Guest guest Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 Jagbir, I have been reading the archives as you suggested. I have not read all of it, but there are some questions I would like to ask. You wrote something...that Shri Mataji does nothing, it is just the energy that works. That Shri Mataji as a person is not important. If Shri Mataji is not important and it does not matter what she does, does it really matter if people don't recognize her or don't love her. Does it really matter if they say some other guru is God or Goddess? I know you are sure about her being the Goddess because of your children's experiences (and I think it is a great blessing), but there are so many miracle stories told by so many other people who follow other gurus and religions that it is impossible for most people to say which story is right and which is not right. I don't know if I made my thoughts clear. And I hope my questions are not insulting to any of the forum members. I keep reading the archives. Oh, what is Simon's cult? Dasi ______________________ Messenger - Communicate instantly... " Ping " your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger./download/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 shriadishakti , A L <vindhyavasinidasi> wrote: > Jagbir, > > I have been reading the archives as you suggested. I > have not read all of it, but there are some questions > I would like to ask. > > You wrote something...that Shri Mataji does nothing, > it is just the energy that works. That Shri Mataji as > a person is not important. > > If Shri Mataji is not important and it does not matter > what she does, does it really matter if people don't > recognize her or don't love her. Does it really matter > if they say some other guru is God or Goddess? > > I know you are sure about her being the Goddess > because of your children's experiences (and I think it > is a great blessing), but there are so many miracle > stories told by so many other people who follow other > gurus and religions that it is impossible for most > people to say which story is right and which is not > right. > > I don't know if I made my thoughts clear. And I hope > my questions are not insulting to any of the forum > members. I keep reading the archives. > > Oh, what is Simon's cult? > > Dasi > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi IS the incarnation of the Goddess, the Shakti within. The same claim is made by a number of ammas and bhagwans. Check their credentials and try verifying with the Bible, Koran and other scriptures. Let me know when you find sufficient proof. Simon Dicon Montford is the self-proclaimed prophet who, along with a handful of his followers, is carrying out a campaign to discredit Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. I call him a prophet because of his past claims that he is one, and received divine revelations about who he was in his past life and his mission on Earth. This culminated into " a sect within a sect " and then, after being told to leave, evolved into anti-Sahaja Yoga websites which are all crafted and controlled by him. More info of his cult is available at: http://www.adishakti.org/simon_d_montford.htm BTW, Jedi is a long serving disciple of his. jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 Jagbir, Is that web page yours? I don't know what to think. It is so full of hatred. Maybe many things written there are correct, but calling someone a demon or ally of the Antichrist is heartless. I have been reading the archives of talk-about-sahaja-yoga forum and I have not found a message by Simon which would be rude, nasty or demonic. And if he is a cult leader he has hidden it very well. To me he looks like an ordinary skeptic. And I know many skeptics who are very honest, sincere and good people. Sometimes I think that although their lips say that there is no God there is more God in their hearts than in the hearts of most believers. All others but Jedi have been kind and nice on the forum. It is quite difficult to believe that it is a cult. Dasi > > Simon Dicon Montford is the self-proclaimed prophet > who, along with > a handful of his followers, is carrying out a > campaign to discredit > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. I call him a prophet > because of his past > claims that he is one, and received divine > revelations about who he > was in his past life and his mission on Earth. This > culminated > into " a sect within a sect " and then, after being > told to leave, > evolved into anti-Sahaja Yoga websites which are all > crafted and > controlled by him. > > More info of his cult is available at: > > http://www.adishakti.org/simon_d_montford.htm > > > BTW, Jedi is a long serving disciple of his. > > > jagbir > > > > > > > ______________________ Messenger - Communicate instantly... " Ping " your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger./download/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 shriadishakti , A L <vindhyavasinidasi> wrote: > Jagbir, > > Is that web page yours? I don't know what to think. It > is so full of hatred. Maybe many things written there > are correct, but calling someone a demon or ally of > the Antichrist is heartless. I have been reading the > archives of talk-about-sahaja-yoga forum and I have > not found a message by Simon which would be rude, > nasty or demonic. And if he is a cult leader he has > hidden it very well. To me he looks like an ordinary > skeptic. And I know many skeptics who are very honest, > sincere and good people. Sometimes I think that > although their lips say that there is no God there is > more God in their hearts than in the hearts of most > believers. > > All others but Jedi have been kind and nice on the > forum. It is quite difficult to believe that it is a > cult. > > Simon was once a staunch disciple of Shri Mataji and belieivng in Her proclamation that the Last Judgment and Resurrection has begun. Then something went wrong in his mind and he swore that he was the reincarnation of the biblical Joseph of Arimathea, the uncle of Jesus. After that that mind warped even more as he claimed the title of Shri Rama for himself. To cut a long story short he was on the verge of killing SY leaders because voices in his head were commanding him. That is when Shri Mataji told him to leave Sahaja Yoga, and something that his warped mind told him Shri Mataji is a false guru. Ever since the late 1980's Simon went on a campaign to discredit Her. i am sure if his claim of being Prophet Jospeh/Shri Rama was recognized by Shri Mataji he would have been championing Her cause to high heaven. But She did not. Instead he was told to leave Sahaja Yoga before those voices in his head did some deadly damage to living humans. Now he very actively leads a small group of people against Shri Mataji. But it is not as simple as you think. He is in reality campaigning against the Divine Message for humanity i.e. God plan for all His children. If that does qualify him as an Antichrist element then what will? And Dasi you have forgotten that Vedic defination of rakshasha (demon). As far as i am concerned even murderers do not qualify for that title. But those who prevent/disturb humans from God-realization have always been called demons (rakshasha). Perhaps now all Hindus are heartless, by your judgment, for believing in that definition. Let me quote: " According to Hinduism, demons are either beings that appeared through the primordial act of manifestation, or humans that didn't follow their duty (dharma) or performed bad deeds during their lifetime. Consequently they reincarnate as evil beings which cause much suffering in the world. However, the evil they do is not arbitrary, as the law of karma makes sure that the humans afflicted by demons are justly punished for their own bad deeds performed in previous lives. Therefore, from a global point of view the demons' bad deeds must be seen as necessary in balancing karma. On the other hand, the demon stage of existence is limited, and eventually there is reincarnation back into human form and henceforth a new chance given to attain liberation. ... As long as karma operates in the world, the killing of a demon has a very limited effect. It doesn't guarantee that the demon will not create problems in his next existence. According to the reincarnation doctrine, only one's physical frame can be " killed " (see Bhagavad Gita 2,19), not the " infinite, immortal soul " . For this reason, demons never stop creating problems, so there are necessary periodical incarnations of the divine, at least 10 in each mahayuga. As the periodical manifestation of the world created by Vishnu never ends, so does the affliction of it by the demons. Therefore, the solution of killing the demons by the avatars is only a short-term solution to the problem of evil in the world. " Maybe Dasi you should villify Shri Vishnu and other avtaras for PHYSICALLY killing demons - you know with all the blood, gore, headless bodies and crying, cursing, chest-thumping relatives. i think that avatars have committed far henious crime than me calling Simon a demon. i don't think words can break bones as effectively as Shri rama's mace. And you believe that in skeptical atheists like Simon " there is more God in their hearts than in the hearts of most believers. " i wonder what billions of believers will think of that. You seem to like Simon more than Shri Mataji and speak of him in very flattering terms. Dasi, you do make very strange statements and judgments. Maybe Simon can recommend you a Goddess to believe in. Since Shri Mataji cannot enlighten you Simon and company may just present you with what karma has in store for you. After all, he has more God in his heart. You are the first to make that frightening statement. i have now little doubt as to the direction the karma of your past lives may be taking you. Take care. jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 > To cut a long story short he was on the verge of > killing SY leaders > because voices in his head were commanding him. That > is when Shri > Mataji told him to leave Sahaja Yoga, and something > that his warped > mind told him Shri Mataji is a false guru. So Simon was having serious mental problems. Instead of getting some good professional care for him he was thrown out, if I undestood this correctly. I think this was irresponsible, to him and to those people he might trouble. > And you believe that in skeptical atheists like > Simon " there is more > God in their hearts than in the hearts of most > believers. " Probably not all of them, but many of those I know. I don't know Simon personally, so I can't say anything about him. i wonder > what billions of believers will think of that. You > seem to like > Simon more than Shri Mataji and speak of him in very > flattering > terms. I just said it is difficult for me to believe he is a demon or a cult leader. I don't believe you are a demon either. Is it flattering? > Dasi, you do make very strange statements and > judgments. Maybe Simon > can recommend you a Goddess to believe in. Since > Shri Mataji cannot > enlighten you Simon and company may just present you > with what karma > has in store for you. After all, he has more God in > his heart. You > are the first to make that frightening statement. i > have now little > doubt as to the direction the karma of your past > lives may be taking > you. Take care. So I will become a demon if I believe that a skeptic can have goodness and truth in his/her heart? I don't need Simon or anybody to pick me a goddess. And I don't have to read these insults any more. Dasi ______________________ Messenger - Communicate instantly... " Ping " your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger./download/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 shriadishakti , A L <vindhyavasinidasi> wrote: > > > > To cut a long story short he was on the verge of > > killing SY leaders > > because voices in his head were commanding him. That > > is when Shri > > Mataji told him to leave Sahaja Yoga, and something > > that his warped > > mind told him Shri Mataji is a false guru. > > So Simon was having serious mental problems. Instead > of getting some good professional care for him he was > thrown out, if I undestood this correctly. I think > this was irresponsible, to him and to those people he > might trouble. > Dasi, i was trying to reply but got a bad back agnya catch. Just take care of yourself. jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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