SATISH SHUKLAJagbir's children are not the only one in the world to have visited Shri Mataji

[Guest guest]

--- Satish Shukla <saap7 wrote:

 

> > This mail is intended to put to rest that the

> experiences Kash and Arvinder have had are not mere

> figments of imagination. I am sure there would be

> others as well who would have had similar

> experiences

> but would like to keep these to themselves. Like

> this

> friend of mine he does not even want to be

> identified

> leave alone the public declaration of his

> experiences.

 

 

 

Again, we are talking about an imaginary aquintance a

far as reality i concerned.If you cannot prove it, it

is better to let it be.

 

Also, please be careful when you insult office bearers

of Sy. It is unfair to say there is a lot to be

desired of their behaviour. I have interacted with

many, and given the amoutn of responsibilty they have,

i think they do a wonderful job.

 

Try to imagine the amount of work required to

co-ordiante so may pujas and collectivs...public

program, welfare programs etc....Add to that the

million questions that new seekers ask. Given this

scenario, i can see right for you to whine about their

behaviour

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The all-new My - Get yours free!

 

[Guest guest]

Alex,

 

IF there is to be any proof of these visits, how do u propose they

are proven legit? How to you provide proof of visits and happenings

that are of the spirit, not of a material nature in which yu can

snap a photograph etc. Im just curious as to what proof of such

things would satisfy your doubts?

 

Also, just because one person has great experiences with SY leaders,

does not mean others have shared that experience as well.Even you

yourself have said " It is unfair to say there is a lot to be

> desired of their behaviour. I have interacted with

> many, and given the amount of responsibilty they have,

> i think they do a wonderful job " . That statement there proves that

even you have not interacted with ALL SY leaders and officers, so

for you to say that your experience/statement is absolute and Satish

Shukla's is not, is clearly not fair. It is a two way street.

 

Kyyan

 

shriadishakti , alex arthur <dude11976>

wrote:

>

> --- Satish Shukla <saap7> wrote:

>

> > > This mail is intended to put to rest that the

> > experiences Kash and Arvinder have had are not mere

> > figments of imagination. I am sure there would be

> > others as well who would have had similar

> > experiences

> > but would like to keep these to themselves. Like

> > this

> > friend of mine he does not even want to be

> > identified

> > leave alone the public declaration of his

> > experiences.

>

>

>

> Again, we are talking about an imaginary aquintance a

> far as reality i concerned.If you cannot prove it, it

> is better to let it be.

>

> Also, please be careful when you insult office bearers

> of Sy. It is unfair to say there is a lot to be

> desired of their behaviour. I have interacted with

> many, and given the amoutn of responsibilty they have,

> i think they do a wonderful job.

>

> Try to imagine the amount of work required to

> co-ordiante so may pujas and collectivs...public

> program, welfare programs etc....Add to that the

> million questions that new seekers ask. Given this

> scenario, i can see right for you to whine about their

> behaviour

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> The all-new My - Get yours free!

>

[Guest guest]

shriadishakti , " v_koa " <v_koa> wrote:

>

> Alex,

>

> IF there is to be any proof of these visits, how do u propose they

> are proven legit? How to you provide proof of visits and

> happenings that are of the spirit, not of a material nature in

> which yu can snap a photograph etc. Im just curious as to what

> proof of such things would satisfy your doubts?

>

 

Other than checking vibrations the only other method to confirm

authenticity would be cross-examination. Children do not have the

knowledge of the spiritual Kingdom of God within. When they continue

explaining their daily experiences over a sustained period of many

years there is absolutely no way one can deny what they say.

 

Take for example the first meeting with Lord Jesus. i had doubts

when Kash told me the Saviour was a massive giant of a man. Despite

all my questioning and reminding that Christ was a thin and smaller-

sized, Kash refused to change. i became apprehensive but he stood

his ground even though doubted. This child just refused to

compromise despite apparent pressure. i realized later it was a

genuine experience because Shri Mataji was telling the same to

SYs: " He was a very healthy, hefty and tall person. He had to carry

the cross. "

 

When three children tell you their expereinces it is so easy to

check them out. You just ask A first, then B a few days later, C

afterwards, A again after a month, get B and C together and ask

questions, check again with A and so on. That is what i have been

doing over the years and the detailed description of what they

witness has always been consistent.

 

For example the Light above Shri Mataji. Kash stunned me when he

said its rays are cool. i was speechless when he added that no

shadows are formed from this Light. All three of them confirm the

same. How then can i doubt the authenticity of their experiences?

All of them have been consistent, no matter how many times over time

they are questioned.

 

 

> Also, just because one person has great experiences with SY

> leaders, does not mean others have shared that experience as well.

> Even you yourself have said " It is unfair to say there is a lot to

> be desired of their behaviour. I have interacted with many, and

> given the amount of responsibilty they have, i think they do a

> wonderful job " . That statement there proves that even you have not

> interacted with ALL SY leaders and officers, so for you to say

> that your experience/statement is absolute and Satish Shukla's is

> not, is clearly not fair. It is a two way street.

>

 

Alex just met the Indian leaders since he only joined Sahaja Yoga

last year. This accusation that those in authority are at times

arrogant and unbecoming of realized souls have been echoed over the

years by a number of people. i believe many SYs have been

disillusioned in one way or another, as i am, by their actions. We

have lost good professional people due to the actions of some SYs.

 

Sure there are great leaders in some countries but the overall

picture is not that good. Shri Mataji has said that seekers will be

attracted by the quality of SYs. Surely leaders are included and

play a vital role in getting others into Sahaja Yoga. The quality of

leadership should be gauged by the number of seekers attracted to

Sahaja Yoga through them, not the amount of pujas they organize or

attend.

 

And once Shri Mataji leaves we will need good leaders to advance Her

cause. Somehow i feel great individual souls will join forces and

collectively do far more to attract seekers in future. The

groundwork for these souls to flourish in complete freedom without

any fear must be laid today so that tomorrow they can enlighten and

attract others.

 

jagbir