False prophet Simon was asked to seek help for evil spirit possession

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shriadishakti , A L <vindhyavasinidasi>

wrote:

> Jagbir,

>

> I have been reading the archives as you suggested. I

> have not read all of it, but there are some questions

> I would like to ask.

>

> You wrote something...that Shri Mataji does nothing,

> it is just the energy that works. That Shri Mataji as

> a person is not important.

>

> If Shri Mataji is not important and it does not matter

> what she does, does it really matter if people don't

> recognize her or don't love her. Does it really matter

> if they say some other guru is God or Goddess?

>

> I know you are sure about her being the Goddess

> because of your children's experiences (and I think it

> is a great blessing), but there are so many miracle

> stories told by so many other people who follow other

> gurus and religions that it is impossible for most

> people to say which story is right and which is not

> right.

>

> I don't know if I made my thoughts clear. And I hope

> my questions are not insulting to any of the forum

> members. I keep reading the archives.

>

> Oh, what is Simon's cult?

>

> Dasi

>

>

 

shriadishakti , " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi IS the incarnation of the Goddess, the

Shakti within. The same claim is made by a number of ammas and

bhagwans. Check their credentials and try verifying with the Bible,

Koran and other scriptures. Let me know when you find sufficient

proof.

 

Simon Dicon Montford is the self-proclaimed prophet who, along with

a handful of his followers, is carrying out a campaign to discredit

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. I call him a prophet because of his past

claims that he is one, and received divine revelations about who he

was in his past life and his mission on Earth. This culminated

into " a sect within a sect " and then, after being told to leave,

evolved into anti-Sahaja Yoga websites which are all crafted and

controlled by him.

 

More info of his cult is available at:

 

http://www.adishakti.org/simon_d_montford.htm

 

 

BTW, Jedi is a long serving disciple of his.

 

 

jagbir

 

 

>

> shriadishakti , A L <vindhyavasinidasi>

> wrote:

> > Jagbir,

> >

> > Is that web page yours? I don't know what to think. It

> > is so full of hatred. Maybe many things written there

> > are correct, but calling someone a demon or ally of

> > the Antichrist is heartless. I have been reading the

> > archives of talk-about-sahaja-yoga forum and I have

> > not found a message by Simon which would be rude,

> > nasty or demonic. And if he is a cult leader he has

> > hidden it very well. To me he looks like an ordinary

> > skeptic. And I know many skeptics who are very honest,

> > sincere and good people. Sometimes I think that

> > although their lips say that there is no God there is

> > more God in their hearts than in the hearts of most

> > believers.

> >

> > All others but Jedi have been kind and nice on the

> > forum. It is quite difficult to believe that it is a

> > cult.

> >

> >

 

shriadishakti , " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

>

> Simon was once a staunch disciple of Shri Mataji and believing in

> Her proclamation that the Last Judgment and Resurrection has begun.

>

> Then something went wrong in his mind and he swore that he was the

> reincarnation of the biblical Joseph of Arimathea, the uncle of

> Jesus. After that that mind warped even more as he claimed the

> title of Shri Rama for himself.

>

> To cut a long story short he was on the verge of killing SY

> leaders because voices in his head were commanding him. That is

> when Shri Mataji told him to leave Sahaja Yoga, and something (in)

> his warped mind told him Shri Mataji is a false guru.

>

> Ever since the late 1980's Simon went on a campaign to discredit

> Her. i am sure if his claim of being Prophet Jospeh/Shri Rama was

> recognized by Shri Mataji he would have been championing Her cause

> to high heaven.

>

> But She did not. Instead he was told to leave Sahaja Yoga before

> those voices in his head did some deadly damage to living humans.

>

> Now he very actively leads a small group of people against Shri

> Mataji.

>

> But it is not as simple as you think. He is in reality campaigning

> against the Divine Message for humanity i.e. God plan for all His

> children. If that does qualify him as an Antichrist element then

> what will? And Dasi, you have forgotten that Vedic defination of

> rakshasha (demon). As far as i am concerned even murderers do not

> qualify for that title. But those who prevent/disturb humans from

> God-realization have always been called demons (rakshasha).

> Perhaps now all Hindus are heartless, by your judgment, for

> believing in that definition. Let me quote:

>

> " According to Hinduism, demons are either beings that appeared

> through the primordial act of manifestation, or humans that didn't

> follow their duty (dharma) or performed bad deeds during their

> lifetime. Consequently they reincarnate as evil beings which cause

> much suffering in the world. However, the evil they do is not

> arbitrary, as the law of karma makes sure that the humans

> afflicted by demons are justly punished for their own bad deeds

> performed in previous lives. Therefore, from a global point of

> view the demons' bad deeds must be seen as necessary in balancing

> karma. On the other hand, the demon stage of existence is limited,

> and eventually there is reincarnation back into human form and

> henceforth a new chance given to attain liberation. ...

>

> As long as karma operates in the world, the killing of a demon has

> a very limited effect. It doesn't guarantee that the demon will

> not create problems in his next existence. According to the

> reincarnation doctrine, only one's physical frame can be " killed "

> (see Bhagavad Gita 2,19), not the " infinite, immortal soul " . For

> this reason, demons never stop creating problems, so there are

> necessary periodical incarnations of the divine, at least 10 in

> each mahayuga. As the periodical manifestation of the world

> created by Vishnu never ends, so does the affliction of it by the

> demons. Therefore, the solution of killing the demons by the

> avatars is only a short-term solution to the problem of evil in

> the world. "

>

> Maybe Dasi you should villify Shri Vishnu and other avtaras for

> PHYSICALLY killing demons - you know with all the blood, gore,

> headless bodies and crying, cursing, chest-thumping relatives. i

> think that avatars have committed far henious crime(s) than me

> calling Simon a demon. i don't think words can break bones as

> effectively as Shri Rama's mace.

>

> And you believe that in skeptical atheists like Simon " there is

> more God in their hearts than in the hearts of most believers. " i

> wonder what billions of believers will think of that. You seem to

> like Simon more than Shri Mataji and speak of him in very

> flattering terms.

>

> Dasi, you do make very strange statements and judgments. Maybe

> Simon can recommend you a Goddess to believe in. Since Shri Mataji

> cannot enlighten you Simon and company may just present you with

> what karma has in store for you. After all, he has more God in his

> heart. You are the first to make that frightening statement. i

> have now little doubt as to the direction the karma of your past

> lives may be taking you. Take care.

>

> jagbir

 

 

jagbir singh <adishakti_org>

Tue Nov 26, 2002 0:41am

Re: Simon, Do you deny the facts stated? Or are they true?

 

Hi Simon,

 

Since we are now going to debate properly on this forum, given the

fact that Vladamir is back to enforce some semblance of order, let

start from the condition you were in when you first joined Sahaja

Yoga. i have very reliable information from a few Sahaja Yogis who

had the pleasure of meeting you when you first joined Sahaja Yoga.

 

They tell me that you were witnessed trembling like a person

possessed when you went to meet Shri Mataji. In fact you were so

afraid of meeting Her that you nearly wet yourself on stage. i am

not saying that you were afraid but that the possession of that

foreign entity made you shake violently.

 

It is common knowledge that those possessed by demons and evil

spirits begin to shake when they appear before the Adi Shakti,

which i have also personally witnessed.

 

i am quite knowledgeable about possession and evil spirits because

in Thailand, Malaysia (my motherland) and Indonesia there are

centuries-old traditions of bomohs (voodoo doctors of

Africa/Indies and tantrikas of India) who specialize in capturing

evil spirits.

 

My best friend Vipin Kumar, an accountant, has a client Seelva who

uses such spirits that are captured/enticed with blood offerings at

cemeteries and used to chase out weaker evil spirits out of

possessed persons. This guy Selva claims that he is a good voodoo

master in that he does not use his power to hurt people, but

instead helps them to get rid of their possession. What he doesn't

tell them is that his less evil spirit stays on with that victim, who

continues to act strangely but not violently as before. Others

think he/she is cured but that is not the case.

 

i personally had a harrowing experience in 1977 where a powerful

spirit of a murdered tycoon became mad when i slept in his room in

a multi-million mansion of his that i was guarding. This evil entity

sat on me for a few minutes but could not overpower me. Finally,

when i managed to shake him off he disappeared right before my

eyes in a dark form that grew smaller and smaller until so small that

he was completely invisible. Then he appeared like a white ghost

right across the main road, floating a feet above the ground.

Instantly knew then that i had made a terrible mistake.

 

The next day i apologized to him by entering the master bedroom,

and promised never again to enter any of his rooms. He left me after

that in peace. But when i left the job the next security guard was

attacked so badly that he spent three months in a mental hospital.

He shook violently and trembled continuously from his own

harrowing experience. So Simon i know what these evil spirits can do

once they possess you.

 

You, Simon, are also possessed by some very strong evil spirit

(demon) who is using you to continue that fight against the great

Adi Shakti on this Earth. You will never have any idea that this

true but your shaking before Shri Mataji confirms that what i am

saying is true. i know people in the western world are skeptical

but check with any mass murderer or serial killer and these Sons of

Sams always have someone within themselves, that 'voice' which tells

them to kill again. This is nothing but possession by some evil

spirit.

 

Normally these evil spirits seek a weak and submissive person and

slowly over time change them to commit the most horrible crimes

with utter lack of remorse or compassion. Their actions leave friends

and neighbors stunned, but little do they know of spirit possession.

 

That is why Shri Mataji told you to leave Sahaja Yoga. You were

thrown out of Sahaja Yoga, Simon, and that has left you very

bitter.

 

Now you are the perfect host for that demon who has possessed you,

and your actions speak for themselves. You may turn out to be a

nice and gentle human being once you are exorcised of that possession

but till that happens you will do the bidding of the evil spirit

within.

 

You are lucky that this evil spirit only makes you challenge Shri

Mataji, instead of making you into a serial-killer or rapist-

murderer. However, the afterlife will see that you pay your dues.

 

Simon, i know that you will not believe about your spirit

possession but at least be honest enough to admit that you did shake

violently before Shri Mataji and nearly wet yourself on stage in the

process. You cannot deny this because the source comes from a few

Sahaja Yogis who witnessed this incident, and knew you personally.

 

i am not going to tell you to stop attacking Shri Mataji because

you will never be able to do so at the moment. i still will have to

counter your relentless attack against the great Adi Shakti Shri

Mataji Nirmala Devi. But i genuinely ask you to seek help from

some priest or reliable exorcist. Just do it and see how you feel

after that. i am very sure that you do not know about how Evil works

in this world. No one has seen Satan and his dark forces but they

exist, and will become stronger and more violent as this world

continues to dance to the drumbeat of death, destruction and

delusion.

 

jagbir

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shriadishakti , " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

>

>

> jagbir singh <adishakti_org>

> Tue Nov 26, 2002 0:41am

> Re: Simon, Do you deny the facts stated? Or are they true?

>

> Hi Simon,

>

> Since we are now going to debate properly on this forum, given the

> fact that Vladamir is back to enforce some semblance of order, let

> start from the condition you were in when you first joined Sahaja

> Yoga. i have very reliable information from a few Sahaja Yogis who

> had the pleasure of meeting you when you first joined Sahaja Yoga.

>

> They tell me that you were witnessed trembling like a person

> possessed when you went to meet Shri Mataji. In fact you were so

> afraid of meeting Her that you nearly wet yourself on stage. i am

> not saying that you were afraid but that the possession of that

> foreign entity made you shake violently.

>

> It is common knowledge that those possessed by demons and evil

> spirits begin to shake when they appear before the Adi Shakti,

> which i have also personally witnessed.

>

> i am quite knowledgeable about possession and evil spirits because

> in Thailand, Malaysia (my motherland) and Indonesia there are

> centuries-old traditions of bomohs (voodoo doctors of

> Africa/Indies and tantrikas of India) who specialize in capturing

> evil spirits.

>

> My best friend Vipin Kumar, an accountant, has a client Seelva who

> uses such spirits that are captured/enticed with blood offerings at

> cemeteries and used to chase out weaker evil spirits out of

> possessed persons. This guy Selva claims that he is a good voodoo

> master in that he does not use his power to hurt people, but

> instead helps them to get rid of their possession. What he doesn't

> tell them is that his less evil spirit stays on with that victim,

who continues to act strangely but not violently as before. Others

> think he/she is cured but that is not the case.

>

> i personally had a harrowing experience in 1977 where a powerful

> spirit of a murdered tycoon became mad when i slept in his room in

> a multi-million mansion of his that i was guarding. This evil

entity sat on me for a few minutes but could not overpower me.

Finally, when i managed to shake him off he disappeared right before

my eyes in a dark form that grew smaller and smaller until so small

that he was completely invisible. Then he appeared like a white ghost

> right across the main road, floating a feet above the ground.

> Instantly knew then that i had made a terrible mistake.

>

> The next day i apologized to him by entering the master bedroom,

> and promised never again to enter any of his rooms. He left me

after that in peace. But when i left the job the next security guard

was attacked so badly that he spent three months in a mental

hospital. He shook violently and trembled continuously from his own

> harrowing experience. So Simon i know what these evil spirits can

do once they possess you.

>

> You, Simon, are also possessed by some very strong evil spirit

> (demon) who is using you to continue that fight against the great

> Adi Shakti on this Earth. You will never have any idea that this

> true but your shaking before Shri Mataji confirms that what i am

> saying is true. i know people in the western world are skeptical

> but check with any mass murderer or serial killer and these Sons of

> Sams always have someone within themselves, that 'voice' which

tells them to kill again. This is nothing but possession by some

evil spirit.

>

> Normally these evil spirits seek a weak and submissive person and

> slowly over time change them to commit the most horrible crimes

> with utter lack of remorse or compassion. Their actions leave

friends and neighbors stunned, but little do they know of spirit

possession.

>

> That is why Shri Mataji told you to leave Sahaja Yoga. You were

> thrown out of Sahaja Yoga, Simon, and that has left you very

> bitter.

>

> Now you are the perfect host for that demon who has possessed you,

> and your actions speak for themselves. You may turn out to be a

> nice and gentle human being once you are exorcised of that

possession but till that happens you will do the bidding of the evil

spirit within.

>

> You are lucky that this evil spirit only makes you challenge Shri

> Mataji, instead of making you into a serial-killer or rapist-

> murderer. However, the afterlife will see that you pay your dues.

>

> Simon, i know that you will not believe about your spirit

> possession but at least be honest enough to admit that you did

shake violently before Shri Mataji and nearly wet yourself on stage

in the process. You cannot deny this because the source comes from a

few Sahaja Yogis who witnessed this incident, and knew you

personally.

>

> i am not going to tell you to stop attacking Shri Mataji because

> you will never be able to do so at the moment. i still will have to

> counter your relentless attack against the great Adi Shakti Shri

> Mataji Nirmala Devi. But i genuinely ask you to seek help from

> some priest or reliable exorcist. Just do it and see how you feel

> after that. i am very sure that you do not know about how Evil

works in this world. No one has seen Satan and his dark forces but

they exist, and will become stronger and more violent as this world

> continues to dance to the drumbeat of death, destruction and

> delusion.

>

> jagbir

>

 

" jagbir singh "

sahaja-yoga

sahaja-yoga

[sY] Autobiography of Simon Dicon Montford: Chapter One

Tue, 26 Nov 2002 18:45:40 -0000

 

Hi folks,

 

We are in the midst of the last-minute rally of the ownership race

which shows incumbent Simon clearly ahead with 99% of the

electorate, according to the Gallup's polls conducted 26 November

2002 (margin of error is 3 per cent points). Most of the opposition

electorate have refused to vote in an election which they suspect is

rigged, and their only candidate Jaggy is still twiddling his thumbs

and waiting for divine intervention.

 

Since this is the case there may not be much time to complete

Simon's bibliography, which till today is still at chapter one out

of 32. However, we will continue and at least finish, over the next

few days, chapter one which dwells mainly on his the murky, pre-SY

mental health.

 

From the very beginning of the opening lines " On a dark and foggy

night " , there was public anticipation that it was indeed going to be

a dark and intriguing story clearing some foggy minds, and leading

to sleepless nights. Since we are in the midst of an election

campaign concerning the presidential hopeful Simon, this on-going

story should not be taken as any character assassination since it

will only end long after the champagne parties and downtown parade

is over. We wish to assure our readers that we are not prejudiced

against Simon (for fear of being sued for defamation and other

related losses).

 

So the last time we asked Simon if he denied the story so far and,

being the honorable gentleman that he is, declined to comment. To

those unsophisticated and whose mother-tongue or second-spoken

language was never English, this means that it is true.

 

So Simon, possessed and trembling before Shri Mataji, was told to

leave Sahaja Yoga. So then how long did he actually stay? To come

into Sahaja Yoga and immediately asked to leave doesn't take more

than a few weeks, at the most. But the question so often overlooked

is that had he not been possessed what would have been the outcome?

Would he have been a world leader, given his education and flair for

gathering underlings around him? Would he been the hired gun of

Sahaja Yoga blasting anti-SY on this forum to smithereens? What

about his unknown violent streak that could have been harnessed to

abuse those presenting anti-SY pamphlets at public programs?

(violence is discussed at chapter 6.)

 

But now it does not matter since he professes to know so much about

SY and Shri Mataji that he is an authority on it. Others look up to

him for guidance in a world full of evil cults, predatory priests

and false gurus of faker fakirs.

 

So back to the main story again. When Simon was thrown out of Sahaja

Yoga he began to lie about it, and told everyone that he is leaving

on his own. It was really very embarrassing and painful to admit

that he was told to stay out of Sahaja Yoga, for naturally everyone

would ask: Why?

 

So why go through such humiliation when one can conveniently say, " I

am leaving Sahaja Yoga because I can see through it " - and feel so

joyful and happy when others agree with him. It was a healing

process second to none, and definitely Simon healed with astonishing

swiftness.

 

And to support statements you must give evidence. And that is when

Simon started on a long and colorful career as a guru-buster with

medals to match. It was such an easy task. His burning bitterness

and hate at being rejection made him to single-mindedly pursue this

driving ambition to destroy Sahaja Yoga and Shri Mataji by whatever

means possible.

 

He claims on this forum that he rejected it through a long mental

process and saw through Sahaja Yoga. But his early records do not

match his forum boasts.

 

After Simon left he also bragged that he, along with a close circle

of rejected and disillusioned friends, were avenging angels out to

deliver the world from the clutches of that false Holy Ghost. He

began to quote the Bible about false prophets and his own possession

made him absolutely sure that he was just as divine as Shri Mataji

was evil. His knowledge and writing skills made him an instant hero

and spawned a small band of admirers, whom he then manipulated by

whom he then manipulated by egging them on.

 

jagbir