Vinay, the state of samadhi is beyond the reach of mind and speech

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> shriadishakti , Vinay Talwar

> <vinay_yogi2000> wrote:

> >

> > How are you sure he has attained at least Nirvichara Samadhi?

> >

> >

shriadishakti , " calugar22 " <calugar22>

wrote:

>

> Nirvichara is only the initial step. There is only one goal we must

> have...Nirvikalpa. If you reach that state, then all your karma is

> purified ,and you don't come back. (on the earth).. Dear

> Vinay, Nirvikalpa is the state where you basically you don't need

> to meditate, because you are all the time in meditation, and you

> are NOT thoughtless ..the left and right channels are purified. In

> that state, you are capable to absorb any amount of negativities,

> and still come back. However, there are more chakras beyond

> sahasrara, and more,,perfection,, to be. I just don't understand

> the word,, perfect,,..could you explain to me?.. If I understand

> this, maybe I'll give you a better answer about Jagbir's

> being,, perfect,,.

>

>

 

 

Dear Vinay,

 

Late 1994 i went to Malaysia and gave Self-realization to a few

friends. On December 29 i was about to depart back for Canada and

went to meditate at about 6.00 p.m. For the first time and only time

the kundalini jerked my spine straight and made me erect. Then i

attained a state of meditation and bliss that left me in ecstasy for

hours.

 

There was a farewell dinner at my favorite corner Bintang restaurant

at SS3 that still stands till today due to its excellent Chinese

cuisine. But i was in no mood for eating, even talking. The bliss

was just overwhelming and intoxicating.

 

Later we left for the airport but had to return as the flight was

delayed. That allowed me to meditate again at around 10 p.m. Again i

attained the same high.

 

After that day i have never attained this state again.

 

i do not know whatever state that is. All i know is that if that

state is attained and _sustained_ there is just no way i will

function as a human anymore. You do not even need to eat, sleep or

have sex. In fact you just want to remain in that ecstasy and bliss.

It is my believe that the experience was just to give me a fleeting

taste of Divine Nectar, maybe just 1/500,000 part of it. You just

have no idea what this Divine Bliss is all about. Maybe it may give

you an idea of what state of Joy and Bliss liberated souls are

experiencing in the Spirit World.

 

But since 1994 i have never attained that state again. As i said

before if i can attain and _sustain_ that state again i will cease

functioning. What that state is i will never know nor will there be

anyone to question it's authenticity. i just cannot explain it

better. Perhaps others like Swami Sivananda can give us a advanced

idea of samadhi.

 

" The state of samadhi is beyond the reach of mind and speech.

Even in worldly experience, you cannot express taste. You cannot

express the taste of an apple to one who has not tasted it, nor can

you explain the nature of colour to a blind man. The state of

samadhi is all joy, bliss and peace; this much only can be said. One

has to feel this for himself.

 

In samadhi or the superconscious state, the meditator loses his

individuality and becomes identical with the supreme self. He

becomes an embodiment of bliss, peace and knowledge. So much only

can be said. This can be experienced by you through constant

meditation.

 

Nirvikalpa samadhi is the state of superconsciousness or godhead.

There is no vikalpa or imagination of any sort in this condition.

This is the goal of life. All mental activities cease now. The

function of the intellect and the ten indriyas (senses) cease

entirely.

 

The spiritual aspirant now rests in atman (self). There is no

distinction between subject and object. The world and the pairs of

opposites vanish absolutely. This is a state beyond all relativity -

though it is not a state of inertia. It is a condition of complete,

perfect awareness. It is indescribable. It must be felt and

experienced by the aspirant himself. In this state the triad - the

knower, known and knowable - disappears. Man is now Brahman - there

is no jivahood.

 

Try to enjoy that sleepless state wherein all senses and mind remain

in a state of quietude and the intellect ceases functioning. The

sleepless sleep is maha nidra (the superconscious state). There is

no waking from this sleep.

 

In samadhi the yogi gets himself merged in the Lord. All limitations

and differences disappear. The yogi attains highest knowledge and

bliss. This state is beyond description. You will have to realise it

yourself.

 

Samadhi is the superconscious state in which the veil of ignorance

is suddenly lifted and the devotee merges in the overwhelming glory

of the one true divine effulgence. In samadhi the soul becomes

loosened from its material prison and is separated from individual

consciousness. An ecstatic feeling of oneness arises and the soul

becomes absorbed in the infinite intelligence from which it emanated.

 

After attaining samadhi a man, though possessed of great spiritual

powers, does not wish to change the conditions and circumstances in

which he lived before attaining it. In samadhi, ordinary

consciousness has flowered into super­consciousness. The stream of

samsara (the stream of births and deaths) has ceased to flow. "

 

 

Vinay, the state of samadhi is beyond the reach of mind and speech.

i still have a long way to go as i stumble along. But what i do know

is the path taken is beyond reproach since it is the Shakti Herself

who guides. If you can learn from the cut and paste quotes and

experience of others you will progress faster and ascend to greater

heights. It beats learning about lemons and coconuts hands down.

 

 

jagbir

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shriadishakti , " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

>

> > shriadishakti , Vinay Talwar

> > <vinay_yogi2000> wrote:

> > >

> > > How are you sure he has attained at least Nirvichara Samadhi?

> > >

> > >

> shriadishakti , " calugar22 " <calugar22>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nirvichara is only the initial step. There is only one goal we

must

> > have...Nirvikalpa. If you reach that state, then all your karma is

> > purified ,and you don't come back. (on the earth).. Dear

> > Vinay, Nirvikalpa is the state where you basically you don't need

> > to meditate, because you are all the time in meditation, and you

> > are NOT thoughtless ..the left and right channels are purified.

In

> > that state, you are capable to absorb any amount of negativities,

> > and still come back. However, there are more chakras beyond

> > sahasrara, and more,,perfection,, to be. I just don't understand

> > the word,, perfect,,..could you explain to me?.. If I understand

> > this, maybe I'll give you a better answer about Jagbir's

> > being,, perfect,,.

> >

> >

>

>

> Dear Vinay,

>

> Late 1994 i went to Malaysia and gave Self-realization to a few

> friends. On December 29 i was about to depart back for Canada and

> went to meditate at about 6.00 p.m. For the first time and only

time

> the kundalini jerked my spine straight and made me erect. Then i

> attained a state of meditation and bliss that left me in ecstasy

for

> hours.

>

> There was a farewell dinner at my favorite corner Bintang

restaurant

> at SS3 that still stands till today due to its excellent Chinese

> cuisine. But i was in no mood for eating, even talking. The bliss

> was just overwhelming and intoxicating.

>

> Later we left for the airport but had to return as the flight was

> delayed. That allowed me to meditate again at around 10 p.m. Again

i

> attained the same high.

>

> After that day i have never attained this state again.

>

> i do not know whatever state that is. All i know is that if that

> state is attained and _sustained_ there is just no way i will

> function as a human anymore. You do not even need to eat, sleep or

> have sex. In fact you just want to remain in that ecstasy and

bliss.

> It is my believe that the experience was just to give me a fleeting

> taste of Divine Nectar, maybe just 1/500,000 part of it. You just

> have no idea what this Divine Bliss is all about. Maybe it may give

> you an idea of what state of Joy and Bliss liberated souls are

> experiencing in the Spirit World.

>

> But since 1994 i have never attained that state again. As i said

> before if i can attain and _sustain_ that state again i will cease

> functioning. What that state is i will never know nor will there be

> anyone to question it's authenticity. i just cannot explain it

> better. Perhaps others like Swami Sivananda can give us a advanced

> idea of samadhi.

>

> " The state of samadhi is beyond the reach of mind and speech.

> Even in worldly experience, you cannot express taste. You cannot

> express the taste of an apple to one who has not tasted it, nor can

> you explain the nature of colour to a blind man. The state of

> samadhi is all joy, bliss and peace; this much only can be said.

One

> has to feel this for himself.

>

> In samadhi or the superconscious state, the meditator loses his

> individuality and becomes identical with the supreme self. He

> becomes an embodiment of bliss, peace and knowledge. So much only

> can be said. This can be experienced by you through constant

> meditation.

>

> Nirvikalpa samadhi is the state of superconsciousness or godhead.

> There is no vikalpa or imagination of any sort in this condition.

> This is the goal of life. All mental activities cease now. The

> function of the intellect and the ten indriyas (senses) cease

> entirely.

>

> The spiritual aspirant now rests in atman (self). There is no

> distinction between subject and object. The world and the pairs of

> opposites vanish absolutely. This is a state beyond all relativity

-

> though it is not a state of inertia. It is a condition of complete,

> perfect awareness. It is indescribable. It must be felt and

> experienced by the aspirant himself. In this state the triad - the

> knower, known and knowable - disappears. Man is now Brahman - there

> is no jivahood.

>

> Try to enjoy that sleepless state wherein all senses and mind

remain

> in a state of quietude and the intellect ceases functioning. The

> sleepless sleep is maha nidra (the superconscious state). There is

> no waking from this sleep.

>

> In samadhi the yogi gets himself merged in the Lord. All

limitations

> and differences disappear. The yogi attains highest knowledge and

> bliss. This state is beyond description. You will have to realise

it

> yourself.

>

> Samadhi is the superconscious state in which the veil of ignorance

> is suddenly lifted and the devotee merges in the overwhelming glory

> of the one true divine effulgence. In samadhi the soul becomes

> loosened from its material prison and is separated from individual

> consciousness. An ecstatic feeling of oneness arises and the soul

> becomes absorbed in the infinite intelligence from which it

emanated.

>

> After attaining samadhi a man, though possessed of great spiritual

> powers, does not wish to change the conditions and circumstances in

> which he lived before attaining it. In samadhi, ordinary

> consciousness has flowered into super­consciousness. The stream

of

> samsara (the stream of births and deaths) has ceased to flow. "

>

>

> Vinay, the state of samadhi is beyond the reach of mind and speech.

> i still have a long way to go as i stumble along. But what i do

know

> is the path taken is beyond reproach since it is the Shakti Herself

> who guides. If you can learn from the cut and paste quotes and

> experience of others you will progress faster and ascend to greater

> heights. It beats learning about lemons and coconuts hands down.

>

>

> jagbir

.....................................................................

Dear Jagbir.

 

..This was a beautiful expression of the levels of bliss you have

experienced.Indeed,people can't understand it unless they experience

it.However,I did experience the same thing you're talking about ..Also

was only once in my life time,because after that I didn't need

anything else ...and that level of love and bliss is truly only a

gift from the Adi Shakti...I believe what you have experienced was

just a glimpse of what GOD is.... and God is pure love...to make a

long story short,I was doing meditation in Philadelphia center

park,...and I said to myself...this is a mess...what I am doing

here?...all of a sudden I felt powerful vibration on my palms,and ,in

the same time,I have heard a voice...It was...LO...I am with you

always... Never in my life I have ever felt such love.It was like my

whole body was levitating,and my spine was straight ...and somebody

was poring a bucket of holy water on my sahasrara...as I was sitting

there,on the bench, all of a sudden about 50 pigeons surrounded me.One

of them,being lazy,decided to take a nap on my sahasrara.As my left

hand was extended over my left leg,about 7 nasty of them decided to

rest on it.I had to stay like that about 15 minutes,while the people

will just pass by,and smile.I coudn't smile,because I was afraid I

would move my head,and disturb the righteous nap of the pigeon from my

sahasrara.Till this day I wonder what was the meaning of that.But I

believe was a gift from Shri Mataji.

 

Jagbir,I believe what you have experienced before was beyond

Nirvikalpa.I believe it was a gift for you,as a measure of the extasy

one can experience,once free from the Karma,and liberated.

 

Nirvikalpa (from my definition),,..is the stage where you don't

meditate ,yet you are in meditation.Here are Shri Mataji's words about

this..

............................................

,,So it is you who have to achieve that state and all of us can

achieve that state of Nirvikalpa. In that there is just progression.

After Nirvikalpa you cannot come down. If somebody is still going up

and down, up and down, he should know he is still not up to the point

and he should face up to himself or herself that " No, I have to be

into Nirvikalpa where I do not come down " .

 

The people who are not in the Nirvikalpa state are not going to be

saved. I am very sorry to say that. They are not going to be saved.

May not be the same way (as) those who are not

realised souls, but they will not occupy the seats in the realm of God

Almighty. At least you must reach the state of Nirvikalpa. Do not

blame any circumstance. Do not blame your father, mother, brother,

atmosphere, this, that. ...

 

We are not like other

religions where, after the deaths of the incarnation, people started

the religion and did whatever they wanted with that. In our living

time we are going to make ourselves that instrument which will

represent Vishwa Dharma. ,,

............................................

You see,Jagbir,...then the Nirvikalpa is just the state where your

vibrations CAN NOT come down,whatever you do,or not.This means what it

means,...and what you have experienced WAS beyond Nirvikalpa.Like a

gift only ,for you only...

 

Sincerely,danny