Well said Dasi, Madhurima and Calugar

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I am very impressed with your replies. I was also reading mails by Madhurima asking questions to Jagbir Ji. But you see it is quite simple. For some reason, you think Mr. Jagbir has answers. Both of you think that his meditation is perfect and that he is an advanced sahaja yogi. Maybe because he cuts and pastes articles from different newspapers and websites over here.

 

I dont know the truth about his progress in our yoga and it frankly does not matter. Simon has messaged me too sometimes. It is ok, he does not want to follow the yoga...that is his choice.

 

Back to Jagbir, how are you sure he is following Shri Mataji's teachings? How are you sure his mediatation is of the highest order? How are you sure he has attained at least Nirvichara Samadhi? How are you sure he is telling the truth about his children flying in the cosmos during meditation? Even i read his mail that his children met shri hanumana and he opened his chest to show shri rama. I found it funny but i kept quiet. Some other fellow asked him common sense questions and Jagbir Ji got angry and i think stopped his emails in the forum OR he left himself.

 

Jagbir Ji, please dont get angry at my mail. We all 'think' differently. Our objective is to be thoughtless...not go on expressing different thoughts.

 

I know you think remedies given by Her Holiness, The one and only Adishakti are complete non-sense, though she herself has said that we must footsoak and shoebeat EVERY DAY! SHE ------THE ADISHAKTI has said that, but maybe you are wiser, i dont know. As far as I can tell, YOUR RIGHT SWADISHTAN is over activated, that is why you are so harsh. Put your left hand on it and take shri Himalaya mantra and see the change in yourself.

 

You underetimate the power of Shri Mataji. When she gives us a remedy, she knows what she is talking about. The Univerese is governed by rules and she knows those rules, that is why she tells us.

 

As for you Dasi, I could not read the detisl of all your mails, but even if you think Shri Mataji is harsh, please know that she is beyond humility. Giing realisation to thousands of people and constntly meditating on her bhaktas, whil in human form, is very stresing on the human body. Even if you have left, get back in, use her photograph only, it i better if you go to collectives but ok if you dont...but dont miss this chance. I have never heard or sen or read of any other yoga helping human beings make so much progress on the spiritual path. It must be experienced to be understood.

JAI SHRI MATAJI

 

Vinay

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> To cut a long story short he was on the verge of

> killing SY leaders

> because voices in his head were commanding him. That

> is when Shri

> Mataji told him to leave Sahaja Yoga, and something

> that his warped

> mind told him Shri Mataji is a false guru.

 

So Simon was having serious mental problems. Instead

of getting some good professional care for him he was

thrown out, if I undestood this correctly. I think

this was irresponsible, to him and to those people he

might trouble.

 

 

 

> And you believe that in skeptical atheists like

> Simon " there is more

> God in their hearts than in the hearts of most

> believers. "

 

Probably not all of them, but many of those I know. I

don't know Simon personally, so I can't say anything

about him.

 

i wonder

> what billions of believers will think of that. You

> seem to like

> Simon more than Shri Mataji and speak of him in very

> flattering

> terms.

 

I just said it is difficult for me to believe he is a

demon or a cult leader. I don't believe you are a

demon either. Is it flattering?

 

> Dasi, you do make very strange statements and

> judgments. Maybe Simon

> can recommend you a Goddess to believe in. Since

> Shri Mataji cannot

> enlighten you Simon and company may just present you

> with what karma

> has in store for you. After all, he has more God in

> his heart. You

> are the first to make that frightening statement. i

> have now little

> doubt as to the direction the karma of your past

> lives may be taking

> you. Take care.

 

So I will become a demon if I believe that a skeptic

can have goodness and truth in his/her heart? I don't

need Simon or anybody to pick me a goddess. And I

don't have to read these insults any more.

 

Dasi

 

 

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HI Vinay,Jai Shri Mataji,What U think, Kindly understand what jagbirji wanna convey to all. He never says that he is governing this site or forum or sahajayogi. & what u know about simon ???? did you know him personally??? r u still keeps relation with him??? What type of sahajayogi u r??? We all have to obey the instructions of shri mataji...without asking single question,because we all her son & she knows everything.so as i request you dont keep anytype of relations with simon mail's & him.

i agree he copy & paste knowledge material on this forum, but he never eat itself & share all things among others.He never invite us or you on this forum,but we come here by our wish & keep coming.

Do u check his vibration before stating about him. If not pls check & told him. In sahajayoga , we are not here to check position of others kundalini but our own.

& wht u say...u r not believing that he's son saw hanumana....why not...on my first day i saw trigunatmika...myself.

So...pls. dont repeat same mistake again.

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Jai Shri Mataji all

 

I think its time for us to realize the message of Shri Mataji and

Sahaja Yoga. Of course Shri Mataji has given us the benefits of foot

soaking and other treatment methods but at the same time she has

stressed upon the message of " Know Thyself " . If one does not get to

know his/her true self then I believe that he/she has not realized

the importance of Sahaja Yoga.

 

I believe the issue is not whether we should do foot soaking or not.

The issue is what are we here to seek? And for that end, I think its

for each individual to decide how much of treatments should he do.

But at the same time one needs to introspect and evaluate if the

problem is with the chakras or with one's belief/bhakti/surrender. So

in the end one needs to be honest and realize that footsoaking will

not help if one is not able to surrender to Shri Mataji.

 

Also, the question of spiritual state of Jagbir and whether he is

able to attain thoughtlessness is irrelevant. Its NOT for us to

decide and judge. What we should realize is his sincere effort and be

grateful for that. Its VERY EASY to criticise but how many of us can

do things that he has done? Certainly I cannot and I believe I am not

the only one. So I suggest if one has something to ask about Sahaja

Yoga then this forum is definitely for that. This forum is NOT for

personal attacks and/or judging people.

 

Madhurima, I feel that you have certainly raised a very good question

and I feel since spiritual ascent is individual so should the

decision of taking treatments be. But it should not be at the cost of

common sense and honesty. One also needs to introspect and ask if one

truly needs it. Above all its faith in Shri Mataji that matters the

most.

 

I remember Shri Mataji telling in one of her lectures about how

mechanically chanting name of Shri Ram cannot help. Similary

converting Sahaja Yoga into a treatment ritual will not help. Its the

surrender in heart that matters.

 

anuj

 

p.s. I hope that nobody judges me on the condition of my chakras or

challenge me on my nirvichara state. Nobody's Perfect :-)

 

 

 

shriadishakti , Vinay Talwar

<vinay_yogi2000> wrote:

> I am very impressed with your replies. I was also reading mails by

Madhurima asking questions to Jagbir Ji. But you see it is quite

simple. For some reason, you think Mr. Jagbir has answers. Both of

you think that his meditation is perfect and that he is an advanced

sahaja yogi. Maybe because he cuts and pastes articles from different

newspapers and websites over here.

>

> I dont know the truth about his progress in our yoga and it frankly

does not matter. Simon has messaged me too sometimes. It is ok, he

does not want to follow the yoga...that is his choice.

>

> Back to Jagbir, how are you sure he is following Shri Mataji's

teachings? How are you sure his mediatation is of the highest order?

How are you sure he has attained at least Nirvichara Samadhi? How are

you sure he is telling the truth about his children flying in the

cosmos during meditation? Even i read his mail that his children met

shri hanumana and he opened his chest to show shri rama. I found it

funny but i kept quiet. Some other fellow asked him common sense

questions and Jagbir Ji got angry and i think stopped his emails in

the forum OR he left himself.

>

> Jagbir Ji, please dont get angry at my mail. We all 'think'

differently. Our objective is to be thoughtless...not go on

expressing different thoughts.

>

> I know you think remedies given by Her Holiness, The one and only

Adishakti are complete non-sense, though she herself has said that we

must footsoak and shoebeat EVERY DAY! SHE ------THE ADISHAKTI has

said that, but maybe you are wiser, i dont know. As far as I can

tell, YOUR RIGHT SWADISHTAN is over activated, that is why you are so

harsh. Put your left hand on it and take shri Himalaya mantra and see

the change in yourself.

>

> You underetimate the power of Shri Mataji. When she gives us a

remedy, she knows what she is talking about. The Univerese is

governed by rules and she knows those rules, that is why she tells

us.

>

> As for you Dasi, I could not read the detisl of all your mails, but

even if you think Shri Mataji is harsh, please know that she is

beyond humility. Giing realisation to thousands of people and

constntly meditating on her bhaktas, whil in human form, is very

stresing on the human body. Even if you have left, get back in, use

her photograph only, it i better if you go to collectives but ok if

you dont...but dont miss this chance. I have never heard or sen or

read of any other yoga helping human beings make so much progress on

the spiritual path. It must be experienced to be understood.

> JAI SHRI MATAJI

>

> Vinay

>

>

> Note: forwarded message attached.

>

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shriadishakti , Vinay Talwar

<vinay_yogi2000> wrote:

> I am very impressed with your replies. I was also reading mails by

Madhurima asking questions to Jagbir Ji. But you see it is quite

simple. For some reason, you think Mr. Jagbir has answers. Both of you

think that his meditation is perfect and that he is an advanced sahaja

yogi.>

 

Dear Vinay,I don't remember I have said that...anyway..Is his

meditation perfect?..Depends on how you define ,,perfect,,..If you

compare him to Simon,then yes,I'd say he is perfect.

 

< Maybe because he cuts and pastes articles from different newspapers

and websites over here.>

 

I have a busy life,and whatever info he can post,I'm glad I'm able to

read it,and not search like a maniac thru internet.

>

> I dont know the truth about his progress in our yoga and it frankly

does not matter. Simon has messaged me too sometimes. It is ok, he

does not want to follow the yoga...that is his choice.>

 

Good for you Simon ..you have a friend.

>

> Back to Jagbir, how are you sure he is following Shri Mataji's

teachings?>

 

He is being following SM teachings.

 

< How are you sure his mediatation is of the highest order?>

 

Highest order is relative term.

 

< How are you sure he has attained at least Nirvichara Samadhi?>

 

Nirvichara is only the initial step.There is only one goal we must

have...Nirvikalpa.If you reach that state,then all your karma is

purified ,and you don't come back.(on the earth)..Dear

Vinay,Nirvikalpa is the state where you basically you don't need to

meditate,because you are all the time in meditation,and you are NOT

thoughtless ..the left and right channels are purified.In that

state,you are capable to absorb any amount of negativities,and still

come back.However,there are more chakras beyond sahasrara,and

more,,perfection,, to be.I just don't understand the

word,,perfect,,..could you explain to me?..If I understand this,maybe

I'll give you a better answer about Jagbir's being,,perfect,,.

 

< How are you sure he is telling the truth about his children flying

in the cosmos during meditation?>

 

Since I am an expert in the subtle system ,I refuse to take

vibrations about any sahaja yogi.There is a reason for this.First of

all,the protocol is very much more complicated then people think.Why

is that?...because when you connect with other's kundalini,a funny

thing happen.There will be a feed-back from your own parasympathetic

nervous system.

 

Here lies the danger,to blame the other guy for your own problems.

 

..Vinay..you understand what I'm saying?... The problem gets worse

when you attempt to heal somebody from a distance,because you can get

that disease.(unless you can neutralize it) In any case,this time I

have taken vibrations about what he said,and NOT only my head got

cool,but my very body AND the souls of my feet.I figured that was a

,,yes,,..from Shri Mataji..

 

< Even i read his mail that his children met shri hanumana and he

opened his chest to show shri rama. I found it funny but i kept quiet.

Some other fellow asked him common sense questions and Jagbir Ji got

angry and i think stopped his emails in the forum OR he left himself.

>

> Jagbir Ji, please dont get angry at my mail. We all 'think'

differently. Our objective is to be thoughtless...not go on expressing

different thoughts.

>

> I know you think remedies given by Her Holiness, The one and only

Adishakti are complete non-sense, though she herself has said that we

must footsoak and shoebeat EVERY DAY! SHE ------THE ADISHAKTI has said

that, but maybe you are wiser, i dont know. As far as I can tell, YOUR

RIGHT SWADISHTAN is over activated, that is why you are so harsh. Put

your left hand on it and take shri Himalaya mantra and see the change

in yourself.>

 

Those remedies are very powerful...however,if you don't meditate or

trust,then they are paving the way to the new religion of lemons and

coconuts.Tell me this is not the future of us,as sahaja yogis.

 

> You underetimate the power of Shri Mataji. When she gives us a

remedy, she knows what she is talking about. The Univerese is governed

by rules and she knows those rules, that is why she tells us. .

 

Shri Mataji tells us only what we can bear to know.She also has to

absorb alot of negativities in her human body,from people like us.

>

> As for you Dasi, I could not read the detisl of all your mails, but

even if you think Shri Mataji is harsh, please know that she is beyond

humility. Giing realisation to thousands of people and constntly

meditating on her bhaktas, whil in human form, is very stresing on the

human body. Even if you have left, get back in, use her photograph

only, it i better if you go to collectives but ok if you dont...but

dont miss this chance. I have never heard or sen or read of any other

yoga helping human beings make so much progress on the spiritual path.

It must be experienced to be understood.

> JAI SHRI MATAJI

>

You are right,Vinay..but why do you call him Jagbir Ji?..

love,danny