Re; Mass hysteria, brainwashing, what is it??

[Guest guest]

Violet wrote;I will try to help you by " painting a picture "

figuratively

speaking, to try and help you to see what " Pentecostalism " is all

about.

We have Pentecostalism. People go to church. They have a nice time.

They want to " deepen " their faith and it often is very genuine. They

really want to get close to God.

In the Pentecostal church service, things may happen like a rousing

song, clapping, and great camaraderie; everyone becomes " one in the

Spirit and one in the Lord " . Then they might " dance in the Spirit "

or " speak in tongues. "

While people are in this excited state, a Minister may do

a " rousing " welcome such as " Halleluyah! Praise the Lord! How are

you my brother/sister? Are we well today/tonight?! The audience may

respond out loud and answer the ministers question out loud.

Everyone becomes like a happy family.

This whole routine generates a state of " happiness " and " excitement "

at the " togetherness " felt. The audience may become slightly tired

from all this excitement and quite relaxed and may lapse into

a " receptive " state. (You could compare it to doing physical

exercise and you use up your oxygen from the exertion and then you

feel very relaxed and slightly sleepy.

By the time the Minister is ready to give his sermon, everyone is in

such a " happy " state of mind that they will probably accept whatever

he says because in this state, what is said goes directly into the

brain without going through the " critical " process. Normally, what

the minister says would go through people's thinking faculties but

they are bypassed when people are in this happy receptive state of

mind. So, they can then accept whatever is said.

This is a method of " conditioning " like you see on the Tele-

Evangelist's Programs on T.V. whereby they operate in this style

to " soften " people up for their " message. " You can also compare it

to when you inadvertently watch " ads " on T.V. but were not meaning

to do so.''

 

Semira;Dear Violet,

Thank you for this great post which has been very helpful to me in

understanding this issue. At one stage in my life, after facing the

fact that attending the Methodist Church was making me ask more

questions than ever about God's existance, my friends took me to a

Pentecostal church. I was assured that I would have a wonderful

experience, and not have any more doubts.

It was enjoyable on the social level and I did attend several times.

However, people all around me were having wonderful spiritual

experiences of the Holy Spirit, while I felt nothing at all

happening to me; other than an increasing sense of inadequacy for

not having the same experiences. I wanted to believe really badly,

and I thought that it must be because of my lack of faith.

Again, here no one could answer the questions I needed answers to;

-What does it mean to be made in God's image?

-What is meant by the Holy Trinity?

-What is meant by baptism in the Spirit?

-Why did Jesus have to die for our sins?

-What is meant by the Resurrection, and Ascension?

-Why is there so much hate and discrimination between the religions,

when each preaches love for God?

The Churches cannot answer these questions.

Only when I read information on these issues posted in this forum

and adishakti.org did I find the answers to these questions.

 

Violet wrote;''All these " highs " keep people on an " up "

psychologically for the

week and they might also like to go to church on Wednesda, Friday

and Sunday to get a " boost " .

If they don't go to church, they may feel a " downer " coming on and

they also feel very " guilty " because they have been convinced into

believing by the minister that if they do not go, they will likely

stray from the " straight and narrow " .

These people often become " depressed " and " elated " in turns. The

subtle system works that way. They swing from their " left " channels

to their " right " channels of the Sympathetic Nervous System and that

is why it is so exhausting; these centres continually being drained.

They are also " convinced " by the minister into believing that as

long as they talk to people about their " problems " and " pray " with

them, that they are being good Christians and will definitely go to

Heaven.''

 

Semira;This is the control system of organised religion; it is based

on keeping its followers feeling guilty and inadequate.If you ask

questions, you are said to be lacking in faith. Now I have seen that

there truly is an answer for each question.

 

Violet wrote;The Bible predicted that we would receive the Baptism

of the Holy

Spirit at this time. The Incarnation of the " Comforter " has come in

the person of Sri Mataji Nirmala Devi. Previously, the Baptism of

the Holy Spirit was received by very few " initiates " such as the

disciples and the Gnostics and others but they were separate from

the main congregations of Christianity as were the " private "

teachings of Jesus Christ.

Meanwhile, over the centuries, the " priestly caste " has become very

powerful. The " priestly caste " is referred to in the Bible as

the " blind leading the blind " . The " priestly caste " in fact is so

busy with " politics " and " dogma " , that they " cannot enter in

themselves and prevent others " (Bible).These " priestly caste " are

called " blind " , because, true to fundamentalism, they close their

eyes to the Truth found in the essence of all religions. They often

even consider non-Pentecostal branches of Christianity not to have

the full " gospel truth " . They believe that they are the only ones to

have the " full gospel " because they believe that they are able to

give everyone the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

The real Baptism of the Holy Spirit is felt as a Cool Breeze, which

was felt on the Day of Pentecost when the disciples felt the wind

In addition to " bringing to remembrance " the old Truths, Sri Mataji

has also " enlightened " and " explained " a lot. This includes the

teachings of all the Incarnations and Prophets. She also fulfills

the prophecy of the Last Judgment and the Resurrection and gives us

a positive message that we can " evolve " or " ascend " to become our

Spirt and avoid thereby be " saved " from the calamities happening

around us today all over the world.

In Pentecostalism, though, they think that they have the

exclusive " outpouring of the Holy Spirit " and that no one is going

to be " saved " except the Fundamentalist Pentecostal Christians

 

Another thing is that Fundamentalist Christians in general all study

their Bibles very thoroughly. They will have a Bible Verse to back

up everything they say. Unfortunately, the ministers however, tell

them how to " interpret " the Scriptures, depending on their " dogmas " .

These " interpretations " are often very wrong. Were a person like

yourself, Kyyan, to study the Bible and not be " influenced " by

these " interpretations " and " dogmas " , you would have a much better

chance to find the real Truth. You would be surprised at what you

find in the Bible. There is a lot of depth there.

Kyyan, you say that your mother has never met God. The reason you

can say this, I believe, is that you sense that this " merry-go-

round " is all an " outward " thing, and it is.

The real Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a very " inner " experience and

makes you your own " guru " , " master " and " teacher " , rather than

someone subject to all the " conditionings " imposed by the churches.

Fundamentalist Christians do not believe in the unity of the Truth

of Jesus, Mohammed, Abraham, Moses, Confucius, Socrates, Plato, Guru

Nanak and others, so they are dividing the Truth. However, Truth is

One.

 

Semira;It was really disturbing me that each religion insisted that

they were right and that only their followers would be saved. All

the others were said to be on Paths of Destruction. I couldn't

understand how this could possibly be right. Now I have seen that

the real message in all scriptures is not about dividing the Truth,

but about uniting it. Obscured underneath all the man-imposed

restrictions and conditioning of each separate religion is the same

shining Truth of the Spirit.

Best regards, Semira

[Guest guest]

Dear Semira,

 

Thank you so much for your input. I went through all the same

questions as you related when I was growing up. One of my " pet "

beliefs when I was a teenager was that the 'real " church would have

people from all walks of life, all cultures, and all races; at that

time I did not also include " all religions " . I could not quite

fathom that far. However, now I can see that happening through SY.

 

" Church " always stifled me in one way and another and that is why I

left them. Now that I am SY through grace of SM, She tells us to be

our own guru, which is a unique thing to advise. She has often said

She did not want to make SY the same as other religions and doesn't

want the same thing to happen all over again, where some SY's tell

other SY's. She says we are all to examine our own selves; that that

is where it begins! This is real " spiritual " truth; not man-

made " politics " and " dogma " and I am so thankful to SM for

liberating our spirits.

 

JSM

 

Love from Violet

 

 

shriadishakti , " semirafields "

<semirafields> wrote:

>

> Violet wrote;I will try to help you by " painting a picture "

> figuratively

> speaking, to try and help you to see what " Pentecostalism " is all

> about.

> We have Pentecostalism. People go to church. They have a nice time.

> They want to " deepen " their faith and it often is very genuine.

They

> really want to get close to God.

> In the Pentecostal church service, things may happen like a rousing

> song, clapping, and great camaraderie; everyone becomes " one in the

> Spirit and one in the Lord " . Then they might " dance in the Spirit "

> or " speak in tongues. "

> While people are in this excited state, a Minister may do

> a " rousing " welcome such as " Halleluyah! Praise the Lord! How are

> you my brother/sister? Are we well today/tonight?! The audience may

> respond out loud and answer the ministers question out loud.

> Everyone becomes like a happy family.

> This whole routine generates a state of " happiness "

and " excitement "

> at the " togetherness " felt. The audience may become slightly tired

> from all this excitement and quite relaxed and may lapse into

> a " receptive " state. (You could compare it to doing physical

> exercise and you use up your oxygen from the exertion and then you

> feel very relaxed and slightly sleepy.

> By the time the Minister is ready to give his sermon, everyone is

in

> such a " happy " state of mind that they will probably accept

whatever

> he says because in this state, what is said goes directly into the

> brain without going through the " critical " process. Normally, what

> the minister says would go through people's thinking faculties but

> they are bypassed when people are in this happy receptive state of

> mind. So, they can then accept whatever is said.

> This is a method of " conditioning " like you see on the Tele-

> Evangelist's Programs on T.V. whereby they operate in this style

> to " soften " people up for their " message. " You can also compare it

> to when you inadvertently watch " ads " on T.V. but were not meaning

> to do so.''

>

> Semira;Dear Violet,

> Thank you for this great post which has been very helpful to me in

> understanding this issue. At one stage in my life, after facing

the

> fact that attending the Methodist Church was making me ask more

> questions than ever about God's existance, my friends took me to a

> Pentecostal church. I was assured that I would have a wonderful

> experience, and not have any more doubts.

> It was enjoyable on the social level and I did attend several

times.

> However, people all around me were having wonderful spiritual

> experiences of the Holy Spirit, while I felt nothing at all

> happening to me; other than an increasing sense of inadequacy for

> not having the same experiences. I wanted to believe really badly,

> and I thought that it must be because of my lack of faith.

> Again, here no one could answer the questions I needed answers to;

> -What does it mean to be made in God's image?

> -What is meant by the Holy Trinity?

> -What is meant by baptism in the Spirit?

> -Why did Jesus have to die for our sins?

> -What is meant by the Resurrection, and Ascension?

> -Why is there so much hate and discrimination between the

religions,

> when each preaches love for God?

> The Churches cannot answer these questions.

> Only when I read information on these issues posted in this forum

> and adishakti.org did I find the answers to these questions.

>

> Violet wrote;''All these " highs " keep people on an " up "

> psychologically for the

> week and they might also like to go to church on Wednesda, Friday

> and Sunday to get a " boost " .

> If they don't go to church, they may feel a " downer " coming on and

> they also feel very " guilty " because they have been convinced into

> believing by the minister that if they do not go, they will likely

> stray from the " straight and narrow " .

> These people often become " depressed " and " elated " in turns. The

> subtle system works that way. They swing from their " left " channels

> to their " right " channels of the Sympathetic Nervous System and

that

> is why it is so exhausting; these centres continually being

drained.

> They are also " convinced " by the minister into believing that as

> long as they talk to people about their " problems " and " pray " with

> them, that they are being good Christians and will definitely go to

> Heaven.''

>

> Semira;This is the control system of organised religion; it is

based

> on keeping its followers feeling guilty and inadequate.If you ask

> questions, you are said to be lacking in faith. Now I have seen

that

> there truly is an answer for each question.

>

> Violet wrote;The Bible predicted that we would receive the Baptism

> of the Holy

> Spirit at this time. The Incarnation of the " Comforter " has come in

> the person of Sri Mataji Nirmala Devi. Previously, the Baptism of

> the Holy Spirit was received by very few " initiates " such as the

> disciples and the Gnostics and others but they were separate from

> the main congregations of Christianity as were the " private "

> teachings of Jesus Christ.

> Meanwhile, over the centuries, the " priestly caste " has become very

> powerful. The " priestly caste " is referred to in the Bible as

> the " blind leading the blind " . The " priestly caste " in fact is so

> busy with " politics " and " dogma " , that they " cannot enter in

> themselves and prevent others " (Bible).These " priestly caste " are

> called " blind " , because, true to fundamentalism, they close their

> eyes to the Truth found in the essence of all religions. They often

> even consider non-Pentecostal branches of Christianity not to have

> the full " gospel truth " . They believe that they are the only ones

to

> have the " full gospel " because they believe that they are able to

> give everyone the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

> The real Baptism of the Holy Spirit is felt as a Cool Breeze, which

> was felt on the Day of Pentecost when the disciples felt the wind

> In addition to " bringing to remembrance " the old Truths, Sri Mataji

> has also " enlightened " and " explained " a lot. This includes the

> teachings of all the Incarnations and Prophets. She also fulfills

> the prophecy of the Last Judgment and the Resurrection and gives us

> a positive message that we can " evolve " or " ascend " to become our

> Spirt and avoid thereby be " saved " from the calamities happening

> around us today all over the world.

> In Pentecostalism, though, they think that they have the

> exclusive " outpouring of the Holy Spirit " and that no one is going

> to be " saved " except the Fundamentalist Pentecostal Christians

>

> Another thing is that Fundamentalist Christians in general all

study

> their Bibles very thoroughly. They will have a Bible Verse to back

> up everything they say. Unfortunately, the ministers however, tell

> them how to " interpret " the Scriptures, depending on

their " dogmas " .

> These " interpretations " are often very wrong. Were a person like

> yourself, Kyyan, to study the Bible and not be " influenced " by

> these " interpretations " and " dogmas " , you would have a much better

> chance to find the real Truth. You would be surprised at what you

> find in the Bible. There is a lot of depth there.

> Kyyan, you say that your mother has never met God. The reason you

> can say this, I believe, is that you sense that this " merry-go-

> round " is all an " outward " thing, and it is.

> The real Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a very " inner " experience

and

> makes you your own " guru " , " master " and " teacher " , rather than

> someone subject to all the " conditionings " imposed by the churches.

> Fundamentalist Christians do not believe in the unity of the Truth

> of Jesus, Mohammed, Abraham, Moses, Confucius, Socrates, Plato,

Guru

> Nanak and others, so they are dividing the Truth. However, Truth is

> One.

>

> Semira;It was really disturbing me that each religion insisted

that

> they were right and that only their followers would be saved. All

> the others were said to be on Paths of Destruction. I couldn't

> understand how this could possibly be right. Now I have seen that

> the real message in all scriptures is not about dividing the

Truth,

> but about uniting it. Obscured underneath all the man-imposed

> restrictions and conditioning of each separate religion is the

same

> shining Truth of the Spirit.

> Best regards, Semira