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Jagbir,

 

I have been reading the archives as you suggested. I

have not read all of it, but there are some questions

I would like to ask.

 

You wrote something...that Shri Mataji does nothing,

it is just the energy that works. That Shri Mataji as

a person is not important.

 

If Shri Mataji is not important and it does not matter

what she does, does it really matter if people don't

recognize her or don't love her. Does it really matter

if they say some other guru is God or Goddess?

 

I know you are sure about her being the Goddess

because of your children's experiences (and I think it

is a great blessing), but there are so many miracle

stories told by so many other people who follow other

gurus and religions that it is impossible for most

people to say which story is right and which is not

right.

 

I don't know if I made my thoughts clear. And I hope

my questions are not insulting to any of the forum

members. I keep reading the archives.

 

Oh, what is Simon's cult?

 

Dasi

 

 

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shriadishakti , A L <vindhyavasinidasi>

wrote:

> Jagbir,

>

> I have been reading the archives as you suggested. I

> have not read all of it, but there are some questions

> I would like to ask.

>

> You wrote something...that Shri Mataji does nothing,

> it is just the energy that works. That Shri Mataji as

> a person is not important.

>

> If Shri Mataji is not important and it does not matter

> what she does, does it really matter if people don't

> recognize her or don't love her. Does it really matter

> if they say some other guru is God or Goddess?

>

> I know you are sure about her being the Goddess

> because of your children's experiences (and I think it

> is a great blessing), but there are so many miracle

> stories told by so many other people who follow other

> gurus and religions that it is impossible for most

> people to say which story is right and which is not

> right.

>

> I don't know if I made my thoughts clear. And I hope

> my questions are not insulting to any of the forum

> members. I keep reading the archives.

>

> Oh, what is Simon's cult?

>

> Dasi

>

>

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi IS the incarnation of the Goddess, the

Shakti within. The same claim is made by a number of ammas and

bhagwans. Check their credentials and try verifying with the Bible,

Koran and other scriptures. Let me know when you find sufficient

proof.

 

Simon Dicon Montford is the self-proclaimed prophet who, along with

a handful of his followers, is carrying out a campaign to discredit

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. I call him a prophet because of his past

claims that he is one, and received divine revelations about who he

was in his past life and his mission on Earth. This culminated

into " a sect within a sect " and then, after being told to leave,

evolved into anti-Sahaja Yoga websites which are all crafted and

controlled by him.

 

More info of his cult is available at:

 

http://www.adishakti.org/simon_d_montford.htm

 

 

BTW, Jedi is a long serving disciple of his.

 

 

jagbir

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Jagbir,

 

Is that web page yours? I don't know what to think. It

is so full of hatred. Maybe many things written there

are correct, but calling someone a demon or ally of

the Antichrist is heartless. I have been reading the

archives of talk-about-sahaja-yoga forum and I have

not found a message by Simon which would be rude,

nasty or demonic. And if he is a cult leader he has

hidden it very well. To me he looks like an ordinary

skeptic. And I know many skeptics who are very honest,

sincere and good people. Sometimes I think that

although their lips say that there is no God there is

more God in their hearts than in the hearts of most

believers.

 

All others but Jedi have been kind and nice on the

forum. It is quite difficult to believe that it is a

cult.

 

Dasi

 

 

>

> Simon Dicon Montford is the self-proclaimed prophet

> who, along with

> a handful of his followers, is carrying out a

> campaign to discredit

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. I call him a prophet

> because of his past

> claims that he is one, and received divine

> revelations about who he

> was in his past life and his mission on Earth. This

> culminated

> into " a sect within a sect " and then, after being

> told to leave,

> evolved into anti-Sahaja Yoga websites which are all

> crafted and

> controlled by him.

>

> More info of his cult is available at:

>

> http://www.adishakti.org/simon_d_montford.htm

>

>

> BTW, Jedi is a long serving disciple of his.

>

>

> jagbir

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

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shriadishakti , A L <vindhyavasinidasi>

wrote:

> Jagbir,

>

> Is that web page yours? I don't know what to think. It

> is so full of hatred. Maybe many things written there

> are correct, but calling someone a demon or ally of

> the Antichrist is heartless. I have been reading the

> archives of talk-about-sahaja-yoga forum and I have

> not found a message by Simon which would be rude,

> nasty or demonic. And if he is a cult leader he has

> hidden it very well. To me he looks like an ordinary

> skeptic. And I know many skeptics who are very honest,

> sincere and good people. Sometimes I think that

> although their lips say that there is no God there is

> more God in their hearts than in the hearts of most

> believers.

>

> All others but Jedi have been kind and nice on the

> forum. It is quite difficult to believe that it is a

> cult.

>

>

 

Simon was once a staunch disciple of Shri Mataji and belieivng in

Her proclamation that the Last Judgment and Resurrection has begun.

 

Then something went wrong in his mind and he swore that he was the

reincarnation of the biblical Joseph of Arimathea, the uncle of

Jesus. After that that mind warped even more as he claimed the title

of Shri Rama for himself.

 

To cut a long story short he was on the verge of killing SY leaders

because voices in his head were commanding him. That is when Shri

Mataji told him to leave Sahaja Yoga, and something that his warped

mind told him Shri Mataji is a false guru.

 

Ever since the late 1980's Simon went on a campaign to discredit

Her. i am sure if his claim of being Prophet Jospeh/Shri Rama was

recognized by Shri Mataji he would have been championing Her cause

to high heaven.

 

But She did not. Instead he was told to leave Sahaja Yoga before

those voices in his head did some deadly damage to living humans.

 

Now he very actively leads a small group of people against Shri

Mataji.

 

But it is not as simple as you think. He is in reality campaigning

against the Divine Message for humanity i.e. God plan for all His

children. If that does qualify him as an Antichrist element then

what will? And Dasi you have forgotten that Vedic defination of

rakshasha (demon). As far as i am concerned even murderers do not

qualify for that title. But those who prevent/disturb humans from

God-realization have always been called demons (rakshasha). Perhaps

now all Hindus are heartless, by your judgment, for believing in

that definition. Let me quote:

 

" According to Hinduism, demons are either beings that appeared

through the primordial act of manifestation, or humans that didn't

follow their duty (dharma) or performed bad deeds during their

lifetime. Consequently they reincarnate as evil beings which cause

much suffering in the world. However, the evil they do is not

arbitrary, as the law of karma makes sure that the humans afflicted

by demons are justly punished for their own bad deeds performed in

previous lives. Therefore, from a global point of view the demons'

bad deeds must be seen as necessary in balancing karma. On the other

hand, the demon stage of existence is limited, and eventually there

is reincarnation back into human form and henceforth a new chance

given to attain liberation. ...

 

As long as karma operates in the world, the killing of a demon has a

very limited effect. It doesn't guarantee that the demon will not

create problems in his next existence. According to the

reincarnation doctrine, only one's physical frame can be " killed "

(see Bhagavad Gita 2,19), not the " infinite, immortal soul " . For

this reason, demons never stop creating problems, so there are

necessary periodical incarnations of the divine, at least 10 in each

mahayuga. As the periodical manifestation of the world created by

Vishnu never ends, so does the affliction of it by the demons.

Therefore, the solution of killing the demons by the avatars is only

a short-term solution to the problem of evil in the world. "

 

Maybe Dasi you should villify Shri Vishnu and other avtaras for

PHYSICALLY killing demons - you know with all the blood, gore,

headless bodies and crying, cursing, chest-thumping relatives. i

think that avatars have committed far henious crime than me calling

Simon a demon. i don't think words can break bones as effectively as

Shri rama's mace.

 

And you believe that in skeptical atheists like Simon " there is more

God in their hearts than in the hearts of most believers. " i wonder

what billions of believers will think of that. You seem to like

Simon more than Shri Mataji and speak of him in very flattering

terms.

 

Dasi, you do make very strange statements and judgments. Maybe Simon

can recommend you a Goddess to believe in. Since Shri Mataji cannot

enlighten you Simon and company may just present you with what karma

has in store for you. After all, he has more God in his heart. You

are the first to make that frightening statement. i have now little

doubt as to the direction the karma of your past lives may be taking

you. Take care.

 

jagbir

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> To cut a long story short he was on the verge of

> killing SY leaders

> because voices in his head were commanding him. That

> is when Shri

> Mataji told him to leave Sahaja Yoga, and something

> that his warped

> mind told him Shri Mataji is a false guru.

 

So Simon was having serious mental problems. Instead

of getting some good professional care for him he was

thrown out, if I undestood this correctly. I think

this was irresponsible, to him and to those people he

might trouble.

 

 

 

> And you believe that in skeptical atheists like

> Simon " there is more

> God in their hearts than in the hearts of most

> believers. "

 

Probably not all of them, but many of those I know. I

don't know Simon personally, so I can't say anything

about him.

 

i wonder

> what billions of believers will think of that. You

> seem to like

> Simon more than Shri Mataji and speak of him in very

> flattering

> terms.

 

I just said it is difficult for me to believe he is a

demon or a cult leader. I don't believe you are a

demon either. Is it flattering?

 

> Dasi, you do make very strange statements and

> judgments. Maybe Simon

> can recommend you a Goddess to believe in. Since

> Shri Mataji cannot

> enlighten you Simon and company may just present you

> with what karma

> has in store for you. After all, he has more God in

> his heart. You

> are the first to make that frightening statement. i

> have now little

> doubt as to the direction the karma of your past

> lives may be taking

> you. Take care.

 

So I will become a demon if I believe that a skeptic

can have goodness and truth in his/her heart? I don't

need Simon or anybody to pick me a goddess. And I

don't have to read these insults any more.

 

Dasi

 

 

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shriadishakti , A L <vindhyavasinidasi>

wrote:

>

>

> > To cut a long story short he was on the verge of

> > killing SY leaders

> > because voices in his head were commanding him. That

> > is when Shri

> > Mataji told him to leave Sahaja Yoga, and something

> > that his warped

> > mind told him Shri Mataji is a false guru.

>

> So Simon was having serious mental problems. Instead

> of getting some good professional care for him he was

> thrown out, if I undestood this correctly. I think

> this was irresponsible, to him and to those people he

> might trouble.

>

 

Dasi,

 

i was trying to reply but got a bad back agnya catch. Just take care

of yourself.

 

jagbir

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