Re; Sensation [ For Jane]

[Guest guest]

Dear Jane,

There is a lot of suffering in the world, and everyone should try

and help others in the ways that they can. However, this does not

mean that the individual should submerge themselves in the suffering

of others at the expense of their own peace of mind. Thinking

excessively of others is a way of preventing thinking of oneself.

The acuteness of the pain and suffering that you are feeling for

others is your own inner pain projecting itself back at you. The

suffering of the masses becomes your suffering, and you become

overwhelmed by it. There is a limit to what you as one individual

can change in the world, and you as an individual cannot carry the

burden for the suffering of the world. A lot of things in life do

not seem fair, and I too do not understand why terrible things

happen to people who do not deserve it at all. Whatever you do can

never be enough; there is always more that is needed. No matter how

many people you help, it will not make up or console you for the

hurts that you have experienced. What I mean is that even though you

do a lot for people, you yourself will not feel happy, at peace or

satisfied with your life unless you begin to heal your own suffering

and pain. Focussing on external sources of pain does not help in

dealing with the inner pain, it just temporarily abates it.

 

There is a lot more to loving than what someone looks like. Please

do not see yourself as 'unlovable' because of your deformity. What

makes someone lovable is their character, inner strength and

courage. Love is not about liking what someone looks like; this is

just physical attraction, and this is transient and doesn't last

anyway.

Love is about having respect, admiration, tolerance and

understanding for someone. To really love someone else, though, we

first need to love ourselves.

Best wishes, Semira

 

 

 

Jane Wrote; 'Re: the apparent lack of compassion - all I can say, as

I tried to explain to someone on the group recently, is that as I am

now aware that I see many things very differently to many people

around me (they literally do not appear to " see " or " hear " what I

see and hear, and as I certainly do not think that I have reached

the pinacle of compassion or understanding - the only way I

can " make sense of things " is in thinking that there are

other " beings " around me who actually see and hear more than I do,

but as I can't see/hear things in their terms, because I am not on

their level, instead I see them as having a " lack of compassion " -

Does this make any sense?

 

I fully understand what you mean about " love " I see how transient it

is - and how " comical " " true love " is to me in romantic terms, in

this life - I have a spinal deformity and another truely horrible

physical problem (which I certainly don't want to go into here -

although it is not " noticeable " ) - please - no emails from anyone in

this group saying " You got this thing because of wrong things you

did in past lives - it is karma- you desereve it " words to which

effect a most " delightful " SY lady whom I did not know - once turned

and said to me at an event I attended in Regents Park in London (she

didn't know about the " hidden " thing - just saw the spinal

deformity - and I had merely turned and smiled at her!). Simply

because, as I am seen to be " unlovable " in romantic terms, because

of looking " ugly " re the deformity - I also know that on this Earth

in flesh and blood terms, were I to meet the kindest, sweetest, all

compassionate man in the world who fell madly " in love " with me -

were he a " dwarf " - I could not " love " him back! Hense, this implies

to me that the madness of the " transient world " - we can only " fall

in love " with those who " look " ok to us, THEN, we will consider

their " depth of soul " etc - and the depth of our love may well

depend on them staying looking ok, remaining " mentally ok " etc -

otherwise we might suddenly find we have " fallen out of love " with

them and suddenly " fallen madly in love " with someone else - (who

are purely by " coincidence " ) years younger and more beautiful! (of

course it was their " pure soul " which we " fell in love " with!).'

[Guest guest]

Hello Simira

 

Thank you for this. With the exception of saying that in the world I currently live in (you may well live in another one (The New Jerusalem?!)- one that I don't yet see, but I can accept that it is probably there) I fully maintain that people are (romantically) "loved" mainly for the physical beauty (or at least "normality"!) of their bodies (I am talking about initial attraction here, not like when someone has been in love with their husband/wife for years and something happens to disfigure them, etc - by then in such cases, the real love transends everything) and that basically it is best to just face up to this and accept it as fact! Otherwise it can be one of those many things in life (like Capitalism and the War Industry) that one does not want to face up to, so just basically goes into denial about!! There is nothing worse then "living" such a role (ie a "hunchback" like I am) and experiencing all the insults, cruel remarks and rejection you experience on a day to day basis, whilst having people tell you that "looks don't matter" or "no one notices your deformity" etc - what these people really mean is "I can't really bare to think about how superficial and cruel we all can be - so I shall choose not to see, or deny it!! It is like someone having said to a Black person who lived at the time of "apartied" in South Africa "There is no arpartied, everyone is respected as an equal, you only "imagine" these things!!

 

With the exception of the above - I can possibly accept what you are saying! Basically because, despite all I say above, "things" really don't "bother" me like they once did as I do basically know that "I am the Spirit" since that first night at that Sajah Yoga class. Thus, getting so worked up, upset, annoyed, whatever about what "Slings and arrows of outrageous fortune" that this little body might endure is (have I said this before?) is rather like an actor playing a character in a "soap opera" getting really depressed about what happens to the charater they are "playing." What I do find depressing is that when I first got this "realisation" I thought I would be amazingly "transformed" (I don't mean necessarily transformed physically - I'll explain later) - and that all the other people in Sahaj Yoga would feel like I did - that we could "work miracles" and we could "transform the world" in the twinkling of an eye - yet things seemed to prove far from the case - everyone was more busy "clearing out the catches" on each others chakras (dare I say, this reminds me of monkeys endlessly picking the nits off each others bodies!!) to have time to think about how together, we could "Build The New Jerusalem!" Yet I also accept that my failure to do this may well all boil down to "me." If so, how can I sort myself out?!

 

-

semirafields

shriadishakti

Thursday, January 13, 2005 11:17 AM

[shriadishakti] Re; Sensation [ For Jane]

Dear Jane, There is a lot of suffering in the world, and everyone should try and help others in the ways that they can. However, this does not mean that the individual should submerge themselves in the suffering of others at the expense of their own peace of mind. Thinking excessively of others is a way of preventing thinking of oneself. The acuteness of the pain and suffering that you are feeling for others is your own inner pain projecting itself back at you. The suffering of the masses becomes your suffering, and you become overwhelmed by it. There is a limit to what you as one individual can change in the world, and you as an individual cannot carry the burden for the suffering of the world. A lot of things in life do not seem fair, and I too do not understand why terrible things happen to people who do not deserve it at all. Whatever you do can never be enough; there is always more that is needed. No matter how many people you help, it will not make up or console you for the hurts that you have experienced. What I mean is that even though you do a lot for people, you yourself will not feel happy, at peace or satisfied with your life unless you begin to heal your own suffering and pain. Focussing on external sources of pain does not help in dealing with the inner pain, it just temporarily abates it.There is a lot more to loving than what someone looks like. Please do not see yourself as 'unlovable' because of your deformity. What makes someone lovable is their character, inner strength and courage. Love is not about liking what someone looks like; this is just physical attraction, and this is transient and doesn't last anyway.Love is about having respect, admiration, tolerance and understanding for someone. To really love someone else, though, we first need to love ourselves. Best wishes, SemiraJane Wrote; 'Re: the apparent lack of compassion - all I can say, as I tried to explain to someone on the group recently, is that as I am now aware that I see many things very differently to many people around me (they literally do not appear to "see" or "hear" what I see and hear, and as I certainly do not think that I have reached the pinacle of compassion or understanding - the only way I can "make sense of things" is in thinking that there are other "beings" around me who actually see and hear more than I do, but as I can't see/hear things in their terms, because I am not on their level, instead I see them as having a "lack of compassion" - Does this make any sense?I fully understand what you mean about "love" I see how transient it is - and how "comicaltrue love" is to me in romantic terms, in this life - I have a spinal deformity and another truely horrible physical problem (which I certainly don't want to go into here - although it is not "noticeable") - please - no emails from anyone in this group saying "You got this thing because of wrong things you did in past lives - it is karma- you desereve it" words to which effect a most "delightful" SY lady whom I did not know - once turned and said to me at an event I attended in Regents Park in London (she didn't know about the "hidden" thing - just saw the spinal deformity - and I had merely turned and smiled at her!). Simply because, as I am seen to be "unlovable" in romantic terms, because of looking "ugly" re the deformity - I also know that on this Earth in flesh and blood terms, were I to meet the kindest, sweetest, all compassionate man in the world who fell madly "in love" with me - were he a "dwarf" - I could not "love" him back! Hense, this implies to me that the madness of the "transient world" - we can only "fall in love" with those who "look" ok to us, THEN, we will consider their "depth of soul" etc - and the depth of our love may well depend on them staying looking ok, remaining "mentally ok" etc - otherwise we might suddenly find we have "fallen out of love" with them and suddenly "fallen madly in love" with someone else - (who are purely by "coincidence") years younger and more beautiful! (of course it was their "pure soul" which we "fell in love" with!).'

[Guest guest]

" The acuteness of the pain and suffering that you are feeling for

others is your own inner pain projecting itself back at you " -semira

 

Imagine there are no other " people " , There is no " him,Them,us,we "

There is just " me " an " I " , Go ahead and sort yourself out.

 

" I am now aware that I see many things very differently "

" I am seen to be " unlovable " in romantic terms "

" we could " transform the world " in the twinkling of an eye "

 

" I fully maintain that people are " loved " mainly for the physical

beauty "

" I see them as having a " lack of compassion "

" I can't really bare to think about how superficial and cruel we all

can be "

 

" Yet I also accept that my failure to do this may well all boil

down to " me. "

" we can only " fall in love " with those who " look " ok to us "

" he a " dwarf " - I could not " love " him back "

 

 

 

 

shriadishakti , " Jane Pickup "

<jane.pickup1@b...> wrote:

> Hello Simira

>

> Thank you for this. With the exception of saying that in the world

I currently live in (you may well live in another one (The New

Jerusalem?!)- one that I don't yet see, but I can accept that it is

probably there) I fully maintain that people are

(romantically) " loved " mainly for the physical beauty (or at

least " normality " !) of their bodies (I am talking about initial

attraction here, not like when someone has been in love with their

husband/wife for years and something happens to disfigure them, etc -

by then in such cases, the real love transends everything) and that

basically it is best to just face up to this and accept it as fact!

Otherwise it can be one of those many things in life (like

Capitalism and the War Industry) that one does not want to face up

to, so just basically goes into denial about!! There is nothing

worse then " living " such a role (ie a " hunchback " like I am) and

experiencing all the insults, cruel remarks and rejection you

experience on a day to day basis, whilst having people tell you

that " looks don't matter " or " no one notices your deformity " etc -

what these people really mean is " I can't really bare to think about

how superficial and cruel we all can be - so I shall choose not to

see, or deny it!! It is like someone having said to a Black person

who lived at the time of " apartied " in South Africa " There is no

arpartied, everyone is respected as an equal, you only " imagine "

these things!!

>

> With the exception of the above - I can possibly accept what you

are saying! Basically because, despite all I say above, " things "

really don't " bother " me like they once did as I do basically know

that " I am the Spirit " since that first night at that Sajah Yoga

class. Thus, getting so worked up, upset, annoyed, whatever about

what " Slings and arrows of outrageous fortune " that this little body

might endure is (have I said this before?) is rather like an actor

playing a character in a " soap opera " getting really depressed about

what happens to the charater they are " playing. " What I do find

depressing is that when I first got this " realisation " I thought I

would be amazingly " transformed " (I don't mean necessarily

transformed physically - I'll explain later) - and that all the

other people in Sahaj Yoga would feel like I did - that we

could " work miracles " and we could " transform the world " in the

twinkling of an eye - yet things seemed to prove far from the case -

everyone was more busy " clearing out the catches " on each others

chakras (dare I say, this reminds me of monkeys endlessly picking

the nits off each others bodies!!) to have time to think about how

together, we could " Build The New Jerusalem! " Yet I also accept that

my failure to do this may well all boil down to " me. " If so, how can

I sort myself out?!

> -

> semirafields

> shriadishakti

> Thursday, January 13, 2005 11:17 AM

> [shriadishakti] Re; Sensation [ For Jane]

>

>

>

> Dear Jane,

> There is a lot of suffering in the world, and everyone should

try

> and help others in the ways that they can. However, this does

not

> mean that the individual should submerge themselves in the

suffering

> of others at the expense of their own peace of mind. Thinking

> excessively of others is a way of preventing thinking of

oneself.

> The acuteness of the pain and suffering that you are feeling for

> others is your own inner pain projecting itself back at you. The

> suffering of the masses becomes your suffering, and you become

> overwhelmed by it. There is a limit to what you as one

individual

> can change in the world, and you as an individual cannot carry

the

> burden for the suffering of the world. A lot of things in life

do

> not seem fair, and I too do not understand why terrible things

> happen to people who do not deserve it at all. Whatever you do

can

> never be enough; there is always more that is needed. No matter

how

> many people you help, it will not make up or console you for the

> hurts that you have experienced. What I mean is that even though

you

> do a lot for people, you yourself will not feel happy, at peace

or

> satisfied with your life unless you begin to heal your own

suffering

> and pain. Focussing on external sources of pain does not help in

> dealing with the inner pain, it just temporarily abates it.

>

> There is a lot more to loving than what someone looks like.

Please

> do not see yourself as 'unlovable' because of your deformity.

What

> makes someone lovable is their character, inner strength and

> courage. Love is not about liking what someone looks like; this

is

> just physical attraction, and this is transient and doesn't last

> anyway.

> Love is about having respect, admiration, tolerance and

> understanding for someone. To really love someone else, though,

we

> first need to love ourselves.

> Best wishes, Semira

>

>

>

> Jane Wrote; 'Re: the apparent lack of compassion - all I can

say, as

> I tried to explain to someone on the group recently, is that as

I am

> now aware that I see many things very differently to many people

> around me (they literally do not appear to " see " or " hear " what

I

> see and hear, and as I certainly do not think that I have

reached

> the pinacle of compassion or understanding - the only way I

> can " make sense of things " is in thinking that there are

> other " beings " around me who actually see and hear more than I

do,

> but as I can't see/hear things in their terms, because I am not

on

> their level, instead I see them as having a " lack of

compassion " -

> Does this make any sense?

>

> I fully understand what you mean about " love " I see how

transient it

> is - and how " comical " " true love " is to me in romantic terms,

in

> this life - I have a spinal deformity and another truely

horrible

> physical problem (which I certainly don't want to go into here -

> although it is not " noticeable " ) - please - no emails from

anyone in

> this group saying " You got this thing because of wrong things

you

> did in past lives - it is karma- you desereve it " words to which

> effect a most " delightful " SY lady whom I did not know - once

turned

> and said to me at an event I attended in Regents Park in London

(she

> didn't know about the " hidden " thing - just saw the spinal

> deformity - and I had merely turned and smiled at her!). Simply

> because, as I am seen to be " unlovable " in romantic terms,

because

> of looking " ugly " re the deformity - I also know that on this

Earth

> in flesh and blood terms, were I to meet the kindest, sweetest,

all

> compassionate man in the world who fell madly " in love " with me -

 

> were he a " dwarf " - I could not " love " him back! Hense, this

implies

> to me that the madness of the " transient world " - we can

only " fall

> in love " with those who " look " ok to us, THEN, we will consider

> their " depth of soul " etc - and the depth of our love may well

> depend on them staying looking ok, remaining " mentally ok " etc -

> otherwise we might suddenly find we have " fallen out of love "

with

> them and suddenly " fallen madly in love " with someone else -

(who

> are purely by " coincidence " ) years younger and more beautiful!

(of

> course it was their " pure soul " which we " fell in love " with!).'

>

>

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