Violet, you are right

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Violet,

 

I think you are right. I think that i am getting caught up in such

things and that really asking questions of this sort is really not

condusive to any progress in anyway, but on the contrary, just

getting me wrapped up in things that ultimately i am tring to

escape. I also think that you are right and i should go out and ge

my spiritual awakening, get balanced and healed,and then revisit any

question ofthis kind. hank you for our time and response of course

and i am going to do just that.

 

Kyyan

 

 

shriadishakti , " violet_tubb " <vtubb@b...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Kyyan,

>

> I want to talk about the " spirit. " However, right now I think you

> are getting very involved in your " conditionings " of what you have

> been brought up with.

>

> The best way to start to overcome these " conditionings " Kyyan is

to

> get your " spiritual awakening " . I was never really successful at

> working on my past " conditionings " until i had my self-

realization.

> A person gets so much help when they get their " connection " you

see.

>

> You won't understand what your " spirit " is until you get your self-

> realization " and start to meditate; " go within " because it is the

> subtlest part of yourself.

>

> In order to do this you need to go beyond the never-ending circle

of

> intellectualizing in order to " experience " your spirit, do you

> realize that?

>

> In other words, you need to go from the Agnya Chakra, where

> your " thoughts " come from, to the Sahasrara Chakra, where you

> get " thoughtless awareness " or " awareness " without " thoughts " .

This

> awareness is the experience of your Spirit, you see!

>

> The way i could explain it is to say that your " spirit " is sort

> of " asleep " in your heart until you get your self-realization at

> which point it then " awakens " and becomes " dynamic " . That's why

this

> is called " spiritual awakening " . Asleep; then awake!

>

> Now, when you get your " connection " , you will have the ability to

> first of all " see " what these " conditionings " are and then to " de-

> condition " them over time. You will become a much happier person

and

> will start becoming the " personality " you really want to be;

loving,

> peaceful, happy, joyous, satisfied, etc. This process takes time

and

> it happens step by step but as we take each step we get closer to

> what we really are; the real Self which is the Spirit; not the old

> self with all the " baggage " hanging on to us and " dragging " us

down.

>

> Then as you " meditate " and " pray " and " talk " to Shri Mataji, just

> like a Mother, She will help you; you can talk to her about

> anything. She will reveal the " pure knowledge " of your Spirit to

> you. It is knowledge you cannot get from books and it is " deep,

> inner " knowledge.

>

> Violet

>

> In shriadishakti , " v_koa " <v_koa> wrote:

> >

> > I am confused. IS the soul the personality and/or the ego, and

is

> > the soul seperate from the pirit, or the REAL you, of the ame

> thing?

> > I read a radio interview (transcript) that occured in 1992 on a

> hong

> > kong radio station where Shri Mtaji briefly touchedn this as

well:

> >

> >

> > Interviewer: Is it like finding what one can, or what people

have

> > loosely described as the Soul inside one ?

> >

> > Shri Mataji: Yes, but they're quite confused people. They don't

> know

> > what is Soul, what is Spirit. But these are all precise things.

> Soul

> > is the thing which is not only Spirit but is the body, the

> > personality. Except for the element of earth in it. We are made

of

> > five elements out of which the element of earth drops out; then

> you

> > become the Soul, because you cannot be seen but you exist in

> another

> > plane.

> >

> > SO whatis the difference between the soul and the spirit or the

> real

> > you?

> >

> > Kyyan

> > shriadishakti , " kriptodanny "

> > <kriptodanny> wrote:

> > >

> > > " Shri Mataji:

> > > Jivatma is the soul but Atma is the Spirit.

> > >

> > > Gregoire: So Jivatma is the Spirit but individualized,

belonging

> > > to one person?

> > >

> > > Shri Mataji:

> > > No, no! Jivatma is the soul. Means with these five elements.

And

> > > these five elements give you your own identity, your own

> character,

> > > your own particularities etc. These five elements; the way

they

> are

> > > placed in you. That's the causal element, the causal of the

> > elements

> > > that are within you. Then these causals act on the chakras and

> > > through the chakras these causals act on the other ...on the

> > grosser

> > > side. So from the subtle to the subtler to the ...you can say

the

> > > subtlest. The subtlest we can say is the Spirit, supposing.

Then

> > the

> > > subtler is the soul. And the subtle you have the chakras. And

the

> > > gross is the body. "

> > >

> > > Volterra, Italy. July 25,1986

> > > .............................................................

> > > The Atma is eternal..is was not created,but the soul was...The

> > soul is

> > > what gives us individuality.Can the soul be lost?What does it

> mean

> > to

> > > lose your soul?

> > > These are the questions...,,To be or not to be,that is the

> > > question,,(Hamlet)

> > > The same question asked by the millions,year after year,life

> after

> > > life...And when the answer arrives,will they sacrifice 10

> minutes

> > for

> > > the morning meditation?..Maybe a new ,,30 seconds only,and you

> are

> > > saved,, yoga has to be revealed to the lazy,so they might make

> > it..but

> > > I begin to doubt they will be willing to sacrifice the precious

> > > time...oh,well,maybe next life then.

> > > danny