Treatments are a part of Sahaj but why do SYs remain sick despite years?

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Dear All,

 

i received an email regarding the recent posts about subtle system

obsession among SYs:

 

" Treatments are a part of Sahaj. But I have found

footsoaking and balancing, shoebeating and ice pack

(for liver in summers - particularly in India as it is

a very hot country) necessary and sufficient for the

twelve months of the year.

 

This is particularly disappointing. However, no men

are created alike. Hence, the difference. "

 

 

Yes, treatments are part of Sahaja Yoga .......... a small part

indeed and not what SYs, especially the Yuvashakti have made them

into. i am sure there are hundreds of horror stories similar to that

of Danny.

 

i know how disheartening, guilt-inducing and confusing these

'catching' experiences are since i was also a victim. i just never

understood the endless diseases that SYs kept detecting in

themselves and all others, especially those new to Sahaja Yoga. How

can one's subtle system become so sick when the Shakti within has

awakened the Mother Kundalini and pierced the Sahasraras, a process

that takes so many rebirths and is the ultimate and highest path

leading to moksa? And then we have to resort to lemons and chillies

for the rest of our lives to heal simple problems!!? It just made no

sense to me.

 

For me the worst was where the local 'leader', a long-established

SY, went around examining scars on the body - any old cut, wound,

gash, lesion or injury. The location of the scar indicated your

present problems. A neck scar meant a Vishuddhi catch, a two-decades-

old cut on the forehead a sign of problems with Agnya, a herniated

disk meant shushumna nadi blockage ............... and what not.

 

i remember telling him after two years of treatments and footsoaking

that i have no more catches. He looked at me in disbelief and

announced his verdict in the collective: " There is no such thing

as 'no catches'. You will always have catches. "

 

A sinner like me, convicted by reason of physical injuries, had no

chance of being spiritually healthy ever. The (still) prevailing

mindset was that i will always remain catch-prone and sick according

to Sahaja Yoga subtle system diagnostic check-up. The only way to

stop catches would be to continue a daily ritual of footsoaks and

treatments for the rest of my life. (i believe his whole family

still religiously footsoaks and perform ritualistic treatments after

more than 20 years in Sahaja Yoga. This is just like taking all

sorts of medication for years and yet remain sick and diseased, with

no hope in sight.)

 

But i refused to believe such nonsense, especially after realizing

the ignorance of SYs regarding so many issues Shri Mataji spoke over

the years. i slowly realized why this was the case the world over.

The boated egos of subtle system expertise just blinded them to all

other truths and topics the Adi Shakti raised ever since She opened

the Sahasrara Chakra. The subtle system was one subject SYs thought

they had the monopoly and impress on all other seekers, including

ignorant fools like me. (i think it still has not sunk into them

that the subtle system is as irrelevant as the hundreds of yoga

teachers coaching tens of thousands in the same subject.)

 

But even though i stopped all footsoaking and treatments, leaving

everything to the Mother Kundalini, my wife continued these rituals.

At that time she was working the afternoon shift and came home

around 1.30 am. Without fail she would footsoak to rid herself of

all the catches, negativity and, perhaps, bhoots riding the

coattails of her fellow workers. After that there was meditation and

she finally went to bed around 2.30 or so in the morning.

 

This ritualistic conditioning learnt from the collective went on and

on and, knowing the discipline of my wife, knew she would not stop.

So i started by explaining to her that all these treatments are

unnecessary because the kundalini is infinitely more powerful than

all SY rituals put together. It took some weeks of coaxing before

her conditioned mind was ready to try what is generally regarded in

SY circles as taboo and tantamount to abandoning Shri Mataji's

teachings - no more ritualistic footsoaking and treatments.

 

She stopped footsoaking (and feeling guilty as well) and just asked

the Mother Kundalini to take care of the subtle system. And no more

ritualistic treatments.

 

That was about eight years ago. Till today she is free from all the

catches and sickly subtle system diseases that many SYs are famous

for, not that i envy them. i think they deserve being 'sick' for

mentally believing the 1001 reasons they will always catch. (That

list includes left-sided cats, scary spiders and bhootish bats.)

 

So those SYs who require daily shoebeating, footsoaking and other

treatments to remain catch-free and in balance please continue. But

please don't insist that others, especially those new to Sahaja

Yoga, must do the same. Please allow others to experiment and depend

solely on the Mother Kundalini to heal. Please do not prevent new

SYs from learning about the miraculous healing powers of kundalini.

 

Yes, treatments are a part of Sahaj but why do SYs remain sick

despite years? Well, those who regard a sneeze, cough, sniffle, burp

or gurgling stomach as a alarming sign of sickness requiring

immediate medical attention will always remain sick all their lives.

So will SYs living in this evil world, especially those with

hypersensitive subtle systems able to detect negativity in cats,

spiders and bats. So these SYs should just keep their ignorance to

themselves and i don't mean to bruise any egos.

 

Jai Shri Mataji,

 

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

jagbir,

 

Thank you! You hit the nail on the head

 

Inner Peace,

 

Matt

[Guest guest]

shriadishakti , " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

>

> i know how disheartening, guilt-inducing and confusing these

> 'catching' experiences are since i was also a victim. i just never

> understood the endless diseases that SYs kept detecting in

> themselves and all others, especially those new to Sahaja Yoga.

> How can one's subtle system become so sick when the Shakti within

> has awakened the Mother Kundalini and pierced the Sahasraras, a

> process that takes so many rebirths and is the ultimate and

> highest path leading to moksa? And then we have to resort to

> lemons and chillies for the rest of our lives to heal simple

> problems!!? It just made no sense to me.

>

> For me the worst was where the local 'leader', a long-established

> SY, went around examining scars on the body - any old cut, wound,

> gash, lesion or injury. The location of the scar indicated your

> present problems. A neck scar meant a Vishuddhi catch, a two-

> decades- old cut on the forehead a sign of problems with Agnya, a

> herniated disk meant shushumna nadi blockage ............... and

> what not.

>

>

 

divinesahajayoga

" Ms Armaity Bhabha " <armaitybhabha

Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:07:34 -0800 (PST)

Re: DivineSahajayoga re: there's something terribly wrong.

 

 

Hi Marilyn,

 

JSM !

 

You have put it very nicely and briefly what all

Sahaja Yogis should know.

 

Infact when our chakras take up problem of others and

we do not have an ego about it, we are helping our

beloved Mother in Her great task of clearing and

cleaning the creation. Many SYs have a wrong idea that

if there is anything wrong with you physically, they

have to keep away from you and some even go to the

ridiculous degree to feel that something is terribly

wrong if a Sahaja Yogi dies.

 

Love & regards,

 

from your sister in Mumbai,

 

Armaity.

[Guest guest]

--- jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote:

>

> For me the worst was where the local 'leader', a

long-established

> SY, went around examining scars on the body - any

old cut, wound,

> gash, lesion or injury. The location of the scar

indicated your

> present problems. A neck scar meant a Vishuddhi

catch, a two-

> decades- old cut on the forehead a sign of problems

with Agnya, a

> herniated disk meant shushumna nadi blockage

................ and

> what not.

>

 

Jagbir,

 

Could you elaborate a little further on this if

possible. I understand that this 'leader' probably

gave you misery with his wopped ideas, he definitely

went overboard. I completely agree.

 

However, there may be a 'little' truth in this. I dont

have a complete understanding of this as yet, when i

do, I will share it with you. At present what i have

read elsewhere leads me to believe that scars, scabs,

moles....are not positive signs. They do indicate

negativity. (i dont know more) This obviously does not

hold true for scars from wounds or herniated discs.

 

Warm regards,

Avnish

 

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Dear Danny,

 

Intelligent reply. Perhaps you'd like to ponder on

whether this 'leader' who i presume got his

'leadership' from Shri Mataji herself, under her

guidance and 'guruship', procures his knowledge from

the fantasy land he visits in his sleep or from her

holiness directly.

 

It is possible he may have taken her teaching to an

extreme and included even age old physical injuries to

the list of things to look out for. But as far as the

moles go, i suggest you be open to what he said.

 

It is also for this reason that this knowledge is not

available freely in lectures, because it involves the

inner depths of spirituality. Things that the masses

cannot accept nor understand in the early days of

sahaja yoga. Perhaps, they are also not so significant

once a persons kundalini is awakened sufficiently to

deal with the problem.

 

On a similar note, i also heard a speech where she

quite ambigiously asks people on the sahaj path to

stay collective. This is not from the well know

perspective of faster growth due to stronger

vibrations, but due to the dangers of isolation. I do

not have experience enough to elaborate on this

further. As for bhoots and bhaddas are considered,

they are obviously real. I do not see them as the

reason why people dont believe or take to sahaja yoga.

The common theory that the lemons and chillies and

ghosts are responsible for driving people away is

false. Neophytes dont even come to know of these

things till they are settled into Sahaja yoga. In the

first place the information is not shared and in the

second, it isnt required.

 

Since the proof of the pudding lies......and you are

such an advanced yogi, perhaps you'd like to read my

chakras. It may not be applicable now, but right

behind my centre heart is a lesion of sorts. Its been

there for a while. Correspondingly, i've had problems

of the centre heart for as long as i can remember.

Coincidence? MAybe!

 

Alex

--- kriptodanny <kriptodanny wrote:

 

>

> shriadishakti , Avnish Bhagat

> <avnishbhagat> wrote:

> > --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org> wrote:

> > >

> > > For me the worst was where the local 'leader', a

> > long-established

> > > SY, went around examining scars on the body -

> any

> > old cut, wound,

> > > gash, lesion or injury. The location of the scar

> > indicated your

> > > present problems. A neck scar meant a Vishuddhi

> > catch, a two-

> > > decades- old cut on the forehead a sign of

> problems

> > with Agnya, a

> > > herniated disk meant shushumna nadi blockage

> > ............... and

> > > what not.

> > >

> >

> > Jagbir,

> >

> > Could you elaborate a little further on this if

> > possible. I understand that this 'leader' probably

> > gave you misery with his wopped ideas, he

> definitely

> > went overboard. I completely agree.

> >

> > However, there may be a 'little' truth in this. I

> dont

> > have a complete understanding of this as yet, when

> i

> > do, I will share it with you. At present what i

> have

> > read elsewhere leads me to believe that scars,

> scabs,

> > moles....are not positive signs. They do indicate

> > negativity. (i dont know more) This obviously does

> not

> > hold true for scars from wounds or herniated

> discs.

> >

> > Warm regards,

> > Avnish

>

> Dear Avnish

> You say,,scars,scabs,moles, are not positive

> signs...This means they

> are negative?...how do you know they are,,signs,, in

> the first place?

> the ,,little truth,, you talk about has nothing to

> do with The Truth.

> It's not enough SY's are afraid of spiders,cats and

> vampires,now we

> have to add to this long list the moles and

> scars?..tell me,there is

> any negativity that Mother Kundalini can't purify?..

> As I write this,I see a giant spider coming down

> from the sealing...I

> gotta type fast,before it gets me...no...too

> late..where are you

> taking me,beast?..aghhhhh

> danny

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