Re; Vinay, the state of samadhi is beyond the reach of mind

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shriadishakti

calugar22 <calugar22

Fri Dec 24, 2004 1:05 pm

Re: Vinay, the state of samadhi is beyond

the reach of mind and speech

 

 

shriadishakti , " jagbir singh "

<adishakti_org> wrote:

>

> > shriadishakti , Vinay Talwar

> > <vinay_yogi2000> wrote:

> > >

> > > How are you sure he has attained at least

Nirvichara Samadhi?

> > >

> > >

> shriadishakti , " calugar22 "

<calugar22>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nirvichara is only the initial step. There is only

one goal we

must

> > have...Nirvikalpa. If you reach that state, then

all your karma is

> > purified ,and you don't come back. (on the

earth).. Dear

> > Vinay, Nirvikalpa is the state where you basically

you don't need

> > to meditate, because you are all the time in

meditation, and you

> > are NOT thoughtless ..the left and right channels

are purified.

In

> > that state, you are capable to absorb any amount

of negativities,

> > and still come back. However, there are more

chakras beyond

> > sahasrara, and more,,perfection,, to be. I just

don't understand

> > the word,, perfect,,..could you explain to me?..

If I understand

> > this, maybe I'll give you a better answer about

Jagbir's

> > being,, perfect,,.

> >

> >

>

>

> Dear Vinay,

>

> Late 1994 i went to Malaysia and gave

Self-realization to a few

> friends. On December 29 i was about to depart back

for Canada and

> went to meditate at about 6.00 p.m. For the first

time and only

time

> the kundalini jerked my spine straight and made me

erect. Then i

> attained a state of meditation and bliss that left

me in ecstasy

for

> hours.

>

> There was a farewell dinner at my favorite corner

Bintang

restaurant

> at SS3 that still stands till today due to its

excellent Chinese

> cuisine. But i was in no mood for eating, even

talking. The bliss

> was just overwhelming and intoxicating.

>

> Later we left for the airport but had to return as

the flight was

> delayed. That allowed me to meditate again at around

10 p.m. Again

i

> attained the same high.

>

> After that day i have never attained this state

again.

>

> i do not know whatever state that is. All i know is

that if that

> state is attained and _sustained_ there is just no

way i will

> function as a human anymore. You do not even need to

eat, sleep or

> have sex. In fact you just want to remain in that

ecstasy and

bliss.

> It is my believe that the experience was just to

give me a fleeting

> taste of Divine Nectar, maybe just 1/500,000 part of

it. You just

> have no idea what this Divine Bliss is all about.

Maybe it may give

> you an idea of what state of Joy and Bliss liberated

souls are

> experiencing in the Spirit World.

>

> But since 1994 i have never attained that state

again. As i said

> before if i can attain and _sustain_ that state

again i will cease

> functioning. What that state is i will never know

nor will there be

> anyone to question it's authenticity. i just cannot

explain it

> better. Perhaps others like Swami Sivananda can give

us a advanced

> idea of samadhi.

>

> " The state of samadhi is beyond the reach of mind

and speech.

> Even in worldly experience, you cannot express

taste. You cannot

> express the taste of an apple to one who has not

tasted it, nor can

> you explain the nature of colour to a blind man. The

state of

> samadhi is all joy, bliss and peace; this much only

can be said.

One

> has to feel this for himself.

>

> In samadhi or the superconscious state, the

meditator loses his

> individuality and becomes identical with the supreme

self. He

> becomes an embodiment of bliss, peace and knowledge.

So much only

> can be said. This can be experienced by you through

constant

> meditation.

>

> Nirvikalpa samadhi is the state of

superconsciousness or godhead.

> There is no vikalpa or imagination of any sort in

this condition.

> This is the goal of life. All mental activities

cease now. The

> function of the intellect and the ten indriyas

(senses) cease

> entirely.

>

> The spiritual aspirant now rests in atman (self).

There is no

> distinction between subject and object. The world

and the pairs of

> opposites vanish absolutely. This is a state beyond

all relativity

-

> though it is not a state of inertia. It is a

condition of complete,

> perfect awareness. It is indescribable. It must be

felt and

> experienced by the aspirant himself. In this state

the triad - the

> knower, known and knowable - disappears. Man is now

Brahman - there

> is no jivahood.

>

> Try to enjoy that sleepless state wherein all senses

and mind

remain

> in a state of quietude and the intellect ceases

functioning. The

> sleepless sleep is maha nidra (the superconscious

state). There is

> no waking from this sleep.

>

> In samadhi the yogi gets himself merged in the Lord.

All

limitations

> and differences disappear. The yogi attains highest

knowledge and

> bliss. This state is beyond description. You will

have to realise

it

> yourself.

>

> Samadhi is the superconscious state in which the

veil of ignorance

> is suddenly lifted and the devotee merges in the

overwhelming glory

> of the one true divine effulgence. In samadhi the

soul becomes

> loosened from its material prison and is separated

from individual

> consciousness. An ecstatic feeling of oneness arises

and the soul

> becomes absorbed in the infinite intelligence from

which it

emanated.

>

> After attaining samadhi a man, though possessed of

great spiritual

> powers, does not wish to change the conditions and

circumstances in

> which he lived before attaining it. In samadhi,

ordinary

> consciousness has flowered into super­consciousness.

The stream

of

> samsara (the stream of births and deaths) has ceased

to flow. "

>

>

> Vinay, the state of samadhi is beyond the reach of

mind and speech.

> i still have a long way to go as i stumble along.

But what i do

know

> is the path taken is beyond reproach since it is the

Shakti Herself

> who guides. If you can learn from the cut and paste

quotes and

> experience of others you will progress faster and

ascend to greater

> heights. It beats learning about lemons and coconuts

hands down.

>

>

> jagbir

 

......................................................................

Dear Jagbir.

 

..This was a beautiful expression of the levels of

bliss you have

experienced.Indeed,people can't understand it unless

they experience

it.However,I did experience the same thing you're

talking about ..Also

was only once in my life time,because after that I

didn't need

anything else ...and that level of love and bliss is

truly only a

gift from the Adi Shakti...I believe what you have

experienced was

just a glimpse of what GOD is.... and God is pure

love...to make a

long story short,I was doing meditation in

Philadelphia center

park,...and I said to myself...this is a mess...what I

am doing

here?...all of a sudden I felt powerful vibration on

my palms,and ,in

the same time,I have heard a voice...It was...LO...I

am with you

always... Never in my life I have ever felt such

love.It was like my

whole body was levitating,and my spine was straight

....and somebody

was poring a bucket of holy water on my sahasrara...as

I was sitting

there,on the bench, all of a sudden about 50 pigeons

surrounded me.One

of them,being lazy,decided to take a nap on my

sahasrara.As my left

hand was extended over my left leg,about 7 nasty of

them decided to

rest on it.I had to stay like that about 15

minutes,while the people

will just pass by,and smile.I coudn't smile,because I

was afraid I

would move my head,and disturb the righteous nap of

the pigeon from my

sahasrara.Till this day I wonder what was the meaning

of that.But I

believe was a gift from Shri Mataji.

 

Jagbir,I believe what you have experienced before was

beyond

Nirvikalpa.I believe it was a gift for you,as a

measure of the extasy

one can experience,once free from the Karma,and

liberated.

 

Nirvikalpa (from my definition),,..is the stage where

you don't

meditate ,yet you are in meditation.Here are Shri

Mataji's words about

this..

............................................

,,So it is you who have to achieve that state and all

of us can

achieve that state of Nirvikalpa. In that there is

just progression.

After Nirvikalpa you cannot come down. If somebody is

still going up

and down, up and down, he should know he is still not

up to the point

and he should face up to himself or herself that " No,

I have to be

into Nirvikalpa where I do not come down " .

 

The people who are not in the Nirvikalpa state are not

going to be

saved. I am very sorry to say that. They are not going

to be saved.

May not be the same way (as) those who are not

realised souls, but they will not occupy the seats in

the realm of God

Almighty. At least you must reach the state of

Nirvikalpa. Do not

blame any circumstance. Do not blame your father,

mother, brother,

atmosphere, this, that. ...

 

We are not like other

religions where, after the deaths of the incarnation,

people started

the religion and did whatever they wanted with that.

In our living

time we are going to make ourselves that instrument

which will

represent Vishwa Dharma. ,,

............................................

You see,Jagbir,...then the Nirvikalpa is just the

state where your

vibrations CAN NOT come down,whatever you do,or

not.This means what it

means,...and what you have experienced WAS beyond

Nirvikalpa.Like a

gift only ,for you only...

 

Sincerely,danny