Its an absolute folly to force yourself to see Shri Mataji in Sahasrar

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Alex,

 

If you have time to consider this, please do.

 

One cannot force himself/herself to see Shri Mataji in Sahasrar. Nor

one should request to do so either. The reasons are manyfold

 

a) Its a very precious gift given by Shri Mataji to only those who

are capable of it.

b) If one is capable of it, then he is totally surrendered in which

case he need not request for this gift.

 

From your post it appears that you were led into forcing yourself to

see Shri Mataji in sahasrar by visiting adishakti.org (it might be

the case with several people who have visited adishakti.org) and

since you could not, you believed that whatever is posted on the site

are lies. Perhaps Alex, you should consider that your state might not

be that spritually high to have this gift? Now dont get me wrong.

99.999999..% of Sahaja Yogis arent too. AGAIN,I REQUEST YOU TO PLEASE

CHECK VIBRATIONS IF YOU ARE CERTAIN THAT YOU ARE RIGHT.

 

My dear brother, if it is possible to please put your questions aside

for the time being and try this simple test in thoughtlessness? Is

this too much to ask?

 

 

Everybody else (and especially Jagbirji :-) :

 

I REAAAALLLY REQUEST ALL NOT TO REPLY THIS UNTIL ALEX CHECKS THE

VIBRATIONS AND POSTS HIS RESPONSE BECAUSE OTHERWISE THERE IS TOO MUCH

OF NOISE AND EVERYTHING GETS CONFUSED AND MUDDLED. I THINK IT WILL BE

HUGE COLLECTIVE LEARNING FOR ALL OF US.

 

cheers

anuj

 

 

shriadishakti , alex arthur <dude11976>

wrote:

> Dear Jagbir,

>

> Somehow, I have no regret in having sent that mail to

> you in private a long long time ago. Perhaps this

> should serve as a reminder to all that

>

>

> Mails you send in private to Jagbir, are likely to get

> posted on the forum someday.

>

> ////////A fine reflection of your morals////////

>

> As for the mail itself....Jagbir..use ur head for a

> change. When you 'see' someone' or something in your

> mind, it is the same thing as giving a bandhan.

> Whether we give it to a wife who ran away or an acute

> financial situation, it is the same thing!!!

>

> I was so amused at reading my own mail. It reflects

> the innocence of someone who just be been bestowed

> with the powers of Sahaja Yoga. Powers bestowed

> because he pure of heart and mind and is capable of

> handling those powers.

>

> If i were to look at that mail coming from a third

> party, i would say the man is so good at heart.

>

> I cannot say that to you for misleading genuine

> seekers. Encouraging them to stay on your forum, so

> that the memebership increases. Giving them lies of

> 'meeting' shri mataji in various places!!

>

>

> Perhaps i should admit now, i wasted at least 3

> months, after reading your nonsense. whenever i

> meditated i expected to meet shri mataji i the

> sahasrar!! It took a while before i realised your

> bluff...it was just an antic to get eyeballs on ur

> website!

>

> Perhaps you'd like to take a more ethical approach to

> answering the 12 questions i asked you earlier.

>

>

> --- jagbir singh <adishakti_org> wrote:

>

> >

> > shriadishakti , alex arthur

> > <dude11976>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Jagbir,

> > >

> > > Great post as far as shri Matajis words are

> > concerned.

> > > Its criminal that you add your own distorted view

> > > though. 'Entering'...........'INTO' the seventh

> > > chakra......like only your kids can do.

> > >

> > > Perhaps they should try 'Entering' into the

> > > mooladhara, or 'entering' the nabhi.........

> > >

> >

> >

> > The worst of human errors spring in most cases from

> > the fact that

> > men who stand on a low spiritual level, when they

> > encounter events

> > of a higher order, instead of trying to rise to the

> > higher level from

> > which these events can be rightly viewed, and making

> > an effort to

> > understand them, judge them by their own low

> > standards, and the less

> > they know of what they speak, the more arrogant and

> > fixed are their

> > judgments. However, it is when they suffer from

> > selective memory

> > that they expose themselves as hypocrites who abuse

> > in public what

> > they believe and aspire in private. And when they

> > fail in their

> > attempt to use benevolant spiritual powers for

> > attracting females,

> > they unleash their negativity against those on

> > higher spiritual

> > levels. It is so true that the less successfull they

> > are at

> > visualization to lure back females against their

> > wishes, the more

> > arrogant and fixed are their judgments. Then they

> > forget and abuse

> > what they once believed. SYs just do not use their

> > powers in such

> > ways, unless they are on a low spiritual level like

> > Alex.

> >

> > Tolstoy Singh

> > September 2004

> >

> >

> >

> > ----------------------------

> >

> > Dear Jagbir,

> >

> > With regards to your mail on visualization. I've had

> > this repetitive experience. Repetitive because i

> > kept

> > trying it and the result kept coming...consistently.

> > I

> > did have an interest in all things occult, so it was

> > also in sync with what i had learnt earlier.

> >

> > I had visualised a particular friend, an ex

> > girlfriend

> > you could say. We started dating and i moved to

> > delhi

> > to be with her. Just then tragedy struck when her

> > brother passed away and she just shut me out of her

> > life. She did not meet me on one single occasion in

> > Delhi and refused to even admit that we were ever

> > seeing each other. Then she joined an international

> > carrier as an air hostess and said adios for good.

> >

> > On two occasions i shut my eyes and visualised all

> > the

> > good times (Very few actualy) we shared. On both

> > occasions, she sent me a text message saying that

> > she

> > does not know why but my name keeps crossing her

> > mind!

> >

> > I am scared of doing this anymore, because i'm not

> > sure if the divine has a fixed plan for each of us.

> > if

> > that is the case, i would not like to invite trouble

> > by using my little brain to decide the future. After

> > all, she is an air hostess and by virtue of the

> > profession and peers is probably quite 'liberated'.

> > I

> > may keep flooding her with loving thoughts and she

> > may

> > come back into my life, get maried even. But what

> > happens when i stop sending those thoughts? What

> > happenes if she comes into my life and all hell

> > breaks

> > loose? What if i sudenly discover that she will

> > never

> > take to sahaj and therefore stay firmly wrapped in

> > the

> > folds of prakriti/maya?

> >

> > I also agree with you thoroughly that SM lives

> > internally rather than externally.

> >

> > More later

> > Alex

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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shriadishakti , " anujg_iitd " <anujg_iitd>

wrote:

>

> Everybody else (and especially Jagbirji :-) :

>

> I REAAAALLLY REQUEST ALL NOT TO REPLY THIS UNTIL ALEX CHECKS THE

> VIBRATIONS AND POSTS HIS RESPONSE BECAUSE OTHERWISE THERE IS TOO

> MUCH OF NOISE AND EVERYTHING GETS CONFUSED AND MUDDLED. I THINK IT

> WILL BE HUGE COLLECTIVE LEARNING FOR ALL OF US.

>

 

i am agreeable to this on condition that my children or anyone who

is blessed by Shri Mataji are not attacked anymore in public by the

ignorant. A decade of the Inquisytion is enough but that does not

mean i am going to sue for peace. SYs like Alex who do not believe

should just go and join a subtle system forum. The topics are

definitely less stressful there.

 

jagbir