Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Ive havnt been a member very long, so granted keep that in mind. I have whoever been reading through alot of these posts and I have found some to be fairly negitive. Maybe its just me but there just seems to be alot of tension amoungst the members of this bored. I do alot of my time here reading rather then posting. Frankly i just have a hard time coming up with anything worth while to say. I have something i want to say though, I would just like to see everyone being patient with one another, all of us are here to learn and to share. It can be frustrating to teach a child to write, If you forget the many years you have used a penicl. I just thought id share my feelings this morning, take it for what you will. I guess i just assumed the joy of finding onesself would be more apparent in the advise that is givin. Instead i see the joy in self gratifing posts about how " I helped so an so " etc all of that being said, I hope im not taken the wrong way. I am certainly thankful this isnt a " support " group, an thankful for all the good advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 I agree with this, language barriers and all taken into account. Regardless of that i do notice some posts that are quite negative or, in my humble opinion/observation, brimming with ego or " i'm superior, your the lesser " type of feel to them. This is by no means the majority, but its still exists. ANyways, this forum is by far a wellspring of information and knowledge, which i am proud to be a part of Just wanted to add my 2 cents kyyan shriadishakti , " spencercorliss " <spencercorliss> wrote: > > Ive havnt been a member very long, so granted keep that in mind. > > I have whoever been reading through alot of these posts and I have > found some to be fairly negitive. Maybe its just me but there just > seems to be alot of tension amoungst the members of this bored. > > I do alot of my time here reading rather then posting. Frankly i > just have a hard time coming up with anything worth while to say. > > I have something i want to say though, > > I would just like to see everyone being patient with one another, > all of us are here to learn and to share. It can be frustrating to > teach a child to write, If you forget the many years you have used a > penicl. > > I just thought id share my feelings this morning, take it for what > you will. I guess i just assumed the joy of finding onesself would > be more apparent in the advise that is givin. Instead i see the joy > in self gratifing posts about how " I helped so an so " etc > > all of that being said, I hope im not taken the wrong way. > I am certainly thankful this isnt a " support " group, an thankful for > all the good advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Even if you hv not been a member for long spencercorliss your's is a very sahaja temperament and certainly you already seem to possess those qualities which even self certified sahaja yogis lack. it was a very accurate and honest perception of the posts at this forum. RK On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 spencercorliss wrote : >Ive havnt been a member very long, so granted keep that in mind. >I have whoever been reading through alot of these posts and I have >found some to be fairly negitive. Maybe its just me but there just >seems to be alot of tension amoungst the members of this bored. >I do alot of my time here reading rather then posting. Frankly i >just have a hard time coming up with anything worth while to say. >I have something i want to say though, >I would just like to see everyone being patient with one another, >all of us are here to learn and to share. It can be frustrating to >teach a child to write, If you forget the many years you have used a >penicl. >I just thought id share my feelings this morning, take it for what >you will. I guess i just assumed the joy of finding onesself would >be more apparent in the advise that is givin. Instead i see the joy >in self gratifing posts about how " I helped so an so " etc >all of that being said, I hope im not taken the wrong way. >I am certainly thankful this isnt a " support " group, an thankful for >all the good advice. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 shriadishakti , " kriptodanny " <kriptodanny> wrote: > > Hi Spencer.. > Thank you for your post.As I said,there is no ,,tension,,or > anything,as long your attention is on the truth.Sometimes,though,I > want to express a certain truth to somebody so badly,that I'm not > sure if I use kind words will work..why is that?...because this is > a public forum.Maybe if I use a baseball bat might work,I was > thinking.How can you tell people about love,if all their lifes they > knew only about the baseball bats?I just destroyed my former > calugar22 ID after I had a conversation with somebody who told me > that Ishmael is Shri Kalki,and ,..I just had made a reading on > him. And his guru area is all messed up.He is a fake.I know that > you wonder, as Jagbir about ,,one finger readings,,but remember > this is not a question which could be asked here,in the open.(much > less being answered ,without me looking like a ,,power > freak,,,).in the end,I present you Jagbir's words about this,and I > think they are inspiring .. > Dear Danny, The reason i questioned your one-finger readings is because many SYs find the subtle system very fascinating, as if that is what Sahaja Yoga is all about. Not only that but in their intense, unbalanced devotion to catches 'n cures they have improvished with innovations, thereby polluting the truth. Over decades this whole thing is so messed up that nowadays SS henchmen of Hitler are reborn as spiders, and the bad karma of one- arm bandits result in them incarnating as left-sided cats. All these EVIL can scare the bhoots out of young, immature SYs. Some even carry chillies and lemons in their pockets to ward off evil, just as garlic scares the wits out of Dracula and makes him flee like a bat out of hell. So your introducing the innovative one-finger reading will only cause fertile minds to speculate further. Just as some belief Ishmael is Shri Kalki so will others believe chakras can be read with one finger. Anything about the subtle system attracts them like nothing else on Earth, and some may even claim it works .......... since it worked for you. As for giving advise i think you have the wrong choice of words. Your analogy of using a " baseball bat " to explain about " love " is just that. Probably you are a very nice person in real life but in cyber space words are all we have to project ourselves. If you use aggresive words like " baseball " all we see is you swinging a bat at someone. All these inappopriate words reinforces your image as a personality that likes " attacking the people who have no wisdom " . And when you say in public that you " have no mercy or compassion from those with no true desire " , it does not go down well. Those members who find these words intimidating or aggressive have good reason to feel uncomfortable. Some may even dislike Sahaja Yoga or, worse still, blame Shri Mataji for it. Just like your own words you never know how your actions may be interpreted. Rabi Ghosh's insensitive and irresponsible remarks about the tsunami victims caused much pain to members, some even questioning if they made the right choice of becoming Shri Mataji's devotees. Learn from those who raised their muted objections to his insensitivity ....... ......... and your choice of words. jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 shriadishakti , " spencercorliss " <spencercorliss> wrote: > > Ive havnt been a member very long, so granted keep that in mind. > > I have whoever been reading through alot of these posts and I have > found some to be fairly negitive. Maybe its just me but there just > seems to be alot of tension amoungst the members of this bored. > > Hi Spencher, This is an open forum dealing in highly sensitive religious issues. Normally such forums are moderated and all posts, except for approved pro-issue members, require approval. But that is not the case here. Since it is unmoderated it allows members the freedom to post freely, provided the intention is to learn and not villify and attack Shri Mataji. That does not mean we disallow criticism against Shri Mataji, Sahaja Yoga and SYs. For example we find nothing wrong with members questioning why She did not go to Africa to help the poor, or give self-realization to all the suffering masses. Your motive to enquire must be sincere and intention to learn genuine. If the criticism is constructive the sky is the limit. Then we will try our best to answer all questions. If one wants to sabotage or spam then he/she will be removed and even banned, as was the case of a SY lately. Just being a devotee of Shri Mataji does not entitle anyone to extra privileges. i have to admit that a few SYs have caused problems that makes me question the quality of their self-realization. But if you are insensitive then others will tell you so, and that is what you are witnessing lately. Again it is a SY telling another SY to behave better. But no matter how negative these posts are they eventually bring positive results. i have always believed that negativity can and must be used to help and heal, not hinder and hurt. Sometimes negativity comes for a reason, and that energy must be harnessed and put to good use. There is a saying that has fascinated me for years: " If you want to do the impossible you must first learn to see the invisible. " i have applied this to find solutions for spreading Shri Mataji's message to humanity, solve the present problems and go around future obstacles. Even negativity must be welcome and then used to destroy itself. For years SYs have run away from it, refusing to deal and nip it in the bud. The time has come to use it positively. But i have to admit, as you have realized, dealing with it may be boring and unpleasant. But SYs just have to do this dirty job now since all that dirt swept under the carpet for years has begun to stink. Please excuse us for all the odour and rottenness around. Perhaps in future our present sanitization efforts will be welcome and deemed necessary for the general health of all. jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Hello Spencer (?) I may be one of the worst people for saying silly/negative things! But maybe I just have to get these things out - maybe others do too - but we do have to learn from each other and not think we are right all the time! Maybe the thing is to just express the "negative" things, without being "abusive" (maybe sometimes I am a bit, I'm not sure) but then try to listen and learn from others - and as you say, be patient. Do please feel free to express yourself - if a twit like me can do this - then so should you! If we "censor" everything we want to say before we say it (so that it comes out as something else quite different) too much, then we never end up saying what we really think - rather we say what we think others might "like" to hear or find acceptable. - spencercorliss shriadishakti Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:38 PM [shriadishakti] Just an observation Ive havnt been a member very long, so granted keep that in mind.I have whoever been reading through alot of these posts and I have found some to be fairly negitive. Maybe its just me but there just seems to be alot of tension amoungst the members of this bored.I do alot of my time here reading rather then posting. Frankly i just have a hard time coming up with anything worth while to say. I have something i want to say though,I would just like to see everyone being patient with one another, all of us are here to learn and to share. It can be frustrating to teach a child to write, If you forget the many years you have used a penicl.I just thought id share my feelings this morning, take it for what you will. I guess i just assumed the joy of finding onesself would be more apparent in the advise that is givin. Instead i see the joy in self gratifing posts about how "I helped so an so" etcall of that being said, I hope im not taken the wrong way. I am certainly thankful this isnt a "support" group, an thankful for all the good advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 Thank you jagbir for this website and all the work you do. I simply do not have enough thanks. I hope to know the mother as i know others, I search no more. No need to apoloigze for the odor. Danny, I dont know what a SY is, nor do i want an explanation. I dont wonder about one finger touches. I dont care to seek what is fake. Is it better to want glory of men, then to have no attention at all? Deny yourself, be humble, if kind words dont work let free will be. Jane, Be patient, Negative is there to help, let it out and you defile yourself. We always end up saying what we really think. That is what others want to hear. Censor it, try to listen and learn there is no reason to express it. I know a man, he has few possessions, no money and no home. Seeing and hearing what people say, he can no longer listen. Often quiet so that he draws no attention. Confused either love or hate him. He finds joy in that he is always wrong. I wont have internet acess for much longer, I apologize if i offend anyone. I love you all Spencer shriadishakti , " Jane Pickup " <jane.pickup1@b...> wrote: > Hello Spencer (?) > > I may be one of the worst people for saying silly/negative things! But maybe I just have to get these things out - maybe others do too - but we do have to learn from each other and not think we are right all the time! Maybe the thing is to just express the " negative " things, without being " abusive " (maybe sometimes I am a bit, I'm not sure) but then try to listen and learn from others - and as you say, be patient. > > Do please feel free to express yourself - if a twit like me can do this - then so should you! If we " censor " everything we want to say before we say it (so that it comes out as something else quite different) too much, then we never end up saying what we really think - rather we say what we think others might " like " to hear or find acceptable. > - > spencercorliss > shriadishakti > Thursday, January 13, 2005 5:38 PM > [shriadishakti] Just an observation > > > > Ive havnt been a member very long, so granted keep that in mind. > > I have whoever been reading through alot of these posts and I have > found some to be fairly negitive. Maybe its just me but there just > seems to be alot of tension amoungst the members of this bored. > > I do alot of my time here reading rather then posting. Frankly i > just have a hard time coming up with anything worth while to say. > > I have something i want to say though, > > I would just like to see everyone being patient with one another, > all of us are here to learn and to share. It can be frustrating to > teach a child to write, If you forget the many years you have used a > penicl. > > I just thought id share my feelings this morning, take it for what > you will. I guess i just assumed the joy of finding onesself would > be more apparent in the advise that is givin. Instead i see the joy > in self gratifing posts about how " I helped so an so " etc > > all of that being said, I hope im not taken the wrong way. > I am certainly thankful this isnt a " support " group, an thankful for > all the good advice. > > > - ----------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 how can we accept criticism against Shri Mataji?/? Are these words from Shaja Yogi? On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 jagbir singh wrote : >shriadishakti , " spencercorliss " ><spencercorliss> wrote: >> >> Ive havnt been a member very long, so granted keep that in mind. >> >> I have whoever been reading through alot of these posts and I have >> found some to be fairly negitive. Maybe its just me but there just >> seems to be alot of tension amoungst the members of this bored. >> >> >Hi Spencher, >This is an open forum dealing in highly sensitive religious issues. >Normally such forums are moderated and all posts, except for >approved pro-issue members, require approval. But that is not the >case here. >Since it is unmoderated it allows members the freedom to post >freely, provided the intention is to learn and not villify and >attack Shri Mataji. That does not mean we disallow criticism against >Shri Mataji, Sahaja Yoga and SYs. For example we find nothing wrong >with members questioning why She did not go to Africa to help the >poor, or give self-realization to all the suffering masses. Your >motive to enquire must be sincere and intention to learn genuine. If >the criticism is constructive the sky is the limit. Then we will try >our best to answer all questions. >If one wants to sabotage or spam then he/she will be removed and >even banned, as was the case of a SY lately. Just being a devotee of >Shri Mataji does not entitle anyone to extra privileges. i have to >admit that a few SYs have caused problems that makes me question the >quality of their self-realization. >But if you are insensitive then others will tell you so, and that is >what you are witnessing lately. Again it is a SY telling another SY >to behave better. >But no matter how negative these posts are they eventually bring >positive results. i have always believed that negativity can and >must be used to help and heal, not hinder and hurt. Sometimes >negativity comes for a reason, and that energy must be harnessed and >put to good use. >There is a saying that has fascinated me for years: " If you want to >do the impossible you must first learn to see the invisible. " i have >applied this to find solutions for spreading Shri Mataji's message >to humanity, solve the present problems and go around future >obstacles. Even negativity must be welcome and then used to destroy >itself. For years SYs have run away from it, refusing to deal and >nip it in the bud. The time has come to use it positively. >But i have to admit, as you have realized, dealing with it may be >boring and unpleasant. But SYs just have to do this dirty job now >since all that dirt swept under the carpet for years has begun to >stink. Please excuse us for all the odour and rottenness around. >Perhaps in future our present sanitization efforts will be welcome >and deemed necessary for the general health of all. >jagbir > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 I doubt it is accepting crticism but allowing crticism and we Sahaja Yogi/nis answering to the criticism while always knowing Shree Mataji is the Adishakti and therefore there is always a reason for what She does which may not be apparent to us. I would rather in priority have 1)No one criticise Shree Mataji at all 2)No one criticise Her actions baselessly 3)Have a Sahaja Yogi/ni be there if and when Her actions are criticised so that the criticism can be answered to Criticism is going to be there whether we like it or not since no two SYogi/ni minds think alike let alone non-SY minds.If we do not allow criticism in a SYoga environment , then this crticism is going to go somewhere else and heresay/presumptions/lies will gain credence.As more people discuss the crticism without a SYogi/nis viewpoint, these heresay/presumptions/lies will will soon start sounding less like heresay/presumptions/lies and more like the truth. It used to happen at the anti-SYoga forum(and still does I guess) but now there is a SYoga forum(AdiShakti forum) where the real truth can be discussed without fear while upholding Shree Mataji's name in the highest esteem. Please do not stop people from saying their minds(should not be read as please allow them to crticise Shree Mataji and/or SYoga) but try our best to overcome this criticism truthfully with words of reason, proofs from religious texts and Shree Mataji's teachings. Regards Balwinder --- rajesh kalra <kalrajesh wrote: > how can we accept criticism against Shri Mataji?/? > Are these words from Shaja Yogi? > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 jagbir singh wrote : > >shriadishakti , > " spencercorliss " > ><spencercorliss> wrote: > >> > >> Ive havnt been a member very long, so granted > keep that in mind. > >> > >> I have whoever been reading through alot of these > posts and I have > >> found some to be fairly negitive. Maybe its just > me but there just > >> seems to be alot of tension amoungst the members > of this bored. > >> > >> > >Hi Spencher, > >This is an open forum dealing in highly sensitive > religious issues. > >Normally such forums are moderated and all posts, > except for > >approved pro-issue members, require approval. But > that is not the > >case here. > >Since it is unmoderated it allows members the > freedom to post > >freely, provided the intention is to learn and not > villify and > >attack Shri Mataji. That does not mean we disallow > criticism against > >Shri Mataji, Sahaja Yoga and SYs. For example we > find nothing wrong > >with members questioning why She did not go to > Africa to help the > >poor, or give self-realization to all the suffering > masses. Your > >motive to enquire must be sincere and intention to > learn genuine. If > >the criticism is constructive the sky is the limit. > Then we will try > >our best to answer all questions. > >If one wants to sabotage or spam then he/she will > be removed and > >even banned, as was the case of a SY lately. Just > being a devotee of > >Shri Mataji does not entitle anyone to extra > privileges. i have to > >admit that a few SYs have caused problems that > makes me question the > >quality of their self-realization. > >But if you are insensitive then others will tell > you so, and that is > >what you are witnessing lately. Again it is a SY > telling another SY > >to behave better. > >But no matter how negative these posts are they > eventually bring > >positive results. i have always believed that > negativity can and > >must be used to help and heal, not hinder and hurt. > Sometimes > >negativity comes for a reason, and that energy must > be harnessed and > >put to good use. > >There is a saying that has fascinated me for years: > " If you want to > >do the impossible you must first learn to see the > invisible. " i have > >applied this to find solutions for spreading Shri > Mataji's message > >to humanity, solve the present problems and go > around future > >obstacles. Even negativity must be welcome and then > used to destroy > >itself. For years SYs have run away from it, > refusing to deal and > >nip it in the bud. The time has come to use it > positively. > >But i have to admit, as you have realized, dealing > with it may be > >boring and unpleasant. But SYs just have to do this > dirty job now > >since all that dirt swept under the carpet for > years has begun to > >stink. Please excuse us for all the odour and > rottenness around. > >Perhaps in future our present sanitization efforts > will be welcome > >and deemed necessary for the general health of all. > >jagbir > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 shriadishakti , " rajesh kalra " <kalrajesh@r...> wrote: > > how can we accept criticism against Shri Mataji?/? Are these > words from Shaja Yogi? > > Dear Rajesh, You must read again what i am trying to say: " This is an open forum dealing in highly sensitive religious issues. Normally such forums are moderated and all posts, except for approved pro-issue members, require approval. But that is not the case here. Since it is unmoderated it allows members the freedom to post freely, provided the intention is to learn and not villify and attack Shri Mataji. That does not mean we disallow criticism against Shri Mataji, Sahaja Yoga and SYs. For example we find nothing wrong with members questioning why She did not go to Africa to help the poor, or give self-realization to all the suffering masses. Your motive to enquire must be sincere and intention to learn genuine. If the criticism is constructive the sky is the limit. Then we will try our best to answer all questions. " Rajesh, members are welcome to post even criticism as long as " the intention is to learn and not villify and attack Shri Mataji. " That is the gist of the matter. Criticize constructively for the sake of removing doubts/ignorance/curiosity but DO NOT attack or villify if you do not like Shri Mataji because you believe She is a fraud out to con people. This is not the place to rage, hatred and bile. Thus there is nothing wrong with Kyyan's criticism of Shri Mataji: " > Now my question is, why has Shri mataji not gone into places like > Ethiopia, or the poorest parts of south America where people look > like skeletons, live in garbage dumps as well as eat from them (the > whole save the children commercial locations etc)and give them > realization so the mother kundalini could help heal them and help > them slowly out of their problems, both health, financially and > spiritually as well? > > The many countries where sahaja yoga has be established and is > being practiced seem to be industrialized countries, though I have > read that Shri mataji has visited many poor villages in India and > so forth to give realization. I assume however; that those > villages were nowhere near as dire and poor as those shantytowns I > referenced above. Why are they left to die by the thousands daily, > even if they are simply transitory and all else is on this planet? > IS it the karma of millions, or are the many, large, overly > populated, industrialized counties to reach a spiritually critical > mass through sahaja yoga first, at which time the people like > those in Ethiopia will be taken care of automatically? Or is it > the job of sahaja yogi's to get to the places where the " physical " > Shri MAtaji could not reach? > > Please touch on all my questions if you could, and please know I am > curious and NOT attacking Shri mataji in anyways, as I do believe > she is the adishakti, even though I had self realization over a > year ago but don't practice Sahaja yoga at all (yet). " > Now these are very easy questions to answer and explain to Kyyan. He is not looking to find faults but just honest answers. Some SY should have answered his questions by now as i do not/cannot have answers for all questions. There are SYs who can give brilliant answers but if they choose to keep quiet there is nothing i can to. i am very confident of my ability to defend criticism against Shri Mataji from those seekers whose " intention is to learn and not villify and attack Shri Mataji. " i will not censure Kyyan for asking why Shri Mataji did not go to Ethiopia. i know the Pope John Paul, President Bush, Paul Martin, Amma, Benny Hill, John Trovolta, Led Zeppelin, Bill Gates, Crown Prince of Japan, Madonna, Queen Elizabeth and thousands of other very, very important filthy rich people did not either. And neither did Mr. Burns, Homer Simpson, Mr. Krab nor SpongeBob Squarepants. If we SYs have answers to criticism why should we be afraid? Allowing negativity and answering to destroy it is far better than letting it linger on and on. For years SYs have had this defensive attitude and siege mentality. They think others are out to attack Sahaja Yoga and Shri Mataji. But that is not the case here. Kyyan just wants answers to legitimate questions, and so do others. Actually criticism is more like a rubbish dump - the longer we take to remove the garbage the more infested and stinking it will become with fishy rumours and rotting gossip. jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 Hello Jagbir, Rajesh & Kyyan I can only say that I think it must have been through "self realisation" that I began to see the world in the way I do now. I have had to really "wake up" to what goes on so that I can see there is a real need for fundamental change both in society and in the way the world is run. I used to see poverty and suffering in the Third World before and "war" pictures like that of the young girl running down the road in Vietnam, her body burning after a napalm bomb attack, and be upset, but think "There can't be a God who would let such things happen." It never occurred to me that "I" was just letting things like this happen without doing anything to try and change them or even caring as I should have done. Something has got into my heart and is warming it up and I can no longer tolerate these things. On the day after September 11th 2001 I spoke to a friend on the phone. I am trying to remember exactly what she said but I do know she said that these things happened because human beings are "flawed." People often say this kind of thing to me "People are horrible, there is nothing you can do, the world will always be like this." People often become "horrible" because of horrible things that happen to them. Rather than judging others we should rather judge ourselves and help others to heal and where there is poverty and starvation we should work to bring about conditions where they can change their circumstances. Their pain should be our pain, we cannot just cut ourselves off from them, because it is like trying not to feel the pain in a part of your body. The only way you can do this is to "numb" yourself with drugs, but the pain will still be there and you will not be truly happy or healthy, or even really "alive". After I had spoken to my friend on the phone that day I turned the radio on. It was "Woman's Hour" on Radio 4 and there was a woman talking about Sahaj Yoga. I think at first they were talking about all the criticism that was going on about Sri Mataji and Sri Mataji having said that she gets all this criticism because she is a woman! Then this other woman came on, I remember her words almost exactly and that she had a lovely voice. She was saying something about a friend of hers who had been in SY for some time but still did not know who Sri Mataji was or her significance. The woman had said to her friend "Haven't you realised by now, she is the Holy Spirit!" This was one of those "coincidences" that I should turn the radio on at that moment! Surely once "the Holy Spirit" gets in to you, or begins to stir and climb towards the light within you, you automatically wants to help to make the world a better place? We are the rich powerful ones in the West. If enough of us got this "Holy Spirit" woken up within us and "worked" on it - both within ourselves and each other (and by this I do not mean "working" on each others charkas in the way it seems to happen in SY (or as I perceived it) but to inspire one another to be the best we can be, to pull away from our negative habits and limited view of what's possible, and get out there and start performing miracles! Jane P - jagbir singh shriadishakti Sunday, January 16, 2005 3:32 AM [shriadishakti] Re: Just an observation shriadishakti , "rajesh kalra" <kalrajesh@r...> wrote:>> how can we accept criticism against Shri Mataji?/? Are these > words from Shaja Yogi?> > Dear Rajesh,You must read again what i am trying to say:"This is an open forum dealing in highly sensitive religious issues.Normally such forums are moderated and all posts, except forapproved pro-issue members, require approval. But that is not thecase here.Since it is unmoderated it allows members the freedom to postfreely, provided the intention is to learn and not villify andattack Shri Mataji. That does not mean we disallow criticism againstShri Mataji, Sahaja Yoga and SYs. For example we find nothing wrongwith members questioning why She did not go to Africa to help thepoor, or give self-realization to all the suffering masses. Yourmotive to enquire must be sincere and intention to learn genuine. Ifthe criticism is constructive the sky is the limit. Then we will tryour best to answer all questions."Rajesh, members are welcome to post even criticism as long as "the intention is to learn and not villify and attack Shri Mataji." That is the gist of the matter. Criticize constructively for the sake of removing doubts/ignorance/curiosity but DO NOT attack or villify if you do not like Shri Mataji because you believe She is a fraud out to con people. This is not the place to rage, hatred and bile.Thus there is nothing wrong with Kyyan's criticism of Shri Mataji:"> Now my question is, why has Shri mataji not gone into places like > Ethiopia, or the poorest parts of south America where people look> like skeletons, live in garbage dumps as well as eat from them (the> whole save the children commercial locations etc)and give them> realization so the mother kundalini could help heal them and help> them slowly out of their problems, both health, financially and> spiritually as well?> > The many countries where sahaja yoga has be established and is > being practiced seem to be industrialized countries, though I have > read that Shri mataji has visited many poor villages in India and > so forth to give realization. I assume however; that those > villages were nowhere near as dire and poor as those shantytowns I > referenced above. Why are they left to die by the thousands daily, > even if they are simply transitory and all else is on this planet?> IS it the karma of millions, or are the many, large, overly > populated, industrialized counties to reach a spiritually critical > mass through sahaja yoga first, at which time the people like > those in Ethiopia will be taken care of automatically? Or is it > the job of sahaja yogi's to get to the places where the "physical" > Shri MAtaji could not reach?> > Please touch on all my questions if you could, and please know I am> curious and NOT attacking Shri mataji in anyways, as I do believe > she is the adishakti, even though I had self realization over a > year ago but don't practice Sahaja yoga at all (yet).">Now these are very easy questions to answer and explain to Kyyan. He is not looking to find faults but just honest answers. Some SY should have answered his questions by now as i do not/cannot have answers for all questions. There are SYs who can give brilliant answers but if they choose to keep quiet there is nothing i can to.i am very confident of my ability to defend criticism against Shri Mataji from those seekers whose "intention is to learn and not villify and attack Shri Mataji." i will not censure Kyyan for asking why Shri Mataji did not go to Ethiopia. i know the Pope John Paul, President Bush, Paul Martin, Amma, Benny Hill, John Trovolta, Led Zeppelin, Bill Gates, Crown Prince of Japan, Madonna, Queen Elizabeth and thousands of other very, very important filthy rich people did not either. And neither did Mr. Burns, Homer Simpson, Mr. Krab nor SpongeBob Squarepants.If we SYs have answers to criticism why should we be afraid? Allowing negativity and answering to destroy it is far better than letting it linger on and on. For years SYs have had this defensive attitude and siege mentality. They think others are out to attack Sahaja Yoga and Shri Mataji. But that is not the case here. Kyyan just wants answers to legitimate questions, and so do others.Actually criticism is more like a rubbish dump - the longer we take to remove the garbage the more infested and stinking it will become with fishy rumours and rotting gossip. jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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