Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Oh groan! I just reached Delhi and now a reply already. Im going to be here for a couple of years i guess so i'll have your claims verified by the collective leader...maybe this Saturday itelf. Lets see what he says. The fact remains that even in the speech you posted below (Which you had all along!), the only place you can see mataji is in ur dreams. Anything else is not normal. If you have so many speeches, maybe you should post one where she says that you can fly around in space and make shri hanuman rip open his chest. I was also amused at your last post where someone asked you how to enter the sahasrar. See! they already think you are something special. Mataji herself told you to leave the book alone now. But you didnt listen to her. You admitted it yourself in your last mails. She said she'll do the printing on her own. But no, you didnt listen. As for her approving your book, quit bluffing jagbir...no one can read 1200 pages in 30 minutes. You may have written 'Shriadishakti: The kingdom of god on every page'....im sure you didnt write 'My children enter the sahasrar everyday - here is what they say' This was my last post on this forum. I just realised that you are writing a book for commercial purposes. This website is just a place for you to get customers. No wonder sahaj yogis dont link to your site. ZERO links from what i could see. Further, you are just capitalising on the fact that new comers are not told anything when they join Sahaj yoga. The fact is there is no need to know anything. Silence inside is all that is required and the Adishakti fufills her promise. You however, are manipulating the hunger of the mind for your own benefit. THAT IS THE TRUTH! JAi Shri Mataji --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: > > > > To All, > > Leave this to me. i have just got the speech (below) > Alex is > referring to and will end his bulls**t once and for > all: > > ------------------ > > " We have another inherent problem. It is called as > Bhrama-darshan > — hallucinations. We start seeing hallucinations, > especially > people who take LSD and all such things. They do not > see Me. Some > times they just see light or any such hallucination > of the future, > or of the past. They may see Me as something else. > If you see Me in > your dreams it is alright. But you start seeing > something that's > called Bhrama-darshan. Bhrama means illusion. Then > you start > developing illusions. The worst part of it is that > people start > telling lies about it. I know about everyone. When > this Bhrama- > darshan starts it is the most dangerous thing for > vibrations > also. . . . > > Now two other big dangers, which we suffer from > apart from that; the > people get possessed and get ideas into their heads > . . . they do > not know from where they get this Knowledge. It's > something else > doing this . . . You do not know what madness people > may do when > they get possessed. . . Last danger which you should > know is that > you, that you start feeling that you have become > God, or like an > incarnation, or something. This is the biggest > danger. Then you > start taking law into your own hands and start > ordering others, or > doing all kinds of high-handed business, or get > over-satisfied with > yourself. This is a very big danger. " > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi > Caxton Hall, London, U.K. — December 10, 1979 > > -------------------- > > i just need some time to do this post up. > > In the meantime i suggest that Alex get some quality > ear-buds, from > Johnson & Johnson perhaps, and clear whatever is > blocking auditory > reception. If that doesn't help then i suggest a > good footsoak and > clearing of chakras. > > Apparently he still does not get it and is not happy > that Shri > Mataji is happy. He is hell-bent on proving > unconsciously that Shri > Mataji does not know what She has read and approved, > over and over > again. That, Alex, is a dangerous sign and indirect > accusation that > Shri Mataji's judgment and vibrations are suspect, > over and over > again. For some reason Alex reminds me of Simon > while he was still > in Sahaja Yoga. i really hope i am wrong. > > jagbir > > > > shriadishakti , alex arthur > <dude11976> > wrote: > > > > Dear Balwinder, > > > > The tape I was referring to was a speech given on > 10th > > December 1979. It is part of the 'revelations' > series. > > The topiic is 'Inherent Hurdles in sustaining our > self > > realisation and how to overcome them' > > > > On her tapes she calls Jagbir's claims of flying > > through galaxies as 'Bhrama Darshan' and says it > is > > dangerous. > > > > Jagbir, this is my last mail on this topic. There > is > > no need to send any more derogatory messages. Its > your > > and your website, please feel free to > post > > anything you like. > > > > Before anyone replies, please listen to the tape. > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Alex wrote ......no one can > read 1200 pages in 30 minutes. Alex,I can read more than that in 30 minutes,and I am not even Shri Mataji.....why you keep on insulting us?..Can you just sit down ,and meditate a little?...Or it is too much to ask from a fellow sahaja yogi?.. > Further, you are just capitalising on the fact that > new comers are not told anything when they join Sahaj > yoga. The fact is there is no need to know anything. > Silence inside is all that is required and the > Adishakti fufills her promise. You however, are > manipulating the hunger of the mind for your own > benefit. THAT IS THE TRUTH! Yes,this is the truth...You have to grow a brain..but remember the movie speed 2(don't grow a brain on me Jack!!)..Listen...are you Simon?...What it this,(and now I'm NOT in the mood..but I AM one of soldiers of SY)...what is this,,manipulating the hunger of the mind ,,??...This is idiotic,Alex,and I told you already not to behave like a child.Also,I told you in my previos posts that I don't like your vibrations...For your information,meditation is about transcending the mind,and connecting with GOD.What is the hunger of the mind has to do with anything?...Besides my bad vitrations about you(this is un understatement .....I also can feel every problem in your body,and,if you want,I can help you with them.If I heal you from a distance,maybe we can be friends?)I understand you.You want some powers and I/m gonna show you the powers.But please follow the truth,not the powers. Sincerely,Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 shriadishakti , alex arthur <dude11976> wrote: > Oh groan! I just reached Delhi and now a reply > already. Im going to be here for a couple of years i > guess so i'll have your claims verified by the > collective leader...maybe this Saturday itelf. Lets > see what he says. > Asking anyone's opinion is not going to change anything Shri Mataji has said. If just asking another SY can override what She has said then we are going to have a lot of division and breakaway groups when She leaves. You are just providing the spark to start future fires of conflict and dissent that will weaken Sahaja Yoga and play into the hands of negative people. > The fact remains that even in the speech you posted > below (Which you had all along!), the only place you > can see mataji is in ur dreams. Anything else is not > normal. > You are just not getting what She was trying to tell 25 years ago. i check the facts that i have first and then open my mouth. You open your mouth first and then search for twisted interpretations to fit your facts. Yes, it is true that all these are not normal: " they just see light " , " hallucination " , " developing illusions " , " start telling lies " , " get ideas into their heads " , " they get possessed " " you start feeling that you have become God, or like an incarnation, or something " , " start taking law into your own hands " , " start ordering others " , " doing all kinds of high-handed business " . Other than Simon and Ishmael, do you want me to name other adult SYs and Kalki wannabees who have done just that over the years? Have any SY child meeting Shri Mataji in the Sahasrara, not just my children, done any of the above? Have innocent children any reason to lie about Shri Mataji to their parents? > If you have so many speeches, maybe you should post > one where she says that you can fly around in space > and make shri hanuman rip open his chest. > Hindu scriptures confirm levitation is a mode of travel, and that Shri Sita and Rama reside in Shri Hanuman's chest. You want Shri Mataji to state all the mystical mysteries of the Sanatana Dharma just to induce believe in you!?? > I was also amused at your last post where someone > asked you how to enter the sahasrar. See! they already > think you are something special. > Shri Mataji and the deities are much more special. You think SYs want to imitate them and acquire similar powers? As Danny correctly observed no adult has ever seen Shri Mataji, only children. Those adult SYs who foolishly aspite can try so for the rest of their lives. > Mataji herself told you to leave the book alone now. > But you didnt listen to her. You admitted it yourself > in your last mails. She said she'll do the printing on > her own. But no, you didnt listen. As for her > approving your book, quit bluffing jagbir...no one can > read 1200 pages in 30 minutes. You may have written > 'Shriadishakti: The kingdom of god on every > page'....im sure you didnt write 'My children enter > the sahasrar everyday - here is what they say' > i have not bothered ever since She told that i should leave it to Her. What else do you want me to do? By saying that i am bluffing you are just NOT getting it. You just keep on accusing Shri Mataji indirectly again and again. What is the matter with you Alex? Can't you see for yourself what you are actually saying? > This was my last post on this forum. I just realised > that you are writing a book for commercial purposes. > This website is just a place for you to get customers. > No wonder sahaj yogis dont link to your site. ZERO > links from what i could see. > Hope you are not saying that Shri Mataji, who will get the book printed when She desires, has not encouraged me to write the book for commercial purposes. (Alex, you are really NOT getting it!) Anyway, with people like you sustaining the resistance, why print it in the first place? > Further, you are just capitalising on the fact that > new comers are not told anything when they join Sahaj > yoga. The fact is there is no need to know anything. > Silence inside is all that is required and the > Adishakti fufills her promise. You however, are > manipulating the hunger of the mind for your own > benefit. THAT IS THE TRUTH! > > EUREKA! You have given such a simple solution to spreading Sahaja Yoga. Now why didn't SYs think of this brilliant idea before? Just a question before we implement it - why have you manipulated your own mind and asked so many agitating questions despite your brilliant hypocritical insight? jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2004 Report Share Posted November 19, 2004 shriadishakti , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org> wrote: shriadishakti , alex arthur <dude11976> wrote: > Oh groan! I just reached Delhi and now a reply > already. Im going to be here for a couple of years i > guess so i'll have your claims verified by the > collective leader...maybe this Saturday itelf. Lets > see what he says. > Asking anyone's opinion is not going to change anything Shri Mataji has said. If just asking another SY can override what She has said then we are going to have a lot of division and breakaway groups when She leaves. You are just providing the spark to start future fires of conflict and dissent that will weaken Sahaja Yoga and play into the hands of negative people. Balwinder: The greatest damage IMHO that can be inflicted on SY will always be as a result of SYogi/nis promoting SYoga in their own way and misrepresenting Shree Mataji's teachings by giving their own intrepertations of Her teachings, misquoting Her and saying She said so when She never said so.Last but not least - by being poor role models of what She expects a SYogi/ni to be. > The fact remains that even in the speech you posted > below (Which you had all along!), the only place you > can see mataji is in ur dreams. Anything else is not > normal. > You are just not getting what She was trying to tell 25 years ago. i check the facts that i have first and then open my mouth. You open your mouth first and then search for twisted interpretations to fit your facts. Yes, it is true that all these are not normal: " they just see light " , " hallucination " , " developing illusions " , " start telling lies " , " get ideas into their heads " , " they get possessed " " you start feeling that you have become God, or like an incarnation, or something " , " start taking law into your own hands " , " start ordering others " , " doing all kinds of high-handed business " . Other than Simon and Ishmael, do you want me to name other adult SYs and Kalki wannabees who have done just that over the years? Have any SY child meeting Shri Mataji in the Sahasrara, not just my children, done any of the above? Have innocent children any reason to lie about Shri Mataji to their parents? > If you have so many speeches, maybe you should post > one where she says that you can fly around in space > and make shri hanuman rip open his chest. > Hindu scriptures confirm levitation is a mode of travel, and that Shri Sita and Rama reside in Shri Hanuman's chest. You want Shri Mataji to state all the mystical mysteries of the Sanatana Dharma just to induce believe in you!?? > I was also amused at your last post where someone > asked you how to enter the sahasrar. See! they already > think you are something special. > Shri Mataji and the deities are much more special. You think SYs want to imitate them and acquire similar powers? As Danny correctly observed no adult has ever seen Shri Mataji, only children. Those adult SYs who foolishly aspite can try so for the rest of their lives. Balwinder: It happens all over the world in all fields , you cannot stop people from thinking that you are special – even I have that problem occasionally and am sure some have had that experience.We must not let it get to our head and also ensure that the person knows the truth about us(as much as should be divulged) so that no false impressions are created. As far as I remember Jagbir has always said he cannot/has not achieved what his children have achieved even after 10yrs although he feels the cool breeze almost on a 24/7 basis. > Mataji herself told you to leave the book alone now. > But you didnt listen to her. You admitted it yourself > in your last mails. She said she'll do the printing on > her own. But no, you didnt listen. As for her > approving your book, quit bluffing jagbir...no one can > read 1200 pages in 30 minutes. You may have written > 'Shriadishakti: The kingdom of god on every > page'....im sure you didnt write 'My children enter > the sahasrar everyday - here is what they say' > i have not bothered ever since She told that i should leave it to Her. What else do you want me to do? By saying that i am bluffing you are just NOT getting it. You just keep on accusing Shri Mataji indirectly again and again. What is the matter with you Alex? Can't you see for yourself what you are actually saying? Balwinder: Some SYs of the Malaysian collective had a tough time coaxing Kash to talk about his experiences way back in 1995/6 and I was disappointed too about his indifference to this topic which was so amazing to us. > This was my last post on this forum. I just realised > that you are writing a book for commercial purposes. > This website is just a place for you to get customers. > No wonder sahaj yogis dont link to your site. ZERO > links from what i could see. > Hope you are not saying that Shri Mataji, who will get the book printed when She desires, has not encouraged me to write the book for commercial purposes. (Alex, you are really NOT getting it!) Anyway, with people like you sustaining the resistance, why print it in the first place? Balwinder: You really need help Alex if you really believe that all this is for commerce.Do not ever get the idea of profiting from Sahaja Yoga materially Alex - NEVER. > Further, you are just capitalising on the fact that > new comers are not told anything when they join Sahaj > yoga. The fact is there is no need to know anything. > Silence inside is all that is required and the > Adishakti fufills her promise. You however, are > manipulating the hunger of the mind for your own > benefit. THAT IS THE TRUTH! > > EUREKA! You have given such a simple solution to spreading Sahaja Yoga. Now why didn't SYs think of this brilliant idea before? Just a question before we implement it - why have you manipulated your own mind and asked so many agitating questions despite your brilliant hypocritical insight? jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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