Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Hello Jai Shri Mataji First of all Dont write what you have not seen. 2ndly Dont over exagerate Nothing of the sort happened as you describe. Actually the tent fell down sideways due to improper fitting. The sys present over there prevented the tent to fall down completely and pushed and put it place. We sys find anything unusual a miracle. Last puja, one sy told me that he wanted to show me miracle photos. He showed me photographs. All photographs had colourful streaks of light. He told me it is a miracle. I being a photographer realised his camera had a problem. The back door of the camera would not fit properly and there was a light leak in the camera causing all the photographs to show colourful light in the same place in all the photographs. One should be rational and with an open mind. yes Miracles do happen in our lives all the time in Sahaja yoga. But they are of different kind. Also everything we dont understand is not a miracle. Once you know the working, then it is not a miracle. Like they say in hindi, Band Muthi lakh ki, Khul gai to Khak ki. Meaning a closed fist attracts attention and once it is opened and you know the contents inside, it looses its charm. So let us remain in balance and stop claiming each and everything at a slightest hint that it is a miracle. Another instance One sy told me that when he cut papaya fruit, there was a 1 inch golden idol of Shri Ganesh. He told me to come and take photograph so that I could give in Bharat Vidhata, Sahaj Newspaper. I asked him whether he meant that the fruit has taken a shape of a Ganesh and looks golden in colour, He said NO it is actual Gold. Now can anyone digest such foolishness. I told him why not call the press conference so that the world knows such a miracle. And if at all it is how do you attribute to Sahaj. So dear brothers and sisters Try to come in balance and think for yourself and check vibrations to judge for yourself Jai Shri Mataji anil kumar <hello_betu wrote: Dear All, Jai Shri MatajiThough I was not there, in Pune, but one of mine Sahaj Yogi friend, who was there, in Pune to attend Shiv Puja, conveyed this to me what happened on 13th March 2005, 2 PM.""During This Year's Shiv Puja, in Pune, on 13 th of March 2005, at day time, around 2 PM, Sahaj Yogies were taking rest in Sadashiv Tent. This Sadashiv Tent has a huge structure, made of bamboos, covering clothes and the tent has a spread of around 2 Acre in area. This Tent like structure has a staying capacity for about 10000 Sahaj Yogies.By that time, so many Sahaj Yogies was present there, some were taking rest, some were sleeping and some were gossiping / chatting with each other. Suddenly, a miracle happened. Sahaj Yogies, who were awake, saw the huge tent like structure, going in air towards sky. The complete structure, with all fittings, electric wiring, fixed bamboos, clothes etc etc gone above in the sky, up to a height of about 35-40 feet, stayed there for 90 to 120 seconds and then came down to earth and again fixed at its place, like nothing happened. The scene was something like that someone has made a Huge Tent in the sky. During this incident, there was some restlessness out of fear amongst Sahaj Yogies, who were seeing that, they tried to leave the place, but no one injured and all remained safe. This is miraculous that all bamboos, with which Tent was made, left earth, gone up in the sky, and then returned back exactly to their respective holes.Amazing! A Chamatkaar!""Jai Shri MatajiAnil Regards,Mahesh Khatri http://www.geocities.com/maheshkhatri/Maheshkhatri.html www.shalstudios.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 , anil kanhaua <hello_betu> wrote: > > Dear All > > Jai Shri Mataji > > Yeah, I just do not want to react and It is true that I was not a witness to what happened there, in Pune, on 13th March, but I have full faith and confidence over to fellow Sahaj Yogis who conveyed me details of the incident. After reading Mahesh's post, I contacted one of the witness and collected details. It is also true, Mahesh said it rightly, that I exaggerated it a bit. But, after discussion, it was confirmed to me that such miraculous incident happened there and around 300 Sahaj Yogis who were present there, saw that. It is again confirmed to me that the MIDDLE PORTION of the Tent, made of about 40 bamboos, with all fittings, electric wiring, clothes etc etc gone up in the sky, stayed there for some time and then came down to earth and again fixed at its place, like nothing happened. Due to this incident, some restlessness noticed amongst Sahaj Yogis and a Rescue team came there and did some minor repairing. It is also true that as the time of Puja was coming nearer so > matter was not discussed much there. And of course, the incident was of such type that anybody who was there, but couldn't see what happened, just ignored it out of disbelief. I have confirmation of this incident from a Sahaj Yogi of a different place who could saw all this and both these Sahaj Yogis do not know each other, but both know me and both told me same thing. According to them, that was really a Miracle. In their own versions, they conveyed that words just cannot describe what they saw there. > > > > Best Regards ! > > Anil > If what you have written again (above) Anil is true then it is hardly any different from the first narration - i.e., you are not guilty of exaggeration. It is just that Mahesh's source told him the tent fell while both your friends saw it being suspended in the air. Mahesh is actually saying that you exaggerated a fallen tent into " the MIDDLE PORTION of the Tent, made of about 40 bamboos, with all fittings, electric wiring, clothes etc etc gone up in the sky, stayed there for some time and then came down to earth and again fixed at its place, like nothing happened. " Maybe we need more witnesses and confirm who is telling the truth. If the exaggeration (of Mahesh) turns to be true then we indeed have a miracle (of Anil and his friends). jagbir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Dear Anil, You write that " In their own version, they conveyed that words just cannot describe what they saw there. " That is how mystical experiences are... a blending of more " spiritual dimensions " into the more " earthly dimension. " What then is seen can be " eye-blinkingly unbelievable " and people might shake their heads and say they are " seeing things " . They may think that what they see is an " illusion " or " fantasy " and not what is a " reality " . When a mystical experience or miracle happens, it can " take ones breath away " or " startle " a person. In the Bible, for example when the angels appear to a person, they are often " startled " or " frightened " . This is because people in their ordinary lives do not often encounter mystical experiences and miracles in an " obvious " way. However, when it happens in an " obvious " way, in a " collective " situation and a " number " of witnesses, as sounds in this story, we need to take heed. There is a greater reality than our " physical reality " and Shri Mataji has come to raise our understanding of " spiritual reality. " The " spiritual " reality that Shri Mataji has come to teach us is not just knowledge of the Subtle System. That is just a beginning. Her Holiness has told us to expect " wonders " and " miracles " and that the Deities and Angels and Ganas are creating these to confirm Her Message to Humanity of the Last Judgment and Resurrection. We are living in " special " times and can expect " unusual " occurrences to happen. What about the occurrence of when we will all be " changed in the Twinkling of an eye at the Last Trump " ?! As prophesied by the Bible and in the Koran as well. Many people will also be " incredulous " at this occurence when it happens. However, when this occurence happens, everyone will finally see what was the real " illusion " and what is the true " reality " . Everyone's eyes will be " opened " to see the true " spiritual reality " of their condition. All these signs and wonders are becoming more " obvious " in order to give a warning and a " wake-up " call to all of humanity. These " signs " and " wonders " are not there just for SY's to revel in them but to be shared with everyone. It would be beneficial if the two people who experienced this unusual happening, would put into words what they experienced, for the record, for all of humanity. The fact that they do not know each other, makes it even more credible. Miracles, signs and wonders have been predicted in the Bible, Koran, and other Holy Books to occur at this time and humanity at this time needs to open their " spiritual eyes " and " spiritual ears " to " see " and " hear " what is happening at this time of Last Judgment and Resurrection. This is so that they can avoid the coming calamities and become part of God's Kingdom. This is the reason why God is intervening in our affairs in a great way. We just have to look around at all the events occuring in the world. Violet , anil kanhaua <hello_betu> wrote: > > Dear All > > > > Jai Shri Mataji > > > > Yeah, I just do not want to react and It is true that I was not a witness to what happened there, in Pune, on 13th March, but I have full faith and confidence over to fellow Sahaj Yogis who conveyed me details of the incident. After reading Mahesh's post, I contacted one of the witness and collected details. It is also true, Mahesh said it rightly, that I exaggerated it a bit. But, after discussion, it was confirmed to me that such miraculous incident happened there and around 300 Sahaj Yogis who were present there, saw that. It is again confirmed to me that the MIDDLE PORTION of the Tent, made of about 40 bamboos, with all fittings, electric wiring, clothes etc etc gone up in the sky, stayed there for some time and then came down to earth and again fixed at its place, like nothing happened. Due to this incident, some restlessness noticed amongst Sahaj Yogis and a Rescue team came there and did some minor repairing. It is also true that as the time of Puja was coming nearer so > matter was not discussed much there. And of course, the incident was of such type that anybody who was there, but couldn't see what happened, just ignored it out of disbelief. I have confirmation of this incident from a Sahaj Yogi of a different place who could saw all this and both these Sahaj Yogis do not know each other, but both know me and both told me same thing. According to them, that was really a Miracle. In their own versions, they conveyed that words just cannot describe what they saw there. > > > > Best Regards ! > > Anil > > > mahesh khatri <maheshkhatri> wrote:Hello Jai Shri Mataji > > First of all > Dont write what you have not seen. > 2ndly Dont over exagerate > Nothing of the sort happened as you describe. > > Actually the tent fell down sideways due to improper fitting. The sys present over there > prevented the tent to fall down completely and pushed and put it place. > > We sys find anything unusual a miracle. Last puja, one sy told me that he wanted to show me miracle photos. He showed me photographs. All photographs had colourful streaks of light. > He told me it is a miracle. I being a photographer realised his camera had a problem. The back door of the camera would not fit properly and there was a light leak in the camera causing all the photographs to show colourful light in the same place in all the photographs. > > One should be rational and with an open mind. yes Miracles do happen in our lives all the time in Sahaja yoga. But they are of different kind. > Also everything we dont understand is not a miracle. Once you know the working, then it is not a miracle. Like they say in hindi, Band Muthi lakh ki, Khul gai to Khak ki. Meaning a closed fist attracts attention and once it is opened and you know the contents inside, it looses its charm. > So let us remain in balance and stop claiming each and everything at a slightest hint that it is a miracle. > Another instance > One sy told me that when he cut papaya fruit, there was a 1 inch golden idol of Shri Ganesh. > He told me to come and take photograph so that I could give in Bharat Vidhata, Sahaj Newspaper. > I asked him whether he meant that the fruit has taken a shape of a Ganesh and looks golden in colour, He said NO it is actual Gold. > Now can anyone digest such foolishness. I told him why not call the press conference so that the world knows such a miracle. And if at all it is how do you attribute to Sahaj. > > So dear brothers and sisters > Try to come in balance and think for yourself and check vibrations to judge for yourself > > Jai Shri Mataji > > > > > > anil kumar <hello_betu> wrote: > > Dear All, > Jai Shri Mataji > Though I was not there, in Pune, but one of mine Sahaj Yogi friend, > who was there, in Pune to attend Shiv Puja, conveyed this to me what > happened on 13th March 2005, 2 PM. > > " " During This Year's Shiv Puja, in Pune, on 13 th of March 2005, at > day time, around 2 PM, Sahaj Yogies were taking rest in > Sadashiv Tent. This Sadashiv Tent has a huge structure, made of > bamboos, covering clothes and the tent has a spread of around 2 Acre > in area. This Tent like structure has a staying capacity for about > 10000 Sahaj Yogies. > > By that time, so many Sahaj Yogies was present there, some were > taking rest, some were sleeping and some were gossiping / chatting > with each other. > > Suddenly, a miracle happened. Sahaj Yogies, who were awake, saw the > huge tent like structure, going in air towards sky. The complete > structure, with all fittings, electric wiring, fixed bamboos, > clothes etc etc gone above in the sky, up to a height of about 35- > 40 feet, stayed there for 90 to 120 seconds and then came down to > earth and again fixed at its place, like nothing happened. The scene > was something like that someone has made a Huge Tent in the sky. > During this incident, there was some restlessness out of fear > amongst Sahaj Yogies, who were seeing that, they tried to leave the > place, but no one injured and all remained safe. This is miraculous > that all bamboos, with which Tent was made, left earth, gone up in > the sky, and then returned back exactly to their respective holes. > Amazing! A Chamatkaar! " " > > Jai Shri Mataji > > Anil > Regards, > > Mahesh Khatri > http://www.geocities.com/maheshkhatri/Maheshkhatri.html > www.shalstudios.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Dear Jagbir, My husband says re any report that if two stories are " word for word " identical, then the story is likely untrue. If the language used differs between two people, but hits the same high points, then the report is probably more credible. Violet - " jagbir singh " <adishakti_org Wednesday, March 16, 2005 1:03 PM Re: Miracle In Pune : Nothng of the sort > > > , anil kanhaua > <hello_betu> wrote: >> >> Dear All >> >> Jai Shri Mataji >> >> Yeah, I just do not want to react and It is true that I was not a > witness to what happened there, in Pune, on 13th March, but I have > full faith and confidence over to fellow Sahaj Yogis who conveyed me > details of the incident. After reading Mahesh's post, I contacted > one of the witness and collected details. It is also true, Mahesh said > it rightly, that I exaggerated it a bit. But, after discussion, it was > confirmed to me that such miraculous incident happened there and > around 300 Sahaj Yogis who were present there, saw that. It is again > confirmed to me that the MIDDLE PORTION of the Tent, made of about 40 > bamboos, with all fittings, electric wiring, clothes etc etc gone up > in the sky, stayed there for some time and then came down to earth and > again fixed at its place, like nothing happened. Due to this incident, > some restlessness noticed amongst Sahaj Yogis and a Rescue team came > there and did some minor repairing. It is also true that as the time > of Puja was coming nearer so >> matter was not discussed much there. And of course, the incident > was of such type that anybody who was there, but couldn't see what > happened, just ignored it out of disbelief. I have confirmation of > this incident from a Sahaj Yogi of a different place who could saw all > this and both these Sahaj Yogis do not know each other, but both know > me and both told me same thing. According to them, that was really a > Miracle. In their own versions, they conveyed that words just cannot > describe what they saw there. >> >> >> >> Best Regards ! >> >> Anil >> > > If what you have written again (above) Anil is true then it is hardly > any different from the first narration - i.e., you are not guilty of > exaggeration. It is just that Mahesh's source told him the tent fell > while both your friends saw it being suspended in the air. Mahesh is > actually saying that you exaggerated a fallen tent into " the MIDDLE > PORTION of the Tent, made of about 40 bamboos, with all fittings, > electric wiring, clothes etc etc gone up in the sky, stayed there for > some time and then came down to earth and again fixed at its place, > like nothing happened. " > > Maybe we need more witnesses and confirm who is telling the truth. If > the exaggeration (of Mahesh) turns to be true then we indeed have a > miracle (of Anil and his friends). > > jagbir > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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