Patel, is this what Shri Mataji told SYs or have you just made this nonsense up?

January 19, 2005

" Cheddi Lal Patel " <clp1938@h...>

Sat Jan 8, 2005 12:48 pm

Reg Spreading of sahaja yoga.

Dear All,

Spreading of sahaja yoga at this juncture is of utmost importance.

We have come to know that Shri Mataji has completed Her work. Now

the responsibility has come to sahaja yogies all over the world to

take up this assignment whole heartedly. There is no other work

other than work of sahaja yoga to save the humanity.

Shri Mataji has not left any stone unturned to tell about the work

of The Divine. It is the job of the Divine, we only have to be the

devoted and dedicated instruments. Only thing is that we have to

find the effective means and methods to do the job of spreading

sahaja yoga.

Now we have all the techniques and techonologies for external work

at the same time the Divine blessing of Shri Mataji.

We need not quote the long narrations from the scriptures and also

write big articles to tell about sahaja yoga or amswer questions

frequently asked. Only What The Mother has said in Her teachings in

most simplied manner will help.

So giving the experience is importat and not the explanations. Later

on to go to the depths there are so many tips which can be told and

practiced.

Pray by Her Divine grace we will be able to carry out the tasks

successfully.

JSM

C L Patel.

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Dear All,

Contrary to what is being advised by Cheddi Lal Patel, we SYs need

quote narrations from the scriptures, write articles to tell about

sahaja yoga and answer questions frequently asked. i just don't know

what to make of his advise of just " giving the experience is

important and not the explanations " . It almost defies logic and

common sense to follow his advise.

Well, let me tell Cheddi Lal Patel just about the Koran and Shri

Mataji (because i don't have time or desire to correct other faults):

1) Shri Mataji's father was a renowned scholar, master of 14

languages, and translated the Koran in Marathi.

2) On 28 February 1990, while on Her way to Australia, Shri Mataji

Nirmala Devi stopped at Changi Airport, Singapore. She informed the

SYs who had gathered to meet Her that in Islam there was a complete

surah written about Her. In this surah it was stated that the Sent

One will give Realization, will make you Pirs and give Collective

Consciousness. But you will be non-believers. That surah is Al-

Qiyamah (The Resurrection) and that is the reason www.al-qiyamah.org

website was set up. Till then no SY had any idea which surah Shri

Mataji was talking about on 28 February 1990.

According to Cheddi Lal Patel to spread Sahaja Yoga we need not

quote long narrations from scripture, need not write articles to

tell about sahaja yoga, don't have to answer questions frequently

asked, and don't tell the explanations for the experience of cool

breeze. Patel, is this what Shri Mataji told SYs or have you just

made this nonsense up? Since i am very sure Shri Mataji has never

said so, even encouraging us to write books, you must have made all

this up. Do i have to wonder why you are giving such foolish advise?

jagbir

BTW, Dan Costian and Gregoire have extensive quotes from scriptures

in their books. They also have written articles about Sahaja Yoga.

They also have given explanations for the spiritual experience. What

have you got to say about all this?

January 19, 2005

Agree with jagbir. only those who know and understand scriptures will be able to tell others about it. sahaja yoga gives a practical experience of all that is described in the scriptures. in many lectures Shri Mataji has also told sahaja yogis to read these scriptures and also learn everything about the mechanism of the subtle system. telling about it to others also creates an environment for them to be able to absorb it better.

RK

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 jagbir singh wrote :

> " Cheddi Lal Patel " <clp1938@h...>

>Sat Jan 8, 2005 12:48 pm

>Reg Spreading of sahaja yoga.

>Dear All,

>Spreading of sahaja yoga at this juncture is of utmost importance.

>We have come to know that Shri Mataji has completed Her work. Now

>the responsibility has come to sahaja yogies all over the world to

>take up this assignment whole heartedly. There is no other work

>other than work of sahaja yoga to save the humanity.

>Shri Mataji has not left any stone unturned to tell about the work

>of The Divine. It is the job of the Divine, we only have to be the

>devoted and dedicated instruments. Only thing is that we have to

>find the effective means and methods to do the job of spreading

>sahaja yoga.

>Now we have all the techniques and techonologies for external work

>at the same time the Divine blessing of Shri Mataji.

>We need not quote the long narrations from the scriptures and also

>write big articles to tell about sahaja yoga or amswer questions

>frequently asked. Only What The Mother has said in Her teachings in

>most simplied manner will help.

>So giving the experience is importat and not the explanations. Later

>on to go to the depths there are so many tips which can be told and

>practiced.

>Pray by Her Divine grace we will be able to carry out the tasks

>successfully.

>JSM

>C L Patel.

>-----------------------

>Dear All,

>Contrary to what is being advised by Cheddi Lal Patel, we SYs need

>quote narrations from the scriptures, write articles to tell about

>sahaja yoga and answer questions frequently asked. i just don't know

>what to make of his advise of just " giving the experience is

>important and not the explanations " . It almost defies logic and

>common sense to follow his advise.

>Well, let me tell Cheddi Lal Patel just about the Koran and Shri

>Mataji (because i don't have time or desire to correct other faults):

>1) Shri Mataji's father was a renowned scholar, master of 14

>languages, and translated the Koran in Marathi.

>2) On 28 February 1990, while on Her way to Australia, Shri Mataji

>Nirmala Devi stopped at Changi Airport, Singapore. She informed the

>SYs who had gathered to meet Her that in Islam there was a complete

>surah written about Her. In this surah it was stated that the Sent

>One will give Realization, will make you Pirs and give Collective

>Consciousness. But you will be non-believers. That surah is Al-

>Qiyamah (The Resurrection) and that is the reason www.al-qiyamah.org

>website was set up. Till then no SY had any idea which surah Shri

>Mataji was talking about on 28 February 1990.

>According to Cheddi Lal Patel to spread Sahaja Yoga we need not

>quote long narrations from scripture, need not write articles to

>tell about sahaja yoga, don't have to answer questions frequently

>asked, and don't tell the explanations for the experience of cool

>breeze. Patel, is this what Shri Mataji told SYs or have you just

>made this nonsense up? Since i am very sure Shri Mataji has never

>said so, even encouraging us to write books, you must have made all

>this up. Do i have to wonder why you are giving such foolish advise?

>jagbir

>BTW, Dan Costian and Gregoire have extensive quotes from scriptures

>in their books. They also have written articles about Sahaja Yoga.

>They also have given explanations for the spiritual experience. What

>have you got to say about all this?

>

January 20, 2005

shriadishakti , " rajesh kalra "

<kalrajesh@r...> wrote:

> Agree with jagbir. only those who know and understand

scriptures

will be able to tell others about it. sahaja yoga gives a practical

experience of all that is described in the scriptures. in many

lectures Shri Mataji has also told sahaja yogis to read these

scriptures and also learn everything about the mechanism of the

subtle system. telling about it to others also creates an

environment for them to be able to absorb it better.

> RK

>

Chhedilal Patel admitted he made a mistake and seeks an apology

which is more than granted. i believe it was an honest error and

have no hard feelings about whatever was wrtitten. It pains me also

to say things against my SY brothers and sister but they are

necessary to undo the past damage, whatever it is. Maybe it may

bring some good and we SYs learn not play into the hands of this

small group of SYs who are having their own agenda. Just take care

not to be taken in by these negative elements within Sahaja Yoga.

jagbir

Avdhut · January 22, 2011

Sri Mataji has always prefered action over words, decrying the seeker who only asks questions and explanations for everything. If one has realisation one will find out everything soon enough. The 'TV' gets switched on and then one finds out about how it works. Her words, not so Jagbir ? I Believe Patel was only trying to make this point.

Of course if one has the intellectual wisdom at hand it is useful, but Sahaja Yoga, the state of being, occurs in people who have never seen or heard of H.H. Sri Mataji Nirmala Devi, she is after all Mahamaya and as such in all places at all times, including the humanbeing who does not know themselves.

Endless people can quote scriptures in a bid to sound very knowledgable and special, but 'the proof is in the pudding' so to speak. To do so know I can say that Jesus the Christ himself said that the Devil himself is the best at quoting scripture.

All this is not to denounce our most Holy and Gracious guru, Lord and Incarnation of Adi Shakti itself, on Earth as it is in Heaven, but to try, as you say, to right the wrongs that are commited by beloved family, out of Love only.

Sahaja Yoga isa state of being achievable by the most illiterate of persons, but not by the stupid.

She has compelled us all to grow and develop our wisdom and intellect, but certainly not to be intellectuals only; more scribes propping up the pillars of some so called Religous dynasty that has nothing but politics and words to offer humanity.

I thank God in you for listening.