Guest guest Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Hi all, I read all your postings and wondered wat is really u going on.I don't really understand how a person can be adi shakthi and enlighten others. If this is happening it can be only your projection of your own mind not the real. Reality is who is nameless cannot be known through any means , he is immeasurable and he is connected to any word or any means , he is totally unknown. Unknown cannot be known through your knowledge or cannot be given by anybody.Only the end of known comes the known.He cannot be invited, he comes to you. Not even a single person in the world ( nor jesus, nor buddha nor krishna ) might show you what it is .It is you have to understand not through the efforts of meditation but knowing yourself.Wat ever ur pratice shows your own projections. There is no freedom.If there is no freedom there is no god , there is no love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 shriadishakti , " v_radha_om " <v_radha_om> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I read all your postings and wondered wat is really u going on.I > don't really understand how a person can be adi shakthi and > enlighten others. If this is happening it can be only your > projection of your own mind not the real. Reality is who is > nameless cannot be known through any means , he is immeasurable > and he is connected to any word or any means , he is totally > unknown. Unknown cannot be known through your knowledge or cannot > be given by anybody.Only the end of known comes the known. He > cannot be invited, he comes to you. Not even a single person in > the world ( nor jesus, nor buddha nor krishna) might show you what > it is .It is you have to understand not through the efforts of > meditation but knowing yourself.Wat ever ur pratice shows your own > projections. There is no freedom.If there is no freedom there is > no god , there is no love. > This world is almost full of narrow religious humans with knowledge of that one road only in which they move. Anything else is incomprehensible to them, even dangerous and horrible. Let me give you a Kali Yuga example of the paths humans take believing it will lead them to enlightenment and the formless you are talking about (To make a point i have taken the post from another group): >> >> It may seem Tamasik for the beginners but some high level >> sadhaks won't have any differences in anything. Some aghoris >> even eat human flesh and still are in a very high spirituality >> level that nothing effects them. After all, all the paths lead to >> enlightenment. >> > > Here, we are back at the shit-eating level. If those practitioners > are so highly evolved they would not bother eating shit, human > flesh, drinking, or smoking dope. What would be the point? > > Are they convincing themselves that everything is the same? If > they don't know this already and have to resort to such dramatic > lessons for themselves, then how enlightened are they? It is > more probable that they are the least enlightened and seek > these graphic demonstrations as lessons for themselves. Their > vibration is so dense that only through such methods as the > above can they hope to grapple with the teaching that all is one > and arrive at an understanding of that it so. What is next? Will > they eat glass, crockery, a car? Just how dense are they? When > will they move from the concrete to the abstract? > > Yes, all paths lead to enlightenment but some of them take > centuries longer, tens of thousands of lifetimes longer and put > much more of a strain on the aspirant because of his/her tamas. > Not to mention the harm done to others along the aspirant's > route to enlightenment. Rather than revelling and wallowing in > one's tamasic nature, why not put more effort into rising above > tamas to at least rajas? Then sattva. Then... This would save the > aspirant much time and distress. > Shri Mataji saves the aspirants much time and distress by awakening their Kundalini for Self-realization and bestowing Knowledge for sustaining the Self-realization. Now i know why i am on Earth and why it is necessary to take part in the Great Event ordained for humanity. That is why one can be Adi Shakthi and enlighten others. However the point you are trying to impress is that of the formless. Since i know the Adi Shakti is within all Sahasraras i can go from Her external form to Her formless interior. The Shakti has given me evidence that She resides within me in my Sahasrara. That is again why one can be Adi Shakthi and enlighten others. i know and have realized my Self. jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Hi Jagbir, Onething is u ppl speak from ur own experiences and ur knowledge u gained all these days. How come knowledge can show something utterly nameless something which is unknown ? How can somebody can show u which is totally unknown ? if that is shown it will be only mere projection of ur thoughts or what ever u practised. To have communion with unknown u shud leave everything totally down,u shud be totally empty.It shud be direct and total not through anything.When u r direct and open it comes u uninvited, it flows like breeze on u , nothing has to be done.All forms of yoga and path are useless wat the tell are mere projections of ur own.u create ur image and live in that.If u r not free in any means it will not happen, when it comes it will be in a moment and it will be new and dynamic every second it is not something u have to remember and experience it something totally new. So don't try to put the words which u learned and experienced but come out has new , a very new without any knowledge of these.then u might have different view on ur life. shriadishakti , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org> wrote: > > shriadishakti , " v_radha_om " <v_radha_om> > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I read all your postings and wondered wat is really u going on.I > > don't really understand how a person can be adi shakthi and > > enlighten others. If this is happening it can be only your > > projection of your own mind not the real. Reality is who is > > nameless cannot be known through any means , he is immeasurable > > and he is connected to any word or any means , he is totally > > unknown. Unknown cannot be known through your knowledge or cannot > > be given by anybody.Only the end of known comes the known. He > > cannot be invited, he comes to you. Not even a single person in > > the world ( nor jesus, nor buddha nor krishna) might show you what > > it is .It is you have to understand not through the efforts of > > meditation but knowing yourself.Wat ever ur pratice shows your own > > projections. There is no freedom.If there is no freedom there is > > no god , there is no love. > > > > > This world is almost full of narrow religious humans with knowledge > of that one road only in which they move. Anything else is > incomprehensible to them, even dangerous and horrible. Let me give > you a Kali Yuga example of the paths humans take believing it will > lead them to enlightenment and the formless you are talking about > (To make a point i have taken the post from another group): > > >> > >> It may seem Tamasik for the beginners but some high level > >> sadhaks won't have any differences in anything. Some aghoris > >> even eat human flesh and still are in a very high spirituality > >> level that nothing effects them. After all, all the paths lead to > >> enlightenment. > >> > > > > Here, we are back at the shit-eating level. If those practitioners > > are so highly evolved they would not bother eating shit, human > > flesh, drinking, or smoking dope. What would be the point? > > > > Are they convincing themselves that everything is the same? If > > they don't know this already and have to resort to such dramatic > > lessons for themselves, then how enlightened are they? It is > > more probable that they are the least enlightened and seek > > these graphic demonstrations as lessons for themselves. Their > > vibration is so dense that only through such methods as the > > above can they hope to grapple with the teaching that all is one > > and arrive at an understanding of that it so. What is next? Will > > they eat glass, crockery, a car? Just how dense are they? When > > will they move from the concrete to the abstract? > > > > Yes, all paths lead to enlightenment but some of them take > > centuries longer, tens of thousands of lifetimes longer and put > > much more of a strain on the aspirant because of his/her tamas. > > Not to mention the harm done to others along the aspirant's > > route to enlightenment. Rather than revelling and wallowing in > > one's tamasic nature, why not put more effort into rising above > > tamas to at least rajas? Then sattva. Then... This would save the > > aspirant much time and distress. > > > > > Shri Mataji saves the aspirants much time and distress by awakening > their Kundalini for Self-realization and bestowing Knowledge for > sustaining the Self-realization. Now i know why i am on Earth and > why it is necessary to take part in the Great Event ordained for > humanity. That is why one can be Adi Shakthi and enlighten others. > > However the point you are trying to impress is that of the formless. > Since i know the Adi Shakti is within all Sahasraras i can go from > Her external form to Her formless interior. The Shakti has given me > evidence that She resides within me in my Sahasrara. That is again > why one can be Adi Shakthi and enlighten others. i know and have > realized my Self. > > jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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