Well what is the soul and what is the spirit?

[Guest guest]

I am confused. IS the soul the personality and/or the ego, and is

the soul seperate from the pirit, or the REAL you, of the ame thing?

I read a radio interview (transcript) that occured in 1992 on a hong

kong radio station where Shri Mtaji briefly touchedn this as well:

 

 

Interviewer: Is it like finding what one can, or what people have

loosely described as the Soul inside one ?

 

Shri Mataji: Yes, but they're quite confused people. They don't know

what is Soul, what is Spirit. But these are all precise things. Soul

is the thing which is not only Spirit but is the body, the

personality. Except for the element of earth in it. We are made of

five elements out of which the element of earth drops out; then you

become the Soul, because you cannot be seen but you exist in another

plane.

 

SO whatis the difference between the soul and the spirit or the real

you?

 

Kyyan

shriadishakti , " kriptodanny "

<kriptodanny> wrote:

>

> " Shri Mataji:

> Jivatma is the soul but Atma is the Spirit.

>

> Gregoire: So Jivatma is the Spirit but individualized, belonging

> to one person?

>

> Shri Mataji:

> No, no! Jivatma is the soul. Means with these five elements. And

> these five elements give you your own identity, your own character,

> your own particularities etc. These five elements; the way they are

> placed in you. That's the causal element, the causal of the

elements

> that are within you. Then these causals act on the chakras and

> through the chakras these causals act on the other ...on the

grosser

> side. So from the subtle to the subtler to the ...you can say the

> subtlest. The subtlest we can say is the Spirit, supposing. Then

the

> subtler is the soul. And the subtle you have the chakras. And the

> gross is the body. "

>

> Volterra, Italy. July 25,1986

> .............................................................

> The Atma is eternal..is was not created,but the soul was...The

soul is

> what gives us individuality.Can the soul be lost?What does it mean

to

> lose your soul?

> These are the questions...,,To be or not to be,that is the

> question,,(Hamlet)

> The same question asked by the millions,year after year,life after

> life...And when the answer arrives,will they sacrifice 10 minutes

for

> the morning meditation?..Maybe a new ,,30 seconds only,and you are

> saved,, yoga has to be revealed to the lazy,so they might make

it..but

> I begin to doubt they will be willing to sacrifice the precious

> time...oh,well,maybe next life then.

> danny

[Guest guest]

Dear Kyyan,

 

I want to talk about the " spirit. " However, right now I think you

are getting very involved in your " conditionings " of what you have

been brought up with.

 

The best way to start to overcome these " conditionings " Kyyan is to

get your " spiritual awakening " . I was never really successful at

working on my past " conditionings " until i had my self-realization.

A person gets so much help when they get their " connection " you see.

 

You won't understand what your " spirit " is until you get your self-

realization " and start to meditate; " go within " because it is the

subtlest part of yourself.

 

In order to do this you need to go beyond the never-ending circle of

intellectualizing in order to " experience " your spirit, do you

realize that?

 

In other words, you need to go from the Agnya Chakra, where

your " thoughts " come from, to the Sahasrara Chakra, where you

get " thoughtless awareness " or " awareness " without " thoughts " . This

awareness is the experience of your Spirit, you see!

 

The way i could explain it is to say that your " spirit " is sort

of " asleep " in your heart until you get your self-realization at

which point it then " awakens " and becomes " dynamic " . That's why this

is called " spiritual awakening " . Asleep; then awake!

 

Now, when you get your " connection " , you will have the ability to

first of all " see " what these " conditionings " are and then to " de-

condition " them over time. You will become a much happier person and

will start becoming the " personality " you really want to be; loving,

peaceful, happy, joyous, satisfied, etc. This process takes time and

it happens step by step but as we take each step we get closer to

what we really are; the real Self which is the Spirit; not the old

self with all the " baggage " hanging on to us and " dragging " us down.

 

Then as you " meditate " and " pray " and " talk " to Shri Mataji, just

like a Mother, She will help you; you can talk to her about

anything. She will reveal the " pure knowledge " of your Spirit to

you. It is knowledge you cannot get from books and it is " deep,

inner " knowledge.

 

Violet

 

In shriadishakti , " v_koa " <v_koa> wrote:

>

> I am confused. IS the soul the personality and/or the ego, and is

> the soul seperate from the pirit, or the REAL you, of the ame

thing?

> I read a radio interview (transcript) that occured in 1992 on a

hong

> kong radio station where Shri Mtaji briefly touchedn this as well:

>

>

> Interviewer: Is it like finding what one can, or what people have

> loosely described as the Soul inside one ?

>

> Shri Mataji: Yes, but they're quite confused people. They don't

know

> what is Soul, what is Spirit. But these are all precise things.

Soul

> is the thing which is not only Spirit but is the body, the

> personality. Except for the element of earth in it. We are made of

> five elements out of which the element of earth drops out; then

you

> become the Soul, because you cannot be seen but you exist in

another

> plane.

>

> SO whatis the difference between the soul and the spirit or the

real

> you?

>

> Kyyan

> shriadishakti , " kriptodanny "

> <kriptodanny> wrote:

> >

> > " Shri Mataji:

> > Jivatma is the soul but Atma is the Spirit.

> >

> > Gregoire: So Jivatma is the Spirit but individualized, belonging

> > to one person?

> >

> > Shri Mataji:

> > No, no! Jivatma is the soul. Means with these five elements. And

> > these five elements give you your own identity, your own

character,

> > your own particularities etc. These five elements; the way they

are

> > placed in you. That's the causal element, the causal of the

> elements

> > that are within you. Then these causals act on the chakras and

> > through the chakras these causals act on the other ...on the

> grosser

> > side. So from the subtle to the subtler to the ...you can say the

> > subtlest. The subtlest we can say is the Spirit, supposing. Then

> the

> > subtler is the soul. And the subtle you have the chakras. And the

> > gross is the body. "

> >

> > Volterra, Italy. July 25,1986

> > .............................................................

> > The Atma is eternal..is was not created,but the soul was...The

> soul is

> > what gives us individuality.Can the soul be lost?What does it

mean

> to

> > lose your soul?

> > These are the questions...,,To be or not to be,that is the

> > question,,(Hamlet)

> > The same question asked by the millions,year after year,life

after

> > life...And when the answer arrives,will they sacrifice 10

minutes

> for

> > the morning meditation?..Maybe a new ,,30 seconds only,and you

are

> > saved,, yoga has to be revealed to the lazy,so they might make

> it..but

> > I begin to doubt they will be willing to sacrifice the precious

> > time...oh,well,maybe next life then.

> > danny