will > also clear Jagbirs doubts on why SM has not commented > adversely on his book. In a certain tape > (Chronologicallly, all these quotes are within the > first 15 tapes available in the delhi ashram in Saket) > She said that People often claim having seen me etc > but i know that they are lying. But i cannot tell them > that because if they know that i know then they are > 'finished' (end of half baked quote)Now, 'finished' > may mean different things to different people...so > dream away. > 1. But why must my children be punished so severely even though they never even desired anything in the first place? Their only crimes were that they joined Sahaja Yoga and started meditating on Shri Mataji. Has Sahaja Yoga suddenly become such a life-threathening spiritual path? 2. Are all other poor innocent SY children who have met the Adi Shakti going to be punished through no fault of theirs? 3. Should all SY children stop meditating becuase one fine day they may just accidently enter the Sahasrara, against their will, and meet the Adi Shakti who will have no alternative (by your half-baked interpretation) but to destroy them? 4. Will She finish those SYs who happen to meet Her, even though they meditate without any desire to meet Her? 5. Alex, can you give me a single death throughout the millennia of Indian spiritual history of such destruction by a wrathful Divine Mother? (Will a Divine Father show more compassion?) 6. What is your advise since you have discovered a fatal flaw and latent life-threatening danger of meditating on Shri Mataji in the Sahasrara? jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Oh Jagbir, Take it easy! Anyways, from your own mail below, do you really think that she could read 2200 pages in half an hour? And lets be honest now, is it written in capitals that your kids are meeting her in the sahasrar everyday??? On every page??? And its visible with the 'small print'??? She said she liked the compilation. Which obviously means compilation of 'HER' work. If the SY leaders are so kicked by your work, then how come there is no link to your site from any of the sahaj yoga websites?? Oversight? I dont think so. Anyways, peace to you brother. Its your , so write what you will.... Alex --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: > > > Alex, > > You are just not getting it. So i am reposting again > so that perhaps > you cease putting your own half-baked words into > Shri Mataji's mouth > and, worse, imply that you know better what She > probably said/meant > 20 years ago. i mean you are telling others that YOU > know better and > that Shri Mataji deliberately lied to me all the SYs > present over > the years. That is what you are saying, perhaps > unconsciously. > > And the more you continue the further you are > entangling yourself. > > jagbir > > > ---------------------------- > > > Shri Mataji has on five separate occasions over the > years - before > national leaders and other SYs - expressed Her > approval and > congratulations regarding what i have written in the > 2,200 page SHRI > ADI SHAKTI: THE KINGDOM OF GOD. > > The last time She spent half an hour browsing > through it, and was > again very pleased. Perhaps that was not enough or > did She miss > something? > > However i do not intend to ask Her the sixth time > just because you > think She made a huge mistake and need to be > corrected. Anyone who > is displeased can do so. > > ------------------------------ > > " RE: Editing of book > Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:29:29 -0400 > " Kumar, Manoj (MMRX) " <manoj_kumar > " 'Jagbir Singh' " <jagbir, > " 'Arun Goel' " <mother > CC: " Kumar, Manoj (MMRX) " <manoj_kumar > > > Dear Jagbir, > > I presented your book to Shri Mataji when I was in > India. She spent > almost half an hour to go through the book. Overall, > She was very > pleased with the book and especially with your > effort in compiling > the information. She Mataji felt that it needs some > editing. She > asked me to convey to you " Tell Jagbir now to leave > it to Her " . > > She suggested that She will get it published in > India in 4 volumes > because the print is very small in its existing > format which will be > made bigger and will than be more readable. She > suggested that since > it is going to be a priced item that you should > remove it's free > availability from the web. > > You can contact the leader of India Arun Goyal who > was present at > the time of my discussion with Shri Mataji to get > further status. > Shri Mataji will be India till the 18th and then > will come to > Europe. Arun Goyal's email address in India is > mother. > <mother > > !jai Shri Mataji! > > > Your brother, > > > > > > Manoj " > > > > > > > > > Meet the all-new My - Try it today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Dear Jagbir, You are taking it personally. My intention was not to hurt your ego and make you go on a rampage. TAke a chill pill and relax. I tired of saying it your group and your website so you have 100 per cent freedom to post what you like. I am even open to believing that you might not be lying. Maybe you really believe what you say. Its just that mataji has never ever said anythng about meeting in the sahasrar. Never. If anything, she said there is a problem if you think you are seeing me. You are going to mislead a lot of people by talking of these visions. But then again, its your website and group and im happy to read your posts. Alex --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: > > shriadishakti , alex arthur > <dude11976> > wrote: > > > > Let me give you another half baked quote which > will > > also clear Jagbirs doubts on why SM has not > commented > > adversely on his book. In a certain tape > > (Chronologicallly, all these quotes are within the > > first 15 tapes available in the delhi ashram in > Saket) > > She said that People often claim having seen me > etc > > but i know that they are lying. But i cannot tell > them > > that because if they know that i know then they > are > > 'finished' (end of half baked quote)Now, > 'finished' > > may mean different things to different people...so > > dream away. > > > > 1. But why must my children be punished so severely > even though they > never even desired anything in the first place? > Their only crimes > were that they joined Sahaja Yoga and started > meditating on Shri > Mataji. Has Sahaja Yoga suddenly become such a > life-threathening > spiritual path? > > 2. Are all other poor innocent SY children who have > met the Adi > Shakti going to be punished through no fault of > theirs? > > 3. Should all SY children stop meditating becuase > one fine day they > may just accidently enter the Sahasrara, against > their will, and > meet the Adi Shakti who will have no alternative (by > your half-baked > interpretation) but to destroy them? > > 4. Will She finish those SYs who happen to meet Her, > even though > they meditate without any desire to meet Her? > > 5. Alex, can you give me a single death throughout > the millennia of > Indian spiritual history of such destruction by a > wrathful Divine > Mother? (Will a Divine Father show more compassion?) > > 6. What is your advise since you have discovered a > fatal flaw and > latent life-threatening danger of meditating on Shri > Mataji in the > Sahasrara? > > jagbir > > > > > > The all-new My - Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Alex, i agree She cannot read 2,200 pages in half-an-hour though definitely able to understand the main topic and nature of the contents. But you are telling us that Shri Mataji cannot possibly also read small print!!?? That is what you are insisting, Alex. By your admission Shri Mataji possibly could not have read much because of the fine text. Are you implying that She does not and cannot read anything in small print - newspapers, novels, magazines etc.? But is it possible that She uses glasses? i mean you suddenly know so much about how She went through my book. Surely you know that She always wear glasses due to Her age. Is it then possible that She actually did read for half an hour, not just gaze frivolously at the small print? FYI, the last time in April 2000 when She read it was Vol. 1 of Shri Adi Shakti: The Kingdom Of God consisting of first 1,100 pages dealing almost entirely with meeting Her in the Sahasrara. It is impossible for anyone to miss page after page of evidence. You said " She said she liked the compilation. Which obviously means compilation of 'HER' work. " So does 1,100 pages of meeting Her in the Sahasrara qualify as " compilation of 'HER' work " to your literary standard? And yes, i did put the headings in LARGE CAPITAL LETTERS every few pages. You think She missed that too? Prior to that during the 1999 Shri Krishna Puja in Cabella the same were presented to Her in pamphlet form with individual chapters i.e., the first 1,100 pages. The next day i was called up to Her palace and She told me before leaders and SYs alike: " Jagbir, thumne kamaal kardiya! " (Jagbir, you have performed a miracle). So, Alex, is it possible Shri Mataji spent more than half-an-hour in 1999 actually reading it? i mean you just don't announce something like that before leaders unless you have read and, more importantly, UNDERSTOOD what were the contents. And the contents dealt mainly with Her existence in the Sahasrara. What else do you thing the book title SHRI ADI SHAKTI: THE KINGDOM OF GOD means? Should i change it to SHRI ADI SHAKTI: THE SHAKTI IN THE SAHASRARA? i remember some SYs congratulating and telling me that Shri Mataji was very pleased and happy that such a work was done. One who was close to leaders told that Shri Mataji wanted some editing done as i had used strong language against the Catholic Church. (Apparently Alex, She must have actually read small print to know exactly what i wrote about the Catholic Church.) And yes, Shri Mataji also told that very good vibrations were coming out of the book. Is that good enough for you now? Are there links to www.adishakti.org from official SY websites? Yes, there are. Maybe you want to know why so few. Let me tell you what happened when i returned from Cabella and, being an educated professional with a fab pay in a great organization, you will have less trouble understanding than idiots like us at this forum. My SYogini sister came to fetch me at the Dorval airport in Montreal. When we finally had put all the luggage in the car and were driving off she asked: " So what did Shri Mataji say about your book? " (She knew beforehand that i will taking the book to Cabella. In fact she suggested i do in order to verify the facts.) i replied that Shri Mataji was very pleased and happy, even saying it was a miracle. Immediately her face fell, smile disappear, and there was an awkward silence. Apparently she was not happy that Shri Mataji was happy. i knew in my heart that the Inquisytion would last a very long time. So Alex, you are not going to be the last of the hunters of heretics and demonic children. jagbir shriadishakti , alex arthur <dude11976> wrote: > Oh Jagbir, Take it easy! > > Anyways, from your own mail below, do you really think > that she could read 2200 pages in half an hour? And > lets be honest now, is it written in capitals that > your kids are meeting her in the sahasrar everyday??? > > On every page??? And its visible with the 'small > print'??? > > She said she liked the compilation. Which obviously > means compilation of 'HER' work. > > > If the SY leaders are so kicked by your work, then how > come there is no link to your site from any of the > sahaj yoga websites?? Oversight? I dont think so. > > Anyways, peace to you brother. Its your , > so write what you will.... > > Alex > --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org> wrote: > > > > > > > Alex, > > > > You are just not getting it. So i am reposting again > > so that perhaps > > you cease putting your own half-baked words into > > Shri Mataji's mouth > > and, worse, imply that you know better what She > > probably said/meant > > 20 years ago. i mean you are telling others that YOU > > know better and > > that Shri Mataji deliberately lied to me all the SYs > > present over > > the years. That is what you are saying, perhaps > > unconsciously. > > > > And the more you continue the further you are > > entangling yourself. > > > > jagbir > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > > > > > Shri Mataji has on five separate occasions over the > > years - before > > national leaders and other SYs - expressed Her > > approval and > > congratulations regarding what i have written in the > > 2,200 page SHRI > > ADI SHAKTI: THE KINGDOM OF GOD. > > > > The last time She spent half an hour browsing > > through it, and was > > again very pleased. Perhaps that was not enough or > > did She miss > > something? > > > > However i do not intend to ask Her the sixth time > > just because you > > think She made a huge mistake and need to be > > corrected. Anyone who > > is displeased can do so. > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > " RE: Editing of book > > Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:29:29 -0400 > > " Kumar, Manoj (MMRX) " <manoj_kumar@m...> > > " 'Jagbir Singh' " <jagbir@s...>, > > " 'Arun Goel' " <mother@d...> > > CC: " Kumar, Manoj (MMRX) " <manoj_kumar@m...> > > > > > > Dear Jagbir, > > > > I presented your book to Shri Mataji when I was in > > India. She spent > > almost half an hour to go through the book. Overall, > > She was very > > pleased with the book and especially with your > > effort in compiling > > the information. She Mataji felt that it needs some > > editing. She > > asked me to convey to you " Tell Jagbir now to leave > > it to Her " . > > > > She suggested that She will get it published in > > India in 4 volumes > > because the print is very small in its existing > > format which will be > > made bigger and will than be more readable. She > > suggested that since > > it is going to be a priced item that you should > > remove it's free > > availability from the web. > > > > You can contact the leader of India Arun Goyal who > > was present at > > the time of my discussion with Shri Mataji to get > > further status. > > Shri Mataji will be India till the 18th and then > > will come to > > Europe. Arun Goyal's email address in India is > > mother@d... > > <mother@d...> > > > > !jai Shri Mataji! > > > > > > Your brother, > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meet the all-new My - Try it today! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Alex, You say that you are even open to believing that i might not be lying!!?? Maybe i really believe what i say!!!?? Alex, you are just NOT getting it. Every time you accuse me of anything you are actually accusing Shri Mataji indirectly. You just do not seem to understand that Shri Mataji has READ, UNDERSTOOD and GIVEN HER BLESSINGS. In Toronto, Canada on September 18, 1997 i again asked Her permission to continue with the book in the presence of leader Jay Chudasama and other SYs. Shri Mataji told those present that permission had already been granted previously, and there was no need to ask again. i spontaneously raised my folded hands high above my head in Namaskar and exclaimed, " Jai Shri Mataji! " (Victory to the Mother!) The Great Divine Mother ended the meeting with Her blessings of Anant Ashirvad (Everlasting Blessings) to me in my endeavor. So are all these posts enough to convince you that She KNOWS 100% that i am writing about children meeting Her in the Sahasrara? And i am not talking about 10 times, 100 times or 1000 times. i am talking about 1000's of time over the last 10 years ............. even till today. Alex, She knows that all of us i.e., my children and myself are telling the truth. And since Shri Mataji believes and has agreed we are telling the truth who are you to disagree? jagbir p.s. i would appreciate if you answer my questions directly so that we can all be enlightened by your expertise in these matters. shriadishakti , alex arthur <dude11976> wrote: > Dear Jagbir, > > You are taking it personally. My intention was not to > hurt your ego and make you go on a rampage. TAke a > chill pill and relax. I tired of saying it your > group and your website so you have 100 per cent > freedom to post what you like. > > I am even open to believing that you might not be > lying. Maybe you really believe what you say. Its just > that mataji has never ever said anythng about meeting > in the sahasrar. > > Never. > > If anything, she said there is a problem if you think > you are seeing me. > > You are going to mislead a lot of people by talking of > these visions. But then again, its your website and > group and im happy to read your posts. > > Alex > > > > --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org> wrote: > > > > > shriadishakti , alex arthur > > <dude11976> > > wrote: > > > > > > Let me give you another half baked quote which > > will > > > also clear Jagbirs doubts on why SM has not > > commented > > > adversely on his book. In a certain tape > > > (Chronologicallly, all these quotes are within the > > > first 15 tapes available in the delhi ashram in > > Saket) > > > She said that People often claim having seen me > > etc > > > but i know that they are lying. But i cannot tell > > them > > > that because if they know that i know then they > > are > > > 'finished' (end of half baked quote)Now, > > 'finished' > > > may mean different things to different people...so > > > dream away. > > > > > > > 1. But why must my children be punished so severely > > even though they > > never even desired anything in the first place? > > Their only crimes > > were that they joined Sahaja Yoga and started > > meditating on Shri > > Mataji. Has Sahaja Yoga suddenly become such a > > life-threathening > > spiritual path? > > > > 2. Are all other poor innocent SY children who have > > met the Adi > > Shakti going to be punished through no fault of > > theirs? > > > > 3. Should all SY children stop meditating becuase > > one fine day they > > may just accidently enter the Sahasrara, against > > their will, and > > meet the Adi Shakti who will have no alternative (by > > your half-baked > > interpretation) but to destroy them? > > > > 4. Will She finish those SYs who happen to meet Her, > > even though > > they meditate without any desire to meet Her? > > > > 5. Alex, can you give me a single death throughout > > the millennia of > > Indian spiritual history of such destruction by a > > wrathful Divine > > Mother? (Will a Divine Father show more compassion?) > > > > 6. What is your advise since you have discovered a > > fatal flaw and > > latent life-threatening danger of meditating on Shri > > Mataji in the > > Sahasrara? > > > > jagbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The all-new My - Get yours free! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 You are still taking it personally. If you belive what you are typing then go on. I did not say throw away your book or close ur site. After all they are yours. I find this whole thing ridiculously idiotic. If i dont want to belive one out of 5 million SY's claims, then im perfectly justified in doing so. I believe mataji and what she says, nothing else. Any objections? --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: > > > > Alex, > > You say that you are even open to believing that i > might not be > lying!!?? Maybe i really believe what i say!!!?? > > Alex, you are just NOT getting it. Every time you > accuse me of > anything you are actually accusing Shri Mataji > indirectly. You just > do not seem to understand that Shri Mataji has READ, > UNDERSTOOD and > GIVEN HER BLESSINGS. > > In Toronto, Canada on September 18, 1997 i again > asked Her > permission to continue with the book in the presence > of leader Jay > Chudasama and other SYs. Shri Mataji told those > present that > permission had already been granted previously, and > there was no > need to ask again. > > i spontaneously raised my folded hands high above my > head in > Namaskar and exclaimed, " Jai Shri Mataji! " (Victory > to the > Mother!) The Great Divine Mother ended the meeting > with Her > blessings of Anant Ashirvad (Everlasting Blessings) > to me in my > endeavor. > > So are all these posts enough to convince you that > She KNOWS 100% > that i am writing about children meeting Her in the > Sahasrara? And i > am not talking about 10 times, 100 times or 1000 > times. i am talking > about 1000's of time over the last 10 years > ............. even > till today. Alex, She knows that all of us i.e., my > children and > myself are telling the truth. And since Shri Mataji > believes and has > agreed we are telling the truth who are you to > disagree? > > jagbir > > p.s. i would appreciate if you answer my questions > directly so that > we can all be enlightened by your expertise in these > matters. > > > shriadishakti , alex arthur > <dude11976> > wrote: > > Dear Jagbir, > > > > You are taking it personally. My intention was not > to > > hurt your ego and make you go on a rampage. TAke a > > chill pill and relax. I tired of saying it your > > > group and your website so you have 100 per cent > > freedom to post what you like. > > > > I am even open to believing that you might not be > > lying. Maybe you really believe what you say. Its > just > > that mataji has never ever said anythng about > meeting > > in the sahasrar. > > > > Never. > > > > If anything, she said there is a problem if you > think > > you are seeing me. > > > > You are going to mislead a lot of people by > talking of > > these visions. But then again, its your website > and > > group and im happy to read your posts. > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org> wrote: > > > > > > > > shriadishakti , alex > arthur > > > <dude11976> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Let me give you another half baked quote which > > > will > > > > also clear Jagbirs doubts on why SM has not > > > commented > > > > adversely on his book. In a certain tape > > > > (Chronologicallly, all these quotes are within > the > > > > first 15 tapes available in the delhi ashram > in > > > Saket) > > > > She said that People often claim having seen > me > > > etc > > > > but i know that they are lying. But i cannot > tell > > > them > > > > that because if they know that i know then > they > > > are > > > > 'finished' (end of half baked quote)Now, > > > 'finished' > > > > may mean different things to different > people...so > > > > dream away. > > > > > > > > > > 1. But why must my children be punished so > severely > > > even though they > > > never even desired anything in the first place? > > > Their only crimes > > > were that they joined Sahaja Yoga and started > > > meditating on Shri > > > Mataji. Has Sahaja Yoga suddenly become such a > > > life-threathening > > > spiritual path? > > > > > > 2. Are all other poor innocent SY children who > have > > > met the Adi > > > Shakti going to be punished through no fault of > > > theirs? > > > > > > 3. Should all SY children stop meditating > becuase > > > one fine day they > > > may just accidently enter the Sahasrara, against > > > their will, and > > > meet the Adi Shakti who will have no alternative > (by > > > your half-baked > > > interpretation) but to destroy them? > > > > > > 4. Will She finish those SYs who happen to meet > Her, > > > even though > > > they meditate without any desire to meet Her? > > > > > > 5. Alex, can you give me a single death > throughout > > > the millennia of > > > Indian spiritual history of such destruction by > a > > > wrathful Divine > > > Mother? (Will a Divine Father show more > compassion?) > > > > > > 6. What is your advise since you have discovered > a > > > fatal flaw and > > > latent life-threatening danger of meditating on > Shri > > > Mataji in the > > > Sahasrara? > > > > > > jagbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The all-new My - Get yours free! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 You are STILL not getting it Alex. You have all the right to disbelieve or deny anything. JUST DO NOT IMPLY/INTERPRET SHRI MATAJI SAID SO. DO NOT PUT WORDS IN HER MOUTH. Is that so difficult to understand? jagbir shriadishakti , alex arthur <dude11976> wrote: > You are still taking it personally. If you belive what > you are typing then go on. I did not say throw away > your book or close ur site. After all they are yours. > > > I find this whole thing ridiculously idiotic. If i > dont want to belive one out of 5 million SY's claims, > then im perfectly justified in doing so. > > I believe mataji and what she says, nothing else. Any > objections? > > --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Alex, > > > > You say that you are even open to believing that i > > might not be > > lying!!?? Maybe i really believe what i say!!!?? > > > > Alex, you are just NOT getting it. Every time you > > accuse me of > > anything you are actually accusing Shri Mataji > > indirectly. You just > > do not seem to understand that Shri Mataji has READ, > > UNDERSTOOD and > > GIVEN HER BLESSINGS. > > > > In Toronto, Canada on September 18, 1997 i again > > asked Her > > permission to continue with the book in the presence > > of leader Jay > > Chudasama and other SYs. Shri Mataji told those > > present that > > permission had already been granted previously, and > > there was no > > need to ask again. > > > > i spontaneously raised my folded hands high above my > > head in > > Namaskar and exclaimed, " Jai Shri Mataji! " (Victory > > to the > > Mother!) The Great Divine Mother ended the meeting > > with Her > > blessings of Anant Ashirvad (Everlasting Blessings) > > to me in my > > endeavor. > > > > So are all these posts enough to convince you that > > She KNOWS 100% > > that i am writing about children meeting Her in the > > Sahasrara? And i > > am not talking about 10 times, 100 times or 1000 > > times. i am talking > > about 1000's of time over the last 10 years > > ............. even > > till today. Alex, She knows that all of us i.e., my > > children and > > myself are telling the truth. And since Shri Mataji > > believes and has > > agreed we are telling the truth who are you to > > disagree? > > > > jagbir > > > > p.s. i would appreciate if you answer my questions > > directly so that > > we can all be enlightened by your expertise in these > > matters. > > > > > > shriadishakti , alex arthur > > <dude11976> > > wrote: > > > Dear Jagbir, > > > > > > You are taking it personally. My intention was not > > to > > > hurt your ego and make you go on a rampage. TAke a > > > chill pill and relax. I tired of saying it your > > > > > group and your website so you have 100 per cent > > > freedom to post what you like. > > > > > > I am even open to believing that you might not be > > > lying. Maybe you really believe what you say. Its > > just > > > that mataji has never ever said anythng about > > meeting > > > in the sahasrar. > > > > > > Never. > > > > > > If anything, she said there is a problem if you > > think > > > you are seeing me. > > > > > > You are going to mislead a lot of people by > > talking of > > > these visions. But then again, its your website > > and > > > group and im happy to read your posts. > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > shriadishakti , alex > > arthur > > > > <dude11976> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Let me give you another half baked quote which > > > > will > > > > > also clear Jagbirs doubts on why SM has not > > > > commented > > > > > adversely on his book. In a certain tape > > > > > (Chronologicallly, all these quotes are within > > the > > > > > first 15 tapes available in the delhi ashram > > in > > > > Saket) > > > > > She said that People often claim having seen > > me > > > > etc > > > > > but i know that they are lying. But i cannot > > tell > > > > them > > > > > that because if they know that i know then > > they > > > > are > > > > > 'finished' (end of half baked quote)Now, > > > > 'finished' > > > > > may mean different things to different > > people...so > > > > > dream away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. But why must my children be punished so > > severely > > > > even though they > > > > never even desired anything in the first place? > > > > Their only crimes > > > > were that they joined Sahaja Yoga and started > > > > meditating on Shri > > > > Mataji. Has Sahaja Yoga suddenly become such a > > > > life-threathening > > > > spiritual path? > > > > > > > > 2. Are all other poor innocent SY children who > > have > > > > met the Adi > > > > Shakti going to be punished through no fault of > > > > theirs? > > > > > > > > 3. Should all SY children stop meditating > > becuase > > > > one fine day they > > > > may just accidently enter the Sahasrara, against > > > > their will, and > > > > meet the Adi Shakti who will have no alternative > > (by > > > > your half-baked > > > > interpretation) but to destroy them? > > > > > > > > 4. Will She finish those SYs who happen to meet > > Her, > > > > even though > > > > they meditate without any desire to meet Her? > > > > > > > > 5. Alex, can you give me a single death > > throughout > > > > the millennia of > > > > Indian spiritual history of such destruction by > > a > > > > wrathful Divine > > > > Mother? (Will a Divine Father show more > > compassion?) > > > > > > > > 6. What is your advise since you have discovered > > a > > > > fatal flaw and > > > > latent life-threatening danger of meditating on > > Shri > > > > Mataji in the > > > > Sahasrara? > > > > > > > > jagbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The all-new My - Get yours free! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 shriadishakti , alex arthur <dude11976> wrote: > I believe mataji and what she says, nothing else. Any > objections? > Yes,there are some objections.Sahaja Yoga isn't about,,believing,,.SY is about experience...It's about connecting with the power who created you in the first place.SY is about meditation.Nobody asked you to believe anything.If you don't have the wisdom to understand this,than how can you control the weather?(idiotic challenge) Sincerely,danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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