Why are SYs expending so much energy and effort to suppress...

[Guest guest]

Jagbir Wrote;

Just because the phrase " common sense " was coined it does not mean

is applies to all situations. There are times when it is sorely

lacking despite years of brainstorming. And when you try to keep SY

secret and strictly " For members only " seekers know something is not

right. Whatever you are trying to keep away from the public eye has

great potential to damage because outsiders may think it could be a

strange cult that requires weird rituals and beliefs. Who knows what

others are making out of these 'top-secret' sites guarded by

password sentries patrolling with digital dogs. And when SYs like me

finally read all that is so jealously guarded i don't know whether

to cry or laugh. But at least i know we have the potential to make

ourselves look dumb.

 

> Why do we have so many different websites each having only partial

> information? why cant we unite all info. into one website?

> Wouldnt it be not only beneficial for newcommers..but also for

> us?

>

 

Sahaja Yoga is now split between the mainstream subtle system of the

priestly class and the tiny mystical band who insist the Divine

Message must be announced. Throughout history these two powers have

always opposed and fought against each other. The priestly class

have always triumphed because they hold sway over the masses by

keeping them in ignorance and demonizing their rivals. It is no

different now. But Shri Mataji has vowed that the " Truth which is

Absolute has to express itself in these modern times. And even if it

is not accepted it will never die. On the contrary, if it is not

accepted, it will expose all falsehood and destroy it! " Only

priestly fools think She means chakras, catches and cures.

 

Dear Jagbir,

For me this issue of how SY is being promoted is crucial and

unacceptable. There can NEVER, EVER be an excuse to lie,

misrepresent or evade an issue.

The official website of SY continues the softsell approach of the

pamphlets; that SY is a 'meditation exercise for stress release'. I

have also read discussions where SYs justify their dishonest

promoting by saying that 'people will come in time to see the Truth

of SY themselves' and that 'people will think it is crazy if they

are told the Truth straight up front'. This is immoral, and there is

no excuse for this. If something is begun in deceit and lies, then

there is doubt on all the rest of it.

Why do SYs feel that the Divine Message is something that should be

lied about and hidden?

It seems simple enough to me; either Sahaja Yoga is about the Divine

Message to all humanity, or it isn't. If it is, then it must be

declared openly and clearly as such by all who believe it, and not

obscured by doubts and lies. There is nothing to 'misunderstand'

or 'not be sure of' here.

Why does Shri Mataji Herself accept and allow these things to happen?

Surely She does not agree with the way that Sahaja Yoga is being

promoted?

Regards, Semira

[Guest guest]

Hello Semira

 

Re:

 

"Why do SYs feel that the Divine Message is something that should be lied about and hidden?"

Something has happened to me today that is so bizarre, absurd and comical (when I thought the situation was quite serious!) that I have kind of "remembered" again what I "know" the "Divine Message" to be!!

 

Hints: The week that I first did the Self Realisation exercise in SY I walked around thinking "Now, I must remember from now on, I'm in this play. It's called "The Last Judgement." A girl called "Leila" (DHARMA, LEELA, MAYA,) started working in our office. I got an obsession around that time with Michaelangelo's painting of "The Last Judgement" and noticed the "masks" and the chap holding up the "skin" of a person. I even identify with a doctor from the Seventeenth Century who said that the Last Judgement" would start in the year 2000 and that at "The Last Judgement" all the actors would "unmask" and walk off stage. Dante wrote "The Divine Comedy" & we know about "Virtual Reality" these days! Well, this is what "Sajah Yoga Realisation" means for me! I just "forgot" again and fell back into "the trap." If this is what people mean when they say they are not so upset by "suffering" I can cope with this more now. Well, don't know if this makes sense to anyone else - but I'm sticking with this, as it is true and makes perfect sense to me! It's just remembering it ALL the time and living it that's the difficult bit!

 

-

semirafields

shriadishakti

Tuesday, January 25, 2005 11:20 AM

[shriadishakti] Why are SYs expending so much energy and effort to suppress...

Jagbir Wrote;Just because the phrase "common sense" was coined it does not meanis applies to all situations. There are times when it is sorelylacking despite years of brainstorming. And when you try to keep SYsecret and strictly "For members only" seekers know something is notright. Whatever you are trying to keep away from the public eye hasgreat potential to damage because outsiders may think it could be astrange cult that requires weird rituals and beliefs. Who knows whatothers are making out of these 'top-secret' sites guarded bypassword sentries patrolling with digital dogs. And when SYs like mefinally read all that is so jealously guarded i don't know whetherto cry or laugh. But at least i know we have the potential to makeourselves look dumb.> Why do we have so many different websites each having only partial> information? why cant we unite all info. into one website?> Wouldnt it be not only beneficial for newcommers..but also for> us?>Sahaja Yoga is now split between the mainstream subtle system of thepriestly class and the tiny mystical band who insist the DivineMessage must be announced. Throughout history these two powers havealways opposed and fought against each other. The priestly classhave always triumphed because they hold sway over the masses bykeeping them in ignorance and demonizing their rivals. It is nodifferent now. But Shri Mataji has vowed that the "Truth which isAbsolute has to express itself in these modern times. And even if itis not accepted it will never die. On the contrary, if it is notaccepted, it will expose all falsehood and destroy it!" Onlypriestly fools think She means chakras, catches and cures.Dear Jagbir,For me this issue of how SY is being promoted is crucial and unacceptable. There can NEVER, EVER be an excuse to lie, misrepresent or evade an issue. The official website of SY continues the softsell approach of the pamphlets; that SY is a 'meditation exercise for stress release'. I have also read discussions where SYs justify their dishonest promoting by saying that 'people will come in time to see the Truth of SY themselves' and that 'people will think it is crazy if they are told the Truth straight up front'. This is immoral, and there is no excuse for this. If something is begun in deceit and lies, then there is doubt on all the rest of it.Why do SYs feel that the Divine Message is something that should be lied about and hidden?It seems simple enough to me; either Sahaja Yoga is about the Divine Message to all humanity, or it isn't. If it is, then it must be declared openly and clearly as such by all who believe it, and not obscured by doubts and lies. There is nothing to 'misunderstand' or 'not be sure of' here. Why does Shri Mataji Herself accept and allow these things to happen?Surely She does not agree with the way that Sahaja Yoga is being promoted?Regards, Semira

[Guest guest]

shriadishakti , " semirafields "

<semirafields> wrote:

>

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> For me this issue of how SY is being promoted is crucial and

> unacceptable. There can NEVER, EVER be an excuse to lie,

> misrepresent or evade an issue.

>

 

i totally agree with you Semira and it pains me to admit that the

rank and file SYs do not have the conscience to be truthful. i used

to feel _real pain_ in my heart because my Montreal collective

remained so adamant to telling the truth. When i began to insist

they must tell seekers that Shri Mataji is the Adi Shakti (Spirit of

God) sent to deliver the Divine Message to humanity most of them

turned against me. The worst is that they made me feel i was going

against Shri Mataji.

 

One day i sent the collective an email where a non-SY visitor

praised the www.adishakti.org website for being so informative and

truthful in helping understand Christianity better. i got a nasty

reply from one former leader who was close to Shri Mataji. The straw

that broke the camel's back was his apparent glee that my work

accident was divine retribution for whatever i was doing i.e.

telling the truth about Shri Mataji at www.adishakti.org. This gave

me quite a shock and reflected the twisted logic some SYs apply to

support their reasoning. That he was a senior, well-established SY

only made it worse. i wrote back that till the day comes when the

Montreal collective tells the truth about Shri Mataji and Her Divine

Message to humanity my family will never return. Now it is about

five years and counting. i want no part of this well-orchestrated

and elaborate plan to suppress the truth.

 

Over these years i have felt better because i do not have to watch

and listen to SYs who roar like lions in private but squeak like

mice in public. My conscience is clear and heart at peace that i am

doing my duty with honesty and integrity. There is no way i will

compromise with the present method used by SYs to promote Sahaja

Yoga. Even if not a single SY remains on my side i will never back

off from upholding the Divine Message. My conscience just cannot

bear compromising on so vital and unprecedented a Divine Message.

 

> The official website of SY continues the softsell approach of the

> pamphlets; that SY is a 'meditation exercise for stress release'.

> I have also read discussions where SYs justify their dishonest

> promoting by saying that 'people will come in time to see the

> Truth of SY themselves' and that 'people will think it is crazy if

> they are told the Truth straight up front'. This is immoral, and

> there is no excuse for this. If something is begun in deceit and

> lies, then there is doubt on all the rest of it.

>

 

Yes, it is true the official website promotes Sahaja Yoga in a way

that induces the public to think it is a sort of subtle system

meditation exercise, stress release being one of the benefits. Yes,

SYs do justify their dishonesty in the wishful believe that

newcomers will hang on till they are ready for the truth. 99% of

them leave quickly without ever seeing the Truth of Sahaja Yoga.

Yes, most SYs believe this conjured rational that 'people will think

it is crazy if they are told the Truth straight up front'. Nothing

is further from the truth. It is true that if you try to explain the

Divine Message in terms of chakras, catches and cures the whole

world will laugh at you. But when you tell them in detail about Shri

Mataji's Divine Message by relating and synthesizing it with

scripture, religious traditions and their messengers - as i have

done in www.adishakti.org and www.al-qiyamah.org - people will sit

up and listen. For five years now these websites have proved wrong

those SYs who tell others that 'people will think it is crazy if

they are told the Truth straight up front'.

 

Yes, hiding the truth is immoral and there is no excuse for it. Yes,

if something is begun in deceit and lies, then there is doubt on all

the rest of it. SYs are resorting to lies because of their own

unfounded fears that the truth will be too much. The actual reality

is that telling the truth is in fact too much for them, and not

others accepting it. i think five years should be enough for them to

realize that.

 

> Why do SYs feel that the Divine Message is something that should

> be lied about and hidden? It seems simple enough to me; either

> Sahaja Yoga is about the Divine Message to all humanity, or it

> isn't. If it is, then it must be declared openly and clearly as

> such by all who believe it, and not obscured by doubts and lies.

> There is nothing to 'misunderstand' or 'not be sure of' here.

>

 

Try telling that to SYs and see how they will twist and turn. A few

days ago i was talking to my wife about what you are telling me. She

replied that SYs find it far easier to talk about chakras, catches,

cures than anything else. The reason they do not talk about the

Divine Message is because they know little about Shri Mataji's

Divine Message in relation with scripture, religious traditions and

their messengers. i know this to be true because even 'christian'

SYs have little knowledge about how the Bible upholds the Divine

Message. Few can tell you with confidence about the Comforter being

Shri Mataji. One SYogini i knew puts in a nutshell why 'christian'

SYs do not quote scripture: " People in Quebec do not believe in the

Bible. " Thus she feels SYs should not quote scripture to promote

Sahaja Yoga. (Just a few weeks ago one SY sent a post to

divinesahajayoga telling more than 600 members just that - we SYs

need not quote scripture. So what i witnessed years ago about that

foolish SYogini now makes sense to some SYs.)

 

But i know all these are defense mechanisms put in place to justify

telling lies to promote the truth since they think there is no other

way. Strangely dishonest as this reasoning is the sad fact remains

that many SYs accept it. i am just trying to tell them that you need

not resort to such unethical ways to promote Sahaja Yoga. All you

need to present the truth as Shri Mataji has revealed is to

articulate it intelligently so that it makes sense.

 

And Shri Mataji has revealed much over three decades about the

Divine Message. Chakras, catches, cures make up less than 5% of all

Her lectures. Yet SYs pretentiously inform the general public that

is all to it, afraid that 'people will think it is crazy if they are

told the (other 95% of the) Truth straight up front'. Few realize

that by doing so SYs are unconsciously implying that Shri Mataji's

message is crazy. i do not know how many realize that She is doing

so in public to strangers who hear it for the first time ever. Do

these SYs think She is making a terrible mistake?

 

But who are these SYs actually perpetuating the fear that the public

will react, and thus need sustaining this silence by keeping others

in check. i mean you just can't support Shri Mataji and then tell

other SYs that they should not repeat Her mistake since 'people will

think it is crazy if they are told the Truth straight up front'. i

have never been able to understand this approach and who are those

behind it.

 

So Semira, let me tell you a true story that may give clues, and i

quote Margaret B. Gunness:

 

" Jesus was speaking to his disciples and to the crowds that had

gathered around. He was teaching them the things he wanted so

desperately for them to understand, things that he knew to be

profoundly necessary for their life and, in a way, for his life as

well. And these same things are also necessary for your life and for

mine, so let's us join those crowds for a moment or two, and listen

as well the teachings of Jesus.

 

" The scribes and Pharisees sit on Moses' seat " he says, a seat of

great authority. And because they have this authority, he says, " do

whatever they teach you and follow it; But, " he adds, " do not do as

they do, for they do not practice what they preach. " For you see,

they are hypocrites, holding up for others a standard of behavior

which they themselves do not practice or live by. They are

pretenders, people who are divided within themselves, people without

wholeness, without integrity. And what they are doing then is

hiding, hiding the truth of their inmost selves behind the masks of

pretension that they are wearing, masks that separate them from the

very people they are called to lead. "

 

> Why does Shri Mataji Herself accept and allow these things to

> happen? Surely She does not agree with the way that Sahaja Yoga is

> being promoted?

>

 

Shri Mataji has from the very onset has always proclaimed the Divine

Message in hundreds of public programs and lectures. She has left no

stone unturned to ensure its success. But there are powers in Sahaja

Yoga who want to suppress the Truth. Some have told Her that Jagbir

and his websites are dangerous for the public and should be cause

for concern. (i believe ex-world leader Yogi Mahajan was also not

agreeable to what my children and i am telling. There are others who

are afraid of the Truth.)

 

Semira, if Shri Mataji was agreeable the way Sahaja Yoga is being

officially promoted these people would have succeeded years ago in

closing www.adishakti.org and www.al-qiyamah.org down. A few

attempts were made but to no avail. Shri Mataji just told them there

is nothing wrong with what i am doing, and that goes a long way to

vouch Her integrity. i mean She even went against leaders close to

Her. So that shows Shri Mataji did not agree to the unfounded fears

of certain leaders that 'people will think it is crazy if they are

told the Truth straight up front'.

 

i still am waiting for the day when some SY will tell me why Shri

Mataji tells the Truth upfront at public programs. Maybe they should

also tell Her that 'people will think it is crazy if they are told

the Truth straight up front'.

 

Now let me finish off with me quoting Margaret B. Gunness again:

 

" These words of Jesus' teaching are words which are calling us into

the very depths of our own integrity, calling us into a radical

honesty about ourselves and about who we are both as individuals and

as a people in relationship with God. We are students; we are

children; we are servants. And God is our teacher, our parent and

our Messiah. And if we could only grasp this and realize the gift

that it is, we would indeed be relieved of that terrible, heavy

burden of trying to be who we are not. "

 

Maybe if SYs just told the simple, plain truth they would indeed be

relieved of that terrible, heavy burden of trying to hide from

humanity what should never ever be hidden because it is meant

exclusively for them. The Divine Message is entirely for all humans

and no SY has the right to judge they are not ready. NO SY HAS THE

RIGHT TO DENY HUMANITY THE RIGHT TO BE TOLD OF GOD ALMIGHTY'S DIVINE

MESSAGE. The very nature of this deceitful belief not to, based on

groundless fears, makes it a monstrous and utterly unforgivable act!

 

Jai Shri Mataji,

 

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

Dear Jagbir

 

Quoting from you below:

 

"They are pretenders, people who are divided within themselves, people without wholeness, without integrity. And what they are doing then is hiding, hiding the truth of their inmost selves behind the masks of pretension that they are wearing, masks that separate them from the very people they are called to lead."

 

Know Thyself and Pass It On

 

Some people maybe don't like what they see when they start to really look at themselves and the world around them, so they stay within the bubble of unreality - hiding behind their masks!

 

 

-

jagbir singh

shriadishakti

Tuesday, January 25, 2005 4:25 PM

[shriadishakti] Re: Why are SYs expending so much energy and effort to suppress...

shriadishakti , "semirafields" <semirafields> wrote:> > Dear Jagbir,>> For me this issue of how SY is being promoted is crucial and > unacceptable. There can NEVER, EVER be an excuse to lie, > misrepresent or evade an issue. >i totally agree with you Semira and it pains me to admit that the rank and file SYs do not have the conscience to be truthful. i used to feel _real pain_ in my heart because my Montreal collective remained so adamant to telling the truth. When i began to insist they must tell seekers that Shri Mataji is the Adi Shakti (Spirit of God) sent to deliver the Divine Message to humanity most of them turned against me. The worst is that they made me feel i was going against Shri Mataji.One day i sent the collective an email where a non-SY visitor praised the www.adishakti.org website for being so informative and truthful in helping understand Christianity better. i got a nasty reply from one former leader who was close to Shri Mataji. The straw that broke the camel's back was his apparent glee that my work accident was divine retribution for whatever i was doing i.e. telling the truth about Shri Mataji at www.adishakti.org. This gave me quite a shock and reflected the twisted logic some SYs apply to support their reasoning. That he was a senior, well-established SY only made it worse. i wrote back that till the day comes when the Montreal collective tells the truth about Shri Mataji and Her Divine Message to humanity my family will never return. Now it is about five years and counting. i want no part of this well-orchestrated and elaborate plan to suppress the truth.Over these years i have felt better because i do not have to watch and listen to SYs who roar like lions in private but squeak like mice in public. My conscience is clear and heart at peace that i am doing my duty with honesty and integrity. There is no way i will compromise with the present method used by SYs to promote Sahaja Yoga. Even if not a single SY remains on my side i will never back off from upholding the Divine Message. My conscience just cannot bear compromising on so vital and unprecedented a Divine Message.> The official website of SY continues the softsell approach of the > pamphlets; that SY is a 'meditation exercise for stress release'. > I have also read discussions where SYs justify their dishonest > promoting by saying that 'people will come in time to see the > Truth of SY themselves' and that 'people will think it is crazy if > they are told the Truth straight up front'. This is immoral, and > there is no excuse for this. If something is begun in deceit and > lies, then there is doubt on all the rest of it.>Yes, it is true the official website promotes Sahaja Yoga in a way that induces the public to think it is a sort of subtle system meditation exercise, stress release being one of the benefits. Yes, SYs do justify their dishonesty in the wishful believe that newcomers will hang on till they are ready for the truth. 99% of them leave quickly without ever seeing the Truth of Sahaja Yoga. Yes, most SYs believe this conjured rational that 'people will think it is crazy if they are told the Truth straight up front'. Nothing is further from the truth. It is true that if you try to explain the Divine Message in terms of chakras, catches and cures the whole world will laugh at you. But when you tell them in detail about Shri Mataji's Divine Message by relating and synthesizing it with scripture, religious traditions and their messengers - as i have done in www.adishakti.org and www.al-qiyamah.org - people will sit up and listen. For five years now these websites have proved wrong those SYs who tell others that 'people will think it is crazy if they are told the Truth straight up front'.Yes, hiding the truth is immoral and there is no excuse for it. Yes, if something is begun in deceit and lies, then there is doubt on all the rest of it. SYs are resorting to lies because of their own unfounded fears that the truth will be too much. The actual reality is that telling the truth is in fact too much for them, and not others accepting it. i think five years should be enough for them to realize that.> Why do SYs feel that the Divine Message is something that should > be lied about and hidden? It seems simple enough to me; either > Sahaja Yoga is about the Divine Message to all humanity, or it > isn't. If it is, then it must be declared openly and clearly as > such by all who believe it, and not obscured by doubts and lies. > There is nothing to 'misunderstand' or 'not be sure of' here. >Try telling that to SYs and see how they will twist and turn. A few days ago i was talking to my wife about what you are telling me. She replied that SYs find it far easier to talk about chakras, catches, cures than anything else. The reason they do not talk about the Divine Message is because they know little about Shri Mataji's Divine Message in relation with scripture, religious traditions and their messengers. i know this to be true because even 'christian' SYs have little knowledge about how the Bible upholds the Divine Message. Few can tell you with confidence about the Comforter being Shri Mataji. One SYogini i knew puts in a nutshell why 'christian' SYs do not quote scripture: "People in Quebec do not believe in the Bible." Thus she feels SYs should not quote scripture to promote Sahaja Yoga. (Just a few weeks ago one SY sent a post to divinesahajayoga telling more than 600 members just that - we SYs need not quote scripture. So what i witnessed years ago about that foolish SYogini now makes sense to some SYs.)But i know all these are defense mechanisms put in place to justify telling lies to promote the truth since they think there is no other way. Strangely dishonest as this reasoning is the sad fact remains that many SYs accept it. i am just trying to tell them that you need not resort to such unethical ways to promote Sahaja Yoga. All you need to present the truth as Shri Mataji has revealed is to articulate it intelligently so that it makes sense. And Shri Mataji has revealed much over three decades about the Divine Message. Chakras, catches, cures make up less than 5% of all Her lectures. Yet SYs pretentiously inform the general public that is all to it, afraid that 'people will think it is crazy if they are told the (other 95% of the) Truth straight up front'. Few realize that by doing so SYs are unconsciously implying that Shri Mataji's message is crazy. i do not know how many realize that She is doing so in public to strangers who hear it for the first time ever. Do these SYs think She is making a terrible mistake?But who are these SYs actually perpetuating the fear that the public will react, and thus need sustaining this silence by keeping others in check. i mean you just can't support Shri Mataji and then tell other SYs that they should not repeat Her mistake since 'people will think it is crazy if they are told the Truth straight up front'. i have never been able to understand this approach and who are those behind it. So Semira, let me tell you a true story that may give clues, and i quote Margaret B. Gunness:"Jesus was speaking to his disciples and to the crowds that had gathered around. He was teaching them the things he wanted so desperately for them to understand, things that he knew to be profoundly necessary for their life and, in a way, for his life as well. And these same things are also necessary for your life and for mine, so let's us join those crowds for a moment or two, and listen as well the teachings of Jesus. "The scribes and Pharisees sit on Moses' seat" he says, a seat of great authority. And because they have this authority, he says, "do whatever they teach you and follow it; But," he adds, "do not do as they do, for they do not practice what they preach." For you see, they are hypocrites, holding up for others a standard of behavior which they themselves do not practice or live by. They are pretenders, people who are divided within themselves, people without wholeness, without integrity. And what they are doing then is hiding, hiding the truth of their inmost selves behind the masks of pretension that they are wearing, masks that separate them from the very people they are called to lead."> Why does Shri Mataji Herself accept and allow these things to > happen? Surely She does not agree with the way that Sahaja Yoga is > being promoted?>Shri Mataji has from the very onset has always proclaimed the Divine Message in hundreds of public programs and lectures. She has left no stone unturned to ensure its success. But there are powers in Sahaja Yoga who want to suppress the Truth. Some have told Her that Jagbir and his websites are dangerous for the public and should be cause for concern. (i believe ex-world leader Yogi Mahajan was also not agreeable to what my children and i am telling. There are others who are afraid of the Truth.)Semira, if Shri Mataji was agreeable the way Sahaja Yoga is being officially promoted these people would have succeeded years ago in closing www.adishakti.org and www.al-qiyamah.org down. A few attempts were made but to no avail. Shri Mataji just told them there is nothing wrong with what i am doing, and that goes a long way to vouch Her integrity. i mean She even went against leaders close to Her. So that shows Shri Mataji did not agree to the unfounded fears of certain leaders that 'people will think it is crazy if they are told the Truth straight up front'. i still am waiting for the day when some SY will tell me why Shri Mataji tells the Truth upfront at public programs. Maybe they should also tell Her that 'people will think it is crazy if they are told the Truth straight up front'. Now let me finish off with me quoting Margaret B. Gunness again:"These words of Jesus' teaching are words which are calling us into the very depths of our own integrity, calling us into a radical honesty about ourselves and about who we are both as individuals and as a people in relationship with God. We are students; we are children; we are servants. And God is our teacher, our parent and our Messiah. And if we could only grasp this and realize the gift that it is, we would indeed be relieved of that terrible, heavy burden of trying to be who we are not."Maybe if SYs just told the simple, plain truth they would indeed be relieved of that terrible, heavy burden of trying to hide from humanity what should never ever be hidden because it is meant exclusively for them. The Divine Message is entirely for all humans and no SY has the right to judge they are not ready. NO SY HAS THE RIGHT TO DENY HUMANITY THE RIGHT TO BE TOLD OF GOD ALMIGHTY'S DIVINE MESSAGE. The very nature of this deceitful belief not to, based on groundless fears, makes it a monstrous and utterly unforgivable act!Jai Shri Mataji,jagbir

[Guest guest]

Danny

 

I AM meditating and I have every right to make comments on this board, just the same as you do!

 

-

kriptodanny

shriadishakti

Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:57 PM

[shriadishakti] Re: Why are SYs expending so much energy and effort to suppress...

shriadishakti , "Jane Pickup"<jane.pickup1@b...> wrote:> Dear Jagbir> > Quoting from you below:> > "They are pretenders, people who are divided within themselves,people without > wholeness, without integrity. And what they are doing then is > hiding, hiding the truth of their inmost selves behind the masks of > pretension that they are wearing, masks that separate them from the > very people they are called to lead."> > Know Thyself and Pass It On> > Some people maybe don't like what they see when they start to reallylook at themselves and the world around them, so they stay within thebubble of unreality - hiding behind their masks! > Dear JaneI think you're a bit too harsh on the SYs...Jagbir talks about theleaders in SY who got us here...don't you think if we had good qualityleaders the story could've been changed?..Jagbir has his right toattack the collective ..what right do YOU have,Jane Pickup?..you haveonly one right..to meditate,and yet you refuse to do it. danny

[Guest guest]

shriadishakti , " Jane Pickup "

<jane.pickup1@b...> wrote:

> Danny

>

> I AM meditating and I have every right to make comments on this

> board, just the same as you do!

>

 

Dear Jane,

 

You are right and i agree with you. Danny keeps forgetting you spent

some time in Sahaja Yoga before you left. Even if you never had

meditated on Shri Mataji you still have every right to say your

mind. You can say anything or ask any question as long as you are

earnest and sincere in your desire to know the Truth. Danny needs to

check himself.

 

jagbir

[Guest guest]

shriadishakti , " kriptodanny "

<kriptodanny> wrote:

>

> shriadishakti , " jagbir singh "

> <adishakti_org> wrote:

> >

> > shriadishakti , " Jane Pickup "

> > <jane.pickup1@b...> wrote:

> > > I AM meditating ...

>

> Jagbir wrote:

> > Dear Jane,

> >

> > You are right and i agree with you. Danny keeps forgetting you

> spent

> > some time in Sahaja Yoga before you left. Even if you never had

> > meditated on Shri Mataji you still have every right to say your

> > mind. You can say anything or ask any question as long as you

are

> > earnest and sincere in your desire to know the Truth. Danny needs

> to

> > check himself.

> >

> > jagbir

> ............................

> Dear Jagbir

> I guess I differ with you on this one..May I remind you what Jane

(who

> doesn't meditate yet)said about the leaders in SY....

>

> ,,> Know Thyself and Pass It On

> >

> > Some people maybe don't like what they see when they start to

> > really look at themselves and the world around them, so they

> > stay within the bubble of unreality - hiding behind their

> > masks!

> ......................................

> ..now...she(who still doesn't meditate) attacks the leaders you

> attacked.She doesn't have the understanding,or the power.Now..we

have to discriminate here.Please tell her to meditate a bit.I don't

> recognize her vibrations on the subject.End of story.I don't want

> every idiot to come here and dump it's hate against sahaja

> yogis.You,Jagbir,can do it,because you have the power.However,if

any idiot thinks he can say whatever you say,then please....they

have grow first. Jane can say whatever she wants...but she is far

below you in understanding...and yes,I know she does NOT

meditate.She joined sahaja (again) in her mind,but not in her

heart,yet.Sometimes,the heart is more important then the mind

(brain)..I didn't ask much,did I?

> danny

 

Dear Danny,

 

Just want to let you know i am not attacking leaders but bring out

the collective faults of Sahaja Yoga so that we SYs can bring

critical changes in the way we project Shri Mataji. We just cannot

continue the way we have been trying for years with hardly any

progress. SYs just have to be truthful and the Divine will take care

of the rest. i am very sure of this. We SYs have NEVER proclaimed

the Divine Message on our official websites. Having done everything

else for the last three decades to spread Sahaja Yoga and on the

point of exhaustion, the only solution left is just telling the

plain truth. Why do so-called self-realized souls find telling the

truth so difficult?

 

Give Jane some time. All she needs is Love. Jane is still vunerable

and needs healing. Help her settle down in Sahaja Yoga again. Since

this is her second time it may be her last if she cannot find a

conducive atmosphere here to progress. Let her say what she wants

even if not agreeable. We have all agreed to disagree. It would be

much better if you can make her see your point of view. All members

will learn in the process, perhaps even adding their 2 cents. That

is the whole point of this open forum.

 

jagbir