It is the talisman by which death itself becomes the portal to life eternal

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shriadishakti , " v_koa " <v_koa> wrote:

>

> Since i have been reading this website for almost a year and in

> the forums for 5 months or so, i have to to know that sahaja yoga

> collectives are, for the most part, not condusive to progressing

> in sahaja yoga, possibly even a deterrant. Even when i went to my

> first and only sahaja yoga collective meeting to get my

> realisation (which i haven't continued working on as u know) most

> of the people there seemed quite miserable and the leaders

> teaching the class didn't seem that warm, or for that matter all

> that happy. I don't understand how these people can use all these

> treatments and even just meditate twice a day and such, yet still

> catch and still be much like regular people; i would think they

> would be much different.

>

 

Dear Kyyan,

 

First of all i would like to clarify a previous post where i said:

 

" The Divine Message just does not allow you to pick and choose

according to your inherited religious whims and fundamentalist

fancies. "

 

shriadishakti/message/3039

 

i want you to know that i am speaking in general and do not mean you

are of that nature. My apologies if my comments made you think i was

referring to you personally.

 

The local collectives are absolutely necessary if you want to learn

about the subtle system. The Yogis are really experts in this field

and you will heal fast, without having to pay a cent. But if you

want to learn about the Last Judgment and Resurrection and have

faith that this Great Event is actually taking place they will

provide little information.

 

You may thus take advantage of both by healing yourself at the local

collective and continue to learn about the Divine Message at this

forum and related websites. In this way you will always remained

focused on the core message of Shri Mataji - the Last Judgment and

Resurrection while you get your subtle system working.

 

As to your feeling that " most of the people there seemed quite

miserable and the leaders teaching the class didn't seem that warm,

or for that matter all that happy " , it may be just that it takes

time to develop relationships. It will be difficult on the first day

for seekers and leaders to strike up a lively conversation with all.

Most SYs are friendly and warm, willing to help you with their time

and resources. The last time i received a SY guest he went out of

the way to do a superb plumbing job even though he was getting late

for the return journey home to rural Quebec ............... and

the snow was beginning to fall. Getting paid for helping others is

out of question. i am sure SYs will be warmer once you know them.

 

You will also have to factor in the fact that almost all new seekers

leave within a short time. They perceive that Sahaja Yoga is all

about the subtle system. Being free just makes it worse. Anyone

teaching about the subtle system without charging just does not make

sense to these people. After all, hundreds and thousands of

professionals make a living from it. So how come these people are

teaching for free?

 

This will hurt, as truth sometimes does: SYs running public programs

in North America know that 99% of the seekers will leave, as they

have done over the years. After a decade or so it is indeed

difficult to always put on a happy and cheerful face. i admire them

for their tenacity but question their methodology and inability to

tell others of the Divine Message. It is a waste of time and energy

to sell Sahaja Yoga as a subtle system yoga when hundreds of schools

and thousands of professionals are doing a far better job.

 

shriadishakti/message/1785

 

All that fatigue is bound to show after all these years. So, Kyyan,

you just cannot blame them for reflecting that tiredness.

 

i have received emails about people spending a year or so in Sahaja

Yoga with scant knowledge about the Divine Message. The emphasis

always seems to be on the subtle system, catches, cures and

cleansing. It is easy to leave Sahaja Yoga with that mindset. It is

another matter to participate in the Great Event ordained for

humanity. That is the raison d'être for myself being in Sahaja

Yoga. In future that reason will account for the vast majority of

seekers. Just wait and see.

 

As for why many SYs keep catching, this issue has been dealt with a

number of times. i am convinced that anyone can rid of catches

without any need for lemons and chillies. If the Mother Kundalini

can be awakened to rise all the way to the Sahasrara, a process that

takes many rebirths spent in spiritual pursuits, i just cannot

understand why it cannot cure petty subtle system problems. To have

to resort to lemons and coconuts goes against all i have learnt. i

will never resort to these rituals again, even if others remain

convinced of their 'powers'. i just have to ask them: " Why do you

continue catching despite years? "

 

shriadishakti/message/1884

shriadishakti/message/2863

shriadishakti/message/2865

shriadishakti/message/2957

shriadishakti/message/3001

 

 

> I was curious; for what good are collectives at all? Say for

> example you have alot of issues to work out and possible possesion

> or whatever, is it benifical to attend collective meetings and

> have them work on you until those issues have been dealt with and

> then leave to persue your path in sahaj, or should they be avoided

> all together? (now i am talking about someone JUST starting with

> sahaj) Also, being away from these collective, what does shri

> mataji mean by you can only progress in sahaja through

> collectivity and passing on sahaja yoga, if the " collectives " are

> left and the yogi is to practice on his own?( excuse me if i

> misinterpreted her words or am simply taken her words in the wrong

> contect)

>

 

Kyyan, you will have to attend the collective meetings to rid

yourself of some apparently serious problems, if that indeed is the

case. As i said before SYs are experts at subtle system knowledge.

But when you start paying too much attention on it day and night

such obsession may lead to imbalance. When young SYs (below 25)

start fearing all sorts of spiders, bats, cats and what not, there

is something very wrong. Even some adult SYs have become

conditioned, afraid to leave home without all sorts of protection. i

am not making this up. Just check with the Vashi centre in Belapour,

India and the doctors will tell you the same sad story. They just

cannot understand why some SYs have become so afraid of the world in

which they live.

 

But despite all these drawbacks you still must go to the collective.

You have to get rid of that possession which seems to be bothering

you. Once you are healed you may stay if you are comfortable. But if

that ceaseless chatter of catches and cures bother then just

continue meditating at home. There is nothing wrong with this

approach. For all i know you may just ascend faster than others

because your environment is free of fear and guilt.

 

Danny is absolutely correct when he posted this:

 

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  " calugar22 " <calugar22

Date:  Sun Dec 26, 2004  9:00 am

Subject:  Re: sahaja yoga collectives....

 

This is what Shri Mataji said about this subject..

 

Collectivity doesn't mean that we should all stick together

 

" The joy we feel during music recital is because Kundalini is

dancing. She gets happy, because you ask for nothing but enjoyment of

collectivity. Collectivity doesn't mean that we should all stick

together. Collectivity means wherever you are, you are connected.

When you are connected you love that person and are concerned about

that person. The connecting line is of love and not of hatred. But

people will live together and break each other's head. That is

because they are nowhere near the real growth of Sahaja Yogis. You

may be in any part of the world but you are connected and are

concerned. As soon as there is a problem in any part of the world,

you are connected and effective and you can manage. People don't

really understand the meaning of collectivity. Where there is not

the other- Ananya. There is no other personality. These

personalities are separated from you because of left and right or

both. You are yourself fully connected when you are absolutely

detached and your Kundalini is dancing. You are alone and never

alone. This oneness with the other gives you all the security and

the joy you want. That's why the Kundalini awakening means

collectivity. Unless and until you want pure collectivity in

your being Kundalini won't rise " . (Kundalini Puja, Germany, 1991)

 

...and this means love your neighbor like you love yourself. There is

nobody else. It is not you and the other. Collectivity doesn't mean

that we should all stick together. You can be alone, on an island,

and yet be collective.....

 

Sincerely,danny

 

--

 

SYs keep telling themselves that to be collective is to attend local

meetings, meditation etc. i call this the local collective

consciousness. Shri Mataji wants you to be in Collective

Consciousness where your attention is always within your Sahasrara

where She exists as the Adi Shakti (Hinduism), Comforter/Holy Spirit

(Christianity), Shekinah (Judaism), Ma Adi/Ruh (Islam), Mai Treya

(Buddhism), Great Mother (Taoism) and Aykaa Mayee (Sikhism). It does

not matter how you approach Her. This oneness with the Feminine

Spirit within gives you all the security and the joy you want. You

are all alone but never alone because you feel Her presence within

in the form of vibrations and guidance. Merging with Her within will

take time but once you have the experience and faith it is easy to

understand what Shri Mataji means by Ananya - It is the end of

duality.

 

In Collective Consciousness you stop caring only for SYs but begin

embracing all humanity and share their joy as well as grief. As Shri

Mataji has said: " You may be in any part of the world but you are

connected and are concerned. As soon as there is a problem in any

part of the world, you are connected and effective and you can

manage. " That is when you start caring and are concerned for the

welfare of all human beings, whether they are Indonesians, Sri

Lankans, Somalians, Indians, Burmese, Thai, Maldivians or

Malaysians. It does not matter if they are Muslims, Buddhists,

Hindus, Christians or atheists. In that Collective Consciousness you

do not want to differentiate or divide human beings. They are all

your brothers and sisters who deserve the same compassion and love.

You will definitely love all humans if you start merging in

Collective Consciousness. And you also want to tell them the Truth,

even if few want to lend support. But is does not matter as the

Collective Consciousness is Truth. So Kyyan, be both intelligent and

wise. You can be alone, on an island, and yet be collective.

 

i will end by again reminding all SYs why Mahatma Gandhi revered

Truth:

 

I deal with truth first of all, as the Satyagraha Ashram owes its

very existence to the pursuit and the attempted practice of truth.

The word satya (Truth) is derived from Sat which means 'being'.

Nothing is or exists in reality except Truth. That is why Sat or

Truth is perhaps the most important name of God, In fact it is more

correct to say that Truth is God than to say  God is truth. But as

we cannot do without a ruler or a general, such names of God

as 'King' or 'Kings' or ' The Almighty' are and will remain

generally current. On deeper thinking, however it will be realized

that Sat or Satya is the only correct and fully sign fact name for

God.

 

And where there is Truth, there is also is knowledge which is true.

Where there is no Truth, there also is knowledge which is true.

Where there is no Truth, there can be no true knowledge. That is why

the word Chit or knowledge is associated with the name of God. And

where there is true knowledge, there is always bliss. (Ananda).

There sorrow has no place. And even as Truth is eternal, so is the

bliss derived from it. Hence we know God as Sat-Chit-ananda, one who

combines in Himself Truth, Knowledge and Bliss.

 

Devotion to this Truth is the sole justification for our existence.

All our activities should be centered in Truth. Truth should be the

very breath of our life.

 

When once this stage in the pilgrim's progress is reached, all other

rules of correct living will come without effort, and obedience to

them will be instinctive. But without Truth it is impossible to

observe any principles or rules in life.

 

Generally speaking observation of the law of Truth is understood

merely to mean that we must speak the Truth. But we in the Ashram

should understand the word Satya or Truth in a much wider sense.

There should be truth in thought, truth in speech, and truth in

action. To the man who has realized this truth in its fullness,

nothing else remains to be known , because all knowledge is

necessary included in it. What is not included in it is not truth,

and so not true knowledge; and there can be no inward peace without

true knowledge. If we once learn how to apply this never failing

test of Truth, we will at once able to find out what is worth doing,

what is worth seeing, what is worth reading.

 

But how is one to to realize this Truth, which may be likened to the

philosophers stone or the cow of plenty? By single minded devotion

(abhyasa ) and indifference to all other interests in life

(vairagya) replies the Bhagavadgita. In spite, however of such

devotion, what may appear as Truth to one person will often appear

as untruth to another person. But that need not worry the seeker.

where there is honest effort, it will be realized that what appear

to be different truths are like the countless and apparently

different leaves of the same tree. Does not God himself appear to

different individuals in different aspects? Yet we know that He is

one. But Truth is the right designation of God. Hence there is

nothing wrong in every man following Truth according to his lights.

Indeed it is his duty to do so. Then if there is a mistake on the

part of any one so following Truth it will be automatically set

right. For the quest of Truth involves tapas, self suffering,

sometimes even unto death. There can be no place in it even a trace

of self interest. In such selfless search for Truth nobody can lose

his bearings for long. Directly he takes to the wrong path he

stumbles, and is thus redirected to the right path. Therefore the

pursuit of Truth is true bhakti (devotion). It is the path that

leads to God. There is no place in it for cowardice, no place for

defeat. It is the talisman by which death itself becomes the portal

to life eternal. (Source: The Mind of Mahatma Gandhi)

 

 

 

jagbir