Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 I am aware that christ diesw for our sins and for our forgivness based on the snippets i have read fromshri mataji on this site, but i do not understand those statements. I wanted to know what does Shri mataji mean by " he dies for our sins " as well as the forgiveness part? Shri jesus is the universal savior, anotehr statement i do not understand and would like some clarification, but if i sins were not forgiven until his death and ressurection, then what did that mean for the people who lived before him in terms of the life death, rebirth/sin cycle? As you can tell i have no idea what to make of these statements of fact and don't understand the scope of that suffering shri jesus went through for us, or what it actually means in reality and in a practical manner. If you could jagbir, help shed some light on these things, i would be greatful. Thanks. Kyyan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 shriadishakti , " v_koa " <v_koa> wrote: > > I am aware that christ dies for our sins and for our forgiveness > based on the snippets i have read from shri mataji on this site, > but i do not understand those statements. I wanted to know what > does Shri mataji mean by " he dies for our sins " as well as the > forgiveness part? Shri jesus is the universal savior, another > statement i do not understand and would like some clarification, > but if i sins were not forgiven until his death and resurrection, > then what did that mean for the people who lived before him in > terms of the life death, rebirth/sin cycle? As you can tell i have > no idea what to make of these statements of fact and don't > understand the scope of that suffering shri jesus went through for > us, or what it actually means in reality and in a practical > manner. If you could jagbir, help shed some light on these things, > i would be grateful. Thanks. > > Dear Kyyan, Whatever you have asked about Shri Jesus dying for our sins has also puzzled me: ------------------------- " There is a verse in the Bible, that says that when Jesus was put on the cross, he said " My God my God why has thou forsaken me? " Jesus asks God why are You leaving me my God? Please my God help me, I am in trouble. Well!! every time I ask some of my friends that " OVER HERE JESUS IS NOT EVEN WILLING TO DIE FOR OUR SINS " If he was willing to die for our sins, he should have said that " Myself, I am ready to die for the sins of the whole mankind. " He would have used " myself " coz he is a God according to Christianity. When we ask them about such things, they reply to us that " You just have to believe it " , close your mind, and accept Him. " ------------------------- Did He Die on the Cross for our Sins? Is Everyone a Sinner? We see in the Gospel, the word *righteous* means pure and sinless. As the two words *righteous* and 'sinner' are always opposite each other in the New Testament. Furthermore, Jesus is described as righteous, therefore we know that the word means: without sin. For example; " My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: " {1 John 2:1} Now that we see righteous means sinless, let's see what Jesus says about humans: " I say unto you, that even so there shall be joy in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine righteous persons, who need no repentance. " {Luke 15:7} It is very Clear from this verse that Jesus did not come to die for the sins of All humans because according to Jesus, some humans *did not need to repent* because they were ~righteous~ " But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice : for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. " {Matthew 9:13} Again Jesus is saying he did not come for everyone, Jesus only came for a particular group. Jesus clarifies that there are two groups, " the sinners and the righteous " not only one group of sinners as modern Christians claim. " And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless. " {Luke 1:6} Here, even God sees that some were without sin, because they followed the commandments. " When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. " {Mark 2:17 } Again Jesus is making the distinction that some are sick (sinners) and some are not sick (the righteous) Jesus does not say " I came for All because all are sinners " Jesus says he came for *MANY* {Mark 10:45 } not all. Many could mean 10 people, big difference from saying " ALL " . " I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. " {Luke 5:32} Important words, verifying that Jesus did not come to all those who were righteous, but the many who were sinners. " but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea. " {Matthew 18:6} Jesus is saying that the little ones are without sin because anyone who causes them to sin, the result would be deadly. " Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. " {1 John 3:7 } Here Jesus is saying that there are righteous, sinless people and do not let anyone tell you that everyone is a sinner because there are righteous people. We also read (John 9:31 ) " We know that God does not listen to sinners, but if any one is a worshiper of God and does his will, God listens to him. " This automatically clarifies that Abraham, Moses, Hagar, and all those God directly communicated with, are _not_ sinners because God does not listen to sinners. Then 'Paul' _again_ contradicts the teachings of Jesus saying [Romans 3:10 ] " As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: " If God and Jesus *Declare* that some humans are Righteous, why do Christians believe 'Paul' more then Jesus and God? In conclusion, Jesus did not die for our sins, Jesus was saved from the cross, not all are with sins and sins are easily forgiven. As Jesus says: " Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; {Luke 6:37 } Each individual is responsible for their own sins " If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained. " {John 20:23} http://www.mlife.org/Jesus/die_on_cross_fo_sins.html So Kyyan, i still have no proper understanding of Shri Jesus dying for our sins. There are a number of Christians beliefs i don't understand and this is surely one of them. The more you question the more confusing they get. Shri Jesus never said that He will die for the sins of humanity just as He never claimed to be God Almighty. i believe Christianity to be most difficult to understand. Even Shri Mataji has said the Bible is enigmatic because so many people have added their stories to it. Some of these stories are truly disturbing and make no sense, even cause us to lose faith. There is one particular story in the Bible where two daughters take turns fornicating with their drunk father after they escaped the destruction of Sodom. Apparently his daughters taught that they were the only three humans left on Earth. After their escape from Sodom, Lot and his two daughters took refuge in a cave. It was there that another controversial chapter in Lot's life occurred, although the record states that he was an unknowing participant: " Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. One day the older daughter said to the younger, " Our father is old, and there is no man around here to lie with us, as is the custom all over the earth. Let's get our father to drink wine and then lie with him and preserve our family line through our father. " That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and lay with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up. The next day the older daughter said to the younger, " Last night I lay with my father. Let's get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and lie with him so we can preserve our family line through our father. " So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went and lay with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up. So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father. The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab; he is the father of the Moabites of today. The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi; he is the father of the Ammonites of today. " (Genesis 19:30-38) And when the bible says that 'god' did not mind this incest for the sake of saving the human race from extinction, you know something is very wrong. But has anyone really questioned if it is physically possible for two daughters to take turns making love to their drunk father and become pregnant ................ without the father even realizing all this fornication!?? Is this the infallible word of God? But i have utmost respect for the Savior despite all the strange tales in the Bible that confuse more than enlighten. It is Shri Mataji who has truly made me understand the nature of this great incarnation. No matter what religious background one comes from it is only after listening to Her that we begin to grasp Shri Jesus' relationship with humanity. Even if one had not believed in Christ prior to joining Sahaja Yoga and meditating on the Shakti, one will embrace Him after listening to Shri Mataji's speeches over the years. From the very onset of Her advent in 1970 Shri Mataji has always insisted that we humans must believe in Shri Jesus who truly resides at the Agnya Chakra, the Gate to the Kingdom of God (Sahasrara Chakra). Without accepting Him there is absolutely no salvation for any human being. All SYs have accepted Him because Shri Jesus is indeed Alpha, (the Beginning as Shri Ganesha) and Omega (the End as Shri Kalki). Shri Mataji is indeed the Comforter because only now SYs know all that Jesus was unable to preach two millennia ago. That is why we are able to understand the Last Judgment in detail and have faith that it promises all believers, irrespective of their inherited religions, the right to eternal life. Shri Jesus is indeed the Savior because He too is entrenched, just like the Adi Shakti, in the great religions of Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. All who believe in God Almighty and wish to take part in the Last Judgment and Resurrection are left with no option but to embrace all religions, scriptures and messengers. You can only understand the Savior, His proclamation of the Kingdom of God within, and the Good News of the Last Judgment through the Comforter, Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, sent in the name of the Father (God Almighty/Brahman) as He had promised two millennia ago: And Jesus spoke again unto the eleven and said, " Grieve not because I go away, for it is best that I should go away. If I do not go away the Comforter will not come to you. These things I speak while with you in the flesh, but when the Holy Breath shall come in power, lo, She will teach you more and more, and bring to you remembrance all the words I have said to you. There are a multitude of things yet to be said; Things that this age cannot receive because it cannot comprehend. But, lo, I say, before the great day of the Lord shall come, the Holy Breath will make all mysteries known — The mysteries of the soul, of life, of death, of immortality, the oneness of man with every other man, and with his God. Then will the world be led to truth, and man will be truth. When She has come, the Comforter, She will convince the world of sin, and of truth of what I speak, And of the rightness of the Judgment of the just; And then the prince of carnal life will be cast out. And when the Comforter shall come, I need not intercede for you; For you shall stand approved, And God will know you then as he knows Me. The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ 162:4-11 This is the Divine Message that will reach all nations and peoples of many tongues, so that the Comforter may convince the world of sin, and of truth of what Jesus spoke. " But there will be many who will resist the truth of the new era. They may try at first by playing upon the sense of self-doubt that lies within each of us. Self-doubt exists only because we have allowed others to define our reality for so long that we no longer know what is real anymore. When we look inside and catch the first sight of what is real and it does not concur with what those around us have said and are saying at the moment, we discard it. We doubt ourselves because we have allowed others to tell us what truth is. But as we reach deeper into the New Age, we will reach deeper inside ourselves for the truth. And as we learn the truth, we will no longer need or want others to interpret it for us. This will cause friction with those who defend the institutions they feel comfortable with, the institutions they cling to like a security blanket in a world they really aren't comfortable with at all. Those who cannot, or do not dare, to look inside themselves for the truth will be the ones who will resist the rest of us the most. They will be the ones who challenge the rest of us the most. They will be the ones who try to make the rest of us think that we are wrong because they want desperately to believe that they are right, and they know that once their faith is shaken, they have nothing left to cling to. But be wary of anyone who demands that you have blind faith in what they are saying. If they will not allow scrutiny, it is possibly because their beliefs cannot stand up to scrutiny. And when those who hide within the institutions because they do not dare to look inside themselves feel that they are losing their grip on the rest of us, they will fight. " (Walter Mercado, Beyond The Horizon) So Kyyan, you have to leave your religious baggage behind because it will slow you down to a standstill with doubts and unsolvable questions. Of all religions Christianity is the most confusing by a wide margin. You can never understand Shri Jesus by going to a church. You can only understand Him by meditating on the Holy Spirit (Adi Shakti/Ruh) in the Kingdom of God within and taking part in the Great Event ordained for humanity. jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2005 Report Share Posted January 29, 2005 shriadishakti , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org> wrote: > > Some of these stories are truly disturbing and make no sense, even > cause us to lose faith. There is one particular story in the Bible > where two daughters take turns fornicating with their drunk father > after they escaped the destruction of Sodom. Apparently his > daughters taught that they were the only three humans left on > Earth. > LOT AND HIS DAUGHTERS Following Yahweh's destruction of Sodom and other cities of the Jordan plain (see SODOM[Y] AND GOMORRAH), Abraham's nephew Lot and Lot's two daughters--formerly residents of Sodom--find themselves living in a cave. The older daughter expresses to the younger her fear that, for lack of a mate, they are now to be childless. " Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth. " Her words suggest that this story originally involved a world cataclysm, with Lot and his daughters, like Noah and his family in the flood story, being the only surviving humans. But the suggestion is academic, as her words make sense either way. These daughters have had a bad time. First they lose their married sisters in Sodom's supernatural fall, then their mother is lost--turned into a pillar of salt--in the flight from the scene of destruction. They then flee with their father from the city of Zoar--where according to Yahweh they were supposed to be safe--apparently because the destruction has spread, engulfing virtually the whole Jordan plain. Now languishing in their mountain cave, Lot's daughters might easily be excused for assuming that, save the old man, the rest of humanity has been wiped out by the wrath of God. In any case Lot's daughters take action. " Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, " says the older one, " that we may preserve seed of our father. " So they get Lot drunk on successive nights, with the firstborn lying with him on the first night, and the younger one on the second night, with Lot remembering nothing about either occasion. Impregnated, the two daughters bear Moab, the father of the Moabites, and Benammi, the father of the Ammonites. Thus Genesis, in the story of Lot and his daughters, pulls a rather sly little trick. It matter-of-factly presents two troublesome neighbors of Israel--Moab and Ammon, lying east of the Jordan River-- as children of incest, without passing any judgment on the three incestuous Hebrew parents. http://www.hobrad.com/andl.htm#LOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 shriadishakti , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org> wrote: > > So Kyyan, you have to leave your religious baggage behind because > it will slow you down to a standstill with doubts and unsolvable > questions. Of all religions Christianity is the most confusing by > a wide margin. You can never understand Shri Jesus by going to a > church. You can only understand Him by meditating on the Holy > Spirit (Adi Shakti/Ruh) in the Kingdom of God within and taking > part in the Great Event ordained for humanity. > > CHRISTIANITY Table of Contents I. INTRODUCTION II. THE CHURCH AND ITS HISTORY 1. The essence and identity of Christianity 1) HISTORICAL VIEWS OF THE ESSENCE i) Early views. ii) Medieval and Reformation views. iii) Modern views. 2) THE QUESTION OF CHRISTIAN IDENTITY 2. The history of Christianity 1) THE PRIMITIVE CHURCH i) The relation of the early church to late Judaism. ii) The relation of the early church to the career and intentions of Jesus. iii) The Gentile mission and St. Paul. iv) The contemporary social, religious, and intellectual world. 2) THE INTERNAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE EARLY CHRISTIAN CHURCH i) The problem of jurisdictional authority. ii) The problem of scriptural authority. iii) The problem of theological authority. iv) Early heretical movements. 3) RELATIONS BETWEEN CHRISTIANITY AND THE ROMAN GOVERNMENT AND THE HELLENISTIC CULTURE i) Church-state relations. ii) Christianity and classical culture. iii) Apologetics. 4) THE EARLY LITURGY, THE CALENDAR, AND THE ARTS 5) THE ALLIANCE BETWEEN CHURCH AND EMPIRE 6) THEOLOGICAL CONTROVERSIES OF THE 4TH AND 5TH CENTURIES i) Western controversies. ii) Eastern controversies. 7) POPULAR CHRISTIANITY IN THE LATE EMPIRE 8) LITURGY AND THE ARTS AFTER CONSTANTINE i) New forms of worship. ii) Historical and polemical writing. 9) POLITICAL RELATIONS BETWEEN EAST AND WEST 10) LITERATURE AND ART OF THE " DARK AGES " 11) MISSIONS AND MONASTICISM 12) THE PHOTIAN SCHISM AND THE GREAT EAST-WEST SCHISM i) The Photian schism. ii) The great East-West schism. 13) FROM THE SCHISM TO THE REFORMATION i) Papacy and empire. ii) Medieval thought. iii) Reformation. 14) MODERN CHRISTIANITY 15) THE MODERN DENOMINATIONS i) Roman Catholicism. (1) Doctrine. (2) Liturgy. ii) The Eastern churches. iii) Protestantism. (1) Lutheranism. (2) Anglicanism. (3) Presbyterian and Reformed Churches. (4) Free churches. (5) Other churches and movements. 3. Christian doctrine 1) THE MEANING OF DOGMA i) Importance to Christian doctrine and later implications. ii) Orientation of the Western churches. iii) Orientation of the Eastern churches. 2) GOD THE FATHER i) Characteristic features of the Christian concept of God. ii) The specific concept of God as Father. iii) The belief in the oneness of the Father and the Son. iv) The revelatory character of God. v) God as Creator, Sustainer, and Judge. vi) Modern views of God. vii) The view that God is not solitary. viii) Satan and the origin of evil. 3) GOD THE SON i) Different interpretations of the person of Jesus. ii) The Christological controversies. iii) Messianic views. iv) The doctrine of the Virgin Mary and holy Wisdom. 4) GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT i) Contradictory aspects of the Holy Spirit. ii) Conflict between order and charismatic freedom. iii) The operations of the Holy Spirit. 5) THE HOLY TRINITY i) The basis for the doctrine of the Trinity. ii) Introduction of Neoplatonic themes. iii) Attempts to define the Trinity. 6) THE DOCTRINE OF MAN i) What it is to be human. ii) The human as a creature. iii) The human as the image of God. iv) Human redemption. v) The problem of suffering. vi) The resurrection of the body. vii) Progressive human perfection. viii) The justified human. ix) The " new man " : The human being in the light of Christ. x) The " reborn human. " xi) Human liberation. xii) Joy in human existence. xiii) The charismatic believer. xiv) Christian perfection. xv) Fellow humans as the present Christ. 7) THE CHURCH i) Normative defenses in the early church. ii) Evolution of the episcopal office. iii) Authority and dissent. iv) Creeds and confessions. v) Organization. vi) Episcopacy in Anglican and other Reformation churches. vii) Liturgy. viii) New liturgical forms and antiliturgical attitudes. ix) The sacraments. x) Tradition. xi) Scriptural traditions. xii) Veneration of places, objects, and people. xiii) Monasticism. xiv) The saintly life. xv) Art and iconography. xvi) Theology of icons. xvii) Missions. 8) LAST THINGS i) Expectations of the Kingdom of God in early Christianity. ii) Expectations of the Kingdom of God in the medieval and Reformation periods. iii) Expectations of the Kingdom of God in the post-Reformation period. iv) The role of imminent expectation in missions and emigrations. v) Eschatological expectations and secularization. vi) Concepts of life after death. 4. Church year 1) ORIGINS OF THE CHURCH YEAR i) Religious times and seasons. ii) Jewish background. iii) Formation of the church year. 2) THE MAJOR CHURCH CALENDARS i) Eastern churches. ii) Roman Catholic Church. iii) Protestant churches. 3) HISTORY OF THE CHURCH YEAR i) Sunday. ii) Advent. iii) Christmas. iv) Epiphany. v) Pre-Lent. vi) Lent. vii) Easter. viii) Ascension. ix) Pentecost. x) Pentecost or Trinity Season. xi) Saints' days and other holy days. 4) LITURGICAL COLOURS 5. Canon law 1) NATURE AND SIGNIFICANCE i) Historical and cultural importance of canon law. ii) Problems in the study of canon law and its sources. 2) HISTORY i) The formative period in the East. (1) Eastern churches. (2) Independent churches of Eastern Christianity. ii) Development of canon law in the West. iii) The Corpus Juris Canonici (c. 1140-c. 1500). iv) From the Council of Trent (1545-63) to the Codex Juris Canonici (1917). (1) The end of decretal law. (2) Law for the missions. v) The Codex Juris Canonici (1917). vi) The Eastern churches in union with Rome. 3) THE SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL AND POST-CONCILIAR CANON LAW i) Vatican II. ii) Post-conciliar legislation. iii) Revision of the Code of Canon Law. iv) The new Code of Canon Law. v) The Eastern churches. 4) ANGLICAN CANON LAW III. ASPECTS OF THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION 1. Patristic literature 1) THE ANTE-NICENE PERIOD i) The Apostolic Fathers. ii) The Gnostic writers. iii) The Apologists. iv) Late 2nd to early 4th century. 2) THE POST-NICENE PERIOD i) The Nicene Fathers. ii) The Cappadocian Fathers. iii) Monastic literature. iv) The school of Antioch. v) The schools of Edessa and Nisibis. vi) The Chalcedonian Fathers. vii) Non-Chalcedonian Fathers. viii) The post-Nicene Latin Fathers. ix) Later Greek Fathers. 3) THE CHARACTER OF THE HERITAGE 2. Christian philosophy 1) HISTORY OF THE INTERACTIONS OF PHILOSOPHY AND THEOLOGY i) Influence of Greek philosophy. ii) Emergence of official doctrine. iii) Aristotle, Aquinas, and Descartes. iv) Other influences. 2) FAITH AND REASON 3) CHRISTIAN PHILOSOPHY AS NATURAL THEOLOGY i) Arguments for the existence of God. (1) The design (or teleological) argument. (2) The cosmological argument. (3) The ontological argument. (4) Moral arguments. (5) Arguments from religious experience and miracles. ii) The immortality of the soul. 4) CONTEMPORARY DISCUSSIONS i) Influence of logical positivism. ii) Evidentialist approach. 3. Christian mysticism 1) HISTORY OF CHRISTIAN MYSTICISM i) Early church. ii) Eastern Christianity. iii) Western Catholic Christianity. iv) Protestant Christianity. 2) STAGES OF CHRISTIAN MYSTICISM i) The dying to self. ii) The union with God. iii) The readjustment. 3) FORMS OF CHRISTIAN MYSTICISM i) Christ-mysticism. ii) Trinitarian mysticism. iii) Negative mysticism: God and the Godhead. 4) SIGNIFICANCE OF CHRISTIAN MYSTICISM 4. Christian myth and legend 1) CHARACTERISTICS OF CHRISTIAN MYTH AND LEGEND 2) HISTORY OF CHRISTIAN MYTH AND LEGEND i) The early church. (1) The ages of the world. (2) Messianic secrets and the mysteries of salvation. (3) The Magi and the Child of Wondrous Light. (4) Relics and saints. ii) The Middle Ages. iii) Renaissance magic and science. iv) Christian practice in the modern world. IV. THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY AND THE WORLD 1. The relationships of Christianity 1) Historical views. 2) Church, sect, and mystical movement. 3) CHURCH AND STATE i) The history of church and state. (1) The church and the Roman Empire. (2) The church and the Byzantine, or Eastern, Empire. (3) The church and Western states. (4) Separation of church and state. ii) Church and state in Eastern and Western theology. (1) The views of Eusebius of Caesarea. (2) The views of Augustine. (3) Later developments. 4) CHURCH AND SOCIETY i) The problem of slavery and persecution. ii) Theological and humanitarian motivations. 5) CHURCH AND EDUCATION i) Intellectualism versus anti-intellectualism. ii) Forms of Christian education. 6) CHURCH AND THE ARTS 7) CHURCH AND SOCIAL WELFARE i) Curing and caring for the sick. (1) Healing the sick. (2) Care for the sick. ii) Care for widows and orphans. iii) Property, poverty, and the poor. iv) Pastoral care. 8) CHURCH AND MINORITIES 9) CHURCH AND FAMILY i) The tendency to spiritualize and individualize marriage. ii) The tendency toward asceticism. 10) CHURCH AND THE INDIVIDUAL i) Love as the basis for Christian ethics. ii) Freedom and responsibility. 2. Christian missions 1) BIBLICAL FOUNDATIONS 2) THE HISTORY OF CHRISTIAN MISSIONS i) First transition, to AD 500. ii) Second transition, to AD 1500. (1) Western mission. (2) Papal mission. (3) Eastern and Nestorian missions. (4) The rise of Islam. iii) Third transition, to AD 1950. (1) Roman Catholic mission, 1500-1950. (2) Protestant missions, 1500-1950. (3) Orthodox missions. iv) Fourth transition, from 1950. v) Scripture translations. 3. Ecumenism 1) THE BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE 2) THE HISTORY OF ECUMENISM i) Early controversies. ii) The schism of 1054. iii) The Reformation. iv) Ecumenism in the 17th and 18th centuries. v) 19th-century efforts. vi) Ecumenism in the 20th century. 4. The Christian church and non-Christian religions 1) CONFLICTING CHRISTIAN ATTITUDES 2) MODERN VIEWS 5. Bibliography 1) General works: 2) History of the Christian Church: 3) Major traditional doctrinal issues: (The meaning of dogma): 4) Church year: 5) Canon law: 6) Patristic literature: 7) Christian philosophy: 8) Mysticism: 9) Christian myth and legend: 10) Roles of Christianity: 11) Missions: 12) Ecumenism: 13) The Christian Church and non-Christian religions: http://cyberspacei.com/jesusi/inlight/religion/christianity/christian ity/toc.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 shriadishakti , " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org> wrote: > > From the very onset of Her advent in 1970 Shri Mataji has always > insisted that we humans must believe in Shri Jesus who truly > resides at the Agnya Chakra, the Gate to the Kingdom of God > (Sahasrara Chakra). Without accepting Him there is absolutely no > salvation for any human being. All SYs have accepted Him because > Shri Jesus is indeed Alpha, (the Beginning as Shri Ganesha) and > Omega (the End as Shri Kalki). Shri Mataji is indeed the Comforter > because only now SYs know all that Jesus was unable to preach two > millennia ago. That is why we are able to understand the Last > Judgment in detail and have faith that it promises all believers, > irrespective of their inherited religions, the right to eternal > life. > know_yourself_sy " Sahaja Yoga " <yogasahaja Tue, 01 Feb 2005 14:55:46 -0000 HWP for Tuesday, February 1, 2005 " This is the thing you have to rise above. Christians have to rise above this Christianity and has to understand that its such a great thing that was Christ who came on this earth who was the incarnation of the principle of Ganesha. Ganesha becoming Mahavishnu is a very big thing which one should try to understand. Ganesha is the Son of Shiva. Shri Ganesha is the one who was first created before creating anything, any atmosphere, anything. Because He is the Omkara and the Omkara is the first breaking of Adi Shakti from Shiva, that sound of Omkara. From there started Omkara and He is the one who is the embodiment of that Omkara. So the sound is Shri Ganesha. His power was created first, foremost thing just to create holiness. " Ganapatipule, India. December 25, 1990 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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