Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 shriadishakti , jagbir singh <adishakti_org> wrote: > > ------------ > " Divine SY " <divinesahajayoga > > " Edward Saugstad " <ed_saugstad@m...> > Sat, 1 Jan 2005 14:46:11 +0100 > DivineSahajayoga The Power of Shraddha > > > Miracle from the Andaman Islands > (from Gudrun, Austrian Yogini in Madras) > > Over fifty Sahaja Yogis live on the Andaman Islands, near the > epicentre of the earthquake. About twelve were at the puja in Pune. > On the way home to Madras in the train we were shocked to read > about the disaster in the newspaper, and we suddenly fell from > heaven back onto the earth. Then one yogi said, relaxed and > peaceful, " My house is about 300 meters from the seashore. My > mother and sister are there. " Another said, " I live 1 kilometer > from the beach. " > > The next news from them came: Everything is okay. The rest of us > were sure that they would have been wiped out. The one yogi had > said on the train in India, " I traveled to Shri Mataji and She is > also at my home. That is logical. " > > The power of shraddha - Jai Shri Mataji! > > > Gudrun, Austrian Yogini in Madras > > > " manoj " <manoj >manoj Hi, Jai Shri Mataji While reading this article, I could not stop myself in sharing a miracle happened to my brother who stays in great Nicobar Islands. He is working in Indian Navy, stays with wife & a child. As told by my brother, in the morning 6.30 (The day tunsami shook the whole island) My brother & family heard a big sound & ran out of the house, the whole building collapsed after few seconds. Though he was not regular in practising in meditation, but he was carrying a photograph of Shri Mataji, which I gave while he was in India. Also a miracle is that he & family took Self Realization just before leaving to Andamans. He had told me that he was one of the few family escaped in the whole island in this great disaster. Regards Manoj Kumar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Hi Forgive me for saying this, but if Sri Mataji is God as you all appear to beleive ( & I am not actually disputing this here as such) would she not want to save everyone from these horrors and suffering -not just Sahaj Yogis and people who may happen to be carrying her photograph in their pocket at the time it happened? Since I had my experiences in Sahaj Yoga (although I left) I have found it harder and harder to "just get on with my life" whilst other people - especially babies and little children are suffering. I mean ALL people here - I am not concerned what "religion" or "race" or "colour" or sex or anything else they are - I just don't want to see them suffer - whether they are aware of karma (the law of cause and effect) or not. If I am a mere mortal and maybe in your eyes a flawed one, having left Sahaj Yoga, and feel like this - then would not Sri Mataji, in your eyes, a million million times better than I, not at least feel the same? Do you really think that anyone would be "saved" because they were in Sahaj Yoga? Have you ever wondered who would be in Heaven - because I have. If there really is a Heaven it will remain empty until there is no pain and suffering in this world - because anyone worthy of a place in it would have no "rest" let alone "bliss" there until EVERYONE on thei Earth is free from suffering! - jagbir singh shriadishakti Monday, January 03, 2005 5:05 PM [shriadishakti] Re: Miracle from the Andaman Islands: another story shriadishakti , jagbir singh <adishakti_org> wrote:> > ------------> "Divine SY" <divinesahajayoga >> "Edward Saugstad" <ed_saugstad@m...>> Sat, 1 Jan 2005 14:46:11 +0100> DivineSahajayoga The Power of Shraddha> > > Miracle from the Andaman Islands> (from Gudrun, Austrian Yogini in Madras)> > Over fifty Sahaja Yogis live on the Andaman Islands, near the> epicentre of the earthquake. About twelve were at the puja in Pune.> On the way home to Madras in the train we were shocked to read > about the disaster in the newspaper, and we suddenly fell from > heaven back onto the earth. Then one yogi said, relaxed and > peaceful, "My house is about 300 meters from the seashore. My > mother and sister are there." Another said, "I live 1 kilometer > from the beach."> > The next news from them came: Everything is okay. The rest of us> were sure that they would have been wiped out. The one yogi had > said on the train in India, "I traveled to Shri Mataji and She is > also at my home. That is logical."> > The power of shraddha - Jai Shri Mataji!> > > Gudrun, Austrian Yogini in Madras> > > "manoj" <manoj >manoj Hi,Jai Shri MatajiWhile reading this article, I could not stop myself in sharing a miracle happened to my brother who stays in great Nicobar Islands. He is working in Indian Navy, stays with wife & a child.As told by my brother, in the morning 6.30 (The day tunsami shook the whole island) My brother & family heard a big sound & ran out of the house, the whole building collapsed after few seconds.Though he was not regular in practising in meditation, but he was carrying a photograph of Shri Mataji, which I gave while he was in India. Also a miracle is that he & family took Self Realization just before leaving to Andamans.He had told me that he was one of the few family escaped in the wholeisland in this great disaster.RegardsManoj Kumar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Dear Jane, We all have the compassion, and the love for the complete emancipatiuon of man... but this surely does not mean from the pain and suffering but also fromthe greatest play....(leela)... ie emancipation must be whole, not just what we consider to be right, we are not god and to cross examine every event would surely lead to misinterpretaion... Better to have no opinion and seek the truth through vibrations... and surrender all events to the devine...This is not our play and you can either become empbroiled in its superficiality or be a witness to a drama that has been written way back and will only finish when as stated in the bible that heaven on Earth is created... Now for this to happen there needs to be a uniform acceptance of the basic principal that God exists in every man but in One form that is the infinite form of our Mother... We humans, unlike animals have been given free will... so do we excercise this free will by succumbing to our ego/superego and making deicisions that lead us further into this great play of the divine or do we only make decisions that help the play unfold in its entirety through using our vibrations....? Any way ... tis sad that lives have been lost ... but the bigger picture is the fight between good and evil and thats what we should be asking ourselves... and consider why is it that only SY get to be saved from such disasters 99% of the time...? Rgds Pareshjagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: shriadishakti , jagbir singh <adishakti_org> wrote:> > ------------> "Divine SY" <divinesahajayoga >> "Edward Saugstad" <ed_saugstad@m...>> Sat, 1 Jan 2005 14:46:11 +0100> DivineSahajayoga The Power of Shraddha> > > Miracle from the Andaman Islands> (from Gudrun, Austrian Yogini in Madras)> > Over fifty Sahaja Yogis live on the Andaman Islands, near the> epicentre of the earthquake. About twelve were at the puja in Pune.> On the way home to Madras in the train we were shocked to read > about the disaster in the newspaper, and we suddenly fell from > heaven back onto the earth. Then one yogi said, relaxed and > peaceful, "My house is about 300 meters from the seashore. My > mother and sister are there." Another said, "I live 1 kilometer > from the beach."> > The next news from them came: Everything is okay. The rest of us> were sure that they would have been wiped out. The one yogi had > said on the train in India, "I traveled to Shri Mataji and She is > also at my home. That is logical."> > The power of shraddha - Jai Shri Mataji!> > > Gudrun, Austrian Yogini in Madras> > > "manoj" <manoj >manoj Hi,Jai Shri MatajiWhile reading this article, I could not stop myself in sharing a miracle happened to my brother who stays in great Nicobar Islands. He is working in Indian Navy, stays with wife & a child.As told by my brother, in the morning 6.30 (The day tunsami shook the whole island) My brother & family heard a big sound & ran out of the house, the whole building collapsed after few seconds.Though he was not regular in practising in meditation, but he was carrying a photograph of Shri Mataji, which I gave while he was in India. Also a miracle is that he & family took Self Realization just before leaving to Andamans.He had told me that he was one of the few family escaped in the wholeisland in this great disaster.RegardsManoj Kumar ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 shriadishakti , " Jane Pickup " <jane.pickup1@b...> wrote: > Hi > > Forgive me for saying this, but if Sri Mataji is God as you all > appear to beleive ( & I am not actually disputing this here as > such) would she not want to save everyone from these horrors and > suffering -not just Sahaj Yogis and people who may happen to be > carrying her photograph in their pocket at the time it happened? > Since I had my experiences in Sahaj Yoga (although I left) I have > found it harder and harder to " just get on with my life " whilst > other people - especially babies and little children are > suffering. I mean ALL people here - I am not concerned > what " religion " or " race " or " colour " or sex or anything else they > are - I just don't want to see them suffer - whether they are > aware of karma (the law of cause and effect) or not. If I am a > mere mortal and maybe in your eyes a flawed one, having left Sahaj > Yoga, and feel like this - then would not Sri Mataji, in your > eyes, a million million times better than I, not at least feel the > same? Do you really think that anyone would be " saved " because > they were in Sahaj Yoga? Have you ever wondered who would be in > Heaven - because I have. If there really is a Heaven it will > remain empty until there is no pain and suffering in this world - > because anyone worthy of a place in it would have no " rest " let > alone " bliss " there until EVERYONE on thei Earth is free from > suffering! > Hi Jane, Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is the incarnation of the Adi Shakti. Please find out the meaning of Adi Shakti and it will really help you differentiate between Adi Shakti and God Almighty. i expect the Adi Shakti within me to protect me at all times. If She has done just that to save all SYs who worship Her i do not find anything wrong with that. i will always worship Her within and seek Her protection no matter what others think. Even if 1000 SYs had perished it would not have made no difference as i believe in Her Divine Message to all humanity. Since none have why do you seem irritated with Shri Mataji keeping Her promise to Her devotees? The questions you have asked should be posed to the priests, pastors, reverends, bishops, popes, rabbis, clerics, imams, mullahs, shaikhs, ulema, ayatollahs, gurus, swamis, pandits, brahmins, acaryas, bhagwans, granthis, gianis, lamas, monks and dalai lamas. They are the ones who claim their gods are protecting them, not those of their rivals. Since tens of thousands of faithful have perished why not seek answers from their leaders? Maybe we should ask them why their gods were so indiscriminate when they (gods) should have selected only non-Christians? non-Muslims? non-Hindus? non-Jews? non-Buddhists? non-Sikhs? Don't you think you should get angry at their gods for not protecting those who sought protection from them? But let's not bring God Almighty into this mental brawl. None of us know about Him or how He operates. Since life is eternal why are we arguing about death? So who said God Almighty killed anyone? Why are we talking about Heaven when Earth is hell? Why and what is the criteria He uses when choosing some and leaving the rest? In the first place, who are we to question Him? Jane, you are just too sensitive to all that death and destruction that is going around. That is not a healthy way to live because you will hurt daily. You are going to have really serious problems coping with life, if you don't have them at present. The future is only going to get worse and you have to really learn how to cope with this reality. Maybe now you will realize why God Almighty sent the Comforter to announce the Last Judgment as the death and destruction is only getting worse. Now those like me who believe in Him and His Call to commence the Resurrection have begin to heal ourselves and live righteous lives. Don't you think these souls who believe in His Divine Message be protected by Him? Take care and balance yourself. We humans are responsible for what is happening on earth. Don't feel so guilty or helpless as the Divine is not going to let humans destroy themselves. Let's not question those who are doing their duty and spreading the Divine Message to humanity. Don't you think Shri Mataji has done Her job? jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Hi, This is my first post here. I dont know if 'll be able to add any value to the discussion but there are a few thoughts i'd like to share: a) Are we REALLY sure that no Sahaja Yogies passed away in the tragedy? If someone did pass away then its a long shot that they themselves or their relatives would bob in here to tell u so. Im not sure the population by the coast is so internet savy. b) To the best of my knowledge, mother has not made mention of the tragedy or the cause. Further, she did not even claim to change the venue of the christmas puja from Ganipatipule to Pune for this reason. However, if its miracles we seek then there are zillion reasons we can find for reaching work alive each day. c) Jane, what you have observed is correct. SY's in general may seem a little less moved than the rest of the world at this devastating tragedy. I am a sahaja yogi and to be perfectly honest, i havent been too moved either. I really dont know why. Perhaps, as Jagbir rightly said, if we'd lost someone close then we'd be affected. Maybe, as promised, we are getting detached and identifying more with the eternal spirit that we are, rather than the transient body which we occupy. Further, as mother said in her last speech of 2004, we are all one, you, me, and the adishakti. That being the case i feel terrible for the hundreds of thousands who grieve everyday and live lives of constant turmoil. Chasing happiness in one form or another and then watching it slip away. I grieve because they dont have the bliss of Sahaja Yoga! Wishing all of you a very happy new year Warm regards, Avnish --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: > > > shriadishakti , " Jane Pickup " > <jane.pickup1@b...> wrote: > > Hi > > > > Forgive me for saying this, but if Sri Mataji is > God as you all > > appear to beleive ( & I am not actually disputing > this here as > > such) would she not want to save everyone from > these horrors and > > suffering -not just Sahaj Yogis and people who may > happen to be > > carrying her photograph in their pocket at the > time it happened? > > Since I had my experiences in Sahaj Yoga (although > I left) I have > > found it harder and harder to " just get on with my > life " whilst > > other people - especially babies and little > children are > > suffering. I mean ALL people here - I am not > concerned > > what " religion " or " race " or " colour " or sex or > anything else they > > are - I just don't want to see them suffer - > whether they are > > aware of karma (the law of cause and effect) or > not. If I am a > > mere mortal and maybe in your eyes a flawed one, > having left Sahaj > > Yoga, and feel like this - then would not Sri > Mataji, in your > > eyes, a million million times better than I, not > at least feel the > > same? Do you really think that anyone would be > " saved " because > > they were in Sahaj Yoga? Have you ever wondered > who would be in > > Heaven - because I have. If there really is a > Heaven it will > > remain empty until there is no pain and suffering > in this world - > > because anyone worthy of a place in it would have > no " rest " let > > alone " bliss " there until EVERYONE on thei Earth > is free from > > suffering! > > > > Hi Jane, > > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is the incarnation of the > Adi Shakti. > Please find out the meaning of Adi Shakti and it > will really help > you differentiate between Adi Shakti and God > Almighty. > > i expect the Adi Shakti within me to protect me at > all times. If She > has done just that to save all SYs who worship Her i > do not find > anything wrong with that. i will always worship Her > within and seek > Her protection no matter what others think. Even if > 1000 SYs had > perished it would not have made no difference as i > believe in Her > Divine Message to all humanity. Since none have why > do you seem > irritated with Shri Mataji keeping Her promise to > Her devotees? > > The questions you have asked should be posed to the > priests, > pastors, reverends, bishops, popes, rabbis, clerics, > imams, mullahs, > shaikhs, ulema, ayatollahs, gurus, swamis, pandits, > brahmins, > acaryas, bhagwans, granthis, gianis, lamas, monks > and dalai lamas. > They are the ones who claim their gods are > protecting them, not > those of their rivals. Since tens of thousands of > faithful have > perished why not seek answers from their leaders? > Maybe we should > ask them why their gods were so indiscriminate when > they (gods) > should have selected only non-Christians? > non-Muslims? non-Hindus? > non-Jews? non-Buddhists? non-Sikhs? Don't you think > you should get > angry at their gods for not protecting those who > sought protection > from them? > > But let's not bring God Almighty into this mental > brawl. None of us > know about Him or how He operates. Since life is > eternal why are we > arguing about death? So who said God Almighty killed > anyone? Why are > we talking about Heaven when Earth is hell? Why and > what is the > criteria He uses when choosing some and leaving the > rest? In the > first place, who are we to question Him? > > Jane, you are just too sensitive to all that death > and destruction > that is going around. That is not a healthy way to > live because you > will hurt daily. You are going to have really > serious problems > coping with life, if you don't have them at present. > The future is > only going to get worse and you have to really learn > how to cope > with this reality. Maybe now you will realize why > God Almighty sent > the Comforter to announce the Last Judgment as the > death and > destruction is only getting worse. Now those like me > who believe in > Him and His Call to commence the Resurrection have > begin to heal > ourselves and live righteous lives. Don't you think > these souls who > believe in His Divine Message be protected by Him? > > Take care and balance yourself. We humans are > responsible for what > is happening on earth. Don't feel so guilty or > helpless as the > Divine is not going to let humans destroy > themselves. Let's not > question those who are doing their duty and > spreading the Divine > Message to humanity. Don't you think Shri Mataji has > done Her job? > > > jagbir > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Hi, Everyone around world agrees that this has been a great diaster with so many people killed in one go. This has already caused lots of question to arise in the world starting right from "Does God really exist?" if yes then how could so many people get killed ? ..................... but the point which i really want to make here is we the SY should not get involved in these discussion too much, rather then askin question and givin answers we should instead concentrate on strenghting our roots in sahaja yoga.... we must understand the fact that Shri Mataji works through us (because we r enlightened)............ so if we squander our attention hither thiter even we will get wiped out but the divine work will not stop. So we need to just hold on to Sahaja and Shri Mataji because Mother will not make us here instrument before testing us. All we need to do is put our whole trust at Her Lotus Feet firmly believe that She does know what She is doing. This is the time were our belief's our trusts and everything will be tested. All i can say is KEEP THE FAITH and HOLD ON TO SAHAJA AND SHRI MATAJI WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT. Hemangi Avnish Bhagat <avnishbhagat wrote: Hi,This is my first post here. I dont know if 'll be ableto add any value to the discussion but there are a fewthoughts i'd like to share:a) Are we REALLY sure that no Sahaja Yogies passedaway in the tragedy? If someone did pass away then itsa long shot that they themselves or their relativeswould bob in here to tell u so. Im not sure thepopulation by the coast is so internet savy.b) To the best of my knowledge, mother has not mademention of the tragedy or the cause. Further, she didnot even claim to change the venue of the christmaspuja from Ganipatipule to Pune for this reason.However, if its miracles we seek then there arezillion reasons we can find for reaching work aliveeach day.c) Jane, what you have observed is correct. SY's ingeneral may seem a little less moved than the rest ofthe world at this devastating tragedy. I am a sahajayogi and to be perfectly honest, i havent been toomoved either. I really dont know why. Perhaps, asJagbir rightly said, if we'd lost someone close thenwe'd be affected.Maybe, as promised, we are getting detached andidentifying more with the eternal spirit that we are,rather than the transient body which we occupy.Further, as mother said in her last speech of 2004, weare all one, you, me, and the adishakti. That beingthe case i feel terrible for the hundreds of thousandswho grieve everyday and live lives of constantturmoil. Chasing happiness in one form or another andthen watching it slip away. I grieve because they donthave the bliss of Sahaja Yoga!Wishing all of you a very happy new yearWarm regards,Avnish--- jagbir singh <adishakti_org wrote: > > > shriadishakti , "Jane Pickup" > <jane.pickup1@b...> wrote:> > Hi> > > > Forgive me for saying this, but if Sri Mataji is> God as you all > > appear to beleive ( & I am not actually disputing> this here as > > such) would she not want to save everyone from> these horrors and > > suffering -not just Sahaj Yogis and people who may> happen to be > > carrying her photograph in their pocket at the> time it happened? > > Since I had my experiences in Sahaj Yoga (although> I left) I have > > found it harder and harder to "just get on with my> life" whilst > > other people - especially babies and little> children are > > suffering. I mean ALL people here - I am not> concerned > > what "religion" or "race" or "colour" or sex or> anything else they > > are - I just don't want to see them suffer -> whether they are > > aware of karma (the law of cause and effect) or> not. If I am a > > mere mortal and maybe in your eyes a flawed one,> having left Sahaj > > Yoga, and feel like this - then would not Sri> Mataji, in your > > eyes, a million million times better than I, not> at least feel the > > same? Do you really think that anyone would be> "saved" because > > they were in Sahaj Yoga? Have you ever wondered> who would be in > > Heaven - because I have. If there really is a> Heaven it will > > remain empty until there is no pain and suffering> in this world - > > because anyone worthy of a place in it would have> no "rest" let > > alone "bliss" there until EVERYONE on thei Earth> is free from > > suffering!> >> > Hi Jane,> > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is the incarnation of the> Adi Shakti. > Please find out the meaning of Adi Shakti and it> will really help > you differentiate between Adi Shakti and God> Almighty.> > i expect the Adi Shakti within me to protect me at> all times. If She > has done just that to save all SYs who worship Her i> do not find > anything wrong with that. i will always worship Her> within and seek > Her protection no matter what others think. Even if> 1000 SYs had > perished it would not have made no difference as i> believe in Her > Divine Message to all humanity. Since none have why> do you seem > irritated with Shri Mataji keeping Her promise to> Her devotees?> > The questions you have asked should be posed to the> priests, > pastors, reverends, bishops, popes, rabbis, clerics,> imams, mullahs, > shaikhs, ulema, ayatollahs, gurus, swamis, pandits,> brahmins, > acaryas, bhagwans, granthis, gianis, lamas, monks> and dalai lamas. > They are the ones who claim their gods are> protecting them, not > those of their rivals. Since tens of thousands of> faithful have > perished why not seek answers from their leaders?> Maybe we should > ask them why their gods were so indiscriminate when> they (gods) > should have selected only non-Christians?> non-Muslims? non-Hindus? > non-Jews? non-Buddhists? non-Sikhs? Don't you think> you should get > angry at their gods for not protecting those who> sought protection > from them?> > But let's not bring God Almighty into this mental> brawl. None of us > know about Him or how He operates. Since life is> eternal why are we > arguing about death? So who said God Almighty killed> anyone? Why are > we talking about Heaven when Earth is hell? Why and> what is the > criteria He uses when choosing some and leaving the> rest? In the > first place, who are we to question Him?> > Jane, you are just too sensitive to all that death> and destruction > that is going around. That is not a healthy way to> live because you > will hurt daily. You are going to have really> serious problems > coping with life, if you don't have them at present.> The future is > only going to get worse and you have to really learn> how to cope > with this reality. Maybe now you will realize why> God Almighty sent > the Comforter to announce the Last Judgment as the> death and > destruction is only getting worse. Now those like me> who believe in > Him and His Call to commence the Resurrection have> begin to heal > ourselves and live righteous lives. Don't you think> these souls who > believe in His Divine Message be protected by Him?> > Take care and balance yourself. We humans are> responsible for what > is happening on earth. Don't feel so guilty or> helpless as the > Divine is not going to let humans destroy> themselves. Let's not > question those who are doing their duty and> spreading the Divine > Message to humanity. Don't you think Shri Mataji has> done Her job?> > > jagbir> > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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